GUN safety training course

[h2co-pilot]

Okay, while I am home alone now (trying to keep busy) and worried because a neighbor was car jacked (he choked her, duct taped her and eventually let her go but took her address and compared it to her license before doing so- he could come back or something) I am a little worried.

I have mace but Paragon suggested to me awhile back that I take a safety course. Learning the basic handling cleaning and operation of one. I forgot that I was going to look into it until now.:giggling:

They scare me frankly and I have never touched one. But we have a few and I just want to know that I can use one if needed and maintain one so it will fire. Maybe get into target shooting for practice.

So, to the point :D, I have been looking on-line and there are several available- thru the NRA and local stores but some of them include batton training and stuff. Anyone take a course like I described and remember what it was called? Could I use one of Ken's or do they provide one or do I have to get one?

Thanks in advance.

[PARAGON]

It's like a vibrator, use your own.

General personal defense courses along with a handgun course could do nothing but help.

[dеiтайожни]

Oh crap, where did I put my bullet proof vest. :confused:

BTW - you just told the world you are home alone now and don't know how to defend yourself. I think not disclosing that sort of information is lesson 1. :giggling: :shhh: :popcorn:

[H2Blondie]

Call your local gun dealers and talk to them about what you are interested in learning; they can point you in the right direction. Another option is to call any local gun ranges, especially indoor ones, as many of them either teach handgun safety or know someone that does.

As for which gun to use, you will want to either use one of Ken's or get one of your own so that you can become comfortable handling and shooting it. Make sure before you ever pull it out that you are mentally capable of shooting to kill. A US Marshal once told me that it's better to face 12 in a box than 6 around your's!

[h2co-pilot]

BTW - you just told the world you are home alone now and don't know how to defend yourself. I think not disclosing that sort of information is lesson 1. :giggling: :shhh: :popcorn:

:jump:

Did I mention Kenny is in the shower?;):D


I guess I will call around or go check out the local shops sometime soon. I don't think I could kill, I never thought about it- well I guess I would if I felt threatened- I guess they would go over that in the course.

[PARAGON]

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/images/pdf/1-Day%20Pistol.pdf

[DDWH]

Get your blackbelt!:dancingbanana:

[Big Z]

Get A Smith & Wesson Featherlight 38spl with lasergrip. PLUS the course...will try to post the tactical course (Name) later....Smith w/laser=No Brainer! :shhh: ;)

[h2co-pilot]

I dunno about actually getting one, it is really not me. Unless of course they have a Gucci or Prada design or a pink one. Maybe a cute holster.;) I would just feel totally out of character buying one.

Get your blackbelt!:dancingbanana:

I took Krav Maga classes and believe me, I'm not afraid to bite, kick or rip a ball. :giggling:


But I am little and thought that I would feel more comfortable if I knew how to use one. Or at least have him at hello.

[H2Blondie]

Kel-Tec makes pink ones...no excuse now. Their 380 is a nice size if you plan on carrying it concealed.;)

[dеiтайожни]

I dunno about actually getting one, it is really not me. Unless of course they have a Gucci or Prada design or a pink one. Maybe a cute holster.;) I would just feel totally out of character buying one.

Here you go, a Gucci Glock.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3431/glock2kb3.jpg

[DRTYFN]

I took Krav Maga classes and believe me, I'm not afraid to bite, kick or rip a ball. :giggling:

Is that why Moonie is so feisty?:giggling:

Also, was there a description of the assailant? I'm sure the Elcovans would appreciate it so they could know who to be on the look out for. :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

[DRTYFN]

Here you go, a Gucci Glock.


This one is for the homies.:jump:

[Big Z]

This one is for the homies.:jump:

Now that's some funny $hit! :D :jump:

[Idaho-Hummer]

Now that's some funny $hit! :D :jump:

x2:perfect10s:

[ssgharkness020147]

