Would you support a flag burning ban?

[evldave]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/26/flag.amendment/index.html

[ShaggyX]

Hard to say...on one hand you have "Freedom of speech"...on the other you have an act that could/should be considered treason. I would kind of support it...but not enough to actually vote. :D

[HummBebe]

Committment-phobe;):rolleyes::D

[DRTYFN]

Ban it - DO NOW!!!!
And if it turns out the burners are illegals- crack their skulls for them.:mad:

[Steve - SanJose]

I can find something more important to worry about.

S.

[NEOCON1]

burn the fhukin flag burners . :p

[h2co-pilot]

The flag is sacred to all that live here.

Ban it.

CNN = poop

[deserth3]

Freedom of Speech= Verbaly expessing an idea or ideal.

Now unless they are burning the flag while it is shoved in their mouth. I think it should be banned.

If burning our flag is covered under Freedom of Speech, then I feel that my running their happy a$$ over with my truck like the low life speed bump they are should also be covered under Freedom of Speech.

[Racer-X]

While I beleive that the right to burn the flag is one of the great things about this country and shows how free we truely are....I also agree with the following quote - :D

If burning our flag is covered under Freedom of Speech, then I feel that my running their happy a$$ over with my truck like the low life speed bump they are should also be covered under Freedom of Speech.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I salute my parents and others in the armed forces, and I hate the idea of flag burning as a protest, but I still couldn't support a ban.

But if someone burns a flag as part of a crime, threat or harassment ... like protesting at funerals, weddings, military homecomings, on private property, etc, then string them up.

Burning flags discredits their protest anyway. They aren't any kind of group I want to join. Besides, what if I want to respectfully retire my flag? I used to be able to burn it respectfully ... am I supposed to throw it in the trash now?

[KenP]

:mad: Flag Desecration Amendment Fails in Senate by One VoteTuesday, June 27, 2006
http://www.foxnews.com/images/foxnews_story.gif

WASHINGTON ? A constitutional amendment to ban flag desecration fell one vote short of the 67-vote threshold needed for Senate passage and referral to the states.
The proposed amendment, sponsored by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, read: "The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States."http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00189

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Joint Resolution (S.J.Res.12 as Amended ) Vote Number: 189Vote Date: June 27, 2006, 06:14 PMRequired For Majority: 2/3Vote Result: Joint Resolution DefeatedVote Counts:YEAs66NAYs34

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Nay
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Chafee (R-RI), Nay
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

[h2co-pilot]

Clinton (D-NY), Nay

[dеiтайожни]

As long as they are putting the time into this, they might as well have made it illegal. :mad:

Besides being disrespectful, isn't just the act of burning **** w/o a permit illegal? If I went to the courthouse and started burning some old clothes/garbage on the steps they'd take me to jail, but if it was a flag - I'd be okay because of freedom of speech?

[ShaggyX]

Never thought of it that way Dei...good point. :)

[HummerNewbie]

Never thought of it that way Dei...good point. :)

X2 :)

Holy crap, I agreed with Shaggy :eek: ;)

[KenP]

It's legal and respectful to dispose of the American Flag buy burning in a solemn ceremony. Many VFW's have ceremonies during the year to dispose of old, tatered flags.My flag is old and ready to be retired. What should I do? Section 8k of the Flag Code (see below) states, "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning." We recommend that you contact your local VFW (http://www.vfw.org/) Chapter and ask them for help properly disposing of your flag. And be sure to consider providing a small donation to them for their assistance. Or you can contact your local Elks Lodge (http://www.elks.org/) (who created the idea of Flag Day, established officially by President Truman, himself a member of the Elks), the American Legion, or the Knights of Columbus. Some Boy Scout and Girl Scout troups also can provide this service.http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

[The Juice]

X2

You guys should worry about the real stuff.

Yes ma brutha! Like tomato plants.

[SnakeH2]

CNN = poop

Stated soooo well;)

[PARAGON]

Clinton (D-NY), Nay

Feinstein (D-CA), Yea :confused:

wonder what she wants

[PARAGON]

Never thought of it that way Dei...good point. :)No it's not, it's a dumb point. Follow that train of thought and you couldn't light up a cigar or cigarette either, because that would be illegal.

That's like saying that you have a law on the books for stealing, so why I have anything specific for stealing government secrets.

[Agriv8r]

But if someone burns a flag as part of a crime, threat or harassment ...

how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!:mad:

[CO Hummer]

You guys are too emotional. The right to burn a flag or anything else should not be restricted by a goverment. It really doesn't matter how you 'feel' about it, it's a matter of rights.

[PARAGON]

how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!:mad: x3027gazabamillion

[PARAGON]

You guys are too emotional. The right to burn a flag or anything else should not be restricted by a goverment. It really doesn't matter how you 'feel' about it, it's a matter of rights.I agree, and you shouldn't have the right to burn the mutherfuking flag;) :D

[CO Hummer]

I agree, and you shouldn't have the right to burn the mutherfuking flag;) :D

Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right? :D

[PARAGON]

Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right? :DOh!

[PARAGON]

;)

[KenP]

Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right? :DThat was close.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!:mad:
I already listed one - "what if I want to respectfully retire my flag? I used to be able to burn it respectfully ... am I supposed to throw it in the trash now?"

Lots of things are legal in one situation but not in another. You can yell 'fire' and pull the alarm lever in a crowded theater ... if there's actually a fire. But you'll get arrested if there isn't one (or if you set it).

Freedom of speech doesn't give people the right to harass others or commit crimes. It allows them to criticize the government without going to jail. Burning a flag at a funeral or in front of a veteran's house disturbs the peace and directly harasses someone. Filing a permit to hold a public rally and burn a flag peacefully as government protest is something different.

If flag-burning became illegal, could someone burn full-color posters of the flag instead? How about flag colored clothing, underwear, bandanas, shop rags, paint designs, stickers or cars painted with a flag. Where would the ban stop?

Personally, I DO NOT agree with flag-burning ... I only support the right to peaceful protest .

[Wisha Haddan H3]

One more thought ... flag-burning is inarticulate and pointless, like screaming and swearing instead of talking things out. Peaceful public communication is a fundamental right. Don't burn your flag on my lawn, but file a permit and do it peacefully downtown if that's the best you can do.

Besides, if you're going to lock people up for being inarticulate, inflammatory or offensive, I can think of a few people who wouldn't have a chance. ;)

[PARAGON]

One more thought ... flag-burning is inarticulate and pointless, like screaming and swearing instead of talking things out. Peaceful public communication is a fundamental right. Don't burn your flag on my lawn, but file a permit and do it peacefully downtown if that's the best you can do.

Besides, if you're going to lock people up for being inarticulate, inflammatory or offensive, I can think of a few people who wouldn't have a chance. ;)smoke another joint, mellow-man

there's nothing pointless to something that divides people or that enrages others. Burn my flag and it pisses me off because it's a lack of respect.

Ignorance is offensive AND you can be locked up for it. Better look out!

[KenP]

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.

[PARAGON]

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation. I wonder if you would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or take it to your local VFW

[2-H2's]

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.


Would you support a flag burning ban? My POV...yes for the above mentioned application.

For any other protest BS...expect an @ss kicking contest to break out in our "redneck of the woods" :D ;)

[Wisha Haddan H3]

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.

I saw your earlier post and appreciate the info. But I figured a blanket constitutional ban on flag burning could call a flag-burning ceremony into question, which would be a shame.

[usetosellhummer]

Don't burn my flag man!

[KenP]

The ammendment:The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Burning_AmendmentThis proposed amendment was intended to give Congress the right to enact statutes criminalizing the burning or other desecration of the United States flag in a public protest."Public Protest" are the key words I think.

Also, in the ammendment are the words "physical desecration".des?e?crate
tr.v. des?e?crat?ed, des?e?crat?ing, des?e?crates
To violate the sacredness of; profane.A sacred, solomn ceremony isn't profane.

[evldave]

The ammendment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Burning_Amendment"Public Protest" are the key words I think.

Also, in the ammendment are the words "physical desecration".A sacred, solomn ceremony isn't profane.

So if I crapped on the flag, rubbed it all over my body, then used it as toilet paper to wipe my dirty a$$, but didn't burn it, would that be against the law?:D

[evldave]

The ammendment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Burning_Amendment"Public Protest" are the key words I think.

Also, in the ammendment are the words "physical desecration".A sacred, solomn ceremony isn't profane.

So if I crapped on the flag, rubbed it all over my body, then used it as toilet paper to wipe my dirty a$$, but didn't burn it, would that be against the law?:D

ps-I'm opposed to a ban, but I'd also like a ban on punishing people for expressing their opinions by kicking the azz of the fukers who burn the flag, if that makes any sense...

[KenP]

So if I crapped on the flag, rubbed it all over my body, then used it as toilet paper to wipe my dirty a$$, but didn't burn it, would that be against the law?:DYou would not get in trouble for that. The bill says "dececration", not "defecation".;)

[evldave]

You would not get in trouble for that. The bill says "dececration", not "defecation".;)

I don't know what dececration means, but it sounds bad. Must be worse than crapping and using as TP:D