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RubiKen
10-29-2003, 10:47 AM
Is this driver error or too much damn torque?

Looks like it snaps the second that passenger side grips..



breaky breaky (http://sajeeps.billmcgaw.com/video/KilledIT_1.wmv)

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)
RubiKen
10-29-2003, 10:47 AM
Is this driver error or too much damn torque?

Looks like it snaps the second that passenger side grips..



breaky breaky (http://sajeeps.billmcgaw.com/video/KilledIT_1.wmv)

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)
SUTJim
10-29-2003, 01:46 PM
Hey Ken,

Welcome to the forum. Your new so you were'nt aware that that video has been talked about in past posts. I will let the experts on this forum reply with an explaination of that video.

Tie-rods snapping are common on all types of off-road vehicles. Someone just happened to catch a good shot of one snapping on the H2. Since the H2 has more HP and torque than most off-road vehicles it would be nice if GM made beefier tie-rods. I even think someone is working on after-market ones. For owners who don't off-road that much the stock tie-rods should be more than efficient.

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner
RubiKen
10-29-2003, 02:02 PM
It's a pretty scary video. How in the world do you get it out of there in that condition.

Basically your answer is "yes" Driver error and too much torque?

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)
SUTJim
10-29-2003, 02:10 PM
In my opinion "Yes" a little of both. If I was in the same situation I probably would have snapped the tie-rod as well. I think when the wheels start to slip, don't gun it, go easy, and wait for the wheel to lock. I also believe the H2 needs beefier tie-rods.

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner
SUTJim
10-29-2003, 02:11 PM
Also, I think I read that someone was carrying spare tie-rods.

Current Chevy Avalanche owner,
future H2 SUT owner
AlamoJim
10-29-2003, 02:13 PM
This was discussed in much detail in another thread...the right combination of factors will cause failure in ANY vehicle.

but the 2 big factors IMO: excessive skinny pedal, and where the hell was his spotter?
Buckeye Hummer
10-29-2003, 02:44 PM
Rubiken,

Do you have pics of your Jeep Rubicon on the trail? What part of the country are you in?
RubiKen
10-29-2003, 06:43 PM
Just one pic so far.. I forgot my camera once, and the wife was too scared to take pics the other time..


I'm up in New England.

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/4031/playing.jpg

Had it hood deep in water and scratches before I even took the temporary tags off.

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)
Dan
10-29-2003, 06:54 PM
Whereabouts in NE?

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Buckeye Hummer
10-29-2003, 06:57 PM
That's cool. I see you are driving around in the wet mushy stuff, very different from what we have here for now.

It looks like Jeep did a good job on the Rubi. I am very curiuous to go out with one and see how it does.

What is the fording depth on your truck?
RubiKen
10-29-2003, 07:15 PM
The air intake sits on the passengerside, about 12" behind the headlight right at hood level.. So I'd guess if that stays dry, you can go that deep.. Maybe 3'.

It would be interesting to run with some Hummers. I wouldn't be worried about getting stuck, I'm sure one of your rigs could pull me just about anywhere.

On the class IV roads I've been on, I don't think a hummer could make it though.. the trails are just too narrow.


I'm in Nashua, but have only hit the trails up in the central part of New Hampshire.

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)
Buckeye Hummer
10-29-2003, 09:39 PM
Actually if you travel with Rick in his H1 you will notice how the trail is wider after he goes through. You will also notice a custom paint job of neatly placed scratches all the way down the side as well as a few major dents that some boulders managed to push that aircraft aluminum the wrong way http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's all good as long as he goes first.

BTW, I doubt a Rubicon would get stuck. That short wheelbase really helps over certain terrain that's why I want to see one in action.
Steve R
10-31-2003, 04:28 AM
Rubiken...

That video is a proven fraud. It was just altered around using a video editing program! The loud clank you heard was an audio track taken from a cabinet door being slammed.

Damned if that video hasn't earned a place in history, perhaps it should be referred to as the "tie-rod snap heard 'round the world"

Dollar-per-value, the Rubicon is a tight machine. Hardcore jeepers bash it (for some reason???)...but you can't buy a more formiddable off-the-shelf toy for rockcrawling.

NOT the choice for a family outting or anything more then 2 guys looking to shred terrain....but concentrated fun for sure!

Jeep...it's what's for dinner! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
RubiKen
10-31-2003, 01:27 PM
Now you guys are sounding like the Iraqi Information Minister that we all came to know and love this summer http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3703/rubisigb.jpg (http://www.7slotgrille.com)
DennisAJC
10-31-2003, 01:48 PM
LOL,

I can still picture that guy, telling the reporters that they repelled the American Bandits 100 miles away from Bagdad while in the background buildings were blowing up, Iraqi troops were running the other way. That was classic!
DRTYFN
10-31-2003, 02:11 PM
I have to tell everyone that that video is a fake. It's actually the sneaky Toyota techs testing their newest Sequoia disguised as an H2. Sneaky little bastards!!
Buckeye Hummer
10-31-2003, 02:51 PM
I just want to explain to everyone that this tie-rod video was a fraud, a farce, a facade a skit put on by none other than Japanese auto makers to fool you into thinking an H2 could break on the trail. It simply didn't happen. There wasn't even an H2 on that trail, not even an H2 within 100 miles.
ShaggyX
10-31-2003, 03:22 PM
I am so confused right now. Are you guys being serious when you say that video is a fake??? i think sleep deprivation (spelling?) is starting to get to me, but i do remember being there to see and hear the tie-rod snap in person.
Buckeye Hummer
10-31-2003, 03:31 PM
I must be more firm this time. There is nothing breakable on the H2. The video is not real and actually does not exist either. What you see has been created by your imagination and is actually an implant in your brain done by alien beings called Iranians. When you wake up you will remember nothing.
DennisAJC
10-31-2003, 05:36 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! Man my day has been made!

Thanks Buckeye.
RockYoda
11-03-2003, 06:44 PM
I think it has more to do with the GM traction control system and less with driver error. The system let the front wheel spin too fast before it engaged and locking both front wheels. If there was no front traction control system there would have been no breakage. If the system dected the slipping at a much lower speed and engaged sooner there would have been no breakage. Also if there was a mechanical locker in the front diff that was driver contoler the tie-rod would have not broke. Just my thoughts...
Detonate
11-03-2003, 06:51 PM
That was my thought exactly RockYoda. You can see the system engaging and causing traction to hit that front passenger wheel. It basically callapses on itself.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
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HummerGirl
11-03-2003, 10:55 PM
I tell ya that Rubicon is really nice! We went to look at one for my husband...LOVE the silver!!!

~amy
White 2003 H2
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