CP,
Every range in my area always has an instructor. Now, generally they do not work at the range, but instead are some old timer that is retired and has been certified to instruct people on all the do's and dont's of shooting. I would advise you go this route to begin. The instructors will tell you everything you need to know on how to begin shooting, starting with the most rudimentary basics and going on up from there. Also, there are a number of guns at their disposal for you to try. Guns are all different CP, the caliber will affect the amount of recoil quite a bit. The angle of the "handle" aka grip will affect how the recoil impacts your body alot. This can make or break weather or not you like the gun, its all about how it shoots. Different strokes for different folks. If you want to start I say go for it. Its a great sport and can be alot of fun, but get someone qualified to instruct you and be safe. Oh and if the robber comes for you do me a favor: put a cap in that boyz ass. :D

[deserth3]

If you don't want a gun you can always get a dog. A Belgian Malinois or Tervuren make great guard dogs (cops use them), love to play and are always ready to do something. They weight in at 50 lbs.
Mine is a mix but she scares everyone who comes to the door.
Downside; If you have kids get a puppy. Mine is a rescue and you can tell the child she was with was never taught how to treat a dog. Now I have to watch her like a hawk around little kids.

If you get a gun, I'd suggest a semi-automatic. When you're panicy and someone's breaking in the front door, it's a lot easier to insert a clip than put bullets in a revolver.

[funkzilla]

spaz 12-guage...riot gun. make no mistakes leave no evidence.

[h2co-pilot]

Also, was there a description of the assailant? I'm sure the Elcovans would appreciate it so they could know who to be on the look out for. :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Black male. He was pretending to work on his car in a near-by mall parking lot and came up from behind her and choked her and threw her in her back seat and duct taped her until letting her go when he was done running errands or whatever. The scary thing was getting her address. It was never on the news so I assume there was a threat. She is a really nice older woman (50's probably), from what I understand she was bruised pretty badly. I thought someone was murdered with all the forensic units that were here. He had gloves on.

I was kidding about the designer guns. But I will be looking at my options and let you all know what I do. I would never carry and have to be safe with children in the house. Ken said he will help me figure stuff out as I don't even know what a magazine is etc. I may end up getting one as he said most of his are automatic and powerful and the only revolver he has is 357 or something and he said it will prolly be too powerful for a beginner.

I have said it before, I scare myself waiting for the toast to pop up out of the toaster and opening those pilsbury dough cans that pop open. So it should be interesting.:o :D Who knows, I could have an inner GI Jane or Gangsta bish.:giggling:

[GLBLWARMR]

Pump action shot guns are the best for home defense. With pistols, even with alot of training, there is a chance you could miss. I have only had two breakins into my house. Once I was not home. The other time we were sleeping. We heard them screwing with the slider. So I grabbed my shotgun and came out of the bedroom. I racked the son of a bitch once and the fvckers heard it and ran away. To bad I wanted to shoot them. The reason I say go with pump action is everyone knows that sound and if they hear that they will not hang around.

For everyday personal defense while walking around on the street, the best is tasers or pepper spray and self defense courses. If you go with pepper spray go with the kind with dye in them. Not only does it blind the person it will dye their skin so if they get away they will be easy to find.

[f5fstop]

Ya'll live in the south, so call the local Sheriff department and ask them if they run a self-defense or handgun safety course. When I lived in TN, I helped teach one with the local Sheriffs, and we had people from all walks of life come into the class. There were those that hated handguns, but someone in the house had them, so they were smart enough to know they should at least learn the basics, we had those who grew up with them, but smart enough to know you can always learn something new, etc.

If that is not a possibility, contact the NRA, their instructors are usually pretty damn good and they offer all sorts of training.

[DRTYFN]

If you don't want a gun you can always get a dog.
They've got a "dog".:OWNED:


Black male. He was pretending to work on his car...
This is a conspiracy.:jump::jump:

[ROX]

Call your local gun dealers and talk to them about what you are interested in learning; they can point you in the right direction. Another option is to call any local gun ranges, especially indoor ones, as many of them either teach handgun safety or know someone that does.Excellent advise for a beginner. However, I would not use one of Kens, I would go find one that fits your palm, like a nice pair of jeans. If you want it near you or on you, you'll have to be extra careful with kids around, but if your worried about that freak jacking your car while you're not looking, you better get really comfortable with the idea of having a loaded weapon around. LEARN AND PRACTICE TILL ITS SECOND NATURE! Victorias Secret was selling a bra that had a spot for a gun, but I'm not sure if they still have them.

Shotguns are good, but almost never in a handy spot if you need it, and they're kind of difficult to conceal, so only work good in home defense. IMO.

I've been trying to figure out a good way to conceal a gun in the entry way of our home, without anyone knowing it's there. I hate it when people come to the door and I have to open it without having a backup. Especially out in the country. Maybe I'll just give the 6 year old the scatter gun and have him stand behind me. ;)

Good luck, and be careful, friend!

[PARAGON]

spaz 12-guageis that you holding a 12 gauge?

[funkzilla]

is that you holding a 12 gauge?

yep that's me standing next to the red mist that was the arsehole that broke into my house

[KenP]

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/images/pdf/1-Day%20Pistol.pdfI think the world of that company.:jump:

[f5fstop]

Excellent advise for a beginner. However, I would not use one of Kens, I would go find one that fits your palm, like a nice pair of jeans. If you want it near you or on you, you'll have to be extra careful with kids around, but if your worried about that freak jacking your car while you're not looking, you better get really comfortable with the idea of having a loaded weapon around. LEARN AND PRACTICE TILL ITS SECOND NATURE! Victorias Secret was selling a bra that had a spot for a gun, but I'm not sure if they still have them.

Shotguns are good, but almost never in a handy spot if you need it, and they're kind of difficult to conceal, so only work good in home defense. IMO.

I've been trying to figure out a good way to conceal a gun in the entry way of our home, without anyone knowing it's there. I hate it when people come to the door and I have to open it without having a backup. Especially out in the country. Maybe I'll just give the 6 year old the scatter gun and have him stand behind me. ;)

Good luck, and be careful, friend!

You don't have a peephole in the door to see who is there? If not, get one.
As for the gun and a young child; not sure what I would have done. When my kids were that young, I wore a handgun 24/7, unless in bed, so the gun was always at my side, or in a bedside safe (part of the alarm clock), and my kids were taught gun safety starting around 7 years of age.

I would also suggest getting a handgun carry license, so that for those times you need to carry off the property, you are legal.

[KenP]

I've had guns all my life. Literally since I was a kid.

I think she'd be fine with a S&W .38 with the laser sight. Heck, she probably doesn't need the sights anyway. Just point and shoot.

For the record, the carjacking DID NOT take place in our 'hood. It happened at a mall parking lot. Forensics was at their house for awhile going over the car.

[Mrs.ssippi]

Thank God they used duct tape and not Hurricane Tape that woman would still be trying to get out. :giggling: Sorry I just had to say it.

[CO Hummer]

First of all - you should carry, you should get your own gun, and you should practice a TON.


But most important --- Think of the great conversions you could have at your tea parties.

"Hey, did you see those new Gucci handbags that just came out?".

"No, but check out this Glock. I could cap you Mo Fos right now........"

[f5fstop]

If you have to pull and shoot to save your life, you don't have time to obtain a sight through handgun sights anyway. You have to learn to shoot at chest level for those times, sights are not practical.

[PARAGON]

see the front post, be the front post, become one with the front post

[BlueTJCO]

Is that why Moonie is so feisty?:giggling:

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

You know I'm not feisty:rant: ........But I agree that Krav Maga Classes are the way to go. You learn a lot of valuable "street tactics" as they would call them in defending yourself with the maximum force available. Krav Maga is a downright lethal self defense martial art.

[BlueTJCO]

Oh, and your local Wal Mart will have a list of places near you that have "Firearms Safety Courses" I think...At least ours did...

[f5fstop]

Possibly, almost certainly if they are top of you, but that's why you practice shooting from retention. However, there are times when not taking a sight picture can have disastrous results, especially if a hostage or innocent becomes the backstop. I personally would not shoot from retention any further 2-3 yds, anything over that and they will be in my sights when they are engaged.A vast amount of it is about about practice, when the SHTF you will do what you practice.


Not talking about a hostage situation, don't believe most civilians would be put into that situation and if they were, they would be unequipped to handle it correctly. Hostage situations do require a sight picture and one hell of a steady hand.;)
As for innocents behind the intended target, that has to be taken into consideration, but shooting at the chest of a grown man, ten feet away, at chest level is not a hard thing to do. (Been there and done that.)

What I was implying is that under most situations a civilian will encounter, the time to obtain a perfect sight picture is not in the equation.

As for practice, I could not agree more. It is extremely important since muscle memory will be what makes you hit the target. However, I do tell people don't go out to a range, sight in on a target, fire off 50 rounds and go home. If that is all a person does, when the sh*t hits the fan, that is what they will do and it may not be fast enough. Fire off 50 rounds at chest level, and when you get good enough, and it is safe enough, draw and fire at chest level; fire while running back against the strong arm side of the shooter, learn to shoot from cover. Heck, take the time to walk through your own house and find areas it would be safe to shoot from such as a wall with a refridge on the other side, or a stove, something stronger than plaster. Surprising how many people think a bullet will be stopped by a plaster wall, as it is on TV.

[KenP]

Possibly, almost certainly if they are top of you, but that's why you practice shooting from retention. However, there are times when not taking a sight picture can have disastrous results, especially if a hostage or innocent becomes the backstop. I personally would not shoot from retention any further 2-3 yds, anything over that and they will be in my sights when they are engaged.A vast amount of it is about about practice, when the SHTF you will do what you practice.Phil, I've seen some of your pics. Maybe we should just schedule a trip to Corpus for a few days.:jump:

[KenP]

So... uh... We can visit....?

Probably shouldn't. You'd keep me up late drinking.:giggling:

[ratesguy]

shotgun for home protection. Perps know the sound of a pump action and know that accuracy is not an issue. Handguns are not accurate at anything other than close range. I keep a model 11 auto under my bed, ammo in the closet 4 steps away. Perps can still hear the unmistakable sound of the action when I chamber a round.:beerchug:

[h2co-pilot]

First of all - you should carry, you should get your own gun, and you should practice a TON.


But most important --- Think of the great conversions you could have at your tea parties.

"Hey, did you see those new Gucci handbags that just came out?".

"No, but check out this Glock. I could cap you Mo Fos right now........"


LMAO! I think I just woke the whole family.:o:D:D:D

[lotus4s]

I racked the son of a bitch once and the fvckers heard it and ran away.


An old retired deputy told me once, "it doesn't matter what nationality or color they are, everybody speaks shotgun".

:jump: :jump:

[PARAGON]

I practice the run the other way while firing backwards drills

[PARAGON]

Here you go, a Gucci Glock.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3431/glock2kb3.jpg

Since I know that's not your style

here:

http://lace_violet.tripod.com/hellokitty/pinkgun

[Mr. I - Man]

A shotgun is a very formidable weapon and certainly intimidating. I have a Beretta FP1201 in the bedroom, but I'm a great believer that an unloaded firearm is an expensive club, so it is loaded and the only sound a BG would hear, well actually he wouldn't hear any sound.

A shotgun does not make a very good carry weapon, a pistol does. You can have a pistol nearby 24/7.

As to the accuracy of a handgun, you can engage targets out to 25 yds while moving with a good degree of accuracy, although in 99% of self defense scenarios there is rarely a need to use deadly force against someone 25 yds away. If you do need to engage at those kind of distances, use the handgun to get you to a rifle.

The beretta does not make alot of noise when you chamber a round. Its more of a suprise weapon than a deterent. I have the same weapon same setup at home shells are stagger loaded first shot 00 buck, second shot Hydro Shok Sabot slug and so on. If you don't hit him with the spread pattern first shot The second shot you will have an accurate shot for aleast 30 yards when the would be jacker is attempting to flee.:clapping:

[KenP]

I think once you have a BG in the house, the deterrent effect is less important than simply stopping the threat. If someone is in my house my sole purpose will be to stop them, not deter them.Is that how the English say "kill them"?:giggling:

[Mr. I - Man]

I think once you have a BG in the house, the deterrent effect is less important than simply stopping the threat. If someone is in my house my sole purpose will be to stop them, not deter them.

Just have to remember what is in there, don't want to shoot a slug through a wall and possibly in to whoever may be behind the wall., Also a slug can and will bounce back at you if it hits something solid enough. Slugs reuire you to aim, shot doesn't. Nothing wrong with slugs, but 00 is plenty effective in a shotgun for defensive duty.

Some people like to mix rounds up, I personally don't. Much easier to use all the same ammo and you'll get much more consistant results.

Hydro Shok Sabot bounce??:confused: . Lead Mushrooms with steel posts in the middle tend not to bounce back at you or over penetrate too much. Remember its not a deer slug its a people slug:D

I figure if by chance of a divine intervention the 00 does not stop the Fvcker he is gonna be beating feet out of there thats where the range of the slug comes in handy .

[CO Hummer]

Funny thing about Colorado - You are only "allowed" to shoot a BG if he's "demonstrating intent" to harm you while inside of your house! :mad: What a load of crap. If I wake up in the middle of the night and find some guy walking around in our house looking around - he's going down, and I'll question him later if he's still breathing.

The stupid law actually creates the incentive for a second shot. :D If he's still breathing, you know he'll end up suing you later as he tries to prove how he was "harmlessly" walking around in your house. So...........boom, boom. No witnesses. But you do need to carry plenty of ammo because if he's in your house with buddies, you'll pretty much need to make sure you get all of them. :D :D :D

[CO Hummer]

The BG's family will sue you, even if the BG is dead. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose :mad:

Good point. I guess you have to take out his wallet, see where he lives, then drive there and take care of them too. :D

[DRTYFN]

Good point. I guess you have to take out his wallet, see where he lives, then drive there and take care of them too. :D
http://www.homedepot.com/cmc_upload/HDUS/EN_US/asset/images/eplus/102835_3.jpg Keep a couple of rolls of this stuff handy for those wrapping projects, scout out a dumping site beforehand and bring an accelerant to destroy any physical evidence. :shhh: :giggling:

[wpage]

Good advise about a local range for advise and trying out what feels good in your hand. Lots of choices in calibers small and big bore. Grips smooth or soft rubber. Barrel lengths for range accuracy. Then decide.
Some folks buy the gun first which is backwards...

[PARAGON]

Good point. I guess you have to take out his wallet, see where he lives, then drive there and take care of them too. :D:dancingbanana: :jump:

[PARAGON]

Good advise about a local range for advise and trying out what feels good in your hand. Lots of choices in calibers small and big bore. Grips smooth or soft rubber. Barrel lengths for range accuracy. Then decide.
Some folks buy the gun first which is backwards...:lame:

[Dug]

Got a Rem.7400 for christmas. I'd like to leave it loaded beside my bed but i have little kiddies and have to hide the ammo. Besides the only intruders we're apt to have here is a bear or two.

[PARAGON]

FWIW, I don't employ a shotgun in my personal defense, at home or otherwise as a first weapon choice.

While hugely effective during the shot, it's effectiveness to get to shot is, in real world, not efficient. The very nature of it's size and complexity leaves room for error. With kids, lawsuits, practicality of having it at the ready, I don't choose it as the first weapon. In reality I am likely to get hands on a handgun quicker and be able to effect control with it in my situation. In cases, where time or location permits, an M4 is likely next and the shotgun next.

Just personal choice with my home, kids and personal training.

[Mr. I - Man]

FWIW, I don't employ a shotgun in my personal defense, at home or otherwise as a first weapon choice.

While hugely effective during the shot, it's effectiveness to get to shot is, in real world, not efficient. The very nature of it's size and complexity leaves room for error. With kids, lawsuits, practicality of having it at the ready, I don't choose it as the first weapon. In reality I am likely to get hands on a handgun quicker and be able to effect control with it in my situation. In cases, where time or location permits, an M4 is likely next and the shotgun next.

Just personal choice with my home, kids and personal training.
I wish!
Chicago = no handgun or assault rifle:crying:

[Mr. I - Man]

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

[PARAGON]

I wish!
Chicago = no handgun or assault rifle:crying:

"Toward Enemy" :giggling:

[wpage]

"Toward Enemy" :giggling:
They let you own a Gun?

[PARAGON]

They let you own a Gun?f'ing moron


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/Claymore_mine_af.jpg/695px-Claymore_mine_af.jpg

[PARAGON]

They let you own a Gun?

"They" even let me carry one in New Jersey

[Mr. I - Man]

"Toward Enemy" :giggling:

Actually my Plan B is to pop my S&W CS riot agent baseball put my FP mask and kick the sh*t out of the BG as he coughs,gags and slips and slides on his own mucous, blood and tears.
:jump: :jump: :jump:

Now that brings da funnay!!