Car won't start - windshield wipers going crazy [Archive]

kilo3031

11-17-2005, 03:42 PM

I started having trouble with my H3 about 5 days after purchasing the vehicle. Up to the point, I was completely satisfied with the vehicle.

The problem started when I switched my lights from auto to parking lights. This caused the engine to turn off. When I tried to turn the vehicle on, the windshield wipers starting going crazy and the engine would not turn. A light appeared on my dash (the light with a vehicle symbol with a lock in front of it).

The problem happened at a camp location 270 miles away from my home at midnight. I called onstar and they did not see any problems. I had to have my vehicle pulled to the campsite.

I tried turning on the vehicle an hour later and it turned on fine, no problem. I was able to ride the vehicle all day the next day, but the problem returned in the late afternoon. I left the car parked there and again was able to turn on the vehicle the next day.

When the problem happened again, I found that I was able to turn on the vehicle by turning off the exterior lights. As soon as I operated the windshield wipers or headlights, the vehicle would shut off (even during motion).

The next day I had the problem all day but was able to get home before it got dark (had to hurry because lights no longer come on without causing engine to shut off)

My vehicle has been sitting at the dealer going on its fourth day and they are baffled. No fix seems near.

What should I do? Can I make the dealer give me a new vehicle? Vehicle has been non-functional longer than I had it running normally. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

kilo3031

11-17-2005, 03:42 PM

fourfourto

11-17-2005, 05:03 PM

That sucks I hope they gave you a loaner.

First Hummer

11-17-2005, 05:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
I started having trouble with my H3 about 5 days after purchasing the vehicle. Up to the point, I was completely satisfied with the vehicle.

The problem started when I switched my lights from auto to parking lights. This caused the engine to turn off. When I tried to turn the vehicle on, the windshield wipers starting going crazy and the engine would not turn. A light appeared on my dash (the light with a vehicle symbol with a lock in front of it).

The problem happened at a camp location 270 miles away from my home at midnight. I called onstar and they did not see any problems. I had to have my vehicle pulled to the campsite.

I tried turning on the vehicle an hour later and it turned on fine, no problem. I was able to ride the vehicle all day the next day, but the problem returned in the late afternoon. I left the car parked there and again was able to turn on the vehicle the next day.

When the problem happened again, I found that I was able to turn on the vehicle by turning off the exterior lights. As soon as I operated the windshield wipers or headlights, the vehicle would shut off (even during motion).

The next day I had the problem all day but was able to get home before it got dark (had to hurry because lights no longer come on without causing engine to shut off)

My vehicle has been sitting at the dealer going on its fourth day and they are baffled. No fix seems near.

What should I do? Can I make the dealer give me a new vehicle? Vehicle has been non-functional longer than I had it running normally. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My guess would be the BCM module is cooked.My wipers and blinkers where screwed up one day and the dealer found the BCM module got wet.

f5fstop

11-17-2005, 07:43 PM

From a distance I would have to agree with First Hummer. The BCM controls all those functions. I would have thought the dealer would have replaced the BCM right away. They like to blame everything on the BCM and in this case it sure sounds like it has gone wacko (engineering term for malfunctioning).
Call Hummer assistance at the 800 number in your owner's manual.

First Hummer

11-17-2005, 09:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
I started having trouble with my H3 about 5 days after purchasing the vehicle. Up to the point, I was completely satisfied with the vehicle.

The problem started when I switched my lights from auto to parking lights. This caused the engine to turn off. When I tried to turn the vehicle on, the windshield wipers starting going crazy and the engine would not turn. A light appeared on my dash (the light with a vehicle symbol with a lock in front of it).

The problem happened at a camp location 270 miles away from my home at midnight. I called onstar and they did not see any problems. I had to have my vehicle pulled to the campsite.

I tried turning on the vehicle an hour later and it turned on fine, no problem. I was able to ride the vehicle all day the next day, but the problem returned in the late afternoon. I left the car parked there and again was able to turn on the vehicle the next day.

When the problem happened again, I found that I was able to turn on the vehicle by turning off the exterior lights. As soon as I operated the windshield wipers or headlights, the vehicle would shut off (even during motion).

The next day I had the problem all day but was able to get home before it got dark (had to hurry because lights no longer come on without causing engine to shut off)

My vehicle has been sitting at the dealer going on its fourth day and they are baffled. No fix seems near.

What should I do? Can I make the dealer give me a new vehicle? Vehicle has been non-functional longer than I had it running normally. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crazy question dude ,bare with me.Have you washed your vehicle before this using a high pressure spayer.

kilo3031

11-18-2005, 01:37 AM

I ended up giving up on the dealer that had my h3 for 4 days. I didn't take it to the original dealer I purchased from because it was located about 60 miles away.

I called the service manager before I took it to him and he gave me a better game plan than what these other guys were doing. I hope to see some results tomorrow.

The car was really acting up for them.

I also agree that the BCM should be the culprit. I also suggested they replace it. They claim that they checked with their computer and it should be fine.

I'll keep everybody posted.

H2Finally

11-18-2005, 03:57 AM

kilo, where r u? If in riverside, socal, give cerritos hummer a call.

kilo3031

11-18-2005, 12:54 PM

Well, I live in Riverside, Ca and purchased the vehicle in Pasadena. They gave me a great price I couldn't refuse, although it was pretty far.

There is a GM dealer in Riverside that is equipped to support hummers, but don't sell hummers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. They have worked on my brothers H2 a few times before and did a great job.

Cerritos is almost just as far and there is crazy traffic to get there and back.

H2Finally

11-20-2005, 02:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
Well, I live in Riverside, Ca and purchased the vehicle in Pasadena. They gave me a great price I couldn't refuse, although it was pretty far. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I bought mine there too. But never been back since. Cerritos Hummer was recommended by some here, and most at the socal forum. Been happy with em so far. Not the cheapest, but competent. Good luck on your repairs. If further problem, look for John in Cerritos (service writer), and Mike Sabarese (service manager, Hummer tech wizard).

kilo3031

11-21-2005, 01:12 AM

The dealer identified a module that controls the ignition that is causing the problem. They claim that it got wet and caused it to short out. I can't really say that I went through any major water, and if I did I didn't go fast.

Hummer claims this vehicle can go 5 mph in 24 inches of water. It would not be acceptable for this to happen again, especially since its so dangerous. Maybe they should have a recall if anybody else has the problem.

The dealer said it should be repaired by tomorrow.

f5fstop

11-21-2005, 09:12 AM

The module that controls the ignition is called the BCM. The BCM also controls the lights, the washers, and about everything else.
First Hummer asked if you had marker lamps...do you?
The BCM is in a pretty water tight area, and unless there is some leakage somewhere else, like mis-installed marker lamps, it should stay dry.
Most important thing is if there is a water leak, tell the dealer not to just replace the BCM, but to locate and repair the water leak. If not, you will be back again.
The H3 is designed to be as water tight as possible. If you don't have marker lamps, there could be a problem; as any man-made object can have.
Important thing is to get the dealer to fix the water leak...that is if it was really due to a water leak. Possibly, the dealer can't tell and just automatically blamed it on water.
Some dealers believe they have to blame it on something, rather than admit that it was due to something they can't explain. A BCM can go bad on its own, not a real problem, but again, man-made.

I have gone through deeper water, at a faster speed, and no problems here.

kilo3031

11-21-2005, 01:37 PM

I do not have any marker lights on the vehicle.

They made it seem that it was located somewhere near the back of the engine and that it wasn't the BCM.

Pismo is pretty sandy and the dealer also mentioned there was sand around it. It is not possible that pismo caused my problem, since the problem happened as I was getting to the beach. It did slightly rain on my way out there and I did go over a puddle.

I'll get all the details of the part and post what it is and where it is at.

Hummertech

11-21-2005, 04:41 PM

There have been several issues with the BCM connectors not toatlly latched causing similar problems to yours. I bet that's the problem.

f5fstop

11-21-2005, 08:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
I do not have any marker lights on the vehicle.

They made it seem that it was located somewhere near the back of the engine and that it wasn't the BCM.

Pismo is pretty sandy and the dealer also mentioned there was sand around it. It is not possible that pismo caused my problem, since the problem happened as I was getting to the beach. It did slightly rain on my way out there and I did go over a puddle.

I'll get all the details of the part and post what it is and where it is at. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Back of engine sounds like the PCM; however, the PCM is a water tight component, with water tight connectors. You can pour water on the PCM all day long and it won't affect it, and if the connectors are attached correctly, water will not get in. (We have had flood cars returned where the PCM was not affected. And I mean some cars where the PCM sat underwater in slime for a week.)
Besides, the PCM controls the engine outputs and receives information from sensors. I guess in the big scheme of things, if it went totally berserk, it could cause the BCM to go berserk too. Not sure, never seen this type of symptoms with a failed PCM.
I will say it is possible, but not probable, and I can say it is possible you have a PCM that, for some reason, was not water tight. As they say, if man-made it, it can mess up.

Important thing is hopefully it is fixed.

kilo3031

11-23-2005, 08:28 PM

I was told that the problem had been fixed yesterday. The service tech was not able to tell me what module(s) was replaced, but said that they are also replacing the ignition as a precaution. Why would they need to replace the ignition if they 'fixed' the problem?

Today I am told the problem is still happening. Its going to be 2 weeks now that the problem appeared. It was only working for 5 days.
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kilo3031

11-23-2005, 08:58 PM

I was just told that the PCM was the one that was replaced. I am now told that the BCM needs to be replaced, but that this part is nationally out of stock. GM is closed for Thanksgiving and they won’t have a status till next Monday.

Looks like I’m looking at least another week.

f5fstop

11-23-2005, 09:06 PM

Sorry to tell you, but it sounds like the dealership tech mis-diagnosed the problem.
They replaced the PCM, yet it could not cause the problems you mention (other than a no start), and usually a failed PCM will not damage a BCM.
The BCM if it fails can cause all the problems you mentioned, as well as a no start, since the BCM gives the OK to the PCM to allow the injectors to operate (part of the anti-theft feature, called PASSLOCK).
There is no ignition module. Therefore, I would bet the PCM was never at fault, and the BCM should have been replaced from day one.
Again, these are my thoughts, and it is hard to diagnose a problem when the problem is not in front of you.
However, all indications point to a technician who did something wrong.
I would demand that the dealer called the GM Warranty Parts Center (WPC) and tell them to get a BCM out to you...NOW.

partsguy

11-24-2005, 12:13 AM

Warranty parts center will not help!They just collect warranty parts and SO"s.to find chains of issues and correct them as quick as possible.
They need to get their APM (Area Parts Manager)
involved.The part should have been handled (if on back order)as the following....
1.Check local dealers(though O.E. connection)
2.Check PDC stock through Dealer world.
3.If no stock is avl call in a Spac case.(if they have done this, request the spac case number.
I do not think(not sure though) the BCM is on back order.Last I time I checked there is stock at PDC 621 livona MI.
Remember these couple of letters C.S.I and repete this to the service Mgr and I"m sure you will get your BCM as quick as possible .If it is truely on back order...Still make sure they are doing everthing in their power to resolve this!Get the SPAC number and the APM name.

First Hummer

11-24-2005, 12:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
I was just told that the PCM was the one that was replaced. I am now told that the BCM needs to be replaced, but that this part is nationally out of stock. GM is closed for Thanksgiving and they won’t have a status till next Monday.

Looks like I’m looking at least another week. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kilo , fstop is correct I am having similiar issues with my H3 about not being able to start.Mine has been in the shop since last Wednesday and they are still waiting on the BCM module to be delivered.They told me it was on backoreder.I think they should pull one out of an H3 on the lot and fix mine.

f5fstop

11-24-2005, 04:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partsguy:
Warranty parts center will not help!They just collect warranty parts and SO"s.to find chains of issues and correct them as quick as possible.
They need to get their APM (Area Parts Manager)
involved.The part should have been handled (if on back order)as the following....
1.Check local dealers(though O.E. connection)
2.Check PDC stock through Dealer world.
3.If no stock is avl call in a Spac case.(if they have done this, request the spac case number.
I do not think(not sure though) the BCM is on back order.Last I time I checked there is stock at PDC 621 livona MI.
Remember these couple of letters C.S.I and repete this to the service Mgr and I"m sure you will get your BCM as quick as possible .If it is truely on back order...Still make sure they are doing everthing in their power to resolve this!Get the SPAC number and the APM name. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True...but not exactly accurate. My neighbor and friend who moved at the same time from TN to MI, works in the WPC on Brown Road in Orion Twp, MI, and if there are shortages they can obtain and ship if required. They are first shippers of parts that are mentioned in bulletins in somce cases.
They also handle recalls and special bulletins (good example was the crank bolt washer on the LS2 when it was first released last year; they were responsible to ship them to Chevy dealers as vehicles came in).
There have been three Saturn bulletins that came by my desk for approval in the last five months that have stated for the dealer/retailer to contact WPC for the parts shipment.
They are responsible for most, if not all of the warranty parts return items; however, for special occasions, they can obtain parts.
They might not be able to obtain a BCM, if they are out of stock, not much anyone can do.
If I had a part number, I could do a GM Dealerworld search and see if the BCM is available.

partsguy

11-24-2005, 09:24 PM

In 22 years never heard that.Good to know.
I had a Headliner on a spac case for 6 weeks and the APM never said anything about WPC for obtaining parts.As far as the part number for the BCM..I"m in MD for the weekend but I wiil
check monday.I think it's not on back order but
limited stock avl at livonia and source.
Thanks for the info!

partsguy

11-28-2005, 01:01 PM

The BCM #15802495 not being built untill the end of this week and will not be shipped untill the week of Dec 5th.Make sure they have it on a SPAC case and get them to get their APM involved.
Not sure how WPC may help but,I would try everyone at the dealership who will listen.
Only chance before that date would be to steal one from a stock unit.

kilo3031

11-30-2005, 03:52 AM

PCM was originally replaced - obviously didn't resolve the problem

BCM has now been replaced.

Waiting for Ignition switch, which according to the dealer caused my problem in the first place. I had been told that the ignition switch was going to be replaced last week. It wasn't

They have a SPAC on the part like they did for the BCM. They are currently trying to get a part off the assembly line, since they don't have spares on stock.

I am considering calling GM and making a complaint to see if they can help speed up the part delivery and also let them know of my overall disatisfaction.

f5fstop

11-30-2005, 09:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
PCM was originally replaced - obviously didn't resolve the problem

BCM has now been replaced.

Waiting for Ignition switch, which according to the dealer caused my problem in the first place. I had been told that the ignition switch was going to be replaced last week. It wasn't

They have a SPAC on the part like they did for the BCM. They are currently trying to get a part off the assembly line, since they don't have spares on stock.

I am considering calling GM and making a complaint to see if they can help speed up the part delivery and also let them know of my overall disatisfaction. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ignition switches are on backorder too? That I didn't know.
Just a note on the WPC. It is actually a UPS (or maybe a FedEx) site, filled with their employees and about a half-dozen GM people overssing the operation. Depending on the part, and the bulletins issued, they might ship out as many parts in one day as they receive.
From my understanding, they are to ship parts for certain bulletins and parts that are impossible to obtain. They also are the major point of warranty return parts, returned for inspection so that enginnering can see exactly why they are failing.
I will try and get a better explanation of this, when my friend returns from Vacation in TN. With the snow arriving, we "rednecks" need a night in the bar.

partsguy

11-30-2005, 10:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
PCM was originally replaced - obviously didn't resolve the problem

BCM has now been replaced.

Waiting for Ignition switch, which according to the dealer caused my problem in the first place. I had been told that the ignition switch was going to be replaced last week. It <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Someone is pulling your leg!This switch is not even in the EPC yet but ,If you look up the shear bolt for the housing there it is 89060589.Stock at every major warehouse.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>wasn't

They have a SPAC on the part like they did for the BCM. They are currently trying to get a part off the assembly line, since they don't have spares on stock.

I am considering calling GM and making a complaint to see if they can help speed up the part delivery and also let them know of my overall disatisfaction. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

f5fstop

11-30-2005, 12:34 PM

Hopefully, the dealer is talking about the ignition lock solenoid (10391401). Partsguy is correct on the ignition switch assembly.

partsguy

11-30-2005, 02:10 PM

14 at W/house 622 Burton,MI.f5fstop..Is there major problems
with this solenoid? I do not stock them but,I will If there is.
There is very little out of the box warranty issues unlike anything I've seen from GM.I only stock 4X4 modules and sway bar
links.
It a good vehicle from a warranty stand point."bad for service"

stevomc

11-30-2005, 04:15 PM

hi from germany

i have the same problem. i have got my hummer some days ago. i had the problem on saturday the first time. today ma engine went off at a traffic light. :-( nobody can help me in germany ...

and i have the problem with the temperature gage .. it goes to the middle then to low and to the middle again when the rpm is going up and down...

:-( plz help me

greetz from germany

stevo

f5fstop

11-30-2005, 09:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partsguy:
14 at W/house 622 Burton,MI.f5fstop..Is there major problems
with this solenoid? I do not stock them but,I will If there is.
There is very little out of the box warranty issues unlike anything I've seen from GM.I only stock 4X4 modules and sway bar
links.
It a good vehicle from a warranty stand point."bad for service" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, nothing on the warranty horizon in regard to the solenoid. Just guessing that the dealer ordered one, but said it was a switch.
Yes, so far this vehicle is good on warranty costs, but from what I have seen, it will be a bugger to work on some of the engine components.
Interior components are fairly easy; not like the SSR where it can take up to three hours to R&R a radio. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What are you guys doing about wiper blades and arms? I want to put a set of winter blades on mine, and when checking the specs I almost laughed for an hour. 16.7 driver's side, 15.7 passenger side. I have no problem with different sizes, I just laughed with the odd measurements; which I comfirmed. I do believe a 17 and 16 will fit, or at least by my crude measurements outside in the freezing weather shows they will.

f5fstop

11-30-2005, 09:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stevomc:
hi from germany

i have the same problem. i have got my hummer some days ago. i had the problem on saturday the first time. today ma engine went off at a traffic light. :-( nobody can help me in germany ...

and i have the problem with the temperature gage .. it goes to the middle then to low and to the middle again when the rpm is going up and down...

:-( plz help me

greetz from germany

stevo </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a defective cluster and probably the same problems that other have had on this thread.
All I could recommend is a trip to the dealer.

stevomc

12-01-2005, 03:57 AM

hi,

i will go to the dealer this afternoon.

this morning i tried 2 different things:

1. i started the engine and drove to my office. then i stoped the engine. within 15 seconds i tried tzo start the engine again. but it didnt start. when i pushed the acceleartion pedal it came up and the engine was running with abou 1500 rpm.

2. i stoped the engine again after about 2 minutes running. then i let it cool down for about 5 minutes. i tried to start the engine and it started purfect.

what is that ?

but i will go to the dealer later...

thanks and bye

stevo

partsguy

12-01-2005, 02:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partsguy:
14 at W/house 622 Burton,MI.f5fstop..Is there major problems
with this solenoid? I do not stock them but,I will If there is.
There is very little out of the box warranty issues unlike anything I've seen from GM.I only stock 4X4 modules and sway bar
links.
It a good vehicle from a warranty stand point."bad for service" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, nothing on the warranty horizon in regard to the solenoid. Just guessing that the dealer ordered one, but said it was a switch.
Yes, so far this vehicle is good on warranty costs, but from what I have seen, it will be a bugger to work on some of the engine components.
Interior components are fairly easy; not like the SSR where it can take up to three hours to R&R a radio. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What are you guys doing about wiper blades and arms? I want to put a set of winter blades on mine, and when checking the specs I almost laughed for an hour. 16.7 driver's side, 15.7 passenger side. I have no problem with different sizes, I just laughed with the odd measurements; which I comfirmed. I do believe a 17 and 16 will fit, or at least by my crude measurements outside in the freezing weather shows they will. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well in the past(my Chevy days I would ramp up on A parts(wipers, sheet metal,filters etc)but have not even thought of things with the H3.exc filters of course.I have see only quality in this model and it's killing me http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I"ll look into it and get you a brand name and number.
Oh you should move outta that state and come south to sunny Pa!

kilo3031

12-01-2005, 11:54 PM

Still no update on my vehicle. Its now been close to 3 weeks and my vehicle hasn't been fixed.

I just got off the phone with GM customer services and they opened a case for me. They contacted the dealer but not much has been done. The dealer is still waiting for the part. It seems there is no way to expedite repair of this vehicle.

I am supposed to be contacted by a case manager but I'm not sure what that is going to do for me.

I'm extremely unhappy with GMs ability to repair a brand new vehicle they sell and advertise so heavily.

Their motto should be "If its broke, we can't fix it"

First Hummer

12-02-2005, 01:01 AM

I feel your pain Kilo as I to waited 2 weeks to get my vehicle back.I was told that the BCM module suppose to be released week of Dec 5th.Sounds like you are getting the same run around I got for 2 weeks.Plus when they gave it back to me they screwed up my remote starter.I am not very happy with they way they treated me.GOOD LUCK DUDE.

f5fstop

12-02-2005, 09:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partsguy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partsguy:
14 at W/house 622 Burton,MI.f5fstop..Is there major problems
with this solenoid? I do not stock them but,I will If there is.
There is very little out of the box warranty issues unlike anything I've seen from GM.I only stock 4X4 modules and sway bar
links.
It a good vehicle from a warranty stand point."bad for service" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, nothing on the warranty horizon in regard to the solenoid. Just guessing that the dealer ordered one, but said it was a switch.
Yes, so far this vehicle is good on warranty costs, but from what I have seen, it will be a bugger to work on some of the engine components.
Interior components are fairly easy; not like the SSR where it can take up to three hours to R&R a radio. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What are you guys doing about wiper blades and arms? I want to put a set of winter blades on mine, and when checking the specs I almost laughed for an hour. 16.7 driver's side, 15.7 passenger side. I have no problem with different sizes, I just laughed with the odd measurements; which I comfirmed. I do believe a 17 and 16 will fit, or at least by my crude measurements outside in the freezing weather shows they will. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well in the past(my Chevy days I would ramp up on A parts(wipers, sheet metal,filters etc)but have not even thought of things with the H3.exc filters of course.I have see only quality in this model and it's killing me http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I"ll look into it and get you a brand name and number.
Oh you should move outta that state and come south to sunny Pa! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trico makes winter blades in 16 and 17, and these should fit. Problem is I can't find anyone local who carries Trico, it seems it is all Bosch or Anco, with some unknown names mixed in.

kilo3031

12-06-2005, 12:36 AM

At what point can I say that GM has taken to long? I grow more frustrated every day. The dealer and GM just don't have any customer service. I don't buy vehicles everyday or even every year. This was a huge investment for me which has not paid off.

The dealer has stopped giving updates because, "they have no status". What can I say is reasonable to expect from the dealer?

What can I do? Does this happen all the time? Is this common at the dealers?

First Hummer

12-06-2005, 12:13 PM

you are still waiting on BCM module?

kilo3031

12-07-2005, 12:02 AM

Supposedly they replaced the BCM (I highly doubt it). They had been looking for an ignition switch before the BCM, which still hasn't arrived.

I was told by GM today that the part could not be pulled off the assembly line or off another vechicle because it was a VIN specific part (whatever that means).

As a customer, I don't really care where they get the part. I am tired of being told its not in stock. I'm sure thousands of the part I need have been made since my problem started.

f5fstop

12-08-2005, 07:47 PM

BCM is not VIN specific, until it is programmed into the vehicle. So, I don't see why they couldn't ship one from the plant.
Switching between two cars may or may not be possible. Not sure, but I do know some GM vehicles can't be swapped due to being VIN specific, and once tied to a VIN, they cannot be switched to another vehicle.
They can be returned and rebuilt by Motorola, Bosch, whoever manufactured it, and then it is like new...no tie to a VIN.

evldave

12-09-2005, 01:09 AM

Kilo-

Question: I know you want to drive your rig, but your dealer is giving you a replacement daily driver, right? Why not ask for an upgraded replacement (maybe an H2?) in return for all the hassle. Can't hurt, and you never get what you don't ask for...

HUMTECH

12-10-2005, 05:22 AM

I have seen 3 h-3's with similar problems. Get the dealer to check the connectors under the UBEC, they are a push to seat connector and have seen some not seated properly causing all kinds of wierd problems. They need to be pulled upwards and locked into place and then the UBEC can be installed carefully to seat the connectors.

4churchill

12-11-2005, 04:23 AM

if you need anything further I can get you in at Parkway HUMMER, they are our sister store!!!

kilo3031

12-12-2005, 02:45 AM

The dealer said the problem was initially caused by a bad ignition switch, frying the BCM. BCM was replaced 1 1/2 weeks ago. Ignition switch is supposed to get there tomorrow. Hopefully this fixes my problem.

HUMTECH

12-12-2005, 11:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hummertech:
There have been several issues with the BCM connectors not toatlly latched causing similar problems to yours. I bet that's the problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have to agree with Hummertech just had one in and found 9 stretched pin grips in BCM connector, replaced grips and all is fine.

kilo3031

12-14-2005, 12:18 AM

WORST DEALER EVER!!!!

My Vehicle is still not fixed. I have been told it was the BCM they were waiting for and then the Ignition switch. Now we are back to BCM. Either way, the part isn't there!!

All GM and the Dealer know is that its on a truck between here and Michigan.

The Dealer has not made any effort to keep me updated. It isn't even guaranteed that this is going to fix my problem.

GM told me the part was supposed to get there on Monday.

kilo3031

12-14-2005, 09:30 PM

The BCM has arrived and the problem continues. They have replaced the PCM, BCM, and ignition switch.

I asked them to check the connectors to the UBEC and BCM and to replace the grips. I am told that this has been done.

At this point I don't want the vehicle anymore. There is no way I can trust GM's troubleshooting and their ability to fix this vehicle. This is a huge safety issue.

I am going to demand a new car. I've been waiting for 5 weeks now and this cannot continue like this.

I know I have much more frustrations ahead of me.

First Hummer

12-14-2005, 10:12 PM

you might want to find what the Lemon Law is in Cal.

PARAGON

12-14-2005, 10:23 PM

This all sounds like BS. If it's not BS you're a dumbass for not taking it to a Hummer dealer for the warranty work, regardless of how bad traffic is or how far away it is. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

First, you crank a vehicle. You don't "turn it on." You would drive it, not ride it. The engine dies not "turns off."

Then there all of the inconsistencies with the dealers among numerous others that are too many to list.

3 out of 10

kilo3031

12-14-2005, 10:33 PM

The vehicle was at a non-hummer dealer for 3 1/2 days. Its been at the hummer dealer since. Almost 5 weeks total.

I don't have time to make up stories and really this has taken to much of my time. I don't have time to call this dealer everyday. So whether you believe it or not, this is the case.

PARAGON

12-14-2005, 11:59 PM

This is from your first post. You obviously have too much time. Move on, sport.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kilo3031:
My vehicle has been sitting at the dealer going on its fourth day and they are baffled. No fix seems near.

What should I do? Can I make the dealer give me a new vehicle? Vehicle has been non-functional longer than I had it running normally. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>