HID Headlights for your H2

[md_sailor]

Finally Here is the real deal! High and Low beam Conversion and it does not cost an arm and a leg. I have Done the 1400.00 Delta HID and the longest THEY went without failing was a 2 week period. the 3rd time they failed I pulled them and sent them back. This looks like the ticket and my set is in the mail.
http://www.xtralights.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2\

Technical specifications:

Bulb Type: 9007
Color & Light Output:HID Bulb Color Temperature
(Kelvin) Light Output
(Lumen)
Golden Yellow 3000K 3400 (Brightest)
Crystal White 4300K 3300
Diamond Blue 6000K 3200
Deep Blue 8000K 3100
Violet Purple 10000K 3000

Life Span: Over 3200 Hours
Voltage Range: DC 10V-16V
Rated Voltage: DC 13.2V
Rated Current: 3.2A
Output: 35W
Working Temp: -40 to 105 F
Reverse Connection Protection: Yes - No damage to ballasts & bulbs)
Short Circuit Protection: Yes - Lock protection against continuous & long-time short circuit
Open Circuit Protection: Yes - Recover when reboot, lock protection in 0.2s after open circuit
Water & Weather Proof: Yes - 100%
High Voltage Test: GND:500Vdc/1 min>10mA
Isolated Resistance: GND > 100M Ohm
Dimensional specifications:

Ballast Module: 2.75" x 2.75" x 1.25"
20" wiring harness to igniter
24" wiring harness to power source

Factory Warranty:

2 years, except 1 year for bulbs

[md_sailor]

Finally Here is the real deal! High and Low beam Conversion and it does not cost an arm and a leg. I have Done the 1400.00 Delta HID and the longest THEY went without failing was a 2 week period. the 3rd time they failed I pulled them and sent them back. This looks like the ticket and my set is in the mail.
http://www.xtralights.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2\ (http://www.xtralights.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2\)

Technical specifications:

Bulb Type: 9007
Color & Light Output:HID Bulb Color Temperature
(Kelvin) Light Output
(Lumen)
Golden Yellow 3000K 3400 (Brightest)
Crystal White 4300K 3300
Diamond Blue 6000K 3200
Deep Blue 8000K 3100
Violet Purple 10000K 3000

Life Span: Over 3200 Hours
Voltage Range: DC 10V-16V
Rated Voltage: DC 13.2V
Rated Current: 3.2A
Output: 35W
Working Temp: -40 to 105 F
Reverse Connection Protection: Yes - No damage to ballasts & bulbs)
Short Circuit Protection: Yes - Lock protection against continuous & long-time short circuit
Open Circuit Protection: Yes - Recover when reboot, lock protection in 0.2s after open circuit
Water & Weather Proof: Yes - 100%
High Voltage Test: GND:500Vdc/1 min>10mA
Isolated Resistance: GND > 100M Ohm
Dimensional specifications:

Ballast Module: 2.75" x 2.75" x 1.25"
20" wiring harness to igniter
24" wiring harness to power source

Factory Warranty:

2 years, except 1 year for bulbs

[kodiakz]

The pic you have posted is for a low beam set only. The bi-xenon's use a motor to lower a shield and allow the same light/beam to project further down the road. Check this out: http://www.xenondepot.com/product.php?product_id=37
We have done quite a few of these on H2's as of late and have not had any problems with them. They are easy to install, use oem style projectors (which really sets them above the typical bulb only replacements), and are truly high/low beam in one sealed unit. The ignitor is internal and you cimply mount the ballast right next to the light and plug it in--no need to run any extra 12v wires as you do with the retro kits.

[PARAGON]

Anything that simply replaces the bulb and uses the stock reflector assembly is going to leave you in want. The stock buckets are just cheap and crappy and do not do a good job of handling the beam with any bulb replacement.

If you want to get HIDs, get something that replaces the whole assembly, buckets and all.

[H222]

this kit is very similar to the one i have on my truck. to everyone who thinks you need expensive projector housings or for that matter high beam has not seen these bulbs in action. say what you want but these kits are inexpensive and crazy effective. along with my hummer i also replaced the H4 high beam in my G35 (along with an upgraded 6000K bulb in the factory HID location) with these on it throws a beam, no kidding, like a mile down the road. even my 89 EF civic hatch has this a set and they throw out crazy amounts of light with headlight assemblies that are over 15 years old. bottom line HID kits even if they are just bulb replacement work very well

[PARAGON]

Sorry, you are a little mistaken. I, personally have indeed seen them in action. They were the only thing available back in 2002 when I bought my truck and they sucked. I ended up getting Sylvania Xenarcs. Not projector, not expensive and with halogen high-beams. Simply put, the stock buckets on the H2 do not diffuse the light worth a crap.

If you like your setup, fine. That's all that matters for you.

[Beastmaster]

Here's my take on it....

If you're going to spend the money on a HID Bulb/ballast upgrade, you're better off spending a few dollars more and upgrade the reflector assembly as well.

The HID Bulb/Ballast upgrade with the stock reflectors will work better than the stock bulbs. You will get some increased light on the road. Cost - the cost of the HID Bulb/Ballast combo. This combination WILL throw more light onto oncoming traffic.

If you did a HID Bulb/Ballast and Reflector upgrade with a DOT spec Hella H4 (Part # 70477), you'll get a really good effective light combination. Cost - the cost of the HID Bulb/Ballast combo and 80 bucks for upgraded DOT/SAE spec reflectors. This combo will not throw as much light onto oncoming traffic.

If you did a HID Bulb/Ballast and Reflector upgrade with a E-Code spec Hella H4 (Part # 40476), you'd get very good to excellent light coverage that nears dedicated projectors. Cost - the cost of the HID Bulb/Ballast combo and 80 bucks for the upgraded E-Code spec reflectors. This combo will throw the light on the road and up towards the right hand side for sign lighting.

Of course, going to something like the XE7 type projectors gives you the absolute best combination, since they have tuned glass that compliments and enhances the output of the bulbs. That's the most expensive combination.

Just my .02. I'm doing the E-code spec thing once I get some additional wiring upgrades done on my truck.

-Steve

[kodiakz]

Projectors produce a far better light pattern than do any of the retro kits (I have personally sold and installed many of both and sell the exact kit referenced above). The retro kit is a huge leap over the oem flashlights, but tends to give an 'everywhere' or sloppy light refraction pattern and wastes a good portion of what is produced. Projectors do just that--project the light exactly where needed while not blinding oncoming traffic. If you want bang for the buck, do the retro kit, but if you want the best possible lighting solution to date, nothing beats true projection HID (for driving anyway--I am sure there are some dirivng around with 50 bazillion candlepower light bars!!).

However, I do believe that many states and the federal dot have recently passed laws making it illegal to put HID's on any vehicle that did not come from the factory with them. All the dealers that were selling kits in the US closed or moved up north of the border (at least the ones we dealt with).

[Beastmaster]

The crappy light pattern is due to bad reflector and glass pattern designs. Blame the DOT and SAE for using a 1950's era spec in the 21st Century. No matter which bulb someone uses, bad light patterns plus more light output equals a crappy light pattern.

I've seen good quality reflectors (I love Hellas because they work great, and have excellent light positioning and patterns) work very well with retro kits. The Vision Plus (DOT/SAE Spec) is nice, but the E-Code spec is killer with a decently built retro kit - as long as the bulbs are within the 5800 to 6200k range.

As for the new laws - it's mainly to help reduce glare complaints. Again, if the headlights were decently done, it didn't matter what bulb was in it. Pattern and light aiming is the key - not the bulb. But then, the politicians always know what's best for us anyways....right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kodiakz:
Projectors produce a far better light pattern than do any of the retro kits (I have personally sold and installed many of both and sell the exact kit referenced above). The retro kit is a huge leap over the oem flashlights, but tends to give an 'everywhere' or sloppy light refraction pattern and wastes a good portion of what is produced. Projectors do just that--project the light exactly where needed while not blinding oncoming traffic. If you want bang for the buck, do the retro kit, but if you want the best possible lighting solution to date, nothing beats true projection HID (for driving anyway--I am sure there are some dirivng around with 50 bazillion candlepower light bars!!).

However, I do believe that many states and the federal dot have recently passed laws making it illegal to put HID's on any vehicle that did not come from the factory with them. All the dealers that were selling kits in the US closed or moved up north of the border (at least the ones we dealt with). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[NJ H2]

I happen to have a set of Hella Projector Bixenons, retrofitted to my OEM housing. I have 0 problem with light scatter. The lght is bright and white with a very nice cut off. Back a few years ago there were no other housings available so I had to use the OEM. Although I have no complaints about mine if I were doing it now I would try to locate a better housing (if there is 1) and I would stay with the projectors!
my .02
http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01552.jpg

low beam:
http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01564.JPG

High beam:
http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01565.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01542.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/1_DSC01536.jpg

[W1N]

NJ H2,

would you provide the product number for those. Those like first real bi-xenons I'we seen around for H2.

Thanks!

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NJ H2:
I happen to have a set of Hella Projector Bixenons, retrofitted to my OEM housing. I have 0 problem with light scatter. The lght is bright and white with a very nice cut off. Back a few years ago there were no other housings available so I had to use the OEM. Although I have no complaints about mine if I were doing it now I would try to locate a better housing (if there is 1) and I would stay with the projectors!
my .02
http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01552.jpg

low beam:
http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01564.JPG

High beam:
http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01565.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/DSC01542.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/benza/h2hellabixenon/websize/1_DSC01536.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yours are not using the stock reflectors to diffuse the light though. Yours is still a true projector style and are using the buckets just to "hold" the light assembly in place.

I forgot about your setup. Mine are not projectors and there are hot and cold spots. I have projectors on my Denali and the light pattern is smooth. I like the way yours looks and will go that route when something happens to one of my Xenarcs.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
NJ H2,

would you provide the product number for those. Those like first real bi-xenons I'we seen around for H2.

Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://hidtech.com/projects/04hummer.html

[md_sailor]

This Item Has High and Low Beam as an option. I have ordered them. Simply go the ordering page and Select the High and Low from the drop down you can also select the Color of the beam you desire at that point. These are one third the price of the Deltas. They are also guarnteed Waterproof, There is a Video showing these being put into a fish tank with live fish in it While Lit. I'm sure if you go to the site and elplor the options manu of you will be as SOLD as I was. I have first hand experience with the delta product and would never go that route again.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by md_sailor:
This Item Has High and Low Beam as an option. I have ordered them. Simply go the ordering page and Select the High and Low from the drop down you can also select the Color of the beam you desire at that point. These are one third the price of the Deltas. They are also guarnteed Waterproof, There is a Video showing these being put into a fish tank with live fish in it While Lit. I'm sure if you go to the site and elplor the options manu of you will be as SOLD as I was. I have first hand experience with the delta product and would never go that route again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I got a set of the Delta reverse lights and continue to have nothing but problems with them. They can take a beating and took a good one in Moab, but the bulb is not grounded properly causing me to need to go in and rewire it so that it doesn't quit burning periodically.

Apparently, Delta products leave a lot to be desired.

As far as your HIDs, the biggest problems is that the stock headlight buckets do not spread ANY light very well. So it really doesn't matter how good a bulb you put in it. But, some here are happy with theirs and you may be with yours.

[md_sailor]

Sorry about the Typo's Coffee has kicked in and my fingers are wandering.....too much caffene

[md_sailor]

Jesus....Caffeine http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[md_sailor]

I agree on the buckets Paragon, But we can all agree that Stock is grossly inadequate for the Hummer. Brighter HAS to be better even if its not as well focused as it could be.

[md_sailor]

While i am on the subject of the DELTA HID's I'll mention another Pet Peve I had with the system. They Tout their Austrian Cut crystal lens's http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Has anyone else noticed that they send 2 Left lenses? They are asymmetrical. When I was tuning them at night with the beams shining on the Garage Door there was a obvious dead space at the Bottom right pattern of the passenger side beam. You would think that for 1400.00 they could afford to buy Left and Right Crystals?

[Sportsdude]

Please provide feeback once you install it. Thank you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by md_sailor:
Finally Here is the real deal! High and Low beam Conversion and it does not cost an arm and a leg. I have Done the 1400.00 Delta HID and the longest THEY went without failing was a 2 week period. the 3rd time they failed I pulled them and sent them back. This looks like the ticket and my set is in the mail.
http://www.xtralights.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2\ (http://www.xtralights.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=2\)

Technical specifications:

Bulb Type: 9007
Color & Light Output:HID Bulb Color Temperature
(Kelvin) Light Output
(Lumen)
Golden Yellow 3000K 3400 (Brightest)
Crystal White 4300K 3300
Diamond Blue 6000K 3200
Deep Blue 8000K 3100
Violet Purple 10000K 3000

Life Span: Over 3200 Hours
Voltage Range: DC 10V-16V
Rated Voltage: DC 13.2V
Rated Current: 3.2A
Output: 35W
Working Temp: -40 to 105 F
Reverse Connection Protection: Yes - No damage to ballasts & bulbs)
Short Circuit Protection: Yes - Lock protection against continuous & long-time short circuit
Open Circuit Protection: Yes - Recover when reboot, lock protection in 0.2s after open circuit
Water & Weather Proof: Yes - 100%
High Voltage Test: GND:500Vdc/1 min>10mA
Isolated Resistance: GND > 100M Ohm
Dimensional specifications:

Ballast Module: 2.75" x 2.75" x 1.25"
20" wiring harness to igniter
24" wiring harness to power source

Factory Warranty:

2 years, except 1 year for bulbs </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[md_sailor]

I will... with pictures

[NJ H2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
]Yours are not using the stock reflectors to diffuse the light though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but there may be a better housing available now which might be better. Something with a glass cover might be better.

[kodiakz]

Perfect HID bi-xenon for H2:

[kodiakz]

Another

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kodiakz:
Another </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, those are the XE7's. Those are the best replacements (like I mentioned - projectors are the best option). I think they run about 1200 bucks a set.

[Sportsdude]

I'm waiting for the company to fit the H2 with these.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/sportsdude/Xe7R20single.jpg

[kodiakz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think they run about 1200 bucks a set. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, they are only $700 a set http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kodiakz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think they run about 1200 bucks a set. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, they are only $700 a set http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LINK- DO NOW!!!

[kodiakz]

http://www.xenondepot.com/product.php?product_id=37
Here ya go. By the way, what are you doing to your dog in that avatar of yours???!!!!lol http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[dochummer]

NJH2, how difficult were those HID's to install? If you didn't do it yourself, how much did it cost to do it? Thanks...

[NJ H2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dochummer:
NJH2, how difficult were those HID's to install? If you didn't do it yourself, how much did it cost to do it? Thanks... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually they are plug and play with the exception of mounting the ballast right next to the headlight. I didn't do the retrofit or the install myself because we were not even sure if it could be done. I brought the H2 directly to HIDTECH in NY on a chance they could do it. So they took care or everything. The cost was 1 LARGE but well worth it IMO. I am not sure if they still charge that. The guys HIDTECH are great! I'm sure they would answer all your questions. My experience with them was terrific! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[kodiakz]

Slight mod needed to both the bucket and the hole in the hood where it sits. I have done a few now and can do both in less than an hour. One suggestion to anyone getting these lights, we had a few probs of moisture getting onto the projector so we took them apart and siliconed everything and all was well again!

[dochummer]

Could you post some pics of the modifications required? I'm thinking about doing this myself...but want to make sure I'm not getting in over my head...

Otherwise, how much would it cost to have someone do it?

[JohnnyRPM]

I'd be interested in some of these details as well.

....since I have a set on their way to me this week. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

-John

[kodiakz]

I'll get you guys some pics this weekend. But if you have a wire crimper, a file, and maybe a dremmel you are set. Really not hard at all. An air dremmel makes the job doable in about an hour and looks perfect.

[ARH1956]

I,ve had the Delta HID's for 6 months with zero problems. Good light pattern, easy install, well designed package.

[md_sailor]

Count yourself lucky! I went through 2 bulbs 1 ballast and one control unit as well as having water in the passenger headlight both times it rained in a 3 week period

[Sportsdude]

Just checking for updates, thanks.

Anyone have these lights installed?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/sportsdude/Xe7R20single.jpg [/QUOTE]

[Beastmaster]

Who makes those?

[Sportsdude]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beastmaster:
Who makes those? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Xsighting. Here's another photo.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/sportsdude/Xe7R_dimensions.jpg

[Beastmaster]

Finally dug up some stuff on this. It's part code is the XE7R (for reflector).

Very nice. Very, very nice. Sad part - it's not out yet. The local Harley shop said that it's not coming out until later this month.

[kodiakz]

Projector is always superior to reflector. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beastmaster]

I won't disagree with you there.

[Nixxxster]

Does the XE7R have projector?

[kodiakz]

The XD7 referenced above does.

[Beastmaster]

Well, I just completed the HID retrofit writeup/article on the H1. My end cost after all the parts (excluding personal labor) is $315.

http://24.248.84.138/hummers/headlights/McCulloch_G5_HID_retrofit.htm

Really cool upgrade! And killer lighting pattern!

-Steve

[VTSTOMPER]

these look cool!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H2-HUMMER-SYLVANIA-XENAR...temZ8019042277QQrdZ1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H2-HUMMER-SYLVANIA-XENARC-HID-HEADLIGHTS-X6O24_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQitemZ80190 42277QQrdZ1)

[Beastmaster]

Those look like the first generation Xenarc X6024's. They work, are DOT rated, but create a bit of a hot spot at the middle, with some peripherial light scattering on the side.

[VTSTOMPER]

ah poo.

I miss the Denali lamps (projection) I had in my sierra. I added a set of Hella ballasts with Philips Utilion bulbs (6000K). I was so happy with that set-up.

I then tossed some in my yoda, but there was tons of wasted light. (reflection)

I would like to do the H2 with some projections like others have done here, but I will wait on it. I have other things to do first! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You set-up looks good BTW Beastmaster! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beastmaster:
Those look like the first generation Xenarc X6024's. They work, are DOT rated, but create a bit of a hot spot at the middle, with some peripherial light scattering on the side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Great lights but you have to aim them properly yourself. You eliminate the hotspot in the middle, but it still has some hot/cold spots thoughout.

The price is too much since they are not making those any more and there are better options. 3 years ago, that's all you could get that would work decent.

[PARAGON]

Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route.

[Beastmaster]

I've updated the page. I was asked by another owner to show the pattern and coverage while being further back from an object or a wall.

I've been able to do that. Now you're able to see the coverage from side to side as well as how the spot up in front of your vehicle shows up using these lights.

Same link:
http://24.248.84.138/hummers/headlights/McCulloch_G5_HID_retrofit.htm

You'll see the new stuff on the bottom.

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks! It took me about a year of experimentation to come up with this setup.

I really can't see how we all have to deal with crappy headlights. Halogens and DOT specs make for a really bad combination.

The question is - would someone buy it if I ever offered it for sale? My cost was $315. If I sold them for say, $350, would it be worth it?

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
ah poo.

I miss the Denali lamps (projection) I had in my sierra. I added a set of Hella ballasts with Philips Utilion bulbs (6000K). I was so happy with that set-up.

I then tossed some in my yoda, but there was tons of wasted light. (reflection)

I would like to do the H2 with some projections like others have done here, but I will wait on it. I have other things to do first! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You set-up looks good BTW Beastmaster! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. It's kinda funny - my wife's sedan has E-Code spec headlamps. I like driving that at night because of the superior lighting pattern. Not anymore!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

E-Code Hella's combined with the low beam only HID capsules worked out far better than I thought they would. It's good enough that I rarely need highbeams now. And I haven't gotten flashed at all.

I still want to see pictures like what I did with the wall aiming shots with projector units. The XE7's definitely pique my curiosity, but the dimensions require me to literally destroy the headlight buckets to run them. Not something I cherish doing.

Besides, doing what I did for the price I did them for, I think it's a killer upgrade that will give huge gains. And, it's easy enough to do on nearly any truck with a 7" headlamp.

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh - dumb question. Do you still have any pattern pictures of when you were running the X6024 Sylvania's?

-Steve

[Sportsdude]

MD_SAILOR, did you get your light set?

[Mr. I - Man]

Check these out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bi-Xenon-HID-Conversion-...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bi-Xenon-HID-Conversion-Kit-Dual-bulbs-H4-9004-9007H-L_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36476QQitemZ801975444 0QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V)

[Beastmaster]

Most Bi-Xenons aren't dual bulb versions. Fascinating!

[kodiakz]

Those are strange!!! All bi-xenons I have ever seen only have one burner in the bulb, and just flip up a motorized cutoff plate to allow more light out when the brights are turned on. I guarantee that those are not dot approved!!!

[Beastmaster]

And it's got separate ballasts/ignitor sets for each bulb. So you end up with 4 ballast/ignitors.

I can't see high beams really being useful unless they stay on all the time. But ouch - 70 Watt HID's per reflector? Wow. You'll never need anything else.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beastmaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Unless you were doing the projector, clearly Beastmaster's setup is the best route. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh - dumb question. Do you still have any pattern pictures of when you were running the X6024 Sylvania's?

-Steve </div></BLOCKQUOTE>They're still in there. I'll have to remember to do a picture this weekend. I guess I could search and see if I have a picture on here. Seems like I put them in around the first of '03 or so.

PhilD also did them and figured out how to tap a hole to get to the other aiming screw to get them set right. I kept taking them in and out a couple of times and got lucky on the aiming.

[Beastmaster]

I took some time to calculate what those dual bulb HID H4's would create. The units listed on eBay are 6000k bulbs.

6000K HID bulbs = 2500 lumens per capsule. 2x2500 on low capsule + 2x2500 on high capsule = 10000 lumens out of both headlights.

In comparison:
60/55w Halogens = 1500 lumens per bulb on either low or high. 2x1500 on low + 2x1500 on high = 6000 Lumens.

80/80w Halogens = 1900 lumens per bulb on either low or high. 2x1900 on low + 2x1900 on high = 7600 lumens.

5000k HID = 3000 lumens per bulb. 2x3000 on low = 6000 lumens (which equals stock halogens with BOTH low and high turned on).

So - if (and that's a big if) you were able to get ALL the light efficiently onto the road and into a useable pattern with that eBay special, you would have quite a bit of light - who needs additional lighting?

[Mr. I - Man]

Thats what I was thinking and 70watts is not that bad considering some jackasses are run 80/100 watt piaas in their OEM buckets. Only H4's have the motorized cutoff(or a cut-off between the filament on halogen H4 bulbs). 9007 have side by side filaments so in theory they will work perfect in the OEM buckets with no mods.

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
They're still in there. I'll have to remember to do a picture this weekend. I guess I could search and see if I have a picture on here. Seems like I put them in around the first of '03 or so.

PhilD also did them and figured out how to tap a hole to get to the other aiming screw to get them set right. I kept taking them in and out a couple of times and got lucky on the aiming. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh. Cool. The reason why I'm curious is because Allan Madar's picture is taken with photographic equipment that's a bit older, and therefore not as adjustable via PhotoShop.

I need to beat on NJ H2 next and have him get me high res pics of what he posted. Those are probably the best garage shots of the XE7's I've seen yet. There's a couple of jeepers that did the XE7 projector upgrade, but their stuff was all final install shots and no garage wall shots.

Thanks!
Steve

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr. I - Man:
Thats what I was thinking and 70watts is not that bad considering some jackasses are run 80/100 watt piaas in their OEM buckets </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but those 80 watt PIAA's are only putting out 3800 lumens. 6000k HID's put out 5000 lumens.

So, for 70 watts of draw, you're able (if you can get the high/low beam to do BOTH at the same time) to put out 10000 lumens of light. That's painful....and yet very, very fascinating! I know that even with the high cutoff range of the Hella E-Codes, there would be a TON of light leakage with both high and low beams on at the same time.

If I didn't have this spare HID set that I'm waiting for a fellow Hummer owner to pay for (on vacation right now), I'd get one of them and swap these in place of my McCulloch's.

You know, I just thought of what I just said. High beams will leak light anyways past the horizontal glare line - so who cares? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beastmaster]

The more I think about these units, the more ideas I come up with.

Take this eBay special, and put the capsules into a PIAA 525, which is a dual beam H4 based lamp. Wire them up to give you the ability to turn on the high and low beams of the capsules (and their respective ballasts and ignitors) separately. If you did that, combined with ANY of the HID setups, you'll have:

HID Headlamps - 6000 lumens total
PIAA 525 HID mod low beams - 5000 lumens total
PIAA 525 HID mod high beams - 5000 lumens total.

That combination will then crank out 16000 lumens, in a controllable low beam/high beam/low and high beam auxilary light, with either low only HID reflectors or low/high projectors.

That amount of lighting is equal to 10 PIAA 520's putting out a mere 1500 lumens each (roughly).

All with only two auxiliary lights in the front. Nice, huh? And a total draw of about 17.5 amps. (35 watts per ballast x 6 ballasts = 210 watts of draw. Divide by 12. 17.5 amps is the draw). Compare that to 45.8 amps for the 10 PIAA 520's [(55w x 10)/12].

-Steve

[Nixxxster]

Check this site they make custom projection HID. NJ H2 have a set. Theu look pretty good and are Bi-Xenon projector.

[Nixxxster]

Sorry forgot the site http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.hidtech.com/

[Mr. I - Man]

Riddle me this? If the projectors are so superior to reflectors. Why do the Baja buggy and Trophy trucks rock the reflector HID setup.

I don't see any projectors on those vehicles, you would think if they were a better light source they would use them. They would save a lot of space a weight.

[ree]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beastmaster:
The more I think about these units, the more ideas I come up with
...
-Steve </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Steve,
How does all this lumen stuff relate to candlepower. Putting on lights recently, I researched state laws for home and surrounding states and they all have statutes talking about 300 candlepower limits on all lights in operation. Isn't candlepower luminous intensity? How can you get from a manufacturers rating wattage and lumens ratings to candlepower accurately, or can you?

Basically, are these statutes ancient cruft or something that the states can actually prosecute you on?

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr. I - Man:
Riddle me this? If the projectors are so superior to reflectors. Why do the Baja buggy and Trophy trucks rock the reflector HID setup.

I don't see any projectors on those vehicles, you would think if they were a better light source they would use them. They would save a lot of space a weight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Projectors give better light patterns, but technically aren't as durable. They rely specifically on optic precision to help generate their light pattern.

Reflectors are far more durable. Free Form reflectors with clear lenses will outperform any other light in terms of durability.

That's why all off road units tend to use reflectors.

[Beastmaster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ree:
Steve,
How does all this lumen stuff relate to candlepower. Putting on lights recently, I researched state laws for home and surrounding states and they all have statutes talking about 300 candlepower limits on all lights in operation. Isn't candlepower luminous intensity? How can you get from a manufacturers rating wattage and lumens ratings to candlepower accurately, or can you?

Basically, are these statutes ancient cruft or something that the states can actually prosecute you on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's kind of crap. Here's the relationship.

Lumens is a definition as to how bright a light is. It's measured within a device called an "integrating sphere", and identical lights will have nearly identical lumen values.

Candlepower is a measurement of the amount of light intensity based upon a specific distance. It's also dependent on how focused the beam is and how far away your measurement tool is from the light source.

Candlepower figures are useful only when you have lumen figures to compare with it. For example:

You have a KC Hilite HID light that's pencil beam, and you have another KC Hilite HID light that's driving beam. The Pencil beam and driving beam both use the same D2S bulb, so both have the same lumen rating.

However, the Candlepower settings are different. Pencil gives you 3 million CP, the driving beam gives only 750k CP. The difference is the focus.

So CP really is how intense the light focus is given a specific area, Lumens is how bright the light actually is based on the bulb itself.


Correction - Pencil gives 600k, Driving gives 75k.