Look what they are saying about us in Colorado

[CO Hummer]

Check out this link (Title: Hardcore Hummers Offroad)
http://www.colorado4x4.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=005211#000013

Not too flattering. Just a bunch of windbags.

[maybe some day...]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec W:
Small minded (or something else). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hah! You read my mind... or maybe my response on their forum...

[Detonate]

You'll always find these idiotic Hummer Hating ramblings at other websites.

Odd how you never see Jeep bashing topics started here.

So either we are more Mature, or they are indeed the envious little bitches they act like.

I for one never see anyone here claiming that a Stock H2 can out wheel a fully modified Jeep. It'll out wheel a stock jeep without a doubt.

The thing they fail to realize is that we don't own H2's STRICKLY for their off road performance. H2's offer a balance in on road performance and luxory as well as great stock off road performance.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[Detonate]

I'm not sure how they are even able to call them Jeeps after they strip them down to nothing and rebuild them.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[Detonate]

Also for the record, since I'm too lazy to register on thier board and point this out, and I'm sure they are reading this thread.

The ratio of Wheeled H2's to non Wheeled H2's is FAR LESS than the ratio of Wheeled Jeeps to non Wheeled Jeeps.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[MountainJeep]

hello all:

Just wanted to bop in and say hi.

funny how people get so bent about their rigs.

To each their own I say.

Have a great day.

PS I drive a slightly modified Jeep, and hereby invite all of you to come camp and wheel with us at Independence this weekend.

YO!

http://www.colorado4x4.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000928

[SJ]

I don't see what the problem is. We all share the common interest of wheeling. Some rigs are modified SWB packages that do well on the rocks. Other rigs are better suited to desert running or green lanes. It doesn't matter, so long as you're enjoying the scenery and trail.

If people want to bash the Hummer on their site; it's their business and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I have a lifted Chevy truck that I love running through the mud. Do I suddenly become a latte-sipping yuppie when I hop in the seat of the H2? Maybe in some folks eyes, but I'm not concerned about the negative people in our sport. My vehicles are American and they get me through the Winter's snow and moderate trails that I enjoy. The H2 serves my family's needs, but I don't consider it the ultimate off-road vehicle nor do I look down on any one driving another make.

In fact, I hold a ton of respect for the guy or gal that does their own build-up. I may not enjoy rock crawling, but I appreciate American ingenuity. Besides, I still have pictures of my old '81 K5 Blazer - recalling the countless hours spent under its frame.

Enjoy the trails folks! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Jdub]

hey yall. I dont think they are just saying this stuff in CO. I think its all over the coutnry. I mean i live in FLorida, and people are saying it. I keep hearing that the h2 is just a big tahoe. some call it the T2, My buddies dad has on and he calls it a T2. Something is wrong here. Also an H2 CANT out do a Rubicon, and its not heavily modded. its from the factory with the same crap you guys have. they did a comparison on the 2 in one of the 4 wheelin magazines.

Hey done get mad at me. Im just repeating what ive heard. i want to keep you guys posted. oh by the way, did you guys get your new star bucks frequent shopper cards? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

John S. Williams

[Detonate]

The main difference between the Hummer crowd and the Jeep crowd, is that a good number of Hummer owners have owned or wheeled a jeep before, and therefore have a good idea of the capabilites of both.

Not many Jeep owners can say the same thing.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[CO Hummer]

Detonate,
Great point. I've owned 4 Jeeps before. Those guys on that site are hilarious. It a red-neck extravaganza! Actually, it's pretty embarrassing from a Colorado resident's perspective.

[BIGT]

It's it funny that on the Rubicon TV commercial, that have to have a little disclaimer stating that it is a modified vehicle. I have yet to see this in an H2 commercial.

things that make you go hummm. (er)

[ItsaJeepThing95]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGT:
It's it funny that on the Rubicon TV commercial, that have to have a little disclaimer stating that it is a modified vehicle. I have yet to see this in an H2 commercial.

things that make you go hummm. (er)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the commercial you're talking about is the Tomb Raider Edition Rubi, which most definately is a modified vehicle.

There are a few of you H2 guys who do wheel them. Personally, I think it's awesome that you wheel them. I think the "bling bling" crowd really gives you guys a bad name. Recently I saw a lifted H2 on 24's and the thing was like half chrome. A buddy of mine said it would "kick my ass" off-road. I laughed my ass off at him.

I think the H2 commercials are pretty interesting as well. I saw the one with soap box derby racers the other night, where the kid builds his to look like an H2, then cuts across a bunch of switchbacks to win the race. REAL good example of trail etiquette right there.

BTW, here's a pic of my Jeep.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/pa5c5a15d012789e567dda355e5d025d0/fbe7feaf.jpg

[BADRAP]

UH, What happened to the fender wells and doors????????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHA

BADRAP
03 H2, Lux, Pewter
03 BMW 525i, Titanium Gray Metallic, Black Leather
COMING SOON: BMW 745Li, Titanium Gray, Gray Flannel Leather..
H2 Club - Houston Chapter..
badrap@sbcglobal.net

[ItsaJeepThing95]

Umm, a sawzall happened to the fenders and a 10mm socket happened to the doors!

[CO Hummer]

Alec,
I think you did see him. Here is his post from the co4x4.org thread:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I ran into a couple H2's up at Twin Cone a couple months ago. They were taking some of the easier lines up the trail, but at least they were out there.

H2's in general are pavement pounders, but I do respect the guys that actually take them off road. The guys that think a dirt road is wheeling though, yeah right. I saw an H2 commercial that PISSED ME OFF last night too. It was a soapbox derby type thing down a bunch of switchbacks. Some kid does up his soapbox car to look like an H2 and then tears down the hill shortcutting all the switchbacks. And we all wonder why we have such a crappy image. Don't even get me started on the Honda ad that says make your own shortcut or whatever it is.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ItsaJeepThing95]

That woulda been me! Didn't we run into you guys coming the other way where that Wrangler broke down?? From what I've heard, the trail was open all the way to the top shortly after we were up there. There was still about a 3ft deep snowfield for a good 100+ft right after that little dirt hill that brings you up over timberline. How far did you guys end up going up the trail?

Here's another one of my ZJ, I made a little foot peg with a harley peg to put my foot on while wheelin. My leg got burned pretty decent that day.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/pc2e35bd512ccd577e445689d9c474578/fbe73727.jpg

[ItsaJeepThing95]

To my knowledge, the G500's count the t-case as a locking diff, which every t-case Jeep has made outside of the 249 Quadratrac (or QuadraCrap as I call it) put into ZJ's between 93 and 95. The Tomb Raider Edition Rubi jeep sells is essentially a Rubi with cheesy parts on it. The one in the movie itself is modified quite a bit.

EDIT: someone had made a comment relevant to the above, but now I don't see their post!

[DiscoDancingRover]

I have seen the one from the movie in person, it is modified a bit. It was kinda odd however that the speedometer was at 47 mph, I didn't get that. I just don't like the tires they have http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[ItsaJeepThing95]

So why isn't this thread showing up in the forum anymore?

EDIT: It's back now . . . weird.

[This message was edited by ItsaJeepThing95 on 07-28-03 at 02:35 PM.]

[BADRAP]

No need for a jeep topic on a Hummer forum.. Don't ya think??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I think that it is very interesting that the guys from the jeep forums have nothing better to do than to come over to the Hummer Forum and talk smack a little.. I do not see many from here on other forums, so I am not sure whether they are looking for topics to flame, things to talk about or just bored and maybe thinking about dropping the benjamins for a real offroad rig?? We shall see....



BADRAP
03 H2, Lux, Pewter
03 BMW 525i, Titanium Gray Metallic, Black Leather
COMING SOON: BMW 745Li, Titanium Gray, Gray Flannel Leather..
H2 Club - Houston Chapter..
badrap@sbcglobal.net

[This message was edited by BADRAP on 07-28-03 at 02:39 PM.]

[Steve R]

Very interesting!!!

I'm pleased to see some Jeepers visiting the site AND contributing in a positive manner. Long ago we were hit by a bunch of nasty-ass jerks who were extremely abrasive and made it a point to be offensive/arrogant and obnoxious.

I was noticing how pleasant these guys were and wondering....then I saw the pics and realized what it is: they've got Grand Cherokee's....not considered "real" Jeeps by authentic Jeepers.

The thread was probably shifted into another category and then brought back when seen it wasn't going to get ugly. Good!

make sure you check out some of the videos....some of us take these things offroad!

[ItsaJeepThing95]

I think a LITTLE surprised is a bit of an understatement. I was damn near shocked!

[CO Hummer]

Well...
Some of you saw that they eventually shut down the thread on the other site. It got way outta hand and ended up with a local guy threating me. Apparently I'm going to get beaten up by a guy in big blue and white Bronco. His name is Ryan Robinson. The guy (Ryan) directly confirms to me that he is threatening me and that I've "just made an enemy". Then he ALL CAPS me saying "I'LL SEE YOU ON THE TRAIL". I told the guy that he went way over the line which made him more upset. The site manager posted a well deserved nasty gram about how unacceptable the bully behavior was (http://www.colorado4x4.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=005225). Props to him. I must say that I was shocked. Those that have come over to post on this site/thread are the mild ones who don't seem to have a chip on their shoulder. I received a number of private emails from other members on the site apologizing for their behavior and his. Weird.

Wow...interesting day. I couple of valuable lessons for me:
(1) Don't get involved in the trivial b**sh*t emails wars. Nothing good will come from them.
(2) Be careful about referring to the hard core guys are 'rednecks'. I had no idea how sensitive this term is for them. I truly didn't know that it was a 'stigma' they with. They think most of the H2 owners think that of them. It's really not what I think of ALL of them -- just my feeling about a couple that went ape on me.
(3) Let's keep this site the way it is - above board. I read most every post here and have NEVER seen anything like what went on over there. THANKS to Jason for keeping it clean.

[ItsaJeepThing95]

I'm glad that thread over there is gone. COHummer, your favorite person over there even started going off on me. I think he was just in the mood for a fight.

I definately understand how you guys feel though, wheelin a Grand isn't quite yet considered "normal" and we get quite a bit of "get your *$%* grocery getter off the trail!" But we usually let them see our rigs at work and they shut up pretty quickly.

Being the "black sheep" of the Jeep family, well until the Liberty came out at least, I know that it takes a while to gain respect in the 4x4 world. If your rig has a t-case and it sees 4lo or dirt/rocks/mud every once in a while and you aren't a cocky arsehole, or you just wanna check out the sport, you're more than welcome to wheel with me!

So who's up for a trail run in CO? I'd really like the chance to see some H2's wheel.

[BADRAP]

JEEP PEOPLE NEED TO STAY ON JEEP FORUMS

[ItsaJeepThing95]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BADRAP:
JEEP PEOPLE NEED TO STAY ON JEEP FORUMS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you wonder why some of the 4x4 community doesn't like you guys http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



Anyways, Alec, I've never been up to Wheeler. I was planning on taking it pretty easy the rest of the summer because I really can't afford to repair any add'l damage to my Jeep. Wheeler is definately on my want to do list, but maybe for next summer the way things have been going with my Jeep lately. Have you ever run Bill Moore Lake?

[SJ]

ItsaJeepThing95:

I'll wheel with you any time. The only challenge is that I live near the Cal-Nevada border.

I owned a '96 Grand and I truly enjoy hitting the trails with different vehicles.

It's just plain un-American to be at each other's throats over trivial crap, so I can't relate to the unfriendly behaviour of some folks. Especially given the fact that we share admiration for the same sport.

I'm not a big fan of rock crawling, but I like most aspects of off-roading. If you ever find yourself heading to Northern Nevada or California - it'd be nice to hit the trails.

God Bless America and God Bless Chevy, Jeep, and Ford! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Dan]

Everyone is welcome here unless they start being a troll. No one likes that on their forum. Welcome JeepThing!

- Dan

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[Klaus]

I agree with Dan. Welcome to the forum, JeepThing.

FYI - My wife has a 93 GC. Last week, I replaced the yellowed headlights with a set of european spec E-Codes. Glass lenses, not plastic. Much better!

Klaus

"God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made them all equal."

[BADRAP]

Hey Phil at this point I don't care.. but thanks for your brillant observation... Just have issues with a few people right now...

[ItsaJeepThing95]

Klaus,
Be careful on those headlights with the lenses coming loose and possibly falling off. A few guys have those lights and are issues with that. I think most of them are running much higher wattage lights, but just something to keep an eye on!

Alec,
I'm probably booked for a bit too, not from activities planned, but more from getting my Jeep wheelable again! It's been a 2wd lifted Jeep for about 6 weeks now while I get everything I broke replaced. Bill Moore Lake is a really cool trail, there's an optional rock garden that isnt TOO nasty, and some downright beautiful scenery and a nice lake and ruins of a cabin at the top. Let me know whats a good weekend for you and I'll see if I can't get the Heep up and going by then.


BADRAP,
If you have an issue with me, shoot me a PM and we'll hash it out there.
EDIT: guess this forum doesn't have private messages, shoot me an email isntead: dreicher@tcfbank.com

[BADRAP]

Jepp guy, it is not you.. Goes much deeper...

[AlamoJim]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BADRAP:
Jepp guy, it is not you.. Goes much deeper...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have seen vehicle bashing in many forms on many forums over the years...and when I am in my jeep I have been yelled at and thrown the bird by anybody from H2 owners, to import tuners. and I have had fun with both in the right situation. One of the local clubs I have a lot of fun with is not vehicle specific, i have wheeled with or helped work on toyotas, broncos, jeeps, Z71s, Range Rovers - all kinds of offroad vehicles.

is the H2 Recovery Team funny? I think so, but I laughed pretty hard at the Hummer with the sticker that said "Jeep - It's what's for Dinner"...I think the soap box derby H2 is funny - but that is me.

If I am on the trail and your broke down...I will break out my tools and do everything I can to get you home - no questions asked or money expected (even you BADRAP!)...I have given parts and tools to perfect strangers, rides to people I didn't know, driven a lady all over town looking for a part while her husband waited by the truck - drinking out of my cooler since they didn't have one.
I keep a small floor jack and tire repair kit in my jeep during the week - I fix flats for people and air up their tires all the time - even ricers - I loaned my floor jack to a guy while I went into the store, didn't know him from adam.

It's more a matter of common sense and decency than my jeep or SUV v.s. whatever...

one day that could be me on the other side.

JMO, putting away the soap box now!

[Steve R]

AlamoJim,

You can stand on that soapbox all day and I'd gladly listen to ya! I truly wish your words and sentiments could find their way into some of the wicked minds and typing finders that wander past our forum.

I gladly and whole-heartedly welcome you, JeepThing and any other contributor who can share in your attitudes.

Like you, I go out of my way to be friendly and helpful to others...I welcome everyone to our offroad events and encourage diversification.

People like Alec, Adam and you make me more so want to visit Colorado! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[vegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SJ:
ItsaJeepThing95:

I'll wheel with you any time. The only challenge is that I live near the Cal-Nevada border.

I owned a '96 Grand and I truly enjoy hitting the trails with different vehicles.

It's just plain un-American to be at each other's throats over trivial crap, so I can't relate to the unfriendly behaviour of some folks. Especially given the fact that we share admiration for the same sport.

I'm not a big fan of rock crawling, but I like most aspects of off-roading. If you ever find yourself heading to Northern Nevada or California - it'd be nice to hit the trails.

God Bless America and God Bless Chevy, Jeep, and Ford! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

just want to say hi.....
im from las vegas
Jeep owner (one of those Rubicon people)
i do know what its like to be slammed for having a bought veh vs building in my garage.
i joined up as i was impressed on how you all accepted a fellow jeep`r.
i would love to wheel with a H2 some day.
thanks
vegas http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid71/pca987f1c9ca87814ef776c7a9bc0ffc9/fb931a63.jpg
i did replace all the factory suspension/tires/bumpers/ect.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by vegas on 07-30-03 at 11:25 PM.]

[CO Hummer]

Just another example of the kind of crap going around....

I'm driving to my client on a back road outside of Denver this morning. I'm minding my own busines and as I pass a guy going the other way in an F150 - he flips me the bird!! Just because I'm driving a Hummer the guys flips me off? Too many whackos out there....

[vegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CO Hummer:
Just another example of the kind of crap going around....

I'm driving to my client on a back road outside of Denver this morning. I'm minding my own busines and as I pass a guy going the other way in an F150 - he flips me the bird!! Just because I'm driving a Hummer the guys flips me off? Too many whackos out there....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow......thats scarry!
seems there are some real issues on the road in CO.
(not saying CO is worse then anywhere else)
best to just let a jerk like that move on.
road rage is not fun.

[CO Hummer]

Vegas,
I agree. You never know what you're going to get when you mess with these road-ragers. You're right that it's not just CO. I mostly run into great folks out here. It's the few nutballs that you remember.

On the positive side it does make it entertaining to own an H2. Never a boring drive since someone's either give you a wave/thumbs-up or flipping you off.

[vegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CO Hummer:
Vegas,
I agree. You never know what you're going to get when you mess with these road-ragers. You're right that it's not just CO. I mostly run into great folks out here. It's the few nutballs that you remember.

On the positive side it does make it entertaining to own an H2. Never a boring drive since someone's either give you a wave/thumbs-up or flipping you off.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

CO Hummer
my wife is a fan of the H2..i keep hearing all the time...
"hunny why not buy one"..

can you imagine the road hassles if im in the rubicon and she is in the H2..
might be the best of both worlds..
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ItsaJeepThing95]

Vegas,
Nice Rubi!! What kind fo setup are you running?


Everytime I drive my ZJ it's an experience! Slight hints of death wobble, wanders all over the place on the road, I usually ride the bumpstops around corners since I don't have any swaybars. Add that on top of usual Denver driving!! One thing I like about driving a bigger, meaner looking vehicle is I damn near never get cut off!

[MountainJeep]

Any Colorado H2 owners who have some free time on Saturday August 2nd, come meet a bunch of us colorado4x4.org guys at the Independence trails for some fun in the sun. Near Penrose, which is near Canyon City)

From Colorado Springs, CO you take South Nevada Street south out of town (South Nevada becomes Highway 115). Follow 115 for 20-30 minutes to the North side of Penrose, CO. You'll look for a sign indicating Brush Hollow Reservoir. Take this road West and take your second right on CR 127. Follow this road (you'll be heading North) through a few cattle gates and you'll come to the trail head [Latitude: N38°29.651' Longitude: W105°1.856'].


Seriously, its gonna be a wicked fun time, and we are not prejudiced in regard to vehicles. That Bronca guy even threatened me on that now banished thread (takes all kinds).

Hope to see some H2 representation if only to heckle us as we thrash our rigs http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The event is being very unofficially sponsored by Red Hook Brewery. (I know I will get in trouble for that)

Cheers