Wireless Start-Up?

[RoyalH3]

I was really thinking about installing a remote start system in my truck but a guy at my dealership told me that it screws aroudn with the stock security system and coudl possibly shut down the car.... As cool as a remote start is, i dont want to be stuck in the middle of downtown at night without a car. Anybody heard different?? If you already have one, which one shoudl i be looking at for an H3? Thanks!

[dеiтайожни]

You won't have any problems if it's installed properly.

I have the Clifford Matrix RSX 3.5.

[fourfourto]

My auto start was installed in january no problems.:D

[marin8703]

hey if i install the Clifford system, can i (well the installer actually) remove the stock security completely or will that still stay in and somehow interface with the clifford?

Also dei, what range do you get, i mean for the remote?

[dеiтайожни]

The stock security system won't be removed, just bypassed. If it's a pretty open area I can get the advertised 1/4 mile range. The more buildings, cars in the way the closer you need to be, but it still has good range.

[fourfourto]

Mine works off the factory remote. You hit lock 2X and it starts.:D



To extend range hold it against your nose http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon3.gif :clapping:

[marin8703]

dei (or whome ever else may know), couple more question if you dont mind,

it looks like there is a wizard for the avantguard versions. does the wizard work with the matrix rsx 3.5, or is there one that works with the rsx? i took a look at the wizard and it has some useful functions that you can change yourself without an installer.

and why did you choose the rsx 3.5 over the avantguard 5, other than the reponder technology which i beleive the avantguard does not have?

thanks!

[dеiтайожни]

Not real familiar with Avantguard, but I've never really had a need to use most of the features you can only program with those wizards. It also doesn't appear to have the responder remote with screen, which I like. I went with the rsx 3.5, because it's pretty much exactly like viper 791xv which I had on my last car and did a lot of work with. It has a cooler looking remote though.

[cjandnw]

Re: Remote Starter / Alarm systems.

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There is an addtional bypass kit needed in addition the actual remote starter system. There was not even any question whether the system could be installed on my 06. I've had it for a week. NO PROBLEMS. I am very pleased with the system. Install took about 4 hours. I suggest you pay for it prior to the install date and leave your ATM, Credit cards home. 4 hours alone in Circuit City with Credit cards is extremely dangerous.

hopefully the links work:

Starter: Valet 561R Remote Start/Keyless Entry

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/produ...c=1&oid=119099

Bypass: DEI GM Immobilizer Bypass

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/DEI-G...oductDetail.do

Good Luck

[H3HUMMER]

I had mine installed with the factory alarm and remote. The only thing you do not get the 3000 feet distance or what ever it is but the factory distance is good and i did not need that ant. on the windshield.Works fine

[RoyalH3]

ok so im thinking about going with the Matrix RS 2.1 remote starter. (same as the Matrix RSX 3.5 but without the security stuff)
Fourfourto--- How did you program the remote starter on the stock controller/remote??? Id like to do that instead of using the one that the package comes with. Could you program it so if you hit unlock then lock it turns on? Or both at the same time?

[fourfourto]

I had it done by installer,so i dont know how it was hooked up,someone else might.

[mountainbiker]

I had it done by installer,so i dont know how it was hooked up,someone else might.

Do you know the manufacturer of your remote start to find out more details?

[fourfourto]

Its a DEI remote start thats what it says on the warning label.I have it set to shutoff in 12 minutes. no problems since January.:D

[mountainbiker]

It's a DEI remote start
It uses the Hummer key fob/remote and not a DEI remote. Is that correct?

I have it set to shutoff in 12 minutes
How do you "program" the time?

[fourfourto]

It uses the Hummer key fob/remote and not a DEI remote. Is that correct?

Yes it can use factory remote or you can get a DEI remote


How do you "program" the time?

You can program a few diferent times i think 12 22 32 ect I had installer do it .

[H3HUMMER]

This is where i had mine done with the factory remote give them a call maybe
they can tell you over the phone.

http://automilecartoys.com/home.htm

[marin8703]

hey, anybody have LoJack installed on their truck? and has anyone had any experience with it, has a vehicle been recovered for you?

[fourfourto]

hey, anybody have LoJack installed on their truck? and has anyone had any experience with it, has a vehicle been recovered for you?


