Gas can carrier [Archive] - Hummer Forums by Elcova

HummerNewbie

07-15-2006, 04:35 AM

Oh, I see. Never carried gas in the H3 but in past SUVs I just stuck it in the back and put the windows down.

Really sucked after hurricane Charlie, went and filled (6) 5 gallon gas cans for the generator. The closest place with power and gas was about 5 miles away and it was pouring out. About killed myself with the gas fumes driving back home :eek: :(

evldave

07-15-2006, 06:10 AM

I just topped off my lawnmower & weedwacker cans & carried them inside the hummer. I just put it in the back and kept the windows down. No stinky smell:)

sltbluh3

07-15-2006, 12:11 PM

I just bought 1 of those rear trailer hitch carriers. its aluminum and can fold up. $259 from tractor supply company

HummerNewbie

07-15-2006, 03:06 PM

I just bought 1 of those rear trailer hitch carriers. its aluminum and can fold up. $259 from tractor supply company

Is the spare a problem though? I have not used my hitch carrier on the 3 yet but have used it to transport gas before, works great for that.

garnerbiker

07-15-2006, 09:43 PM

I carry 2 5 gal cans on top. They are the military "Jerry" style. I have the screw, airtight seals on them and carry horizontally. Up top I have 2 Thule bars with a 2X4 cradle for them. They are secured with 3 ratcheting tie downs which seem to do fine going down washboard at 40mph in Death valley. I am going to make a welded steel carrier for the roof for the cans, but would really like a rear mounted bumper option. As for putting them on the hitch post, that's fine if you are not going to be offroading. The departure would smash them up.

Good luck.

G

dеiтайожни

07-15-2006, 10:06 PM

Hmm... The hitch carrier would probably be the quickest thing. I'll see what I can come up with at the store later. thanks

HummerNewbie

07-15-2006, 11:25 PM

I'll see what I can come up with at the store later. thanks

You can pick one up pretty cheap at wally world.

dеiтайожни

07-15-2006, 11:49 PM

You can pick one up pretty cheap at wally world.

I'll check it out. Otherwise I'll just tie it to the bumper and drag it home, but I'll need a metal container for that.

HummerNewbie

07-16-2006, 12:18 AM

Otherwise I'll just tie it to the bumper and drag it home, but I'll need a metal container for that.

The sparks will be real pretty. For a little while at least :D

Beastmaster

07-16-2006, 04:40 AM

sltbluh3

07-16-2006, 12:28 PM

The tire gets in the way a little u cant have it folded all the way up then unflod it. So I put it on partially folded the wings just clear the tire so it can then be completely unfolded. It works great with propane tanks as well.

evldave

07-16-2006, 07:04 PM

I'm looking at adapting this with a 6 lug mounting plate for my wife's H3. Once that's done, I can carry 2 cans of gasoline, a Pioneer toolkit, and a Hi-Lift on it.

Modding this should be easy - have a shop plasma off the 5 bolt pattern mount, and weld a plate with a 6 lug pattern.

http://www.4x4products.com/cargoracks/904.html

That looks like a good idea! You might be able to just re-drill the mounting plate for the 6-lug pattern, rather than pay for a shop to do the work.

A question, what about weight? Do you have your spare on there? With a spare (75#?) + highlift (40#?) + 10 gals of fuel (60#?) + toolkit (10#?), you are starting to put quite a bit of weight on the back. Especially if some is farther from the mounts - it will put more leverage on the mounting points that far back, when you do it you might want to check the mounting points regularly to make sure there isn't deformation of the sheetmetal on the door.

fourfourto

07-16-2006, 07:17 PM

Harbor freight tools has this in there catalog.I couldnt find it online.
You would need a roofrack though.

I have a petro pump(harbor freight also) on my 5 gallon can,very handy and does not leak.
I use my work car for transporting gas or I just take it out of the 442 when needed.

Old Car = Old Ho easy to get the hose in :eek: :rolleyes: :D

lotus4s

07-17-2006, 02:21 AM

I need gas for my lawnmower, and I don't want to get gas stink in the inside of the truck, yet. ;)

Why not get a gas can that doesn't leak?:p

You going into the landscaping business?:D

humdoug

07-17-2006, 03:39 AM

Gas cans strapped to the back of a H3 would be like driving an old Ford Pinto!:eek:

Beastmaster

07-17-2006, 05:22 AM

That looks like a good idea! You might be able to just re-drill the mounting plate for the 6-lug pattern, rather than pay for a shop to do the work.

A question, what about weight? Do you have your spare on there? With a spare (75#?) + highlift (40#?) + 10 gals of fuel (60#?) + toolkit (10#?), you are starting to put quite a bit of weight on the back. Especially if some is farther from the mounts - it will put more leverage on the mounting points that far back, when you do it you might want to check the mounting points regularly to make sure there isn't deformation of the sheetmetal on the door.

Well, that's going to be the huge question.

A 20 Liter Jerrycan (I use NATO spec ones on all my trucks) are 33lbs full of liquid. A 60" Hi-Lift is 40lbs, and a Pioneer Toolkit is about 20.

So, if you did the loadout that I'm looking at (10gal fuel, Hi-Lift, and Pioneer), it's 126 lbs. The sad part is that I have absolutely no idea if the rack mount itself is rated for that level. I do know that the rack is adjustable to handle anywhere from an 8" to 13.5" tire width, so one could minimize the damaging leverage found in hanging something like that and place it close to the tire.

The other thought process is to modify one of those tire mounted bike carriers and hang stuff off of that.

Or - go the Thule roof rack mount method and get a known good capacity...which is roughly 80lbs per bar. I just hate having a roof rack - it screws with fuel mileage.

humdoug

07-17-2006, 01:32 PM

So, if you did the loadout that I'm looking at (10gal fuel, Hi-Lift, and Pioneer), it's 126 lbs. The sad part is that I have absolutely no idea if the rack mount itself is rated for that level. I do know that the rack is adjustable to handle anywhere from an 8" to 13.5" tire width, so one could minimize the damaging leverage found in hanging something like that and place it close to the tire.

Maybe a question to ask - what is the largest wheel/tire size anyone has hanging on the back door and request an estimated weight. Deduct this from your wheel/tire weight and that would provide a safe weight that could be added.

Beastmaster

07-17-2006, 05:38 PM

evldave

07-17-2006, 05:41 PM

The other thought process is to modify one of those tire mounted bike carriers and hang stuff off of that.

Or - go the Thule roof rack mount method and get a known good capacity...which is roughly 80lbs per bar. I just hate having a roof rack - it screws with fuel mileage.

If you use the tire mount carrier, you will still see some 'leverage' on the door, that might be an issue.

As for the roof rack, I see ~1-2 mpg difference across the board for mileage w/my rack (with spare). I imagine that will go down when I get around to putting a fairing on it, we'll see. Good luck!

evldave

07-17-2006, 05:45 PM

Well, I just called Olympic. They claim the rack can handle 75lbs with the stock spare tire mounts (on a Jeep Wrangler back tailgate with the stock tire). The rack can handle up to 200lbs of stuff on it when you use a swing away tire carrier.

Now the next thing is to call Hummer customer service....see if they know something about the swing gate max weight (ha!)

One other thing. I'm 200# and can step on the tire carrier (no tire) with ZERO deflection of the rear gate. I use it as a step to get up on the roof rack. At the door, It's solid, but when I use my bike rack stepping down off the rack (the bike rack bolts to where the tire used to be), I feel deflection, but can't see it. Might just be my imagination.

Beastmaster

07-17-2006, 06:03 PM

Well, that was a fast reply - not from Hummer corporate, but from the regional Hummer Product Manager. Figures that corporate is slow...I'll probably get my answer from corporate customer service in 2 months.

The regional product manager says that 33's nearly maxes out the mount on the back door....combine that with other stuff, and you're looking at a max of about 75 lbs hanging off the back of the mount at most.

Sucks, huh? Now I need to find someone that makes a NORMAL swing away carrier for my wife's truck.

Biggest tire they've tried and tested is in trials is a 35" tire with a 20" wheel...specfically a BFG AT TA/KO in 325/60R20. Just the difference in wheel weight plus tire weight is easily 50-60lbs.

Beastmaster

07-17-2006, 06:04 PM

One other thing. I'm 200# and can step on the tire carrier (no tire) with ZERO deflection of the rear gate. I use it as a step to get up on the roof rack. At the door, It's solid, but when I use my bike rack stepping down off the rack (the bike rack bolts to where the tire used to be), I feel deflection, but can't see it. Might just be my imagination.

That's where the leverage comes into play. Your bike rack is providing a minimal amount of leverage that could translate into flex of the mount.

Beastmaster

07-19-2006, 05:57 PM

I found the solution! It's not the one I prefer, but in absence of a proper swing away system, it's the best that I can find that doesn't screw with the mounting system AND it's within the weight range.

There's a bad thing - people who want it has to hop on getting this stuff NOW.

Here's the details:

ConFerr (who is now out of business) makes a fuel can carrier and spare tire adapter.

The spare tire adapter can be had with a 6x5.5 bolt pattern (which is what our H3's use). A picture from a supplier (who still has stock supposedly) is here:
http://offroadrecovery.zoovy.com/c=VNCSwzBMqx5p17kZfJriSU4wV/product/G81

You then mate it with a ConFerr fuel can carrier. The fuel can carrier uses Blitz cans (not my favorite brand of fuel cans, but it's usable until I can figure a way to adapt a normal bucket type carrier to the adapter).
http://offroadrecovery.zoovy.com/c=VNCSwzBMqx5p17kZfJriSU4wV/product/G8007

Total cost - about $120 after shipping.

If you want to even attempt sourcing this out yourself and not get it from OffRoadRecovery.com in Colorado, here's the part numbers you'll need:

G8149 - 6 Lug 6x5.5 ConFerr Blitz Spare Tire Can Carrier Mount
G8007 - ConFerr Blitz Can Carrier
And of course - a Blitz branded fuel can. Be aware that the NATO 20L clamshell welded tanks (the ones I tend to personally use) are NOT compatible with this setup.

As soon as my stuff arrives, I'll take pics of the mounting and post it.

FYI - Steve

Desert Dan

07-19-2006, 06:39 PM

You might be able to make a gas can rack that fits into the trailer hitch.

Ive seen this done on a Disco but it is a pain to open the rear door. You either have to foldi t down or remove it.

Sewie

07-19-2006, 06:42 PM

I've come across that setup before. I like the mounting idea but not thrilled about having to use blitz cans.

I'm curious to know how it works for you though. Keep us updated.

Beastmaster

07-19-2006, 06:53 PM

You might be able to make a gas can rack that fits into the trailer hitch.

Ive seen this done on a Disco but it is a pain to open the rear door. You either have to foldi t down or remove it.

Bad idea IMHO. That's the first thing hit when you get rear ended. Having Pinto style explosions and a Car-B-Que'd H3 (along with the person that was dumb enough to rear end you) isn't the way to go. Plus, it screws with the departure angle.

That's why I like the can mounted higher up. And - you don't have to remove it to open the swing gate. Plus, I don't have a Hitch on my wife's H3 either, for a slightly better departure angle.

Beastmaster

07-19-2006, 07:06 PM

I've come across that setup before. I like the mounting idea but not thrilled about having to use blitz cans.

I'm curious to know how it works for you though. Keep us updated.

Neither am I. I do have an extra "basket" style can carrier that I could (theoretically) adapt to the mount. The only issue is that there's a distinct lack of vertical reinforcement, unlike the ConFerr mount.

I could, of course, have a lip of some sort welded to the ConFerr mount to allow the use of a standard NATO jerry can.

Beastmaster

07-19-2006, 07:26 PM

I just got off the phone with OffRoadRecovery.com. They have about 14 (15 minus my order) in stock of the 6x5.5 lug plate mounts.

So - order up. You all know the stock levels now!

-Steve

dеiтайожни

07-24-2006, 08:28 PM

Why not get a gas can that doesn't leak?:p
Because I didn't know they made those, I've had a lawn care company worry about that for me for awhile, so I'm a little out of it. ;)

You going into the landscaping business?:D
Yes, I serve the my yard area. Interested? ;) :D

Anyhow, I didn't have much time, so I just bought 2 of those new-fangled containers, supposedly they don't spill. I trusted them, and they screwed me! Good thing I put them inside a rubbermaid container, so I think it's OK.

Now, I should probably work on the external carrier. I like the rear-end bomb idea, might go with that one. Thanks

FutureBeachBum

07-25-2006, 03:29 AM

Something like this would be cool.

evldave

07-25-2006, 05:09 AM

Or...the standard cans are 6.5-7" deep. The rear tire mounts (sans tire) stick out 8-1/4" from the rear gate. You could fab up up a mount (aluminum would be best) that mounts where the tire goes, and the cans go INSIDE that up against the door. Would reduce leverage, and would also protect somewhat the cans.

oooo, then you could also mount a small rack on top of that, to put small stuff (like tie straps, etc) above the tire mount. Have the floor be expanded metal so you could put wet things, etc. Or make a lockable box there for your recovery equipment. As long as the weight is up against the door, I think leverage would be minimized and you could put 100# on there.

hmmmm, looks like I have a weekend project!

evldave

07-25-2006, 05:14 AM

Something like this I hacked together in visio

Beastmaster

07-28-2006, 11:09 PM

Well, after ordering the stuff on the 19th, the items finally reached my doorstep. Considering that the stuff shipped on the 26th from Colorado (and reached Arizona today (on the 28th), I think that was fast shipping, but slow processing.

I'll take pics and detail the install. Hopefully by tonight I'll have everything set.

Beastmaster

07-29-2006, 01:16 AM

Well, here's a teaser.

Gas can carrier is installed. If it wasn't for the fact that I was missing bolts, it would have shaved about 20 minutes off the time.

Install time - 50 minutes, 20 of which was spent finding replacment bolts that were missing from the package. So this is realistically a 30 minute job.

Here's some teaser pics:
http://www.azhog.org/h3_gas_carrier/IMG_3998a.JPG

http://www.azhog.org/h3_gas_carrier/IMG_4000a.JPG
http://www.azhog.org/h3_gas_carrier/IMG_4000a.JPG
I only had yellow colored Blitz cans, so it's not to spec, but you do get the idea.

As soon as I get back from my kid's Kintergarten orientation, I'll post a review and step by step stuff....

FYI - Steve