RUBICON '03 PICS [Archive] - Hummer Forums by Elcova

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:33 AM

Here's some pics(taken from video clips) from my recent trip to the Rubicon.
Everything you've heard about the beauty of the area is absolutely true. The vast expanses of granite slabs are enough to justify the trip alone. Then add in the rest of the landscape and scenery and you've got the makings of a truly memorable adventure. And that's just what you see leading up to the the beginning of the trail(GateKeeper).
After some of the recent squirmishes here on the Forum with a few H2 detractors, I have to admit that I was a little wary of what kind of reception my H2 and I were going to receive. It was a very pleasant surprise to get thumbs up and words of praise from fellow off-roaders for actually wheeling with the H2. We met some very genuine people up there that enjoyed wheeling as much as we did. I told them about the H2Source forum and hoped they'd check it out to see that some of us are just as enthusiastic about off-roading as they are. I hope you guys are looking in.

There were only two of us that went, so we didn't spend as much time taking pictures as I would have liked. But here's some of what I've got right now. I'll post the rest when I have them.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:33 AM

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:34 AM

Coming into Gate Keeper.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:35 AM

More GK.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:36 AM

Nice rock.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:36 AM

More.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:37 AM

A little hill.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:38 AM

More of the hill.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:40 AM

My buddy's highly modified 'Zuki. It's an amazing rig that he built himself. This thing took the Rubicon in stride.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:41 AM

A view of an approach to a slab.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:43 AM

Tilting on two(opposite) wheels getting up the slab at an angle.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:44 AM

Big slabs.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:44 AM

Fun steps.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:45 AM

Going up. Easy stuff. I hadn't started having any pucker attacks yet.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:46 AM

Rocks.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:50 AM

Little shelf bypass over Little Sluice. I did that at night without guidance. Kent was down below in the Little sluice and there was no way I was going to make it through there. I wanted to go up the slab bypass to the right, but there were jeeps trying to get up and we wanted to set up camp and have beers.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:52 AM

Camping on the slab at Spider Lake. We set up camp in the dark so when we got up in the morning it was like being on another planet. Nice campsite.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:54 AM

Doesn't look like much in the photo, but it was a pretty good rock.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:55 AM

Getting over.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:56 AM

Over.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:57 AM

Zuki taking a drive.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:57 AM

Zuki at the Soup Kitchen. The pic doesn't do it justice.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 05:59 AM

Coming down Kitchen.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:05 AM

Ass puckering leaner. This really sucked at night going up leaning into the wall. Plus did I mention the super fine dust? It's like talcum powder and it's slippery, so imagine leaning into this wall slipping ever so slightly towards it. Looking back it was fun, but during it really sucked.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:08 AM

More of the leaner. It's probably a cake walk for less broad-shouldered vehicles, but the H2 makes it memorable. Next time I'm stacking more rocks.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:09 AM

Up & over.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:09 AM

More up & over.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:12 AM

Oh yeah, up & over also involved leaing into a wall. Pucker factor 6.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:15 AM

Stopping on the trail to meet some other wheelers. They were really great guys.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:17 AM

Back out on the Slabs.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:18 AM

Lovely tree scratches. Buffable.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:19 AM

Down the slabs.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:20 AM

More Slabs.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:21 AM

View at bottom of most Slabs.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:23 AM

There's another source of pics on that tape, and I'll have them soon.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:24 AM

Slightly tilted down the slabs.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:25 AM

Going up.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:29 AM

Zuki in a little rut. Kent made it out with barely any effort. But he ate more dust than I did. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:31 AM

Zuki straddling boulders.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:32 AM

Zuki getting ready to go yard sale.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:33 AM

On the way to the yard sale.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:35 AM

YARD SALE!! Kent wasn't hurt and the Zuki barely got scratched. Kent had always wanted to tip it over and he got his wish. We lifted it back up ourselves.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:37 AM

Smiling tipped over goof.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:38 AM

A little rock garden next to the boulders. Had to keep an eye on the trees while leaning back & forth.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:39 AM

Zuki up the Shelves.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:41 AM

Going out of the Gatekeeper.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:42 AM

My turn to go out the Gatekeeper.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:43 AM

Approaching the first rock.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:45 AM

Trying to go over.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:46 AM

Trying to get the right angle. Notice the rock on the right.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:48 AM

Going down over this rock was pretty easy. Going up was different.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:51 AM

Remember the rock on the right? Here it is. I now own that rock and it owns a piece of me. I'm bringing a sledge hammer next time to even the score. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:55 AM

If you look closely you'll see that friggin' rock grinning. In hindsight we should have stacked more rocks next to "my" rock. Next time I'll extend my rock rails 3-4 inches.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:55 AM

Not out yet.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:57 AM

Looking back down at my favorite http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif section of Gatekeeper.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 06:59 AM

More of "my" rock. Enjoy life while you can, rock. Next year you're gonna meet Mr. Sledgehammer.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:00 AM

Back on the friendly little slabs.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:01 AM

Almost done.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:02 AM

This was a pretty good ledge. The H2 really does well on them.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:06 AM

Final approach to little ledge. The H2 could've taken a much steeper line but I had my winch on the front ant it limits the approach angle. And I was too lazy to take it off and stow it.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:08 AM

Back to the staging area to air up and get ready to go back onto pavement(yuck!!).

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:09 AM

Here's a couple of quads that had to get a little help over Gatekeeper.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:12 AM

Gatekeeper even tilts quads.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 07:15 AM

I wish there were more extreme pics, but taking pics is the last thing I was thinking about on some of the obstacles. There might be some on the other tape. If there is I'll post them ASAP.
I have to give a very heart felt thanks to my good friend Kent, because he really made the Rubicon a great experience with his masterful spotting and offroading wisdom. Plus he brought the tent. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by DRTYFN on 10-22-03 at 02:24 AM.]

Detonate

10-22-2003, 09:40 AM

Congrats! Looks like a lot of fun.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

1BADH2

10-22-2003, 11:42 AM

Awsome pics DRTYFN!

Bayou H2

10-22-2003, 01:34 PM

Wow, great pictures DRTYFN!

'03 White H2 Lux Package

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:23 PM

My faithful rock-stacker.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:24 PM

My rainbow from Spider Lake.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:25 PM

Stopping to chat on the trail.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:27 PM

Door boo-boo. I promise that I'm going to break that rock into pieces next year.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:28 PM

Airing up and getting ready to head home.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:29 PM

Not a totally happy camper.

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:31 PM

These rails are unbelievably strong. I'm going to extend them 3-4" for next year. And maybe strap some sledgehammers on to scare off the rocks. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by DRTYFN on 10-22-03 at 09:39 AM.]

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 02:41 PM

Just a little bit of frame damage. Easily fixed. Don't remember doing it, though.

DennisAJC

10-22-2003, 05:05 PM

DRTY,

NAAAAAWWWWWCE!

BTW, My secretary likes the size of your fish(Did you pee your pants in that photo?).

"A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words."

Cranky Steve

10-22-2003, 05:44 PM

Nice! Great pics! All of the rock rash you got is normal at the con, and yes, outrigger rock sliders make all the differance in the world for obstacles like Gatekeeper.

BTW, No sledghammering of the rocks allowed, ya gotta wear the dents proudly, after all, any trip where ya go in and out under your own power is a good one!

Hopefully I can see the vidis when I come up in November.

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Klaus

10-22-2003, 09:18 PM

Very cool... I like the license plate!

Klaus

"God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made them all equal."

buddy

10-22-2003, 09:53 PM

Bad ass terrain...definitely not you typical Florida soil..looks like tons of fun especially the camping, beer and fishing, it doesn't get any better. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HappyJack

10-22-2003, 10:44 PM

What a great set of pics. Looks like you had a ton of fun.

Cheers

DRTYFN

10-22-2003, 11:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
DRTY,

NAAAAAWWWWWCE!

BTW, My secretary likes the size of your fish(Did you pee your pants in that photo?).

"A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't have any kind of liquid related fetishes, do you? No that's not what you wish it was, it looks like a shadow. You nut-job. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

H2 Maverick

10-23-2003, 12:12 PM

drtyfn it doesnt look like ran the whole trail http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gifhow come. Just wondering. there is a great camp area at Buck Isle Lake and some pretty nasty stuff after that. Great pics though. Looks like like you had fun.

DRTYFN

10-23-2003, 12:33 PM

We didn't run the whole trail because there were a bunch of idiots shooting guns & rifles up the trail on Saturday morning and we didn't feel like taking any chances. Bullets do funny things when skipped off granite.
It turns out that it was one of the first weekends that the trail wasn't being patrolled by the sheriffs.

Buckeye Hummer

10-23-2003, 01:12 PM

Bravo for F*@#ing up your truck. It takes some nuts to actually take it out and use it they way it is supposed to be used. Don't worry about the damage underneath, it's there to be chewed up.

I took my new truck out yesterday with Steve and had a blast. Only a couple of gouges on the rocker panels. Billy has a handy dandy side rail that juts out about 4 inches. He designed one for the H1 and probably has one for the H2. I bet this would have saved your door???

DennisAJC

10-23-2003, 04:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
We didn't run the whole trail because there were a bunch of idiots shooting guns & rifles up the trail on Saturday morning and we didn't feel like taking any chances.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was probably a gang of squirrels up from Redding looking for you Drty. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

"A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words."

Loppy

10-24-2003, 02:55 PM

Outstanding! I would have loved to see that thing in action! The season is about over and my junk is going under the knife already for next years suspension mods. So next year my club and I are really looking forward to hitting the trail with you. I know RCRC is ready too. You did great and kudos to you for get'n on it.

Till next season...

Scars are tattos with better stories

DRTYFN

10-24-2003, 04:00 PM

I'll do the Rubicon again next year and I'll have some improved sidebars and frame protection. I'll also have magnetic shields and vinyl wrap protection for the upper part of the rig. And a better mount for my camcorder.

DennisAJC

10-24-2003, 04:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I'll do the Rubicon again next year and I'll have some improved sidebars and frame protection. I'll also have magnetic shields and vinyl wrap protection for the upper part of the rig. And a better mount for my camcorder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Drty, are you having side bars custom made?

"A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words."

DRTYFN

10-24-2003, 04:41 PM

Yep. Going to use the factory bars and add some extensions to them. If I would have done it before I went my rig wouldn't have suffered needlessly. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I'll be thinking about this all winter.

DennisAJC

10-24-2003, 04:58 PM

I think square tubing would fit the H2 better. Esthetically that is. Definitely would go heavier guage.

"You have a tawyt body...yesh yesh....tawyt...lawyk a tawyger"
- Yohan Van Der Shmut

DRTYFN

10-24-2003, 05:40 PM

OHHHH YOU LUCKY DOG!!! Are you really going to Moab? Take video and pull pics from it.

Buckeye Hummer

10-24-2003, 07:27 PM

Steve probably has some pics of Billy's Humvee with the side rails. They worked well for him on our last trail.

Yes, this is a call out Steve. Post a pic for us.

Zyx5432

10-25-2003, 12:06 AM

DRTYFN,

Just curious, what did you lower your tire pressure to for the rocky trails?

DRTYFN

10-25-2003, 01:45 AM

I used my Staun deflators to air down to 16psi. As you can see I'm running GY MTRs. They are the best offroad tire I've seen. Well worth the money. An overwhelming majority of the rigs on the Rubi were shod in MTRs also.

Hear that GY? Now pay me for that shameless endorsement. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Detonate

10-25-2003, 11:06 AM

The guys that made my bumpers are working on Rock Rails for the H2.

They should be pretty bad ass...

I'll keep you guys posted.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

hummer17

10-26-2003, 08:25 PM

DIRTYFN,

You must have nuts the size of those boulders and a wallet the same weight to f-up your truck like that with an apparent smile on your face.

Somewhere right now, a GM marketing exec is smiling that at least 1 H2 is being used the way they designed it to be used...

Well done, you'll find me crawling over parking bumps in the local supermarket parking lot (smaller nuts and wallet)

RubiKen

10-28-2003, 11:15 AM

Boy that really makes me want to take a cross country trip.

That photo of the campsite is AWESOME.. must have been very nice!

But, you are only kidding about breaking up the rocks, right?!?!?!?

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)

DRTYFN

10-28-2003, 02:51 PM

yes.... only kidding.... damnit.

Not "rocks", just one rock. And I don't see why I can't just break off the offending piece. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just kidding. kind of.....

Rubiken, where you from?

Cranky Steve

10-28-2003, 05:01 PM

Still blaming that rock for the line ya picked eh?

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RubiKen

10-28-2003, 06:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
yes.... only kidding.... damnit.

Not "rocks", just one rock. And I don't see why I can't just break off the offending piece. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just kidding. kind of.....

Rubiken, where you from?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

New Hampshire. We have some fun stuff to play with up here, but nothing like the Rubicon trail!

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)

Steve R

10-29-2003, 07:27 AM

DRTYFN,

I REALLY have to venture off from the main discussion area...I tend to stick there and not explore elsewhere.

Dude...seriously fantastic stuff, you've done us all proud. I've heard that most company's producing SUV's run their junk over the Con as a typical test....but these "made it through the Rubicon" rigs come out trashed and useless. It takes huge guts to run a pristine H2 through certain damage and come out so well.

The killer set-up on the rockrails is to have a solid plate that comes from the frame and extends 4" past the existing bars...then turns inward...solid!!! I'm sure we'll see lots of stuff coming down the line.

Tell me...do ya think a 2" lift would have been advantageous....or just kill ya on the side-slope/pucker and create more problems?

Cranky Steve

10-29-2003, 01:53 PM

If I remember correctly, we saw H2's on the Con before they went on the Market, so GM fully intended them to be capable of running a difficult trail.

It's kinda funny how untill you actuly run a tri; like the con, you don't think you need the rock sliders and additional skid plates on a wheeler. They make the differenace fo sho on the body damage.

What will be real interesting is with all the H2's selling so well, down the road when they are plentiful as used, I bet we'll see some some bad assed "Beater" H2 Trail rigs. I'm not talking about the show lift chromed out mall cruisers either.

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
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Detonate

10-29-2003, 02:06 PM

Stever, I'm guessing you haven't road around in a lifted H2 much.

I think this is the 3rd thread I've seen you mention worrying about the H2 flipping.

GM rates the H2 to a 40 degree side slope. Travis (hummerteam) took his 4" lifted truck on the 40 degree slope with no problem. I didn't ride with him, so I can't say how floppy it felt, but he probably ran that course 30 times at least and at no time did he hesitate on the slope.

However, Don took his Rubicon on the course and he only took his jeep to a 30 degree slope before he chickened out.

I know you don't think a 4" lift is the answer, but I'm telling you, it is!

4" Lift, 37" Xterrains, and a Front Locker, and you are golden.

If you still aren't convinced, please buy this stuff for my rig, as I'm a broke bastard, and I'll prove it to you. :P

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Buckeye Hummer

10-29-2003, 03:01 PM

Ok, so I just wrote a nice long response and when I hit post it timed out damn it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

In short: Take the same vehicle lift one, leave the other as is. The lifted vehicle will roll before the one that is not. Maybe you can still hit an intense side slope with the lifted truck but I doubt that it's higher center would match that of the one left stock.

DRTYFN

10-29-2003, 03:20 PM

After running the Rubi' I can tell you it would be very unwise to take a lifted H2 on it. There are a couple of spots where the H2 would lean just a little bit too much and rub on either trees or rock walls resulting in either body damage or broken windows.
A lift might be good for an H2 that runs mudholes and such, but IMO not for the tougher trails.
It does need some sturdier undercarriage protection for serious trails.

Buckeye Hummer

10-29-2003, 03:54 PM

I thought you had a little lift or is that just a bigger tire?

Steve has a stronger cage underneath that Billy built. It adds weight but it far more crush proof so you can drag over just about anything and stay low.

DRTYFN

10-29-2003, 03:57 PM

Just tires.
Any pics of the cage?
Who's Billy?

Buckeye Hummer

10-29-2003, 04:04 PM

Billy is Steve's buddy who has an off road shop and a wacked out Humvee. Steve can post a pic but they actually look exactly like the old cage but different material.

He built some really nice side rails too that I believe to be a "must have" for what you're doing. They will make you almost drag proof.

Cranky Steve

10-29-2003, 04:08 PM

If you have a decent Mig welder and can use it, Protection is really easy to fab up. Then you can build exactly what you want the way you want it

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Detonate

10-29-2003, 04:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
Ok, so I just wrote a nice long response and when I hit post it timed out damn it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

In short: Take the same vehicle lift one, leave the other as is. The lifted vehicle will roll before the one that is not. Maybe you can still hit an intense side slope with the lifted truck but I doubt that it's higher center would match that of the one left stock.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>On the same note, a lifted H2 will have more clearance than a non-lifted one.

That is obvious. However, a lifted H2 can still do the 40 degrees which is what GM recommends as the maximum for the non lifted H2.

The higher clearance coupled with the bigger tires gives you WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more benefits. Better approach, departure, more tire for traction on the rocks, better clearance, etc...

The slightly higher center of gravity is a minor issue.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Buckeye Hummer

10-29-2003, 04:25 PM

How does a lift give you more clearance?

Detonate

10-29-2003, 05:06 PM

You get to add bigger tires.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

DRTYFN

10-29-2003, 10:07 PM

Det,
Without increasing the track width I highly doubt the lifted H2 is really going to have the same sidehill capabilities as a non-lifted H2.
Let's say for sake of this arguement that that were true. On the Rubicon there were many times where I would be moving across a very dusty, slippery sidehill slab and start to slip sideways. I would NOT have wanted the extra height to have raised my center of gravity in those situations. It was a bad enough puckering attack as it was. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Steve R

10-30-2003, 07:06 AM

Hey Guys....gotta tell ya, I love this subject... as we are the innovators and trying to get better performance from this thing.

There can be no doubt, the higher you lift the vehicle....the greater you compromise side-slope stability....it's a pure trade-off!

I've been on many sideslopes where I've been thinking ANY lift would result in rolling. Seriously....I've been enough sideways that I'm not able to take a **** for days OR have to take some muscle relaxers!

Jim...I hear ya, better angles, more clearance....everything is good with the one exception of compromising side-slope stability. There is just no way around it....putting the weight up higher will essentially create greater leverage...the thing WILL roll over sooner. I also hear you about Trav doing the 40-degrees....but still....

Billy was making some noise about doing a body-drop of 3" and a suspension lift of 4"...now we're cookin'...but can it really be done????

As I see it, we have 2 angles to work: improve clearance AND brace for impact. We have to figure a way to get more clearance without substantially sacrificing stability....and we have to figure out some gnarly protection.

Billy makes his stuff from chrome-moly (sp?). It actually weights less and is several times stronger. My cage is way reinforced. We are also designing some side rockrails that actually are huge plates that extend from the frame all the way about 3.5" out (to replace the bars we have).

The bars we have use a sillyladder-like gussets to hold in place...these things get caught-up and whacked around. A smooth plating (like the H1 has) is more proper a choice.

Like I say....more clearance to avoid the contact AND more protection to absorb the contact. Some beefy-ass tie rods and some metal bumpers...and we're ready to rumble!!!

Dan

10-30-2003, 12:36 PM

What this tells me is that if Travis can do a 40 side-slope in his lifted truck, the stock height should be able to do more than 40. GM probably understated it a bit for a safety margin.

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Detonate

10-30-2003, 12:51 PM

Exactly Dan!

That was basically what I was trying to say. I fully understand the more sideways you go, the more important center of gravity is.

But having been on a 40 degree slope, I can't ever think of a reason why I'd ever need to be.

Not to mention that ever vehicle is different, and you should always choose the best line for your vehicle.

Maybe a stock H2 goes a bit sideways through an obstacle to avoid a rock that a lifted H2 would just go over.

I still think the lift is more important than the side slope, as we are STILL very wide. Also 37" Xterrains are another 1" wider than our stock 35's...

And out of all of the wheelers I've talked to, you guys are the only ones that think side slope is more important than clearance. I guess that's because most of these guys drive narrow track vehicles to begin with.

Which is my next point. The Jeep guys wouldn't even do the 40 degree sideslope at the track. And Jeeps do just fine off road without having to go crazy sideways.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

DennisAJC

10-30-2003, 02:07 PM

With the width of the H2 you guys are worried about a 4" lift????

Anyways with a lift, as Detonate put it, you can add bigger tires(don't know about the affects to the tie-rods) adding a little more width thus cancelling(well improving) the "Wholly **** I going over!" factor.
It would be a factor for guys who load up their Gobi's or the spare tire on top(or 2).

BTW like most companies, GM techs probably know the true "Tipping Threashhold" for the H2 and it ain't 40 deg. My guess more like 50-55. Dan was bang on. Range Rovers are at 40 also, go figure.

4" lift? That's nothing to break a sweat over with the width of our monsters.

4" of extra clearance? Hell I can leave my steps on!

Buckeye Hummer

10-30-2003, 02:46 PM

I guess it depends what you drive over. We are all in different parts of the country (a couple in Canada) so we see different terrain. We hit VERY steep slopes out here, in fact, just last week I struggled (and stopped) with my H1 to get up a very loose and very steep slope while out with Steve and a couple other guys. The other guys made it with a little hold the brake and pop the gas manuever I have yet to learn. I would NEVER do this with a lift without wearing a diaper. IT WOULD ROLL. In fact, Steve was talking to me on the radio trying to keep me from sliding to the right in fear that the H1 would roll (that's not easy to do).

You may be right that rock avoidance could cause the need to do the side slope but not out here. We have very deep rutted, steep and incredibly loose dirt and rock that tosses your truck all over the place. It's really nasty stuff and hard to gauge with it being so loose.

A few trips ago Steve attempted this completely ridiculous slope but could not gain enough traction to get up. It was scary to say the least to be at the bottom and watch him slide side to side wondering if his wheel was going to catch and roll. He's a good driver but a little nuts. Don't buy his H2 used http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

kdio

10-30-2003, 03:22 PM

Don't forget the backspacing on aftermarket rims also pushes the tires out, giving the truck a wider stance. I know my H2 is atleast 2 to 3 inches wider than stock.

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

Steve R

10-30-2003, 07:29 PM

Good thoughts, good thoughts....what I'm hearing is basically that the lift really isn't going to compromise the side-slope stability enough where it'll be a problem.

I'm 100%+ certain that the H2 desperately needs more clearance. You've all heard me bitch before how I've pulled up to a lifted Bronco or other lifted truck....looked eye-to-eye with them (same seat/cabin height).....and yet they have huge clearance under the rig and we just don't!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I've scraped and dragged my belly over lots of stuff. Being that clearnce is an issue 90% more ofthen the side-slope....it only makes sense to sacrifice a bit more side-slope to gain the clearace. This is the part where I say..."it's all a trade-off".

The only thing I'm also saying, and I think DRTYFN may agree with me.....is that there are instances where it just feels like sacrificing even a shred of side-slope stability would be hazardous!

I've always wanted to perform the ultimate test: putting the H2 on some kind of hinged side-moving table and see just where she'll give. I'd love to perform a test on stock, 2" lift and 4" lift......wouldn't that be fascinating!!!!!

Btw....watch your tire pressure on extreme side-slope: great way to pop a bead!

My own hunch is that a 2" lift with 37's is likely the most I'd go or suggest going.

Another ultimate solution might be to find a way to give ourselves the ultimate in flexibility: I say we borrow a page from the book of "low-riders" and get into some gnarly hydraulics that can raise & lower the rig! Control for all 4 corners!

Imagine...if you had a side-slope to the right....you could lower your left side and fully extend your right side! A computer could maintain & control the thing. Jack it up for rocks, lower it down when needed...etc.

I've only got one other problem...my rig fits into my garage with a mere 1/2" to spare. Any lift or even larger tires leave my girl out in the elements. Course, I could take off the useless racks, but I hate the looks w/o them.

Detonate

10-30-2003, 07:38 PM

I've been letting mine rot outside since 2 weeks after I got it.

I know I'm probably getting a lift. If not, I'm definately getting a roof rack. Either way my garage won't work.

I'd love a 2" lift on 37" 13.5 with a 4.5 backspaced rim. That would totally kick ass!

However, I'm willing to pony up to the 4"er if I ever get the cash.

You here me RANCHO!!! WE WANT A 2"ER!!!!!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Steve R

10-31-2003, 04:34 AM

You may want to shy away from the wheel offset....your gonna put a lot of undue stress on parts that weren't designed for it. Also....you'll start throwing rocks at your body with the tires sticking out like that.

I'd definitely stick with the 2" lift...then do this: torque your front-end up by cranking up the torsion bars, then put a shim under the rear height sensor.....that'll dial ya in for another 1" while moving the front diff up as well.

DRTYFN

11-05-2003, 05:45 AM

Still waiting for my buddy's tape with more footage of my H2.

HUMMERDOGG

11-05-2003, 07:31 PM

DRTYFN-

Finally read this thread today and saw the pics... (Don't know where I've been...) Anyways, very nice or as White Beast would say VERY NICE... (j/k White Beast) The reason for my post besides stroking your ego is that I saw the Zuki had what appeared to be the new Swamper IROK's. Am I right? And if so, what was your impression of them (I know from your post you love the GY), as well as, the guy who owns the Zuki running them? I'm thinking of putting those on the H2.

Thanks.

-HUMMERDOGG

*NO LONGER A member of the "No Hummer Krew"*

DRTYFN

11-05-2003, 08:30 PM

Yeah, you're right, I love my MTRs!! after seeing what they're capable of on the trail they'll be on my rims whenever I go offroad.
My buddy likes the Swampers and he runs them almost completely deflated. But even w/o air they hardly flex, at least in comparison w/ the MTRs. They are a very tough durable tire.

DRTYFN

11-05-2003, 08:54 PM

I just got off the phone with my buddy and he said the IROKs are bias-ply and are great for lighter rock crawlers, but are not recommended for heavy vehicles.

Detonate

11-05-2003, 09:12 PM

What the **** is up with this "HEY LOOK AT ME!!! I RAN THE RUBICON!!@! I'M THE WINNNNNAR!!!11!!! I'M BETTER THAN ALL YOU OTHER PEOPL!!S!!!"

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

DRTYFN

11-05-2003, 10:19 PM

You are soooo close to getting laid out in front of everybody. The only reason I've been civil to you is so I could buy your SMA guard. But you can stick it up your bitter ass, you grumpy prick!!! You're a close-minded ******* that shouldn't be allowed to come into contact with the public, let alone run a website for children.
It seems like everytime you come in here you've got a giant chip on your shoulder.

Detonate

11-06-2003, 02:17 AM

I'm not selling you my SMA guard anymore. I'm afraid you are just using it to get people to stare at you.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Detonate

11-06-2003, 02:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
It seems like everytime you come in here you've got a giant chip on your shoulder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now isn't that the biggest bit of hypocritical **** you've puke out of your cake hole.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

Detonate

11-06-2003, 02:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
It seems like everytime you come in here you've got a giant chip on your shoulder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now isn't that the biggest bit of hypocritical **** you've puke out of your cake hole.

Don't worry, you and your butt buddy friends don't bother me in the least with your 3rd grade insults. So "lay me out".

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
_Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

DennisAJC

11-06-2003, 02:40 AM

Detfag,

You are a two faced creepy ****. Go back to that Kiddy P$$n Web site of yours.

I sure when all the members see it, it`ll creep them out too.

I will follow you to the ends ma gay dick sucking friend.

NO MORE TRUCE.

5spd

11-08-2003, 01:03 AM

DRTYFN,
Give me a yell next time you come down to run the Rubicon. I would get the time off to run it with you, it would an interesting experience. I do like what pics you have up also. Not many H2s on it overall, so maybe you will start a new trend for the other owners.
After being gone for 3 weeks and getting back that was the 1st thing I was looking for (your pics) after getting bashed by you http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I had to "see" actual proof....haha
The 1st thing just about everyone does is add more side protection as you found out. Those granite rocks will always get you when you least expect it, same for your undercarriage as you well know now also, and the thing is you cant damage em back as Cranky Steve pointed out. We want to keep it open for everyone.
Super job you did with your H2 there.

DRTYFN

11-08-2003, 04:58 AM

5spd,
I think we're going to make another run at it next summer. But you never know, we might get inspired and have to do it sooner.
I'll definitely have a beefed up undercarriage next time. I'm going to start planning how to fortify things under the H2 next week. I'll try to post pics as I go.

It'd be great to get a bunch of guys to go, with all kinds of rigs.

Cranky Steve

11-08-2003, 05:17 PM

I know RCRC and RPS will be there to join in fo sho!

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

5spd

11-09-2003, 01:40 AM

Here is a shot of the wall that is a close call for some vehicles. DRTYFN only had shots after he was out of it, I think even in my truck you can see nothing but a granite wall for 30' or so.DRTYFN I know you had to be alot closer than this more than likely right?

DRTYFN

11-09-2003, 07:42 AM

I was within inches. If I would have folded my mirrors out they would have hit the wall. And going up it was dark by the time we got there. The rocks were really dusty and slippery and I hate leaning! Very high puker factor for me. I'm still making dogs bark for miles when I fart.

Buckeye Hummer

11-09-2003, 12:57 PM

The pic is deceiving. What is to the driver's right that takes you so close to the wall? Any more pics with the other side in view?

DRTYFN

11-09-2003, 02:58 PM

Look at page 2 , pics 3 & 4 of this post. Pic 3 shows the rock ledge that leans you into the wall. Pic 4 gives a better look at the depressions at the bottom of the wall that add to the puckering experience by dropping your nearest tire at the same time your opposite tire is getting boosted upward.
And again, pictures don't do it justice.

5spd

11-11-2003, 02:41 AM

Maybe this will help on how it tips you to the drivers side into the wall within inches. See how the boulders are angled and higer up on that side, they just tip you into the wall.

DRTYFN

11-11-2003, 05:35 AM

Wow!! It looks like a two lane road with your rig in there. It looks like you've got 2-3' of space. I think I might have had 3-4".
Damn you narrow shouldered rigs!! Now I see how fat chicks feel when they stand next to skinny chicks.

Buckeye Hummer

11-11-2003, 02:21 PM

OK, now that's a better pic. The first one was very deceiving and I'm sure the rock on the driver's right is larger than it looks but is dwarfed by the wall on your left. Explain now what is in front of you because that looks like an even bigger obstacle?

5spd

11-12-2003, 01:32 AM

OK, Now in front of the truck is a good step, if I recall its about 10" or bigger, and of course its slanted into the wall, its flat across the top but still good enough to tip all vehicles to the drivers side. I dont have a pic from farther back to show it though. I am glad for being thin, but still have enough rock rash from those unseens or "ah crap" I didnt look as close as I should of....hahaha

alecs wife

11-20-2003, 01:13 AM

Drtyfn...
very nice pics!!!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would love to go and wheel in the Rubi. I put a dent in my driver’s side door similar to yours. I agree that the H2 could use a beefed up underbody.

I love to wheel a lot and find my underbody taking a beating. I would love to see your new solution.

I take back the unsubstantiated comments I made about you in the other forum.

You are the REAL THING. Maybe we can hook up in the Rubi sometime.

PS I am part of the National Club and have attended these events without any damage.
Kinszlow
Winrock
I have been wheeling my truck for over a year and have not broken a tie-rod but, broke a front diff and a half-shaft. Wish I had pics

Good luck on your next trip.

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

DRTYFN

11-20-2003, 06:12 AM

R2,
No problem, we're cool. Sorry I jumped the gun on you, too. I was going to PT you, but this is better.

I'm going to be working on a few upgrades for the H2 in the VERY near future. I'll post pics as they're completed.

Also, I just got my buddy's video footage of our trip to the Rubi' so I'll have more stills soon. Plus, I'll finally start putting together a video. I'm just finishing one from a Hummer happening we just had out here. Total Mud-fest!!!

alecs wife

11-20-2003, 12:36 PM

Great!!!! I can't wait to see your pics and movie.

R2

Front Locker, Stealth winch, 37" Super Swampers SSR,low center of gravity = Ultimate H2

DRTYFN

10-28-2005, 02:10 AM

Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DennisAJC

10-28-2005, 03:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X2

The Wolf Pack stays together. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

NoMoGMPG

10-28-2005, 03:12 AM

Hmmmmmm... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

H2Finally

10-28-2005, 03:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>x 4

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif PEWTER POWER!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

h2co-pilot

10-28-2005, 12:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooh X 5...X 345Nicaraguan http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KenP

10-28-2005, 04:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know I'll be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ooooh X 5...X 345Nicaraguan http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And a Mexican. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

10-28-2005, 04:24 PM

And divide that by 4 Peruvian.

HummBebe

10-28-2005, 04:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Time to start thinking about running the Rubi' next summer. You know how time flies.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OOOH OOOH OOOH....... MEE TOO MEE TOO!!!!

H3OwnerDiz

10-28-2005, 11:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummBebe:
OOOH OOOH OOOH....... MEE TOO MEE TOO!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Wow, Hummbebe, an H3 on the rubi?

HummBebe

10-29-2005, 12:01 AM

Well, I think it's time....and I live so close....20 minutes from Ice House Rd.

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

4churchill

10-29-2005, 12:06 AM

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/5441097401/inlineimg/Y/Rainbow.jpg

That is all!!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

h2co-pilot

10-29-2005, 12:21 AM

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

dochummer

10-29-2005, 01:49 AM

ooh! ooh! me too! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ROX

11-04-2005, 09:57 PM

X6 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Crap, does this mean I have to camp? in a tent, with the bugs, and the dust,.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DRTYFN

11-04-2005, 10:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
X6 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Crap, does this mean I have to camp? in a tent, with the bugs, and the dust,.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For one night, you domestic little princess.

timgco

11-05-2005, 12:00 AM

Where/ when do we start?

Fubar

11-06-2005, 04:23 PM

got to agree with Dennis and detonate. philD walked over obstacles or make them look way too easy while we were in Moab. While the stocker h2's were tiptoeing worrying about some little rock jetting out, phil just drove over the darn thing. From the pics that Drty posted of the Rubicon trail there really is no comparison with anything we did in Moab so perhaps he is correct with his concerns about side slope but I believe having an extra 4 inches of body lift wouldn't hurt and may have allowed for a different line to be taken.

Drty, 4 extra inches would have put that rock dent in your lower rear door at or below your rock railshttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Case in point on Golden Spike where you guys went over that big crack. Just about all of you hit or drug your rear bumpers coming up out of the crack. An extra 4 inches of body lift would have prevented shearing off some your bumper.

_______________________________________________

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
With the width of the H2 you guys are worried about a 4" lift????

Anyways with a lift, as Detonate put it, you can add bigger tires(don't know about the affects to the tie-rods) adding a little more width thus cancelling(well improving) the "Wholly **** I going over!" factor.
It would be a factor for guys who load up their Gobi's or the spare tire on top(or 2).

BTW like most companies, GM techs probably know the true "Tipping Threashhold" for the H2 and it ain't 40 deg. My guess more like 50-55. Dan was bang on. Range Rovers are at 40 also, go figure.

4" lift? That's nothing to break a sweat over with the width of our monsters.

4" of extra clearance? Hell I can leave my steps on! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROX

11-11-2005, 08:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
X6 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Crap, does this mean I have to camp? in a tent, with the bugs, and the dust,.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For one night, you domestic little princess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Where exactly does this trail start and end? I need to get my bearings. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I have to plan, in advance, a suitable place to stop and have an adult beverage, potty break, by-passes and such, and let's not forget, helping someone with a bent/broken tie rod. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

11-12-2005, 05:35 AM

Eberyting you gonna need rahteer:
http://www.rubicon-trail.com/Rubicon/index.html

Fubar, there's spot on the trail that the extra height will definitely cause extra damage. I still have scratches on my roof from that run. There's also a couple of spots where the extra width of the lift & tires will cause some trouble.

DRTYFN

11-12-2005, 05:45 AM

Rubicon maps.
http://www.rubicon-trail.com/Rubicon/maps.html

HummBebe

11-12-2005, 02:00 PM

Are you going to hire Harald to take you all the way to Tahoe this time??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROX

11-12-2005, 02:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummBebe:
Are you going to hire Harald to take you all the way to Tahoe this time??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who the heck is Harold?

HummBebe

11-12-2005, 02:43 PM

Harald is the guy who runs a "training camp" for the Rubi.....see DRTY's first link and check out his rock crawling 101 class....you can drive it with your own truck or borrow one of his "G" class mercedes to drive. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

01-14-2006, 06:01 AM

More Rubicon info:
http://4wheeloffroad.com/eventcoverage/3311/

KenP

01-15-2006, 04:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
If you look closely you'll see that friggin' rock grinning. In hindsight we should have stacked more rocks next to "my" rock. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Stacked rock?! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Pansy.

BTW, love the chrome. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

DRTYFN

01-15-2006, 04:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
If you look closely you'll see that friggin' rock grinning. In hindsight we should have stacked more rocks next to "my" rock. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Stacked rock?! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Pansy.

BTW, love the chrome. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whore. We'll see who begs for me to trim to overhanging roof mauling limbs.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif