Is this price right?

[Peter etg]

Once again, i need your thoughts about a possible buy.
Seller wants 37300 for it.
Is the price ok? It is a 2004 w not to many miles...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte...eName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4567672131&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1)

If i buy this one, i would also try to find a few items to add on.
About how much would the following accesories cost used? :
- Hard cargocarrier.
- Two loop brushguard
- Lightbar w lights



thanks
Peter

[Peter etg]

Once again, i need your thoughts about a possible buy.
Seller wants 37300 for it.
Is the price ok? It is a 2004 w not to many miles...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte...eName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4567672131&ssPageName= ADME:B:EF:US:1)

If i buy this one, i would also try to find a few items to add on.
About how much would the following accesories cost used? :
- Hard cargocarrier.
- Two loop brushguard
- Lightbar w lights



thanks
Peter

[RMST]

Offer him 40

[Peter etg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RMST:
Offer him 40 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You´re in the wrong place.
I´ll help you out. Here´s where you can post
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5106011751/m/4231096631

[wilfred]

I am assuming it must be much higher import duties for new vehicles going into Sweden. Otherwise, brand new H2 are selling for not too much more money. Are you aware of the current GM employee discount program? I just went on HUMMER site and both the SUV & SUT are listing at $49,718. And I am sure you can still negotiate a little more. My understanding is GM are paying the dealers 5% of original msrp under this program plus there is a $1,000 incentive. So depending on how hungry/desperate the dealership is, knocking another $3,000 off is possible.

[aggiehummer...er]

If any of the dealers mess with GM Employee Pricing, they put their franchise at risk.

[Peter etg]

yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
I think the best price for a new base 2005 SUV i have been offered is something like 45500.
I thought 37300 for this -04 was ok?

thanks
peter

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time...

[Peter etg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes i know. Brokers and stuff.

[wilfred]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
I think the best price for a new base 2005 SUV i have been offered is something like 45500.
I thought 37300 for this -04 was ok?

thanks
peter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have never heard of that. As a matter of fact, a friend of mine has been exporting H1 & H2 to China for the past years and just last month he exported a H3 as well. And I know he buys from various dealerships. Fyi, there are hundreds of H1 & H2 running all over China and all of them are brought in the same way because GM does not sell HUMMER in China yet. (Rumors said they will soon.)

[wilfred]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto

[Peter etg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto? You just said you never heard about it.

Any new american produced car needs to be registrated on a valid american address.
Ofcourse there are brokers that one can use.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto? You just said you never heard about it.

Any new american produced car needs to be registrated on a valid american address.
Ofcourse there are brokers that one can use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.autoexportusa.com/

[Peter etg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto? You just said you never heard about it.

Any new american produced car needs to be registrated on a valid american address.
Ofcourse there are brokers that one can use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.autoexportusa.com/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course it is possible to buy through companies like that.
But you can not buy straight from an authorized dealer.
And then of course theese brokers wants their piece of the cake.
For example they sell a 19000 miles -04 for US 47-48000 incl. the US 1200-1500 overseasshipping
Not the best deal i have seen.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto? You just said you never heard about it.

Any new american produced car needs to be registrated on a valid american address.
Ofcourse there are brokers that one can use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.autoexportusa.com/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course it is possible to buy through companies like that.
But you can not buy straight from an authorized dealer.
And then of course theese brokers wants their piece of the cake. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd still talk to them. If you are looking to get a used one, you'll get the security that if your truck would fall apart you have somebody responsible for it. If you are looking to get new, they might be able negotiate better deals than you. I calculated the difference to be aroud $8,400 is MSRP and I'm looking to get something off that.

We can buy H2's in Finland for 94,000€ ($113,000). To get H2 over here with taxes and all the other crap that will take time and money it would be about 87,000€ ($101,000) if I did it myself. So if I can negotiate about 4,000€ off the MRSP I think 4,500€ would be reasonable premium for the dealer to make the deal with me. And I didn't have to worry about anything other than walking the circle in my living room and wait http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Peter etg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto? You just said you never heard about it.

Any new american produced car needs to be registrated on a valid american address.
Ofcourse there are brokers that one can use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.autoexportusa.com/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course it is possible to buy through companies like that.
But you can not buy straight from an authorized dealer.
And then of course theese brokers wants their piece of the cake. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd still talk to them. If you are looking to get a used one, you'll get the security that if your truck would fall apart you have somebody responsible for it. If you are looking to get new, they might be able negotiate better deals than you. I calculated the difference to be aroud $8,400 is MSRP and I'm looking to get something off that.

We can buy H2's in Finland for 94,000€ ($113,000). To get H2 over here with taxes and all the other crap that will take time and money it would be about 87,000€ ($101,000) if I did it myself. So if I can negotiate about 4,000€ off the MRSP I think 4,500€ would be reasonable premium for the dealer to make the deal with me. And I didn't have to worry about anything other than walking the circle in my living room and wait http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WIN You might want to check this swedishsite
http://www.bytbil.com for an H2?

I know that you are thinking of buying a new H2 in the US. What kind of price are you hoping to get?

And congrats to the bronze!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
WIN You might want to check this swedishsite
http://www.bytbil.com for an H2?

I know that you are thinking of buying a new H2 in the US. What kind of price are you hoping to get?

And congrats to the bronze!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I bought a new one (Luxury + few other items) I believe I could be in about $52,000 in US (honestly I don't see any reason to buy one for like $44,000 when you can get new for $8,000 more). Once I import the H2 I will have about 18,000 euros worth of changes and tests I HAVE TO do by law, not forgetting all the shipping, insurances, some tricks that has to be done the get the vehicle bought in US. So not only the pricing of the vehicle but also all the work and testing that has to be done will be really stresful. So, what I'm thinking is that I'll let a company do it for me and pay a little premium for it. If the premium is around 4,000 euros (inc. taxes) I think it is worth it considering all the risks I have when doind it alone. We have a company in Finland that will get me a brand new for 94,000 euros (inc. taxes), no questions asked, all taken care of. For me, since it will be registered for my company the actual price will be much less though. All taxes are deductable. So the price for me will be no more that 70,000. I'm hoping to make the deal happen for 90k€ though.

Congrats to you, for.... I don't know how many medals, but I was there for most of them. Carolina was a excellent and pretty as usual http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and you're female high jumpers were in control all the way. Luckily I missed the worst part of the weather...

[wilfred]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wilfred:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
yes i´m aware of the gm employee pricing, the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad. Used cars are ok, not new.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ditto? You just said you never heard about it.

Any new american produced car needs to be registrated on a valid american address.
Ofcourse there are brokers that one can use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have never heard about: "the problem is that dealers are not allowed to sell brand new cars abroad"

ditto: "Dude, there is ways to get around that. Buy new and save your nerves and time... "

"Any new american produced car needs to be registrated on a valid american address." I don't know where you got that from but that is a false statement. Look, like I said, a friend of mine has been exporting these american produced cars for the past 3 or 4 years and every single one are bought from new HUMMER dealerships. All brand new, not used/pre-owned/demo. He buys all of them from out of state (any state but California) so he doesn't have to pay California sales tax and he does not register these vehicles in California because it is not going to be used in this state. He does have to proof to US Custom the title of ownership of the vehicle being exported. This is to prevent people sending stolen cars or cars that are not even paid-off overseas.

FWIW, this is a rather simple process on the US side. Most of the paperworks are done by the shipping company. Maybe the brokers are making it seems complicated and that's how they make their money? But to say all new american cars has to be registered here is simply not true.

Personally, I have helped friends abroad buying all kinds of cars (new, used, american, japanese, european). So I know what I am talking about http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And the fact I am not here to sell you anything and am here to offer you free advice, I suggest you to take it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Peter etg]

Strange. ALL dealers i talk to say they can´t sell to anyone outside of the US.
I´m sure there are people here working selling Hummers. Churhill? that can comment on this.

Anyway. I started this thread asking if 37300 was good for this -04 lux?

[Peter etg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I would think that given the amount of time you have been looking for an H2 you would be an expert on used and new H2 pricing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have not looked so much into -04´s and i also appriciate assistance from people that know more than i do.

[LoLo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
Strange. ALL dealers i talk to say they can´t sell to anyone outside of the US.
I´m sure there are people here working selling Hummers. Churhill? that can comment on this.

Anyway. I started this thread asking if 37300 was good for this -04 lux? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It sounds like a good price, assuming that there were no wrecks or problems and title is clean.

BTW, aggiehummer...er is a salesman at a Dallas, TX dealership... maybe he can answer your question. (he was the 5th post here, so I know he read this at one point... ) You might try to PM him...?

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LoLo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
Strange. ALL dealers i talk to say they can´t sell to anyone outside of the US.
I´m sure there are people here working selling Hummers. Churhill? that can comment on this.

Anyway. I started this thread asking if 37300 was good for this -04 lux? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It sounds like a good price, assuming that there were no wrecks or problems and title is clean.

BTW, aggiehummer...er is a salesman at a Dallas, TX dealership... maybe he can answer your question. (he was the 5th post here, so I know he read this at one point... ) You might try to PM him...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it is not somuch "all American" cars, but Hummers. GM has set rules for dealers, far as I know, so that they are not allowed to sell cars outside us. There are reasons for that. But it is not very hard to go around that, and it is not definately illegal. It's just a rule set by a manufacturer...

[aggiehummer...er]

I sell Hummers, and I cannot sell a new Hummer if I know it is going to be exported outside of the states, the vehicle must be titled to an address in the United States. GM keeps a tight reign on Hummer stores and makes sure that we're all in the car business, not the exporting business. A Hummer store in Detroit almost lost their franchise because of this, and countless other Hummer stores have been fined in the hundreds of thousands of dollars regarding this stuff. Like W1N and some others said, it's a GM thing.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by aggiehummer...er:
I sell Hummers, and I cannot sell a new Hummer if I know it is going to be exported outside of the states, the vehicle must be titled to an address in the United States. GM keeps a tight reign on Hummer stores and makes sure that we're all in the car business, not the exporting business. A Hummer store in Detroit almost lost their franchise because of this, and countless other Hummer stores have been fined in the hundreds of thousands of dollars regarding this stuff. Like W1N and some others said, it's a GM thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

aggiehummer...er, one question. Do you need SSN to buy a Hummer or is a valid address all you need for the paper work?

[aggiehummer...er]

You need a SSN or Tax ID number for the title requirements.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by aggiehummer...er:
You need a SSN or Tax ID number for the title requirements. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Basically what you have to do, is that have a contact to a company that will do it for you. They will be able to register it and then sell it as used. I don't think this will hurt the dealer.

Anyways I will get mine here in Finland from a local dealer that will buy one from US and then do all the mods that need to be done to make it leagal here in Finland.

Anyways, since you are dealer, can you answer one question I have. If I came to you as a customer wanting to buy H2, would you replase the spare back in cabin if requested and fix the bumber as it used to be? all this as part of the deal? I don't think it would be huge job to swith parts with a used H2 that has the plastic rear bumber cover (where the Hummer is written) and the new with the tire carrier out on the back.

Thanks!

[LoLo]

W1N...

There are still a handful of '05's that have the tire mounted inside.

Prior to January build models, they didn't have the standard outside mount. So, you may be able to save yourself -- and the dealership -- some trouble! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Peter etg]

Wilfred. I´m waiting for your comment regarding Hummerdealers allowed selling out of the country...

[wilfred]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
Wilfred. I´m waiting for your comment regarding Hummerdealers allowed selling out of the country... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said, I have never heard of such policy . And I have no reason to doubt what others are saying. But if I buy one out of state and have it truck here, i do not need to register the vehicle in that state as long as the vehicle will not be driven off the lot. This out of state dealership has done nothing violating this said policy. If I want to drive this vehicle anywhere in California, then I have to register it.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LoLo:
W1N...

There are still a handful of '05's that have the tire mounted inside.

Prior to January build models, they didn't have the standard outside mount. So, you may be able to save yourself -- and the dealership -- some trouble! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My purchase will be done around January 2006, so I dont think I want to 2005 on the first month of 06, if you know what I mean. Eventhough saving that trouble sounds very tempting... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[RMST]

The Swiss are *******s.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RMST:
The Swiss are *******s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Swiss??? What are you smoking today? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[MUH_HUM]

Ignore the troll...

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MUH_HUM:
Ignore the troll... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He probably got so confused he couldn't answer me http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif