is the H3 a real Hummer?

[bender]

i love my new H3. that said, i have to admit that i know little about the hummer and its history. i traded in my BMW M3 for this beast and i am getting bashed by a lot of people on the other forums i go to. its been called a trouble prone american vehicle all the way to a fake hummer.

so, i ask you this...

1. is the H3 really a hummer and why? i mean, its a GM.

2. how does one argue the point that the H3 is a real hummer?

yes, i am a little to old for boy-ish online fights, but as an avid car/truck enthusiast it would be nice to have some good solid arguments when a heated discussion/debate occurs.

thanks!!!

[bender]

i love my new H3. that said, i have to admit that i know little about the hummer and its history. i traded in my BMW M3 for this beast and i am getting bashed by a lot of people on the other forums i go to. its been called a trouble prone american vehicle all the way to a fake hummer.

so, i ask you this...

1. is the H3 really a hummer and why? i mean, its a GM.

2. how does one argue the point that the H3 is a real hummer?

yes, i am a little to old for boy-ish online fights, but as an avid car/truck enthusiast it would be nice to have some good solid arguments when a heated discussion/debate occurs.

thanks!!!

[H3H]

I'd be interested too. I guess where does AMG fall into the H3 picture?

[PARAGON]

1. Yes, yes it is.

2. It says so right there on it.

H3H - AMG is a Mercedes company. I believe you are referring to AM General the company that that GM licenses the Hummer name from.

[mstams]

Since you asked, here is a little Hummer history. You should probably memorize this since you now own one...

http://www.lynchhummer.com/History.html

[H3H]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
1. Yes, yes it is.

2. It says so right there on it.

H3H - AMG is a Mercedes company. I believe you are referring to AM General the company that that GM licenses the Hummer name from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what I meant by AMG, not the in-house tuning company for MB (Mercedes-Benz).

[crop000s]

The best way to win an argument
is to just,
1. smile
2. turn around
3. and walk away

[richk]

All Hummer's after the H1 are built in the spirit of it's tradition. Given the recent Q&A with the new marketing director for Hummer it's obvious GM is being careful that any new vehicles that get the Hummer name have real off-road capabilities and are in keeping with the original H1's tradition. All Hummers originated from the military's High Mobility Multi-Purpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV). Even the Hummer name is an english corrected/derived version of the military abbreviation.

[VTSTOMPER]

I agree with crop000s...It it just not worth your time. I get that with the H2, and I imagine everyone gets it here and there. Some people just do not understand that we bought them because we like them... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[HUMMER H3 4 ME]

THIS IS A REAL HUMMER!!!!!!!! Of course it is better around town but it is fantastic off-road aswell. Exterior styling is "HUMMER." Off-road Performance is "HUMMER" and so is everything else. People dont like the fact that HUMMER is growing. You see, the daddy H1 as just discovered viagara.

[ckhagman]

Hell even an H1 has been said to not be a real hummer depending on the year. An H1 is only a true Hummer when it is a '92 so I have heard given its mechanical 6.2 engine and little to no electronics.

The best defense is offense. If some tells you that it is not a real Hummer ask them to proce it to you. You do not have to prove anything. They say it has the same engine. Tell them the differences (I think there are some). They say that it has the same frame. Hell a if you make a brail version of the picture of the colorado and H3 frame you could tell how much different it is.

[H3Lady]

Here's your ammmo....

Vertical Scaling Height 16.0 in. SAME AS H2

Side Slope Capability 40.0% SAME AS H2 & H1

Grade Capability 60.0% SAME AS H2 & H1

Water Fording Depth 24.0 in. @ 5 mph MORE THAN H2

WHAT MORE...IT'S A HUMMER.

[HummerBuck]

I was in the Walmart parking lot when a guy in a VW Bug made a comment about the H3 not being a real Hummer. I pointed to my Spare Cover (Hummer H3) and told him if he thought it was false advertising, sue GM.

I then showed him the climbing ability by climbing and crushing his VW. (Well, that's what I thought about doing, but didn't. My insurance doesn't cover that.)

It is a Hummer to me, and I make the payments.

[H3OH]

The proper response is...

"Nah, it's not a real Hummer. I got a REAL one from your girlfriend last night."

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerBuck:
I then showed him the climbing ability by climbing and crushing his VW. (Well, that's what I thought about doing, but didn't. My insurance doesn't cover that.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If only we were allowed to do that http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H3OH:
"Nah, it's not a real Hummer. I got a REAL one from your girlfriend last night." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great response but I am thinking I would be in big trouble if my wife heard me say I got one from my girlfriend http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[partsguy]

What makes a real Hummer...?
I always hear, The new crap that Aerosmith is
all sony telling them what to do and the old stuff was the real band.
I like the new stuff as much as if not more then the old.
H2,H3 just new stuff.
Toxic twins for today!
(The only way I can explain how I feel about the subject)
I'm not a groupie http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[CLAYDOG]

HMMWV- purpose built military off road vehicle- 10-15% off the shelf GM components (engine/trans/electrical) top of class off road performance.

H1 – Modified military exotic off road vehicle- 15-18% off the shelf GM components.
(engine/trans/electrical/AC) top of class off road performance.

H2- purpose built large luxury off road sport utility vehicle- 20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/some suspension) top of class off road performance.

H3- purpose built mid-size luxury off road sport utility vehicle-20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/ some suspension) top of class off road performance.

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CLAYDOG:
HMMWV- purpose built military off road vehicle- 10-15% off the shelf GM components (engine/trans/electrical) top of class off road performance.

H1 – Modified military exotic off road vehicle- 15-18% off the shelf GM components.
(engine/trans/electrical/AC) top of class off road performance.

H2- purpose built large luxury off road sport utility vehicle- 20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/some suspension) top of class off road performance.

H3- purpose built mid-size luxury off road sport utility vehicle-20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/ some suspension) top of class off road performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love it, I need to print those stats off and keep them in my wallet http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[ckhagman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerBuck:
I was in the Walmart parking lot when a guy in a VW Bug made a comment about the H3 not being a real Hummer.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was it a real VW bug. Either way if it was the new beetle you could have told him it is not a real bug. If it was an original beetle then you could have thanked him for polluting the environment.

[bender]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CLAYDOG:
HMMWV- purpose built military off road vehicle- 10-15% off the shelf GM components (engine/trans/electrical) top of class off road performance.

H1 – Modified military exotic off road vehicle- 15-18% off the shelf GM components.
(engine/trans/electrical/AC) top of class off road performance.

H2- purpose built large luxury off road sport utility vehicle- 20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/some suspension) top of class off road performance.

H3- purpose built mid-size luxury off road sport utility vehicle-20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/ some suspension) top of class off road performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

then who makes the other75-80% of our H3 parts?

[richk]

Looks like the parts in our H3 are going to start showing up in alot more new GM vehicles. I was looked at pics of some new vehicles coming up and I am seeing alot of our interior parts. Our knobs look like they are going to be standard equip.

[H3OH]

I had an additional insert that was in the little zip loc baggy that was in the glove compartment that listed where and what percentage the parts were from that made up the H3. I'll have to go dig it up, unless I tossed it.

[HummerNewbie]

I have got to pay more attention. I just noticed your Hummer grill and headlights in your sig H3OH. Very nice http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Steve R]

The fact is...the Humvee/H1 has some really neat & unique features that make the vehicle design distinct: Gear-driven hubs for crazy-huge clearance down the center & CTIS, which allows the tire pressure to be changed while driving. Along with the width, stance & clearance, these features really define the H1.

Does a vehicle lacking these features mean it can't bear the same name or give rise to the lineage of being a Hummer??? No, they are just different...but with differences come other advantages, improvements and qualities.

For a long time Porsches were mid-engine, air-cooled cars. When the 924 or 928 came out, did the Porsche community go nuts and condemn these models??? No, they are just different.

As Alec pointed out, the H2's and H3's are doing nasty-ass trails and kickin' butt offroad all over the place. Will they ever compare or keep up with a super-built, custom rock-crawler?? No....but then again, that rock-crawler sure as heck won't run you up the freeway at 85 mph in luxurious comfort, with Air conditioning and all the amenities of a Range Rover while carrying 6 adults.

All things considered, these Hummers are AWESOME...and dare I suggest so are the people who own/drive them.

As for those who question the authenticity of our vehicles....they should take a tip from momma, who often said "If you can't say something nice, then shut your F*#king pie hole". I think momma had a different way of putting it, but you get the point. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Very well said Steve. Especially the Momma quote http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Steve R]

Thanks HN,

Kinda reminds me of the good old days, long before the troll poachers became the kings of mayhem. Not that there's anything wrong with that. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CLAYDOG:
HMMWV- purpose built military off road vehicle- 10-15% off the shelf GM components (engine/trans/electrical) top of class off road performance.

H1 – Modified military exotic off road vehicle- 15-18% off the shelf GM components.
(engine/trans/electrical/AC) top of class off road performance.

H2- purpose built large luxury off road sport utility vehicle- 20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/some suspension) top of class off road performance.

H3- purpose built mid-size luxury off road sport utility vehicle-20-25% off the shelf GM components. (engine/trans/electrical/AC/ some suspension) top of class off road performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not too many people outside the auto industry use that phrase "purpose built." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I take it in your figures you are not taking into account the supplier supplied content that GM has outsourced for the H2 and the H3, or the panels on the H3. Just curious.

[Sharkster]

I got the H3, which is not a real Hummer.

I got a Porsche 996 Turbo, which is not a real 911.

I got a Porsche Boxster, which is not even a real Porsche.

I got sooooooo tired of these "not-a-real-blabla" discussion...



...I've decided to simply show em the finger. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[bender]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sharkster:
I got the H3, which is not a real Hummer.

I got a Porsche 996 Turbo, which is not a real 911.

I got a Porsche Boxster, which is not even a real Porsche.

I got sooooooo tired of these "not-a-real-blabla" discussion...



...I've decided to simply show em the finger. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

good point

i got a jeep wrangler that "wasn't a real jeep"

i got a BMW 325ci that "wasn't a real BMW"

i got the M3, paid a lot of money, and it "WAS A REAL BMW" ...then i got tired of it

now i have an H3 and you know what? its a badass looking SUV with the best off-road ability off the lot with no mods when compared to other brands.

[Sharkster]

@bender: Well, I still have all the cars mentioned above... but I simply found out that there is not ONE car, which fits ALL needs. In rainy or bad weather situations, I love to ride a big 4WD truck. Don't know why... but I like the feeling of a comfy and somewhat "protected" ride.

In autumn or spring or on long trips I prefer a fast sportscar... and in summer I miss a cabriolet... so my current config simply serves it all. What I don't need is a standard sedan, because it tries to be everything... and is NOTHING REALLY at the same time.

Before I got my H3, I had a Mercedes M-Class (ML 320) which was a bit quicker, but not as comfy, not as "protective" and not as good looking as the H3 is.

Anyway... I guess I'll go with my 3 car configuration for a long, long time... Simply because it makes me feel like I enter a new world, each time I get into another car.