Seat belt notification [Archive] - Hummer Forums by Elcova

H17

08-15-2005, 10:55 PM

Hello everyone -- I am new to these boards, and seriously considering purchasing a new H3 (although it's probably a few months off yet). This forum appears it will already answer most/many of my questions, but I have one question that I haven't found answered so far.

Although I wear my seat belt much of the time when driving, I do not wear it 100% of the time. My question is.. I've come across a few cars lately with really annoying seat belt notifications that continue for some time after starting the car -- something that distracts me to no end! Does the H3 have anything like this, or is it a more normal notification (a few beeps when you turn on the car, then nothing)? The new Jeep is the worst for this -- it starts over every time you hit a red light.

Although it seems like a simple manner of checking for myself on a test drive, the dealers out here will not allow you to not wear a seat belt on a test drive because of liability issues -- so it's easier to check on this forum than argue with a dealer on a test drive!

Thanks again!

H17

08-15-2005, 10:55 PM

bender

08-15-2005, 11:23 PM

wear your seatbelt 100% of the time

...problem solved

(or spend some time in the ICU with me and you will never take off your seatbelt again)

FROGGY69ER

08-15-2005, 11:57 PM

The seat belt chime will beep for a while, then it stops.If you put it in park, it starts over again. I asked the guys at the dealer if you can disable it, but they didn't know.

Sharkster

08-16-2005, 12:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The new Jeep is the worst for this -- it starts over every time you hit a red light. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope... the current Porsche generation (997 Carrera and 987 Boxster) are DEFINITELY the worst when it comes to this, because they simply go on continuously with a VERY LOUD BING-BING-BING-BING-BING-BING-... NON-STOP-FOREVER! until you buckle up.

Surferjo

08-16-2005, 12:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nope... the current Porsche generation (997 Carrera and 987 Boxster) are DEFINITELY the worst when it comes to this, because they simply go on continuously with a VERY LOUD BING-BING-BING-BING-BING-BING-... NON-STOP-FOREVER! until you buckle up </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My situation is even worse than that cause it continues even after you get out of the car, walking to the door, sitting out the couch, trying to go to sleep. Its called my wife.

hyperion78

08-16-2005, 01:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Surferjo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nope... the current Porsche generation (997 Carrera and 987 Boxster) are DEFINITELY the worst when it comes to this, because they simply go on continuously with a VERY LOUD BING-BING-BING-BING-BING-BING-... NON-STOP-FOREVER! until you buckle up </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My situation is even worse than that cause it continues even after you get out of the car, walking to the door, sitting out the couch, trying to go to sleep. Its called my wife. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFLMAO... hope your wife doesn't check on here.... or else it'll be the same when you try and mount her.

On the belt issue, my girls 05 focus does the whole DING DING DING DING constantnly annoying...

come to think of it so does the time by your gf's bed http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

First Hummer

08-16-2005, 09:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
The seat belt chime will beep for a while, then it stops.If you put it in park, it starts over again. I asked the guys at the dealer if you can disable it, but they didn't know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you disable the seatbelt warning chime and get in accident your insurance company wont be very happy.There have been lawsuits when that feature has been disabled so be careful.Besides most states require you have it on anyway.CYA is my credo COVER YOU ASS.

Sharkster

08-16-2005, 10:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Surferjo:
My situation is even worse than that cause it continues even after you get out of the car, walking to the door, sitting out the couch, trying to go to sleep. Its called my wife. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ROFL... Okay, you're right. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

H17

08-16-2005, 09:27 PM

Froggy -- how long would you say is "a while?" It definitely is an issue to me -- not only is it distracting, but I've found on other vehicles, if I learn to block out the beeping, I also find I've blocked out things like sirens and horns -- so I actually find the beeping a safety issue in itself!

H3Witch

08-16-2005, 09:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bender:
wear your seatbelt 100% of the time

...problem solved

(or spend some time in the ICU with me and you will never take off your seatbelt again) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree with Bender - wear it! No excuses - they are too easy to make. Just lost a friend one week ago who didn't have his on - throw out of car...lost a cousin 5 years ago - same thing no seat belt. What is it going to take to make people wake up? A little lack of comfort is a heck of a lot better than ending up in an ER room with a sheet over your face...I'm only 5'2" and I have yet to find a comfortable seat belt, but I still wear it.

H17

08-16-2005, 10:21 PM

Honestly folks, let's not turn this into a preaching session. I've heard all the factors into wearing seatbelts, I weigh the positives and negatives. If something happens to me, that's my issue. I have no kids, I won't be leaving any kids behind if I die as a result of my choice. All I want to know is whether the beeping is incessant or not on those occasions I do not wear the seatbelt.

Let's keep this on topic, okay? I know what's good for me and what isn't -- I know wearing a seatbelt 100% of the time is considered safest, but I also know that at certain times, as a larger person who doesn't fit all that well in seatbelts, the distraction seriously affects my driving. For the safety of my passengers, at those times, I do not wear my seatbelt. Some may agree with this policy of protecting my passengers, others may not. I don't really care -- all I want to do is keep it on topic.

Sorry, I promised myself I wouldn't reply to the distracting posts, but I feel this thread will turn into a seat belt debate if I don't say something.

H3Witch

08-16-2005, 10:30 PM

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifYou started this thread - but no more preaching from me...it seems the posters so far agree it's not a major issue - wear the belt or live with the sound.

H17

08-16-2005, 10:31 PM

That's fine if people don't consider it a major issue. But I do, and before I spend more money on a vehicle than I ever dreamed I would, I want to do my research. I've outlined why it is an issue to me, all I want is an answer.

FROGGY69ER

08-16-2005, 11:38 PM

Yeah, your right, H3Witch, he did start the post, but his question was about the seat belt chime, not the merits of seat belt use. I really find it offensive to see people preaching to adults. As far as the visiting the ER, I am sure plenty of us on this post have spent time in the ER, and know people who have lost there lives due to non use of seat belts. Actually, Last month, I was the first person on the scene of an ejected driver, and "worked " him until the medics arrived and he was pronounced dead. Extremely upsetting, but it is still our decision to wear or not wear. I am climbing off my soap box now, so relax, but please save your lectures for your kids.

H17, I think it goes off in about 10 minutes, but I may have just learned to block it out. I am positive that it does eventually go off, because if I put it in park and then start driving again, I do notice it. Hope this helps.

Hummer Guy

08-17-2005, 12:36 PM

I've never been 'on the scene' -- but I do know insurance costs go up w/ more deaths...I have only had one person ask me if its possible to turn off the chime. The answer is probably yes, but finding a person to do it may be hard...

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 01:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H17:
as a larger person who doesn't fit all that well in seatbelts, the distraction seriously affects my driving. For the safety of my passengers, at those times, I do not wear my seatbelt. Some may agree with this policy of protecting my passengers </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What kind of stupid statement is this???????

A seatbelt is too distracting and affects your driving?!?!?!?!?! BS. Move on, find another vehicle to pretend to want to buy, and as far as everyone else here that think it's "preaching." Your state either has a primary or secondary seat belt law, so, advocating anything BUT putting on the seatbelt is advocating breaking the law. Plus it's stupid.

Do the research. An accident is not always simply when your vehicle impacts another object and stops. Many accidents involve the vehicle ricocheting off another vehicle or object and an unrestrained driver will be hurled from the cockpit and will have no chance to bring the vehicle back under control. This is a common occurance and can needlessly involve other innocent vehicles, all because someone doesn't bother with a simple seatbelt.

Grow up and gain some responsibility!!

Georgemarc

08-17-2005, 01:12 PM

Go Paragon, well put

FROGGY69ER

08-17-2005, 02:43 PM

No Paragon, not well put. You must have supported Howard Dean, because if somenoe disagrees with you, just attack him. Sorry I did not list every state where seat belt use is mandatory. I wouldn't want to break the law. Are you kidding me? That is your response? Personal freedom and responsability go hand in hand, and it is something that is always hard to address legally. We constantly walk the line between legislating away personal freedom in order to protect "Joe public."We see this type of legislation everywere,ie. smoking, driving, drinking, speech, etc, and I am not saying it is a bad thing, but it is certanly not the litmus test for every argument. Lets be honest, the States were pressured into legislating seat belt laws, just like they where forced into lowering speed limits years ago. No seat belt law, loose highway funds! So if and when the laws are relaxed, like speed limits, what will your great argument be then. It is amazing to me, that the same people that have to defend there car buying decisions to the ill-informed are so quick to slam others when they think differently.

As far as his argument against wearing his seat belt, who cares. I don't always wear mine, and I don't have to give you a reason. It is my decision, and if I get a ticket, I will pay it and move on.

Now, I am sure all the "tuff guy" responses will start flying now, so I will ask all of you to grow up.

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 03:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
No Paragon, not well put. You must have supported Howard Dean, because if somenoe disagrees with you, just attack him. Sorry I did not list every state where seat belt use is mandatory. I wouldn't want to break the law. Are you kidding me? That is your response? Personal freedom and responsability go hand in hand, and it is something that is always hard to address legally. We constantly walk the line between legislating away personal freedom in order to protect "Joe public."We see this type of legislation everywere,ie. smoking, driving, drinking, speech, etc, and I am not saying it is a bad thing, but it is certanly not the litmus test for every argument. Lets be honest, the States were pressured into legislating seat belt laws, just like they where forced into lowering speed limits years ago. No seat belt law, loose highway funds! So if and when the laws are relaxed, like speed limits, what will your great argument be then. It is amazing to me, that the same people that have to defend there car buying decisions to the ill-informed are so quick to slam others when they think differently.

As far as his argument against wearing his seat belt, who cares. I don't always wear mine, and I don't have to give you a reason. It is my decision, and if I get a ticket, I will pay it and move on.

Now, I am sure all the "tuff guy" responses will start flying now, so I will ask all of you to grow up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>"Tuff guy??????" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Personal attack???? Even funnier? What does Howard Dean have anything to do with this? Exactly where did I say that "breaking the law" was the "litmus test" for the argument. The fact is, though, that you ARE breaking the law just the same as if you are driving your vehicle while over the legal limit for blood alchohol content. Another fact is that it is stupid and not only affects YOU as the driver but affects other drivers on the road because it can cause you to not maintain control of your vehicle. If you want to be stupid, fine. People are stupid every day. You are breaking the law and are being stupid with your own life, but are endangering the lives of others also, whether they are passengers or not. All because of a simple seat belt.

Where do you draw the line on personal rights? Is your personal right to drive while intoxicated beyond the legal limit not infringing too far? I know quite well that I have very little impairment past the legal BAC limit, but the law is the law. You see, some people ARE too dumb to know what's for their own good. Some laws that infringe on one's purported peronal rights is for the greater good.

As far as his argument about wearing a seat belt. Well, sport, he's the one posting the dumb crap here. If someone doesn't want a response, then either post something else or don't post anything at all.

h3\'er

08-17-2005, 03:41 PM

Ok, Ok
as to the original question.. All Chimes, Seatbelt, keys, door are generated by the radio. only way to disable them is remove the radio.

FROGGY69ER

08-17-2005, 04:27 PM

Sport!! Are u serious?

I wanted to stay out of these rediculous arguments, but I guess I got dragged in. First off, what is it that prevents "know it alls" like yourself from letting people have a discussion, without putting your two cents in? The subject was about the chime, not seat belt use.
As far as relating seat belt use to DUI, your an idiot, there is no comparison!! Stupid, well being stupid is trying to make an equivalent of the two for lack of an argument. How often are accidents caused by non-use, or an un-occupied vehicle hurting someone. The lack of seat belt is never the cause of the accident, like drinking or other impairments. I don't know, but I know it is not very high, if even an issue. Running the yellow light, rolling a stop sighn, exceeding speed limits, driving while tired(yes, this is against the law, although rarely enforced), window tint to dark, etc, how many of these things do you do? Again, not really a good comparison, but how many times a day do you break the law?? There is a reason that a seat belt ticket is only $25-50 bucks, and carries no points. In my state , they can't even stop you for it, it has to be a secondary ticket. Why, because it is not a law that should criminalize people. Lets hear your argument relating seat belt non use to murder, rape, drug use, etc. Come on, I know you have it in you!!! Get a life, and stay on subject on these posts. No one gives a **** about either one of our opinions, so we should really keep them to ourselves.

Now the Sport comment, go **** yourself. It is easy to be bold and obnoxious online, isn't it? But just like the anonymous key scratch on our vehicles, or the finger from a passing vehicle, the person always is out of reach. With that said, keep your insults and smart ass comments off these posts. I refrained from falling into this trap, but apparently some of you can't help yourselves. It is easy to talk **** from miles away, right??

Hummer Guy

08-17-2005, 04:41 PM

It goes through the radio, but it starts at the BCM...Its simpler than removing the radio, but you wont find any good tech that will do the job. Also -- that is the same system that decides whether or not your airbags go off. You can imagine what airbags do to you if you're not buckled...

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 05:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
Sport!! Are u serious?

I wanted to stay out of these rediculous arguments, but I guess I got dragged in. First off, what is it that prevents "know it alls" like yourself from letting people have a discussion, without putting your two cents in? The subject was about the chime, not seat belt use.
As far as relating seat belt use to DUI, your an idiot, there is no comparison!! Stupid, well being stupid is trying to make an equivalent of the two for lack of an argument. How often are accidents caused by non-use, or an un-occupied vehicle hurting someone. The lack of seat belt is never the cause of the accident, like drinking or other impairments. I don't know, but I know it is not very high, if even an issue. Running the yellow light, rolling a stop sighn, exceeding speed limits, driving while tired(yes, this is against the law, although rarely enforced), window tint to dark, etc, how many of these things do you do? Again, not really a good comparison, but how many times a day do you break the law?? There is a reason that a seat belt ticket is only $25-50 bucks, and carries no points. In my state , they can't even stop you for it, it has to be a secondary ticket. Why, because it is not a law that should criminalize people. Lets hear your argument relating seat belt non use to murder, rape, drug use, etc. Come on, I know you have it in you!!! Get a life, and stay on subject on these posts. No one gives a **** about either one of our opinions, so we should really keep them to ourselves.

Now the Sport comment, go **** yourself. It is easy to be bold and obnoxious online, isn't it? But just like the anonymous key scratch on our vehicles, or the finger from a passing vehicle, the person always is out of reach. With that said, keep your insults and smart ass comments off these posts. I refrained from falling into this trap, but apparently some of you can't help yourselves. It is easy to talk **** from miles away, right?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Damn, you are about as sharp as a brick. You "got dragged in" to this argument. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You are participating freely or is my bold and obnoxious online self anonymously IN reach and forcing you to respond. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Sport, (is that an insult?) never did I say that DUI and seatbelt non-compliance were equilavent. I said they were both breaking the law. The point you so succinctly missed is that you, my ignorant tool, fail to realize that a line must be drawn somewhere and I simply asked where do you draw said line. I could have used any driving infraction to do so but could make an additional point by using DUI. Sorry, it all seems to be too much for you to comprehend.

Exactly what is all of this billy bad-ass talk about? Have I threatened you or been "bold and obnoxious" or "talked ****" to you. REALLY????? If you truly think so, then you are one fragile little flower.

And don't try to be the forum police, you haven't been here long enough.

FROGGY69ER

08-17-2005, 06:59 PM

Only idiots like yourself are dumb enough to underestimate people they dont know. But since you decided to go there, I am sure you are a little man that doesn't have the sense to debate people without getting personal. At some point, certain people just can't discuss things rationally. As far as the sport comment, if you dont see how condescending it is , then you truly are a ****ing idiot. Not being around long enough to respond to a post, **** you again. Listen prick, if you want to keep this going, then by all means I will. Or you can shut up, and be a man, but like I said, I am sure you are a little person who never was picked for the team, if you know what I mean. I am not the forum police, I just was answering a posters question, when you decided to preach to all of us.

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 07:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
Only idiots like yourself are dumb enough to underestimate people they dont know. But since you decided to go there, I am sure you are a little man that doesn't have the sense to debate people without getting personal. At some point, certain people just can't discuss things rationally. As far as the sport comment, if you dont see how condescending it is , then you truly are a ****ing idiot. Not being around long enough to respond to a post, **** you again. Listen prick, if you want to keep this going, then by all means I will. Or you can shut up, and be a man, but like I said, I am sure you are a little person who never was picked for the team, if you know what I mean. I am not the forum police, I just was answering a posters question, when you decided to preach to all of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Do you ever seem to have a comprehensive thought or do you just string together a few nouns, pronouns and verbs to try to get by. As far as the condescending comment, if you take it that way, apparently you have your own issues to deal with being low class and inadequate.

Let's ponder this from your recent encounter with the keyboard. Exactly how does one get personal with people they don't know? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Not being around long enough to respond to a post, **** you again." Now, that really takes the cake there. Surely you jest. You can't possibly have us believe that you can be that dumb. You really think that I wasn't referring to how long you have been a member of this forum? I mean, of course you knew that I was referring to the fact that you were trying to police how one is supposed to post on this forum and you've only been a member for a few months without much contribution during that time.

And can you please, please qualify your next post for me. Like "But since you decided to go there," or "I wanted to stay out of these rediculous arguments" or "I guess I got dragged in"

FROGGY69ER

08-17-2005, 08:59 PM

How do you get personal? Well lets see, calling one stupid, Low class, sharp as a brick, I think that would be personal. You don't have a clue about the people you are relating to, but you feel you can insult them. As for me, I refrained from using childish names, and kept on subject. Every one of your posts is an attempt to degraid or insult me because you could not argue your way out of your stupid postings. I think it is clear that you were the little man that always got picked on. The internet was such a gift to ****ing lossers like you. Now all the geeks of the world can talk **** to people and not be held responsible. What a pathetic piece of ****. How many forums do you belong to? How much time do you spend online? Get a life. I bet your wife, assuming you have one, is a real charmmer. It's OK, you have your internet. Look in the mirror, and say "damm it, I am somebody." By the way, if you ever find yourself out in Va Bch, we should continue this conversation in person, you can even bring your keyboard. I can't promise you that you will be able to use it, since it will be up your ass when you leave.

H17

08-17-2005, 09:04 PM

Wow.. I am so sad to see this degenerate into what it has, but from my point of view, Froggy is the one who has handled himself with class in this argument, and he has had others keep dragging him down by absurd statements such as equating DUIs to not wearing seat belts (sorry, I read the post twice, and that's what it clearly says).

If my not wearing a seat belt is going to kill someone else in the car, then of course I would wear it. But it's a personal choice.

I agree Froggy -- in almost all states, it is a more significant fine for speeding or failing to come to a complete stop at a red light before turning right when no traffic is coming (I actually know someone who got a $300+ fine and a day in traffic school for doing just this) than it is to not wear a seat belt. So in other words, those who have never sinned can cast the first stone in this case. I think just about everyone, at some point, has not worn a seat belt or gone at least 1 MPH over the speed limit, so please drop the high-and-mighty stance that is so incredibly irritating.

Thanks, Froggy and a few others, for actually answering my question!

H3Witch

08-17-2005, 09:09 PM

Class??????????? If the use of foul language gets his point across - then I guess maybe he does, but that's not class in my book! You didn't want an argument at the dealership with a salesman face-to-face, but you sure started one here...
I think if you feel you have had your question answered then you can quit posting...

H17

08-17-2005, 09:25 PM

H3Witch -- in my opinion, he did what I find happens to me on these insane Internet boards from time to time. You start out answering with class (look at his initial post -- he was simply replying to my question, unlike all the people who tried preaching to me about something that should have been on another topic), and you get so frustrated that the profanity, etc. follows. Perfectly logical. When you're dealing with illogical people who seem to only be here for an argument, you're going to lose your cool.

Froggy has answered my question and tried to keep the thread on topic. H3Witch, on the other hand, all you have done is preach and criticize, but have not given me any kind of answer. So Froggy's posts are of far more benefit, in my opinion.

FROGGY69ER

08-17-2005, 10:00 PM

Thanks H17. H3Witch, you are absolutely right. Lowering myself to the point where I responded to personal attacks with profanity is definately stepping backwards. When arguments deteriorate to that point, most people stop reading them. On the other hand, when someone hides behind there keyboard and thinks they can call people stupid, low class, etc., well, you have to respond. I learned a long time ago to never underestimate, or assume to know the quality or abilty, of others. It is a sure fire way to get yourself in a bad situation, embarassed, or worse. People who do that are usually very predictable, and I think if you read the posts, you can see what I mean. It is frustrating, because you know that most of these people would never say these things to others if they had to do it in person, but it is safe to do it online. With that said, no more profanity and I will be the bigger man and stop responding to such childish posts. No more "ear muffs."

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 10:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
How do you get personal? Well lets see, calling one stupid, Low class, sharp as a brick, I think that would be personal. You don't have a clue about the people you are relating to, but you feel you can insult them. As for me, I refrained from using childish names, and kept on subject. Every one of your posts is an attempt to degraid or insult me because you could not argue your way out of your stupid postings. I think it is clear that you were the little man that always got picked on. The internet was such a gift to ****ing lossers like you. Now all the geeks of the world can talk **** to people and not be held responsible. What a pathetic piece of ****. How many forums do you belong to? How much time do you spend online? Get a life. I bet your wife, assuming you have one, is a real charmmer. It's OK, you have your internet. Look in the mirror, and say "damm it, I am somebody." By the way, if you ever find yourself out in Va Bch, we should continue this conversation in person, you can even bring your keyboard. I can't promise you that you will be able to use it, since it will be up your ass when you leave. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I can guarantee I'll be in Va. Beach visiting more intelligent and higher-classed members of this forum.

You are funny. Quite the hypocrite, but funny. Let's see:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
As for me, I refrained from using childish names, and kept on subject. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You sure 'bout that. Do you have short term memory loss also.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
Only idiots like yourself are dumb
</div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
you truly are a ****ing idiot
</div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
I am sure you are a little person who never was picked for the team
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>And that was only from one single post.

It's quite obvious that you are projecting your previous life experiences on to me in an attempt to somehow insult me or madden me. This little person syndrome you have has now continued through several posts is the most self-evident thing you have posted.

Now that I have poked and prodded you because of some stupid comments, let me bring something to your attention. You stated early in the thread, "I really find it offensive to see people preaching to adults." What in the hell makes you think H17 is an adult? If you can't comprehend his dumbass reason as to WHY he wants to do and see through that then you need to forego dispensing any advice.

H17

08-17-2005, 10:28 PM

Oh, trust me, H17 is an adult. I was just doing a parody off the names of H1, H2, H3, etc... I figured H17 would be the one I could easily afford. :-) Just a little misguided humor. But an adult? Yes, definitely.. I don't know if there's many 17-year-olds who can afford an H3, to be honest. I know I couldn't have back then!

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 10:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
Thanks H17. H3Witch, you are absolutely right. Lowering myself to the point where I responded to personal attacks with profanity is definately stepping backwards. When arguments deteriorate to that point, most people stop reading them. On the other hand, when someone hides behind there keyboard and thinks they can call people stupid, low class, etc., well, you have to respond. I learned a long time ago to never underestimate, or assume to know the quality or abilty, of others. It is a sure fire way to get yourself in a bad situation, embarassed, or worse. People who do that are usually very predictable, and I think if you read the posts, you can see what I mean. It is frustrating, because you know that most of these people would never say these things to others if they had to do it in person, but it is safe to do it online. With that said, no more profanity and I will be the bigger man and stop responding to such childish posts. No more "ear muffs." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll tell you what. You have all of what, 36 posts on this forum and to my knowledge, no other member of this forum knows you. Ask about me here.

Do one better. Klaus is probably one of the most respected long time members of this forum. He met me in person one weekend. PM him and ask him what type of person I am. Ask him if I am a "little man."

You are just a dumb hypocrite spouting about underestimations and then making veiled attempts at threats against someone you know nothing about. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 10:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H17:
Oh, trust me, H17 is an adult. I was just doing a parody off the names of H1, H2, H3, etc... I figured H17 would be the one I could easily afford. :-) Just a little misguided humor. But an adult? Yes, definitely.. I don't know if there's many 17-year-olds who can afford an H3, to be honest. I know I couldn't have back then! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Why would one trust YOU?

H17

08-17-2005, 10:45 PM

Paragon, you truly are a grade-A you-know-what. Hey, I haven't looked for a fight, I just tried to get a question answered on this forum. As a middle-aged man with a life, I don't need this garbage.

Paragon, you are completely out of line on this board -- judging by your 6000+ posts, I'm guessing this forum is your entire life. Pretty sad. But then again, I guess if I lived in Jackson, Mississippi, I'd be a bitter person too!!

PARAGON

08-17-2005, 10:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H17:
Paragon, you truly are a grade-A you-know-what. Hey, I haven't looked for a fight, I just tried to get a question answered on this forum. As a middle-aged man with a life, I don't need this garbage.

Paragon, you are completely out of line on this board -- judging by your 6000+ posts, I'm guessing this forum is your entire life. Pretty sad. But then again, I guess if I lived in Jackson, Mississippi, I'd be a bitter person too!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Nice try, but I am not going to knowingly pick on a teenager.

h2co-pilot

08-17-2005, 11:08 PM

OK let me get this straight, some guy, asks about how to disable his seatbelt alarm. Which can, and I say can, be equal to asking how to remove a safety feature on a gun- because the distraction might hurt your aim, therefore actually protecting bystanders. Long shot but you get the point.

Bender, First hummer and H3witch all said wear the seatbelt in one way or another. Frog licker says, "hey, he asked about the chime", kind of abruptly, probably defending himself because he thought it bad of himself not to think of anothers safety. Paragon says the same, wear the belt, and frog ****er gets pissed at him and posts a long personal attack. Paragon rebuts- only right and totally Paragon. Then H17 the teenaged rebel joins in because he is not wearing his seatbelt "so yeah, I'm not a bad person. You're not the boss of me." Or he is pleasingly plump and can't fit in it.(extension)whatever, frog hump is sticking up for him so why not.

Really now who attacked who?

Frog, as a surgical tech I can personally say that there is a big difference in victims who have worn a seatbelt those who haven't. I would post pics but I won't.

ironic:
http://www.snopes.com/autos/accident/seatbelt.asp

FROGGY69ER

08-17-2005, 11:42 PM

OK, time to break my promise. Para****, end of this post. Anytime, anywhere you piece of ****. I dont give a **** what your friends say about you. Again, you know nothing about me, but you keep trying to prove what a man you are. Only a face to face will solve this, so I anxiously await it,. As far as the Frog ****, and froghump comment, Co-pilot, go **** another dude so you can drive his car. A surgical nurse, big ****ing deal.I am sure I have seen more trauma **** than you can imagine, so save your bs. Had to jump in and start it up again. as far as a safety on a gun, another ****ty comparrison, but obviously, H2co-slut, you and Paradick are buddies.

Georgemarc

08-17-2005, 11:51 PM

Co-pilot, you summed it up well. But then Froggy comes back, surprise, surprise.
Only, what I am sure he does not realize is, that he just further validates what you and Paragon have been saying all along.
Froggy, do you see that yet???? Didn't think so.

h2co-pilot

08-17-2005, 11:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
OK, time to break my promise. Para****, end of this post. Anytime, anywhere you piece of ****. I dont give a **** what your friends say about you. Again, you know nothing about me, but you keep trying to prove what a man you are. Only a face to face will solve this, so I anxiously await it,. As far as the Frog ****, and froghump comment, Co-pilot, go **** another dude so you can drive his car. A surgical nurse, big ****ing deal.I am sure I have seen more trauma **** than you can imagine, so save your bs. Had to jump in and start it up again. as far as a safety on a gun, another ****ty comparrison, but obviously, H2co-slut, you and Paradick are buddies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

H2co-slut, I love it when you tawk dirty. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What's your malfunction, say what you want but you obviously have issues. I'm sorry, but I wasn't trying to get into a trauma battle with you, but if you have seen so much than it would be obvious that you would promote safety. Furthermore, "preaching to someone" about wearing a seatbelt is only out of care for that person and you obviously have some issues with that.

And "frog fondler", you brought it on yourself with that name. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

All that you can refer to is me "****ing some dude to drive his car"? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Are you kidding me?? Why don't you tell me to go to whore-island? Give me a break. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

FROGGY69ER

08-18-2005, 12:21 AM

You know Co-pilot, I tend to be a little more loyal to people. I chatted with you on an earlier post, and all was well. So you see me going at it with Littledick, I mean paradick, and you feel compelled to jump in. You fired this one over my bow. Yeah, I have seen a lot of trauma, and yes some of what I do for a living is teach people things. Things which center wholly around safety, and smart choices, so I follow your logic, but this post started differently. A man asked about the chime, and everyone had to get self-righteous about it. All they had to say was exactely what you did, "wearing a seatbelt is only out of care for that person," and it wwould have been received differently, but that isn't the way it was. I don't know what type of person you are, but how long before you get pissed? Para**** assumes this guy is a kid, I am low rent, blah..blah, and feels strong behind the safety of his keyboard. Your a nurse, tell him about what crimes of passion look like. Anyway, no problem with you, actually thought you were pretty cool before, so, your move. My name asked for it, yours kinda did too. Sorry, it was to easy.

PS- This is getting old fast, so can we all just get this out of our system quickly.

PARAGON

08-18-2005, 12:23 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
OK, time to break my promise. Para****, end of this post. Anytime, anywhere you piece of ****. I dont give a **** what your friends say about you. Again, you know nothing about me, but you keep trying to prove what a man you are. Only a face to face will solve this, so I anxiously await it,. As far as the Frog ****, and froghump comment, Co-pilot, go **** another dude so you can drive his car. A surgical nurse, big ****ing deal.I am sure I have seen more trauma **** than you can imagine, so save your bs. Had to jump in and start it up again. as far as a safety on a gun, another ****ty comparrison, but obviously, H2co-slut, you and Paradick are buddies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>How old are you? Are you in the same class with H17?

I'll make you an offer, feel free to come visit me in Jackson before I make it to Va Beach. I'll be in KC at the end of Sept and Moab in Oct. I don't have anything to prove and have certainly not wasted my time attempting to prove anything to you. You brought it up, I gave you the way to answer your questions, simple as that. If you want to act like you want to answer them more directly, you're stupid.

I had you pegged from your first post in this thread, huh? It was too easy too. You even jump on the females responding in like kind to your responses to me. I'm sure glad the 17 year old looks up to you and sees class. He's the only one.

FROGGY69ER

08-18-2005, 12:26 AM

Co-pilot, I forgot to ask, is there really a whore island, and if so, how do I get there from I-64??? Later! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FROGGY69ER

08-18-2005, 12:58 AM

I know I am dumb. but exactely what questions did you help me answer? As far as how old am I , am I living in the past, or am I 17? For someone that has nothing to prove , you sure tried hard to. When you say someone is stupid, or low rent, what you are implying is unlike myself, you are.......When you say H17 is pretending to want to buy an H3, what does that imply? You know what, who cares? I will take you up on your offer, and I hope you do on mine as well. Until then,

FROGGY69ER

08-18-2005, 01:17 AM

sfox, the seat belt chime is not a safey feature, it is a reminder. Do you think someone who does not wear a seatbelt, will wear one because of the chime? I dont think so. It is funny you brought up the helmet thing, because that is exactly what was going through my mind when this post started. I have been riding for 17 years, and racing for two. Nothing bothers me more than people that dont wear helmets. I even felt a sense of "told you so" when Busey busted his noggin. I see first hand at the track how much a helmet does for a person. I even hate the litttle half shells my buddies wear. With that said, I try not to harsass my friends too much about it. I know that there actions result in higher insurance, ugly accidents, or worse, but it is their choice. If they do it here,VA, they get ticketed. If they do it in DE, it is OK. You can't change their minds. I think that in general, this is a decision that usually only affects the individual. I wish we were that lucky with a lot of other personal choice issues. Anyway, SEAT BELTS ARE GOOD, AND I INSIST THAT MY WIFE AND FAMILY WEAR THEM, but, I am not ready to be-little those that don't feel the same as I do. Glad to get back to a rational discussion with someone.

FROGGY69ER

08-18-2005, 02:19 AM

AlecW, speaking of dicks, how big is the dick on that dude riding passenger?

Vincent

08-18-2005, 02:28 AM

Georgemarc

08-18-2005, 02:31 AM

Really Froggy, it has been going on way too long, you need to let it go. Find a life. Or at least another avenue.

FROGGY69ER

08-18-2005, 02:43 AM

I completely agree, and have tried to put a period on this post numerous times, but if peopls want to continue, I will as well. I am happy to end this post now. Sorry you all have had to put up with it.

PARAGON

08-18-2005, 02:51 AM

Stupid hypocrite

FROGGY69ER

08-18-2005, 02:51 AM

****ING PUSSY

Georgemarc

08-18-2005, 02:55 AM

Froggy - you are just sitting here, waiting for another post, how pathetic. Feel sorry for you buddy.

PARAGON

08-18-2005, 03:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
****ING PUSSY </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Why yes, yes I do. Unlike the things you probably stick your weiner in.

DRTYFN

08-18-2005, 04:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FROGGY69ER:
****ING PUSSY </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet you're STILL hovering over this thread waiting for more attention.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

H17

08-18-2005, 09:53 PM

First of all, I NEVER ASKED HOW TO DISABLE A SAFETY FEATURE. Clear enough, everyone? All I asked is WHAT IS THE NOTIFACTION???? Pretty simple f-ing question, if you ask me (or any sane, normal, DECENT human being).

Second of all, Paragon, I already told you I am middle-aged. Yet, you presume I am a teenager. Okay, how about H45? Want to call me that? (that's not my exact age, but it's more in the range).

Third of all, why the profanity and anger over a simple request?

Forthly.. did I say I was "plump"? I could stand to lose a few pounds, but height is also an issue, and so is back pain. I need to move around when I sit on a long trip, not always possible with a seat belt.

What a bunch of annoying people. Geez, I guess I will just rent one and test it myself. I still hoped there was decent humanity, people willing to treat others with respect in this country, but apparently there isn't. And we wonder why so much of the world hates us -- this thread is a perfect example. Grow up, morons.