No need for lojack.
Onstar has gps tracking:D

[RoyalH3]

I just talked to Car-Toys in dallas. They said that since all i want is the remote start system, the Valet remote start would work just as good as the clifford. Anybody heard about this Valet system? For those who have a clifford, did you have to install a module to trick the car to think that there is a key in the ignition or did you just install it using what came in the box?

[RoyalH3]

Also, what do you guys use the remote starter for?

[H3HUMMER]

I HERD OF TWO WAYS THEY PUT A KEY IN THERE SOMEHOW TO TRICK IT BUT MINE THEY DID NOT I HIT THE LOCK BUTTON TWICE AND IT STARTS.

[fourfourto]

Also, what do you guys use the remote starter for?


To start it when your not in the truck.:jump:

Seriously on a hot day it gets the truck cool before you get in.
And here in the northeast you can get the heat going on those cold days.



For those who have remote start with factory key fob.
Try hitting door locks twice from the switch on the door.Mine starts ,Im not sure if its hooked up wrong or different.I kinda like it comes in handy,soon as you hit the brake it shuts off(or 12 minutes).

[marin8703]

No need for lojack.
Onstar has gps tracking:D

thats what I was thinking too, but, from what i have understood so far, onstar might not be able to get the signal if its in a grage or building or whatever, and apperantly they dont have good communication set up with law enforcement.

lojack apperantly can receive signal from building or garages, and is kindof operated by the police, kind of. Seems that the process of locating might go faster and smoother

What do you think?

[fourfourto]

thats what I was thinking too, but, from what i have understood so far, onstar might not be able to get the signal if its in a grage or building or whatever, and apperantly they dont have good communication set up with law enforcement.

lojack apperantly can receive signal from building or garages, and is kindof operated by the police, kind of. Seems that the process of locating might go faster and smoother

What do you think?


Easy to check, park truck in a building or wherever and hit the blue on star button and ask them to check your location.They always seem willing to talk to you or answer questions.

Also with on star if you drive off the road and no ones around and the air bag goes off if you dont answer they will send help.Lojack cant do that.:D

[RoyalH3]

The place im dealing with says that you cant program the stock key fob to start the car?? Any ideas on what i should tell them besides i have a forum of people that have it?

[H3HUMMER]

ON-STAR is satellite

[RoyalH3]

To put in my 2 cents on the lojack/onstar thing... H3's come with onstar standard so you, considering you pay the monthly fee, already have the onstar gps tracking. BUT, i do agree that i would feel alot better in having the lojack system just because thats all they are used for. They are designed to recover vehichles and nothing else, unlike onstar which it is a feature. Psh, you could do onstar and lojack and then laugh at people who try to steal your car

[H3HUMMER]

Well it can be done i had mine for a year now.
If they do not know how go somewhere else other wise you will have problems.

[H3HUMMER]

Well i pick ON-STAR any day over lojack
lojack is old school

[fourfourto]

The place im dealing with says that you cant program the stock key fob to start the car?? Any ideas on what i should tell them besides i have a forum of people that have it?


A good shop would look into it?.otherwise try a different installer that know newer cars and trucks.Good luck:D

[Nefarious]

To reprogram a factory remote, the shop needs to have a scan tool that can put the vehicle into BCM programming mode. There are some other ways as well, but the scan tool is the easiest. The whole process takes less than 5 mins for an installer that knows what he's doing.

[dеiтайожни]

fourfourto's remote start with the factory key fob... works, I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but it's not reprogrammed. The remote start activate is hooked up to the door locks (either lock or unlock), looking for 2 pulses. Any installer would know what you mean if you told them this. I just don't like the fact that anyone can start your truck by hitting the locks twice! :shhh:

IMO OnStar is just fine, I wouldn't get lojack. If you want more control, you can get something like the viper gps system. That way you can track your truck yourself over the internet or phone, turn it on/off, etc.. and get some vigilante justice if it's stolen. :D But of course it's range is limited just like OnStars.

[f5fstop]

ON-STAR is satellite

Only thing transmitted via Satellite on Onstar is the signal from the GPS satellites to the Onstar module. Voice communications are via digital verizon network, and one 6.1 version modules and older, there is an Analog backup via Verizon.
When you place a call on Onstar you go out via the little black antenna that is attached to the black wart on top of the H3. The wart contains the XM and the Onstar GPS antennas. (Wart is the engineering term for the three-phase antenna.:fdance: )
When you initiate a call to Onstar and ask for your location, the Onstar operator pings the Onstar module which has your location via the GPS system.

As for which is better. Lojack relies (or used to rely) on the local police having the equipment, which LoJack gave them to track. Smaller police departments did not have the equipment, so if the vehicle was stolen in the middle of nowhere (like Moab:p ), no way to locate the vehicle.
Onstar can locate almost anywhere there is voice communications via Verizon or one of their contracted service providers they offer for roaming.
If you are in a parking garage, you might be able to obtain cell service, but you will most likely lose GPS coverage. My Garmin, which is twice as sensitive as the GPS used in the vehicle, can't receive satellite coverage in a building with multiple floors or with metal/concrete ceiling, unless it is near a window or large opening. Near a large window or opening, the GPS might be able to get a signal from one or two satellites which will give your location pretty close.
Now, if Lojack has switched to GPS satellites, they will have the same limitations as Onstar.

Best feature of Onstar (versus first year free) is no special equipment is required by the Law, and the operators can track the police right to the vehicle. They also have a good reputation with the police. Onstar's range is only limited by the cell phone coverage, and with the older units (6.1 and older), with the capability of analog service, the coverage (until next year when analog goes completely away) is pretty darn good in the USA.

[marin8703]

thanks for the info on onstar versus lojack everyone!:jump: I desided not to get it installed, from what i understand from you guys onstar is capable to do the job.

on another note...

...what do you guys think of the Viper 5900 (p/n 5301V)MSRP $659.99? Its got an advertised range of one mile.

I had viper on one of my other cars and hadnt had a problem until last week, something wrong with the antenna, but installer changed it for free, no questions asked, and this is 2+ years after the install, so i was pretty happy. overall pretty happy with it, has responder tech but didnt have a remote starter.

Another issue i had is with the viper responder remote. It would drain the AAA battery in about a month, they replaced the first remote free but the new one they gave me is almost the same, maybe a little better. Is this what you guys are getting?

So what do you think of the above mentioned system, most likely with some other optional bells and wistles. What types of sensors or optional things would you recommend if any?

[f5fstop]

From my own experiences with my VIPER responder remote that I use everyday, one month is standard on an Alkaline, and about 5-weeks on a rechargeable. The one I keep sitting by my bed, lasts almost two months with a rechargeable. I have the backlight turned on as well as the vibrate, the one in the bedroom has only the beep turned on.
As with any battery powered item, the more it is used the faster it will drain. The installer told me they get about three-to-four weeks on a charge, depending on the settings, and how much use.
I use the Eveready "green" rechargeable for two reasons. They do last longer in electronic devices, and they are a lot cheaper in the long run. (I did some studies with my Garmin 60CSX. I got a steady 8 hours with alkalines with the backlit display on constantly, 14 hours with AA rechargeables...made me a believer.)
Talking with others who have the same type of responder remote, it seems one month is about maximum for alkalines.

[H3.007]

The DEI System from Circuit City is excellent. I had one in the Explorer I traded for my H3 and it ALWAYS worked. The bypass is all that is needed to work around the factory electronics issues of the system. I haven't had one put in the H3 yet, but I will before winter this year (soon).

I read some reviews on Circuit City's web site that some people needed to get a new key (unknown vehicle type). I am assuming this will not be the case with the H3 due to the use of the bypass module?

[f5fstop]

DEI makes Viper, Sidewinder, and a whole bunch more, and I have the 791XV installed and I did not require a new key in the H3. In addition, the stock passkey system still operates right along with the Viper system.

[dеiтайожни]

No, the h3 doesn't need an extra key to bypass passlock, just resistors. Vehicles that require keys with the chips on them, is when you need an extra key to bypass.

[H3.007]

Ahhhh - very good news. Thanks. Less $$$ to spend :perfect10s:

[marin8703]

do the functions that come with the factory alarm still work with the viper system?:

>>such as locking the doors when shifting out of park and then unlocking only the drivers door when in park (or how ever you set the doors to lock/unlock), or will that have to be setup separately with the new system.

>>also the feature where it doesnt let you lock the drivers door if you have the key in the ignition.

What im trying to ask actually is if i would still be able to change these features by myself through the process in the H3 owners manual or would they have to be setup and changed if needed through the new alarm (most likely an installer will have to do).

Thanks
Marin

[dеiтайожни]

Yes, factory features will be retained. Most of those features don't have anything to do with the factory alarm anyways. Changing settings on aftermarket alarms such as Viper are simple, it's just a combination of opening/closing doors, cycling through menus using the valet button and pressing a button on the remote.

Example to make the parking lights constant instead of flashing when remote starting... open door, turn key to on then back off, press and hold the valet button until the led flashes three times, then press the valet button 4 times, then once more and hold it, press lock on the transmitter, let go of valet button...close the door. done.

As for the new alarm question you had, I've never used it, but heard about it. Sounds great though, and just as good as the other responder ones. I might have to upgrade and get it myself!

[dеiтайожни]

I think I'm going to go check out the Clifford Matrix Responder SST tomorrow.

[f5fstop]

Yes, factory features will be retained. Most of those features don't have anything to do with the factory alarm anyways. Changing settings on aftermarket alarms such as Viper are simple, it's just a combination of opening/closing doors, cycling through menus using the valet button and pressing a button on the remote.

Example to make the parking lights constant instead of flashing when remote starting... open door, turn key to on then back off, press and hold the valet button until the led flashes three times, then press the valet button 4 times, then once more and hold it, press lock on the transmitter, let go of valet button...close the door. done.

As for the new alarm question you had, I've never used it, but heard about it. Sounds great though, and just as good as the other responder ones. I might have to upgrade and get it myself!

True, but one added "feature," is the doors automatically lock after the vehicle is started now with the Viper installed; at least on mine. If you stop and put in park, the doors unlock and will lock automatically when shifted back into gear. It's like the Viper added a lock function 3 seconds after starting the vehicle.

DEI, what other functions can be changed? They didn't give me a list of what could be changed on how to reprogram the unit.

[dеiтайожни]

True, but one added "feature," is the doors automatically lock after the vehicle is started now with the Viper installed; at least on mine. If you stop and put in park, the doors unlock and will lock automatically when shifted back into gear. It's like the Viper added a lock function 3 seconds after starting the vehicle.

DEI, what other functions can be changed? They didn't give me a list of what could be changed on how to reprogram the unit.

Yeah, the ignition lock/unlock can be turned off, if you want to keep it the factory way. Check out this guide, features you can change start on page 42.

http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/ig/viper/N564V_07-05.pdf

[f5fstop]

Yeah, the ignition lock/unlock can be turned off, if you want to keep it the factory way. Check out this guide, features you can change start on page 42.

http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/ig/viper/N564V_07-05.pdf

Fantastic...thanks, when I get my Hummer back, I'll turn off that immediate door lock feature. It can be aggravating at times.

[H3HUMMER]

Only thing transmitted via Satellite on Onstar is the signal from the GPS satellites to the Onstar module. Voice communications are via digital verizon network, and one 6.1 version modules and older, there is an Analog backup via Verizon.
When you place a call on Onstar you go out via the little black antenna that is attached to the black wart on top of the H3. The wart contains the XM and the Onstar GPS antennas. (Wart is the engineering term for the three-phase antenna.:fdance: )
When you initiate a call to Onstar and ask for your location, the Onstar operator pings the Onstar module which has your location via the GPS system.

As for which is better. Lojack relies (or used to rely) on the local police having the equipment, which LoJack gave them to track. Smaller police departments did not have the equipment, so if the vehicle was stolen in the middle of nowhere (like Moab:p ), no way to locate the vehicle.
Onstar can locate almost anywhere there is voice communications via Verizon or one of their contracted service providers they offer for roaming.
If you are in a parking garage, you might be able to obtain cell service, but you will most likely lose GPS coverage. My Garmin, which is twice as sensitive as the GPS used in the vehicle, can't receive satellite coverage in a building with multiple floors or with metal/concrete ceiling, unless it is near a window or large opening. Near a large window or opening, the GPS might be able to get a signal from one or two satellites which will give your location pretty close.
Now, if Lojack has switched to GPS satellites, they will have the same limitations as Onstar.

Best feature of Onstar (versus first year free) is no special equipment is required by the Law, and the operators can track the police right to the vehicle. They also have a good reputation with the police. Onstar's range is only limited by the cell phone coverage, and with the older units (6.1 and older), with the capability of analog service, the coverage (until next year when analog goes completely away) is pretty darn good in the USA.





I know about VERIZON they suck trust me.:beerchug: 6 year merger:mad:
GTE AND BELL ALANTIC :(

[f5fstop]

I know about VERIZON they suck trust me.:beerchug: 6 year merger:mad:
GTE AND BELL ALANTIC :(

I don't understand what you are trying to say, other than give a personal opinion of Verizon. I can contradict that with the fact I have had Verizon for about four years, and never had a problem with their service or coverage. So, guess I can't trust you.:fdance:

[aetherH3]

I went down to Circuit City to get some information on the DEI Valet 561R and they fed me some BS about needing a Python alarm and two different bypasses. Out the door would have been ~$450... For that i would rather walk outside, start my car, go inside and have a glass of OJ while its warming up...

How hard are these to install?

[mountainbiker]

I went down to Circuit City to get some information on the DEI Valet 561R and they fed me some BS about needing a Python alarm and two different bypasses. Out the door would have been ~$450... For that i would rather walk outside, start my car, go inside and have a glass of OJ while its warming up.
LOL for $450 I'll fly over and start it for you.

I had the Viper (and big stereo job) installed on my Explorer but sadly I just paid the entire bill. However, the install was not difficult for them. One feature of my Viper can is has module to roll up and down my windows. I love this feature and have had good fun with the remote start in scaring people. I tried to get the window module installed in the sun roof. However, the sun roof had 3 positions: open/close/vent, and the window module could only do 2. (This may have been changed since my install.) For example, windows open, doors unlocked, and sun roof open. Alarm the system and doors locks, windows go up, and sun roof went to vent. We just took it out. The motion sensor inside would hand extrance to the vehicle, but if it rains the sun roof might still be open.

You can get a 2nd, 3rd, ... opinion on the install process. My shop was an independent shop with smarts. I want to find a good shop here but here my choices are probably even worse than yours.

You can ask DEI via their web site about the Viper and Python. Be aware it can take a LONG time for a response. The following is a reponse from them I rec'd after 2 weeks (really 2 weeks):


A reply to your request has been made:
Ticket Number: 125954304

The Reply:
hi The Valet 561T uses the factory remote..

[b]ORIGINAL REQUEST:[/n]
Can you tell me if DEI offers a remote start system that utilizes the original OEM key fob remote and not a DEI remote? Vehicle: 2006 Hummer H3.

[dеiтайожни]

Try places that specialize in car alarms, I've never been a fan of Circuit City/Best Buy install work. A Viper 791XV is usually around $400-$500 installed.

Installing security is easy, but the remote start part can be tricky... if you don't have much experience in vehicle wiring, I'd say have someone else do it. You have to measure some resistance, route/hide wires, make your own bypass with relays since the dei one for the h3 is useless.

[f5fstop]

My 791XV, a second responder remote (yes, it only comes with one), and install was $495.00, including tax.

[aetherH3]

All i want is Remote start... THATS IT!!! i don't want an alarm because frankly, i don't need one in my town. Its small enough and i live in a remote enough area, i just leave my doors unlocked sometimes for fun! :clapping:

Honestly though, i just want remote start... any suggestions? i called some audio install places and one quoted me 350 for the Valet unit installed... Still high considering its a 75.00 unit.

[marin8703]

hey guys, im gona have the Viper SST installed tomorow, and i just wanted to ask if you had any suggestions on which sensor to install. It will have a shock sensor, but in addition to that should i get:

> ultrasonic sensor
> sound sensor
> Field disturbance sensor

Which would be best?

Thanks!

[dеiтайожни]

Cool, how much installed is it going to be?

Go with the sound (glass break) sensor. The others would do more good if you had a convertible, otherwise they are just annoying and draw negative attention.

[marin8703]

including one of the extra sensors and instalation, and also some moving lights or something (i think he called it scaner??) it will cost me exactly $780. The MSRP for the sytem is $659. He probably gets it for alot less though.

Its a little more than i wanted to spend but who cares:D .

The installer also suggested the sound sensor, but i wanted to check in with you guys to see what you say, cauze i dont really have any experience with car alarms, except turning them on and off:) .

thanks
marin

[marin8703]

All i want is Remote start... THATS IT!!! i don't want an alarm because frankly, i don't need one in my town. Its small enough and i live in a remote enough area, i just leave my doors unlocked sometimes for fun! :clapping:

Honestly though, i just want remote start... any suggestions? i called some audio install places and one quoted me 350 for the Valet unit installed... Still high considering its a 75.00 unit.

if it only costs 75 bucks, $275 sounds like a bit much for instalation alone. I might be wrong:) .

[dеiтайожни]

Ouch, $780. The clifford matrix rsx 3.5 msrp is $600, but I think dealers get it for something like $200-$250. I bought mine new for $230. I imagine the sst is similar in pricing, quite the markup!

[marin8703]

Ouch, $780. The clifford matrix rsx 3.5 msrp is $600, but I think dealers get it for something like $200-$250. I bought mine new for $230. I imagine the sst is similar in pricing, quite the markup!

yea, i overpaid, but if it does the job, i dont really care, i rather have peace of mind than 300 or 400 bucks in my pocket (both would be best:D ). I'll get pissed of if i have a problem with it or something of that sort.:rant:

I was planning on going with the clifford sst, but the installer didnt have it in stock, and i wanted to get it put in as soon as possible. theres been some increase in theft around here lately, and i just installed a pioneer Z1 (several weeks ago), so kind of want to protect my investment.

i really like the responder remotes, you actully know when somethings goin on, so you can go and take care of it yourself, instead of reliyng on the assumption that the crook will freak and run, or that someone else may help.

from what i am able to tell from the specs is that viper sst and clifford sst are basically the same system, different labeling. Maybe difference in reliability, but dont know. I like the color/design of the clifford remotes, like a carbon fiber look.

[dеiтайожни]

Yeah, it will last as long as the truck as well... so if you think of it that way it's not bad. ;) Viper and clifford are the same, just different styling.

[marin8703]

hey i got a couple of questions for you guys with viper or clifford alarms. The viper SST i got doest dissable engine start up. My dads viper almost same model( its just not an sst) disables his starter.

With this new alarm i got, when its armed, and i put the key in the ignition, the alarm starts sounding, but the engine starts fine. Isnt it supposed to be dissbaled?

also, the factory alarm is basically still active and i can use it instead of the viper. I tried the same thing on it and the car started. Doesnt the factory alarm dissable the starter or fuel pump or something?

Is something extra needed to disable the starter or whatever is dissabled, or did the installer not do it? I tried calling when i found out, so i can ask him, but they closed for the weekend couple of hours ago.

oh and also with this viper sst, is it supposed to turn the interior lights on and off with arming and disarming just like the factory setup, or do these clifford/viper not do this?

Thanks!!

[mountainbiker]

I don't have an aftermarket alarm on my HUMMER. The following is, however, my experience with my Ford Explorer and its 10 year old Viper:

With this new alarm i got, when its armed, and i put the key in the ignition, the alarm starts sounding, but the engine starts fine. Isnt it supposed to be dissbaled?
With my Viper armed and alarm sounding, I can place the key in the ignition and start it. I use this way to quickly get the alarm to stop.

Also, the factory alarm is basically still active and i can use it instead of the viper. I tried the same thing on it and the car started. Doesnt the factory alarm dissable the starter or fuel pump or something?
My factory system is still there and alive. I have once locked/armed the vehicle--accidently--one night with the factory fob. The next day unlocked with the Viper fob. When I got in the (factory) alarm went into action. In this case the key would not stop the maddnes.

[marin8703]

thanks for the reply, but when the alarm is sounding and i put the key in the ignition and start it, it starts and it doesnt turn off the alarm. I dont get that, either it should stop sounding and start, or keep sounding and not stop, rite?

On my mothers ford escape, the keys have a little transducer or watever it called, so when the alarm is sounding if you put the key in, the sound stops and the car starts, if the key is demagnatized (it happened to me once) the alarm will sound and the vehicle will not start. I know the h3 doest use that transducer key, i think someone said it uses passkey or something like that.

The viper sst i got does say it has failsafe starter kill. So why doesnt this expensive as hell doorstop kill the deam starter:rant: :crying: :o . Could the reason be that the installer might not have used a bypass module or something else that may be needed, cauze on the invoice, he charged me only for the alarm, a sensor, lights, and instrall. Doesnt say anything else.

Does anyone have any idea why this is, what i described in my previuos post.

Thanks for replies!

[mountainbiker]

While you are waiting for the members here to answer, go over to the DEI site and see if there is something in their FAQs. If not send them an email. I sent them an email a little while back, and it took 2 weeks exactly to answer. Not zippy -- but at least you might get something directly from the "horses mouth".

0215 at this end...night.

[aetherH3]

I called DEI the other day to ask about the Valet 561R Remote Start. The technician told me that is the ONLY thing required. I shouldn't need any bypasses for it to install on the H3. Circuit City blows goats.

[H3.007]

Do you have DEI's number? I stopped over to Circuit City the other day

and I think they tried to feed me a line of BS as well. I'd lik to chat with DEI and then the manager at CC - and his f'n goats.:twak:

[mountainbiker]

Do you have DEI's number?
http://www.directed.com/contact/default.asp
1-800-876-0800, 1-760-598-6200 (Vista, CA)

[f5fstop]

My factory passkey system is still active; in other words, without A key, the vehicle will not run (starts/stalls).
The VIPER system requires me to insert the key, and push the hidden bypass button to start the vehicle if the alarm is sounding. To be honest, I can't remember if it cranked or just didn't start, this feature was demonstrated by the installer months ago. All I can say is it would not start and turn off the alarm, until he pressed the button a certain number of times.

[H3.007]

Thanks for the info MountainBiker!!

[H3.007]

I just spoke with the dealership from which I bought my H3. They told me they are very, very wary of remote starters as they can damage or interrupt proper computer system and systems communication on the H3s and many other vehicles. Their response is below:

"I distrust aftermarket remote start systems - period.

Over the years, I have had bad experiences with them both in malfunctions of the units themselves, and collateral damages that they can cause. If one of these systems were to damage any other system in your vehicle, your warranty would be void on that system. Furthermore, if there is even the doubt that the remote start system caused collateral failure your warranty of that failure would be called into question.

Additionally, if you were to defeat the factory theft system in order to make the aftermarket remote start system function (as most of them do) there may be insurance ramifications if you vehicle were ever stolen.

Overall these are my feelings. Although the remote start feature is sure convenient (especially in the winter months) vehicles have become so advanced that any ?foreign? system becomes an unwelcome system (as it does not play well with the others). Your H3 speaks across a class 2 data line where all of the modules (read- computers) ?speak? to each other and ?handshake?. Just as if in a verbal conversation with a group of people, you would not be able to understand someone speaking Mandarin Chinese."

This guy has been very helpful in the past. Is he being overly cautious or is there real concern here? I'd hate to blow the warranty.

Thx!

[f5fstop]

I just spoke with the dealership from which I bought my H3. They told me they are very, very wary of remote starters as they can damage or interrupt proper computer system and systems communication on the H3s and many other vehicles. Their response is below:

"I distrust aftermarket remote start systems - period.

Over the years, I have had bad experiences with them both in malfunctions of the units themselves, and collateral damages that they can cause. If one of these systems were to damage any other system in your vehicle, your warranty would be void on that system. Furthermore, if there is even the doubt that the remote start system caused collateral failure your warranty of that failure would be called into question.

Additionally, if you were to defeat the factory theft system in order to make the aftermarket remote start system function (as most of them do) there may be insurance ramifications if you vehicle were ever stolen.

Overall these are my feelings. Although the remote start feature is sure convenient (especially in the winter months) vehicles have become so advanced that any ?foreign? system becomes an unwelcome system (as it does not play well with the others). Your H3 speaks across a class 2 data line where all of the modules (read- computers) ?speak? to each other and ?handshake?. Just as if in a verbal conversation with a group of people, you would not be able to understand someone speaking Mandarin Chinese."

This guy has been very helpful in the past. Is he being overly cautious or is there real concern here? I'd hate to blow the warranty.

Thx!

Tis the truth he speaks. However, any aftermarket system, such as my VIPER alarm and even my AVIC-Z1, can cause a problem with the electrical system.
However, if the installer knows his vehicles and products, and can stand by his/her installation, there should be no problems. Using places like Best Buy, Circuit City, ABC Applicances, etc., is not what I would consider a good move. Sorry I may be generalizing all the stores, but the ones I have spoken to in the past, were not qualified to install new speakers, let alone a complicated system such as a DEI manufactured alarm/remote starter system.

[H3.007]

I am starting to realize that some of these "experts" at CC and the such are boneheads they have hored off of the street. How does one know if they are certified to do the work?

It seems lik they have one guy who does know what he is talking about and the rest don't. I'd go to an independent dealer but what would happen if I was on the other side of the state or country for that matter and something happened to the system? If I have it installed at a national chain, they would be able to more easily address the problem and honor the warranties on parts and labor, yes?

This is just my head spinning too fast with too many ands, ifs, and buts; however, I would like to make the best move for long term investment.

To be fair to CC, and I am very hesitant to do so after all of this recent BS, they did install my starter in the Explorer and I never once had a problem.

This is such a pain in the pants hanger. :crying: