diesel swap

[blindzebra]

I was wondering if anyone had thought of dropping a diesel engine in your H3. Is there one small enough out there? Let me know if you know of one.

[Anti-BlInG]

In my dreams...:)

[HummerNewbie]

Haven't heard of anyone doing it but also wouldn't expect to see it happen before they start getting beyond the warranty period.

[Anti-BlInG]

Theres rumor of an H3 Alpha in 2008...some say they add a turbo to the I-5, some say a diesel, others a v8 or v6. As of now its unclear, but they definately are looking for more power.

[PARAGON]

I was wondering if anyone had thought of dropping a diesel engine in your H3. Is there one small enough out there? Let me know if you know of one.Duramax

[Anti-BlInG]

Do tell more...Paragon.

[k9tim]

Duramax

Now that would be nice!!!!!

[Hummer Guy]

Duramax
only needed a 2 inch lift in the H1 to fit it...but my guess is it'd fit in the H3 if you pushed hard enough...you may want two people pushing..

[Anti-BlInG]

3 1/2 should do it.:D

[blindzebra]

if the duramax would fit, would the allison trans? If that did, would you need a better transfer case? difs?

[RIC-H0]

if the duramax would fit, would the allison trans? If that did, would you need a better transfer case? difs?
You'd need a whole new drivetrain, a new front end, different steering, all new electronics, and not to mention, a bottomless wallet.

I would think the chances on getting a duramax are as good as Santa bringing me a 28yr old centerfold nympho for Christmas!:D

[PARAGON]

only needed a 2 inch lift in the H1 to fit it...but my guess is it'd fit in the H3 if you pushed hard enough...you may want two people pushing..I didn't say Duramax 6600, I simply said Duramax. Isuzu has a small, efficient, already-approved diesel that could easily become a smaller Duramax for the H3.

[rkcrawl]

Jeep did it in the liberty and couldnt give them away. to much money and it didnt even get that much more miles per gallon at all.i think it was like only 2 or 3 more in miles and cost so much more.

They are selling. Jeep isn't pushing them all that hard, as its an consumer educational issue. Its a small diesel that has pretty decent numbers. Ford talked about a V6 diesel in their half ton pickups for a while, something like that would be NICE in a H3.

[f5fstop]

I didn't say Duramax 6600, I simply said Duramax. Isuzu has a small, efficient, already-approved diesel that could easily become a smaller Duramax for the H3.

How about a 5-cylinder Duramax, inline? Remember, the European market will get a diesel.
The Alpha will not have a turbo or a diesel.

[PARAGON]

The Alpha will not have a turbo or a diesel.Nope, probably a 5.3L V8 :D

[Hummer Guy]

How about a 5-cylinder Duramax, inline? Remember, the European market will get a diesel.
The Alpha will not have a turbo or a diesel.

How similar would it be for a US made? I heard they euro version wouldn't meet US standards and couldn't be sold here...

[f5fstop]

Nope, probably a 5.3L V8 :D

:D :D

[f5fstop]

How similar would it be for a US made? I heard they euro version wouldn't meet US standards and couldn't be sold here...

Not sure, haven't received one yet, supposed to in the next few months. CA has the toughest diesel requirements.

[Beastmaster]

With the new rules for 2007 diesels, emissions will be even more of a factor thanks to California and Massachusetts helping "lead" the way towards eliminating diesels from the market.

Sarcasm aside, the new rules for 2007 and onward set by the federal government (and based on CARB recommendations) help prevent large scale diesel upgrades. 2006 may very well be the last year that you can get a good diesel vehicle and not be hounded to death by the rule sets.

Most vehicle manufacturers that promote diesel (VW, GM, Ford, Mercedes, Daimler Chrysler) can only sell their vehicles in about 45 states (passenger vehicles). Trucks seem to have a 50 state capability for now...until ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel) comes through and you get a wackier situation where 2007 trucks have to literally hunt for ULSD stations.

Because of the stupid rulesets, many automakers won't take the time nor the hassle to do diesel vehicles. In Europe, where the rules are even stricter, they have good diesel vehicles and ultra low emissions. Too bad we can't follow the trend.

[PARAGON]

With the new rules for 2007 diesels, emissions will be even more of a factor thanks to California and Massachusetts helping "lead" the way towards eliminating diesels from the market.

Sarcasm aside, the new rules for 2007 and onward set by the federal government (and based on CARB recommendations) help prevent large scale diesel upgrades. 2006 may very well be the last year that you can get a good diesel vehicle and not be hounded to death by the rule sets.

Most vehicle manufacturers that promote diesel (VW, GM, Ford, Mercedes, Daimler Chrysler) can only sell their vehicles in about 45 states (passenger vehicles). Trucks seem to have a 50 state capability for now...until ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel) comes through and you get a wackier situation where 2007 trucks have to literally hunt for ULSD stations.

Because of the stupid rulesets, many automakers won't take the time nor the hassle to do diesel vehicles. In Europe, where the rules are even stricter, they have good diesel vehicles and ultra low emissions. Too bad we can't follow the trend.There are already diesels in development and soon-to-be-use that meet or exceed requirements. There are already diesels out that meet the 45 state requirements. In fact, DC is putting out a 3.0L CRD in a Grand Cherokee for the '07 model.

For the automaker, it's more of a demand issue. Diesels have never had widespread acceptance in passenger vehicles in the states, unless it was a tow vehicle.

[TheArchiTexan]

There are already diesels in development and soon-to-be-use that meet or exceed requirements. There are already diesels out that meet the 45 state requirements. In fact, DC is putting out a 3.0L CRD in a Grand Cherokee for the '07 model.

For the automaker, it's more of a demand issue. Diesels have never had widespread acceptance in passenger vehicles in the states, unless it was a tow vehicle.you live in a fairy land. Do some more research. And maybe if you look hard enough on the internet (since your on here all the time) you will see why the duramax will never be in the H3. Use your head.:rolleyes:

[Anti-BlInG]

Someone has a stick up his butttttt.

[Idaho-Hummer]

it's his time of the month. he been like that for the last couple of post now.

[TheArchiTexan]

it's his time of the month. he been like that for the last couple of post now.sorry im just tired of him making idiotic posts that are not true. I have friends that specifically build duramaxes, so im very knowledgable about diesels

[Anti-BlInG]

Well then youre the man for this post...any more info?:confused:

[PARAGON]

sorry im just tired of him making idiotic posts that are not true. I have friends that specifically build duramaxes, so im very knowledgable about dieselsWho gives a sh!t if a punk kid that can't even afford the tankful of gas for the H3 much less the vehicle is tired of anything.

How many models of Duramax do you think there are and/or will be? Stupid kid, Duramax is an engine line name just like Vortec is on the gas side. :rolleyes:

[TheArchiTexan]

Who gives a sh!t if a punk kid that can't even afford the tankful of gas for the H3 much less the vehicle is tired of anything.

How many models of Duramax do you think there are and/or will be? Stupid kid, Duramax is an engine line name just like Vortec is on the gas side. :rolleyes:No ****, I guess you didn't understand my comment when i said he specifies in building them. Are you that retarded or just need glasses? wait, let me guess im lying right and youd like me to have him come in this forum and tell you as to why there will never be a smaller version of the duramax in an h3. Like I said before, do some research before you decide to chime in with your fantasy ideas.

ill give you a hint-size,power,mpg, oh yea and POWER!! yes I know they have already created smaller versions of the diesel but look as to the weight of the vehicle that they are in. If people are already complaining(like me) about the power now, do you honestly think a diesel is even a topic of discussion. NO. Get your head out of your ass and think retard.

PS- If youd like to doubt me about this, i have found a page testing vehicles around the same weigh size as the H3 with smaller versions of the diesel used today. The results are pretty horrible. And for it to be daily drivable they would seriously have to comptensate price for more modifications, which I know GM would not make a risk that high on a pretty demanding new line.

[Anti-BlInG]

;) :rolleyes: hmmmm interesting. I still would like a diesel tho.:D

[HIHUMMER]

;) :rolleyes: hmmmm interesting. I still would like a diesel tho.:D

Back in Nov. he wanted a diesel too.:rolleyes:

[RIC-H0]

Jeeze...Sounds like someone has got a diesel stick caught in his re-end.
It's not a bad thing to dream about having a vehicle with a specific type engine(Yes...even a diesel). If it weren't for the dreamers, we would still be using a frikin' feather to write with.
You keep on dreaming about what kinda engine you want in a vehicle, and the neighsayers will continue to dogg until it becomes a reality.:mad:

Would've though they'd be drag racing electric cars, and diesel trucks on the same race track, and giving gas powered vehicles a run for the money!:eek:

There's a difference between it can't be done, and it shouldn't be done!!!:o

Dream on Boy!!!:cool:

[TheArchiTexan]

Jeeze...Sounds like someone has got a diesel stick caught in his re-end.
It's not a bad thing to dream about having a vehicle with a specific type engine(Yes...even a diesel). If it weren't for the dreamers, we would still be using a frikin' feather to write with.
You keep on dreaming about what kinda engine you want in a vehicle, and the neighsayers will continue to dogg until it becomes a reality.:mad:

Would've though they'd be drag racing electric cars, and diesel trucks on the same race track, and giving gas powered vehicles a run for the money!:eek:

There's a difference between it can't be done, and it shouldn't be done!!!:o

Dream on Boy!!!:cool:Never looked at it like that and yes very well proven. Havent seen electric cars out on the track but diesels can compete just aswell as gas.

[cow boy]

Look at this Audi R10 turbodiesel V12 running against gassers.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Motorsports_and_Racing/Audi_Diesels_Dominate_Sebring.S247.A10169.html

[deserth3]

i have found a page testing vehicles around the same weigh size as the H3 with smaller versions of the diesel used today

Ok show us the link.

As a rough estimate a 3.5L turbo diesel should have twice the fuel milage and more HP than a 3.5L gas engine.

Were the tests done with a turbo diesel or nonturbo?

A 3.5L diesel should have no problem pushing the H3 and I also would like to know why a smaller Duramax would not work in the H3?

What you're saying does not make much sense

[f5fstop]

The global H3 WILL have a diesel for Europe/Asia/Africa; whether or not there will be a diesel in the US remains to be seen. So far, marketing has shown that the diesel is not accepted by the US public yet, for SUV use, only for work trucks or trucks hauling large heavy loads (note fifth wheels,etc.)
We all know the US public is fickle, and their acceptance of a diesel could change at the pump. They love their big rigs, but many don't like the fuel prices. Time will tell, and Chrysler and some of the other brands are testing the market with diesels, and I'm sure GM marketing is looking at their sales figures closely.
To TheArchiTexan, I know people who build design diesels into vehicle, and these might just know a bit more about these engines, and the vehicles they can go into a little more than you, or your buddies.

[deserth3]

I was wondering if anyone had thought of dropping a diesel engine in your H3. Is there one small enough out there? Let me know if you know of one.

I used to work on Diesels years ago. But I haven't kept up with them. In most big citties there's a diesel repair shop. If you're serious, stop by and have a chat with them. I've always been a fan of the cummins turbo diesel myself. Kind of like the Hummer, Jeep thing. Worst that can happen is the guy says we don't want to touch it. Or you may hear I have just the engine for you.
Just make sure it does have a turbo. A nonturbo diesel is a dog.

[Anti-BlInG]

I dont understand...if they are going to make an h3 with a small diesel...why cant it be retrofitted to meet US standards and laws...? when does this diesel h3 come out?

[HummerNewbie]

I dont understand...if they are going to make an h3 with a small diesel...why cant it be retrofitted to meet US standards and laws...? when does this diesel h3 come out?

It's not that they can't make it work, it is that there is such a low demand for it.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

The global H3 WILL have a diesel for Europe/Asia/Africa; whether or not there will be a diesel in the US remains to be seen. So far, marketing has shown that the diesel is not accepted by the US public yet, for SUV use, only for work trucks or trucks hauling large heavy loads (note fifth wheels,etc.)
We all know the US public is fickle, and their acceptance of a diesel could change at the pump. They love their big rigs, but many don't like the fuel prices. Time will tell, and Chrysler and some of the other brands are testing the market with diesels, and I'm sure GM marketing is looking at their sales figures closely.
To TheArchiTexan, I know people who build design diesels into vehicle, and these might just know a bit more about these engines, and the vehicles they can go into a little more than you, or your buddies.

My thoughts exactly. I wonder what it would take to buy a diesel H3 overseas (when available) and ship it back here? People around the world are buying US H3s and shipping them home. Of course, all the displays would be metric.

[f5fstop]

I dont understand...if they are going to make an h3 with a small diesel...why cant it be retrofitted to meet US standards and laws...? when does this diesel h3 come out?

Could be two reasons; one, marketing; two, they might not be able to retrofit to meet the higher standards of states such as "good 'ole" Kalifornia:D , and then it may be marketing that steps in and says it is not worth it for only 40+ states.
Those decisions are way beyond my pay level.:eek:

[Idaho-Hummer]

Those decisions are way beyond my pay level.:eek:


Hey don't you want a pay raise. lets see that diesel in the market!!!! even if it's less then 1% of 1%. They need to know that we are out here. If they are not willing to make our diesel Hummer then we will by our Hummer's somewhere else!!!!!!:D

[lance-n]

i had an isuzu pup with a 4 cylinder naturally aspirated diesel all thru college - once i blew my bug up! bought it brand new in 1988 for like $7900! we bought it in oregon to forgoe the smog equipment. it averaged 52 to the gallon. great for a ciommuting college student. they used to put those same motors in the troopers, until lots of power became "in style". :rolleyes:

nissan xterras in central america come with 4 cylinder turbo diesels and have plenty of power, not to mention great mileage. trust me, we drove it like a rental!:eek: not only cuz it was, but you have to to keep up with the costa ricans!!! i was impressed with how tough those xterras really are. it really took a beating. i believe that the h3's weigh quite a bit more than the xterras though and would probably require more push.

the defender 110 four door comes with an in line I-5 turbo diesel and gets over 20 mpg. not available in the US, only v-8. not sure on the dimensions of that motor, but i do think that the 110 four doors weigh just as much as the H3's.
as it was eluded to earier in this thread, it is unfortunate that the US views diesel as more dirty and pollutive than it actually is. diesel motors have become substantially more clean burning and quite in recent years. maybe it is just that i am going deaf?!?

[Michael1]

Ok show us the link.

As a rough estimate a 3.5L turbo diesel should have twice the fuel milage and more HP than a 3.5L gas engine.

That would be a VERY rough estimate. ;)

Diesels are about 20-30% more efficient than a typical gasoline engine, and diesel fuel has 10% more energy content than gasoline per gallon, producing about a 30-40% boost in mileage.

The 2008 diesel emission laws are going to be very strict, so you will see a lot of changes in diesel emission controls.

Michael

[mrwindsor]

not to bring an old thread back to life but has anyone ever considered a 4bt cummins for a swap? im sure there are adapters for the trans along with a stand alone controller and tuning out the original motor shouldnt be too hard.

[JASTECH]

I think the v6 diesel out of the newer Cadillac CTS will be just fine and pass all emissions.

GM 2.9L Turbocharged V6 Diesel
Horse Power= 250
Torque= 406 @ 2,000 rpm