This nonsense has got to stop... [Archive]

Jason

11-22-2003, 08:24 PM

To those involved in this recent mess, I am asking that you all try to forgive and forget. It has gotten out of hand and has become a huge detriment to me and more importantly the site and our community.

The bickering is nearly impossible to tolerate, but I am find myself in a difficult situation: cleaning up the mess vs. being accused of censorship. I prefer to stay out, as past "discussions" have mostly worked themselves out on their own.

This "discussion" is a bit different, as I have received more complaints about it than any other. It is time to drop it, no apologies need to be made, lets just move on and forget about the past.

To those who were not involved and were subject to the language and the images:

I apologize to you all. I will try to do a better job of keeping things focused on the H2 and the topics relating to it.

I realize that beefs between individuals will occur, but I ask that you take them private immediately and not subject others to your dirty laundry.

This is OUR community and I hope that everyone will look out for its best interests. We all have enough BS to deal with in our everyday lives; this should be one of our places to escape.

I appreciate your future cooperation and I appreciate everyone's input on all matters, good or bad.

Regards,
Jason

PS - I can be reached at any time to discuss any and all matters, my email box is always open - jrosoff@sprynet.com.

Jason

11-22-2003, 08:24 PM

Detonate

11-22-2003, 08:35 PM

Damn man. Isn't this what has been asked of us all along?

I mean seriously. There needs to be very clear line drawn in the sand.

If any of us singles out any of the others, ban them. No questions asked. Everyone will be clear as day on the rules, and no complaints or incidents should ever occur.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

Detonate

11-22-2003, 08:42 PM

Case and point. He can't even go the 5 minutes.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

Jason

11-22-2003, 08:42 PM

Detonate,

I deal with so much slack for banning anyone, no matter how solid I believe my reasons to be and prefer not to do it.

Rather, I am asking again for everyone to accept responsibility for themselves. If that can not be accomplished, maybe it would be better that I ask you to ban yourself (I am not referring to you literally here.)

Maybe you are right, definite lines in the sand should be drawn, but I prefer not to do it and get involved with a "you banned me, well he did this, so you need to ban him too" arguments.

Jason

Detonate

11-22-2003, 08:44 PM

That's why I'm saying forget everything in the past. Start fresh. That way there is no excuses.

You just saw how effective your speach was. I made absolutely no mention of anyone. Just trying to resolve this, and he busts out with the name calling.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

Detonate

11-22-2003, 08:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I realize that beefs between individuals will occur, but I ask that you take them private immediately and not subject others to your dirty laundry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post @ 04:35 PM
Your post @ 04:39 PM

Time elapsed < 5 minutes.

That was minutes you couldn't go without the name calling, after it was just asked again that it be cut out.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

argonaut

11-22-2003, 09:00 PM

Here is my take on this. I really agree with jason that all of these serious fights need to be kept private. I also really appreciate the fact that you try to stay out of most everything here. The one reason that i really love this site is that Jason lets threads go on and work themselves out. Unlike most mods out there, he isn't imposing his will on anybody. That is a very respectable quality, and has made this site my favorite place. Alec, I don't think Jason wants this to be a sterile H2 only site, I think he wants us to have fun, but aside from just making fun of each other, things build up and get out of hand like this detonate thing.

I don't think banning people is a solution to anything. In fact i think it is just childish to do. That is, unless somebody really becomes a detriment to the community and really makes this a bad place. Trolls that are offensive, people doing unauthorized sales pitches, etc. This fight was trending that way. I'm glad Jason put his foot down in the way he did. We all need to respect this and if we want to fight we need to do it in PMs.

Somebody suggested a "Steel cage match" area of the forum. that was actually a good idea. All of this type of crap and Troll threads and the like could be moved there. Thatway people who want a more sterile site can stay away from that area. Not a bad idea IMHO.

Regradless, Jason, you have a great website here. It is full of great H2 info, pics, videos, and stories. It also is a great place to socialize with newfound friends that share a passion for the H2. Congrats on running such a great forum, and once again I greatly respect/appreciate your hands off approach.

Detonate

11-22-2003, 09:03 PM

You such a douche bag, Alec. You think that just because you went to Moab everyone should bow down to you. That's why you threw that little hissy fit last night when things weren't going your way.

I love the little cry baby act you have going here. It suits you.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

DRTYFN

11-22-2003, 09:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I realize that beefs between individuals will occur, but I ask that you take them private immediately and not subject others to your dirty laundry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post @ 04:35 PM
Your post @ 04:39 PM

Time elapsed < 5 minutes.

That was minutes you couldn't go without the name calling, after it was just asked again that it be cut out.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jesus, do you ever know when to shut up?
You are without a doubt the single biggest hypocrite crybaby I've ever seen.

Detonate

11-22-2003, 09:06 PM

Hooray! More people to help me prove my point.

Drive that stake home.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

Grim_Smoker

11-22-2003, 09:09 PM

Hey I got an idea, why dont we wake up, go to work, come home, sit down and shut the **** up. I can understand people not getting along and fighting and what-not, but it really seems this whole issue is consuming you all.

This whole board filled with this bull****, and DRTYFN and I talking in PM's getting along. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

2003 Sunset Metalic Orange H2 - Breathless Stage 2B, HID's, Gobi Rack & Ladder.

2003 Millenium Yellow Z06

DRTYFN

11-22-2003, 09:24 PM

See Deto-nut,
Grim and I used to be at each others' throats all the time. We eventually got over it and now PM back and forth every now & then in a very civil manner. If we lived closer we'd probably go 4xing together.
It's mystifying how you can continue to beat your thick head against the wall.

Detonate

11-22-2003, 09:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
See Deto-nut,
Grim and I used to be at each others' throats all the time. We eventually got over it and now PM back and forth every now & then in a very civil manner. If we lived closer we'd probably go 4xing together.
It's mystifying how you can continue to beat your thick head against the wall.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I so want to be friends with you DF. The part where you start and end every paragraph you write to me with an insult totally does it for me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

argonaut

11-22-2003, 09:35 PM

DRTY messes with everybody, it's his personality. But most people realise it and get past it. All I'm saying is don't take everything against you personally and this will go away.

Grim_Smoker

11-22-2003, 09:51 PM

http://www.cartoons-cartoon.com/pictures/head_up_your_ass.jpg

2003 Sunset Metalic Orange H2 - Breathless Stage 2B, HID's, Gobi Rack & Ladder.

2003 Millenium Yellow Z06

HUMMERDOGG

11-22-2003, 09:58 PM

Grim Smoker-

That picture is disgusting. I want you to remove it now. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif:

-HUMMERDOGG

TROLL POACHER (I hunt trolls even if it ain't troll hunting season...)

TROLL TAXIDERMIST (For those of you who get to them before I can. I provide this service free of charge...)

argonaut

11-22-2003, 10:02 PM

I wonder if, when he removes his head, a stream of poop will shoot out into his mouth... gaaah! That poopy picture has warped my fragile little mind!!!!

DennisAJC

11-22-2003, 10:42 PM

AHHHHH! The good ole days.

I remember when Alec and I first locked horns....

We ended up sharing a bag of Doritos http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

argonaut

11-22-2003, 10:58 PM

Oh no, not the doritos lady... Blech!

argonaut

11-22-2003, 11:35 PM

LOl, go fix a stiff drink and jump into the hot tub. BTW, mine is at 104 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Patriot

11-22-2003, 11:52 PM

Will somebody please ban me so I don't have to listen to all you a**holes anymore?!?!? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

11-23-2003, 01:38 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
Will somebody please ban me so I don't have to listen to all you a**holes anymore?!?!? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, I'll help you out. Go stand in a doorway and turn to face the doorjam. Now firmly grasp the door jam with both hands. Quickly and vigorously smash your head into the doorjam until you have a massive subdermal hematoma on your forehead. And Voila!! You're banned. Oh... wait a second, that's not right. You're brain-damaged. oops, my bad. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Patriot

11-23-2003, 11:02 AM

DRTY,

I tried it...and the Dain Bramage worked!!!

Now, when I read the posts on here I see secret codes....you are all CIA spys secretly sending messages via these stupid, neck-biting, childish, low IQ posts!!

Oh...I also see dead-people...is that a side effect? or did I hit my head on the door jam TOO long?? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Frank Hewitt

11-23-2003, 06:33 PM

Jason,
First of all I'd like to tell everyone that this site is without question the best H2 site. I don't go anywhere else. The white-trash banter between some folks (and myself included on occasion, I admit) is sometimes entertaining, but has grown into a negative for many folks who visit the site, and probably really freaks newbies out. To maintain a professional and effectively informative site, it seems realistic that these 2 things be imposed here on this forum; 1) people who want nothing more than to bash others are personally should be contacted by you, Jason, via email, and given the chance to obstain from trailor trash bickering (and then monitored under your watchful eye) or face 1+ week suspensions from posts at this site and then follow up by blocking their posts for whatever said amount of time- 1 or 2 weeks if they continue. And 2) within your (Jason) own opinion, make a new forum for the trolls, weenies, and trailor trash in which once the bickering has proceeded beyond 2-4 reply posts, is placed into a new forum post. You could call it the Jerry Springer Forum. That way people looking for fights, or those who are just severely upset by their lack of .... shifter length.... could go after their favorite person to bicker with in the JSF (Jerry Springer Forum). These posts would no longer show up in the genereal H2 forum, which frankly, they don't belong to anyway, once people start to be childish idiots.
This seems to be quite simple, other than it would be more labor intense for you Jason. Please feel free to contact me if you want to argue these opinions at mountainbikr@hotmail.com . See how we can avoid forum arguements by giving our email address for further comments!!

gasman

MAC

11-23-2003, 07:23 PM

These sort of things have a way to work themselves out, always did and this one has. Jason's minimum management style works well. Being a Hummer site, not a Cadillac or Oldsmobile site, that is just part of the character and the rough edges come with a Hummer.

I causually mentioned to my wife yesterday, "there's an ugly fight at the Hummer forum". She said "don't they always?" Indeed, indeed, always. Maybe just higher volumn now and then.

Steve R

11-24-2003, 03:34 AM

I suppose I'll have to throw in my 2-cents here:

It's one thing to be clever, tease and have some rough fun.....but this stuff has well crossed the line and become embarrassing & disgusting.

I don't really know what Jim did to get on so many people's ****-list. He's always been a straight-shooter and an offroad enthusiast...the only thing I've ever noticed is that he (like many others here) tends to be a bit blatant and perhaps shares a bit more of his feeling/thoughts then some might care to hear.

I'm sure I must have missed some stuff...but still, you have to look at it over the long run: he's solid, a regular and didn't deserve to be burned as hard as he was.

My thought: respond to those you like and care about...ignore those you don't. Makes me wonder why MAC never responds to me anymore????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Last thought. I own my own company. When I meet with lawyers, business owners and other educated people I tend to be more formal and repsresent myself as an intellect with some education and a bit of class (you know....try to fool them). At the same time, I have to work with my workers and come down to a ghetto mantality where we talk like we're wanna-be rappers living in the hood. Bottom line: we are all capable of presenting ourselves as we see fit.

Over the last couple months I've watched the forum relax and mellow. Some of this is good and what Alec is talking about...we feel closer, talk more openly and give eachother some teasing. At the same time....we've also introduced some nasty elements that are rather distasteful...it's become like the Jeeper Forum. The sexual references have gone from "R" rated to hardcore & disgusting. We've completely departed from clever & witty to just nasty & disgusting. I don't have to elaborate....I think we all know darn well what I'm talking about.

Damn this horse is high! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MAC

11-24-2003, 03:47 AM

I always passionately respond to my fearless leader and I eagerly agree with my beloved and wise Supreme Commander, without any hesitation. I am indeed grateful that I am so fortunated to have you shine your benevolent rays on me and my fellow Hummer troopers. May you live forever and ever! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/chimp.gif http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/aircraft/PlaneF14.gif http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/aircraft/pigSflymed.gif

argonaut

11-24-2003, 03:56 AM

I think that Jason's request is all that is needed. If there is a fight, take it to a PM. Period. end of story. That is whhat the involved parties in this debacle have done, just as Jason requested. The funny thing is that you guys would be so surprised how mellow that PM is... weird. I mean there isn't a "tub girl" or anything.

My personal opinion is that some of you guys are a tad bit uptight if that stuff bothered you so much, but what the hell, you are still good people. We all share a passion for the Hummer here, and that is what this site is about. But it would really be dry if that is all we talked about. there was a long period between trolls a long time ago where all that was said was stuff about our trucks. you know what? It was mostly negative comments about our own rides, and there were comments back then about how crappy the forum had become and how negative everything was. Then trolls showed up and people got to bash them and things were better. be careful what you guys wish for.

Steve R

11-24-2003, 06:26 AM

Very cute MAC, looks like ya rubbed a few brain cells and came up with something clever. Or not.

We'll see what neurological pathways ya gave up when you try to talk tomorrow during that all important board meeting.....the one where you discuss the importance of trimming the hedges BEFORE blowing the (short) driveway?

- The ORIGINAL Bully

MAC

11-24-2003, 06:30 AM

If I remember it correctly, I had maybe less than 2-3 posts in Oct (Biz travel), 3-4 days no posts last week and many weeks, and have been at most only 0-1-2 posts a day for few months(too busy). Frankly don't know how it added up to 2,500. My guess they came from early months rapid fire posts as chat room conversation, we used to do that a lot, 4-5 people posted faster than you can read them.

As for sticking to Hummer ONLY.
1- What made us friends or enemies is not the Hummer stuff but non-Hummer bull****. That is the glue that kept us together.
2- 99% of the Hummer stuff have been said 100 times. I have been a good sport, never complain about reposts(most are), and I talked about the same old subjects dutifully.
3- If you are only interested in strictly Hummer talk, just don't click on other topics, or move on when you see non-Hummer BS. No need to not allow others to BS.

RasterMaster

11-25-2003, 05:12 AM

I don't read as much as I used to, so I missed most of the banter. But it does make things interesting from time to time. If arguments wouldn't get personal or taken as such, it could actually be quite entertaining. However, it's probably healthier to save your strength to vent on the trolls anyway.

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Zing

11-25-2003, 03:44 PM

I like Argo's idea or whoever came up with it. I think picking on each other and spirited conversations make this forum interesting. But when something gets overly offensive, the thread gets moved to a new area called the "steel cage" or the "children's forum". Jason decides which threads go there, it's his site. Problem solved. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ShaggyX

11-25-2003, 06:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Zazing:
spirited conversations <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I like that term. The next time I get yelled at for arguing, I am just going to say "I'm not arguing, I am just having a Spirited Conversasion".

What I dont understand is how you H2 people can be at eachother's throats, while a punk kid with an S10 can get by without being told off. You guys need to work on your priorities. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KenP

11-25-2003, 06:41 PM

Oh shut your pie hole....
How's that? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Smiley face added for effect...

Black Lingenfelter Lux

Buckeye Hummer

11-25-2003, 06:51 PM

Shaggy,

I thought I scared you away already. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Why don't you bring your s10 out here to run John Bull and a few other trails. I haven't used my winch yet so it would be nice to pull you around. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ShaggyX

11-25-2003, 07:30 PM

Buckeye, I am reminded of something a wiseman once said. "Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

If I am going to make a trip all the way out to Cali you better atleast find a trail that is worth my time. That is way too far for me to drive to go on one of the Kiddie trails that you frequent just to get your Pavement Pricess dirty. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif