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HummerHippy

10-25-2006, 01:30 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15408508/

Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad
Conservative talk show host accuses actor of faking Parkinson's disease:mad:

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 01:47 PM

yea the fat ass pill pop'n pud puller should shut his head.

h2co-pilot

10-25-2006, 02:32 PM

What can you say?:o It's a shame (for republicans) that he did that so close to the election. I haven't seen the commercial, anyone?

h2co-pilot

10-25-2006, 02:39 PM

DRTYFN

10-25-2006, 04:25 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15408508/

Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad
Conservative talk show host accuses actor of faking Parkinson's disease:mad:

No, you need to have listened to his show to understand the context of the statement. While I find Rush to be quite full of himself most of the time and usually listen to him only once in a while, what he said is dead on. Michael J. Fox is being used by the lieberals on this one. The misinformation being knowingly & willfully spewed by the Democrats is unbelievable. In a nutshell, the type of embryonic stem cell therapy that Michael J. is crying about is well known to cause tumors downstream of the injection point and is proven to be ineffective. There is a much more effective and promising therapy that uses adult basal cells, but the f*cking lieberals NEVER say a god damn word about that - they continually piss & moan about how President Bush won't fund the embryonic stem cell research. Well, guess what? There's no private funding for it either. Know why? Because it doesn't work and no matter how much money is thrown at it won't change that. So in closing, Michael J. Fox is being used like a puppet in an attempt to cast president Bush in a bad light on this. I don't see either of the c*nts, Nancy Pelosi or Hillary, diverting any funds to this.:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 04:49 PM

No, you need to have listened to his show to understand the context of the statement. While I find Rush to be quite full of himself most of the time and usually listen to him only once in a while, what he said is dead on. Michael J. Fox is being used by the lieberals on this one. The misinformation being knowingly & willfully spewed by the Democrats is unbelievable. In a nutshell, the type of embryonic stem cell therapy that Michael J. is crying about is well known to cause tumors downstream of the injection point and is proven to be ineffective. There is a much more effective and promising therapy that uses adult basal cells, but the f*cking lieberals NEVER say a god damn word about that - they continually piss & moan about how President Bush won't fund the embryonic stem cell research. Well, guess what? There's no private funding for it either. Know why? Because it doesn't work and no matter how much money is thrown at it won't change that. So in closing, Michael J. Fox is being used like a puppet in an attempt to cast president Bush in a bad light on this. I don't see either of the c*nts, Nancy Pelosi or Hillary, diverting any funds to this.:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

The issue is quite a bit more complicated than that...your info is also a little slanted...MJF and others are looking to remove the ban on government funding of embryonic stem cell research. You are giving one argument that the right has spit out to attempt to scare people into falling in line.

To say that someone is faking a condition like that is just f'ed up. MJF admits that he foregos his meds to demonstrate the illness in its raw form. Not everyone has the money or ability to get the meds to cope.

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 04:51 PM

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 04:55 PM

The issue is quite a bit more complicated than that...your info is also a little slanted...MJF and others are looking to remove the ban on government funding of embryonic stem cell research. You are giving one argument that the right has spit out to attempt to scare people into falling in line.

To say that someone is faking a condition like that is just f'ed up. MJF admits that he foregos his meds to demonstrate the illness in its raw form. Not everyone has the money or ability to get the meds to cope.

Give me a f'ing break. So he forgoes his meds (but conveniently forgets to let the viewer know this). BS!!!! It's pure acting. His movements are voluntary and controlled, not jerky.

This issue is not complicated, it's very simple.

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 04:56 PM

I agree with Rush. Everyone knows he has Parkinson's and there was no need for the exaggerated movements. If he was having a "bad day" they should have rescheduled.

F'ing dog and pony show.:lame:

He seems to be OK enough to talk elsewhere and to campaign without flopping around. http://mfile.akamai.com/12906/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/1025/10153680.200k.asx

Get PD or MS or MD and we can talk.

He is showing the true side of the illness and giving the public an idea of just what some people who cant afford the meds have to deal with.

DRTYFN

10-25-2006, 05:01 PM

The issue is quite a bit more complicated than that...your info is also a little slanted...MJF and others are looking to remove the ban on government funding of embryonic stem cell research. You are giving one argument that the right has spit out to attempt to scare people into falling in line.

To say that someone is faking a condition like that is just f'ed up. MJF admits that he foregos his meds to demonstrate the illness in its raw form. Not everyone has the money or ability to get the meds to cope.
Reading comprehension owns you. Rush NEVER said MJF was faking. And for you and everyone else that has bitten on the baited hook and run with it you should all be ashamed.

Do some research on the type of embryonic stem cell therapy the left is pissing & moaning about. I sure as hell wouldn't want that stuff injected into myself.

WhyTF would someone want to throw money at something that's proven not to work? Maybe they just want an issue to argue that they know that to the uninformed sounds bad and the other side won't change their stand on.

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 05:03 PM

Get PD or MS or MD and we can talk.

He is showing the true side of the illness and giving the public an idea of just what some people who cant afford the meds have to deal with.

That's absurd. He is not showing crap, except the sensationlism that the Democrats have always utilized from the acting crowd.

So, since all of the people that don't have PD, MS or MD can't talk about it, they need to vote against anything or anyone that supports any research into it.

F'ing moron.

f5fstop

10-25-2006, 05:04 PM

I found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo

Now, it could be debated that he certainly was able to control movements for longer than that while taping "Boston Legal" etc. and that he intensionally let go or exaggerated for effect- which was the intention anyway. But it is a sad disease no matter or doubt.

Fawking Celebs anyway.:rolleyes:

Very good point...he sure looked a lot different when playing across the the hottie on Boston Legal. But I do understand that the Liberals will do anything to win this year's elections, and if it means bringing in someone like Fox to explout their cause, they will.

As for tumors and embryonic stem cell usage, here is an article that mentions some LIBERAL colleges and their studies, and the tumors resulting in the use of embryonic stem cells in mice. So to say it is a right or left wing statement is incorrect.

Rochester, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Scientists working with embryonic stem cell research on animals reconfirmed what pro-life advocates have been saying for years about it. Researcher Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center said injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of patients with Parkinson's disease would cause tumors.

Goldman's research team has been injecting the controversial cells into rats that have the disease and the cells turned into tumors afterwards.

The scientists explained their findings in an article in the latest issue of Nature Medicine.

They said the embryonic stem cell injections helped some of the rats but some of the cells started growing in a manner that would eventually lead to a tumor.

"The behavioral data validate the utility of the approach. But it also raises a cautionary flag and says we are not ready for prime time yet," Goldman told the Washington Post.

He conceded that considerably more research would need to be done to determine whether the tumor problems could ever be overcome.

Parkinson's is a disease where dopamine-releasing cells in the brain die out, which leads to muscle dysfunction and can eventually cause paralysis. The goal of stem cell research in Parkinson's is to replace the dead cells with stem cells that form into new dopamine cells.

Goldman's team used human embryonic stem cells obtained by killing days-old unborn children that were grown in a special chemical used to coax them into becoming brain cells.

The team killed the rats before they could determine that the tumors that appeared to be growing actually finished appearing and they said that any embryonic stem cell treatments on humans, which has never been tried, would have to be closely monitored.

Some autopsies on the rats found tumors and that the embryonic stem cells began to grow uncontrollably rather than becoming the dopamine cells as intended.

Another team led by Ole Isacson, a Harvard Medical School professor of neuroscience and neurology, published similar results earlier this month in the online journal Stem Cells and found that the embryonic stem cells also produced tumors.

Adult stem cells have not had the same problems and have been used successfully to treat dozens of diseases and conditions. But scientists have said they don't think embryonic stem cell research will lead to a cure for Parkinson's.

University of Melbourne Emeritus Professor of Medicine Thomas Martin told Australian lawmakers recently that he did not think that embryonic stem cell research would even lead to cures for major diseases such as diabetes or Parkinson's.

Martin, an internationally recognized Fellow of the Royal Society, said the embryonic stem cells produced from human cloning would have the same problems.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio1810.html

DRTYFN

10-25-2006, 05:07 PM

Like I said - tumors downstream of the injection point and ineffective therapy.

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 05:20 PM

Reading comprehension owns you. Rush NEVER said MJF was faking. And for you and everyone else that has bitten on the baited hook and run with it you should all be ashamed.

Do some research on the type of embryonic stem cell therapy the left is pissing & moaning about. I sure as hell wouldn't want that stuff injected into myself.

WhyTF would someone want to throw money at something that's proven not to work? Maybe they just want an issue to argue that they know that to the uninformed sounds bad and the other side won't change their stand on.

I think I have done the best research possible...living with it. If you have any questions call UT Southwestern's MS clinic and have a talk with them regarding ES and how it has not been fully utilized. So until you actually have a condition that could someday be cured by ES, quit suckin on the teet of mainstream republican press.

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 05:23 PM

I think I have done the best research possible..

Your research sucks then.

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 05:30 PM

Your research sucks then.

no ****...watching your spouse slowly fall apart does suck. thanks for your concern

KenP

10-25-2006, 05:31 PM

I have a problem with us, the viewers of the commercial, not being given the facts of the commercial.

Where's Christopher Reeve?:rolleyes:

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 05:34 PM

no ****...watching your spouse slowly fall apart does suck. thanks for your concern

what does that have to do with your ****ty research?

and You're Welcome.

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 05:38 PM

I have a problem with us, the viewers of the commercial, not being given the facts of the commercial.

Where's Christopher Reeve?:rolleyes:

I agree. He should have said he was not on his meds, so folks could see what others have to deal with.

The main argument most have is the destruction of the human embryo...so they quote the same med journal over and over that states that early indications showed issues with the injections (they and now looking at gene interaction with the stems...not injecting btw). The embryos are being flushed anyway from millions of people who are going thru fertility treatments...so if it is getting flushed why cant it at least get used in research.

Mrs.ssippi

10-25-2006, 05:38 PM

I think I have done the best research possible...living with it. If you have any questions call UT Southwestern's MS clinic and have a talk with them regarding ES and how it has not been fully utilized. So until you actually have a condition that could someday be cured by ES, quit suckin on the teet of mainstream republican press. I understand the need to do research and the money that is needed for that, but don't you think they can go about it a different way. How would you like to have PD, MS. or LGD and then have to deal with a second problem ie: tumors. I don't think so. And I'm not even talking about the un-ethical or ethical points on this. I will not even open that can of worms, I'm just talking about the health of someone that is already sick. Why not take it from the blood from the embilical cords of all of these babies being born everyday. You know I did not save any cord blood from both of my children someone could have taken that and tried to get all of "the good stuff" from it. I would have signed it over. To me that would be just like organ donations. My point is there are other ways to get the cells that the doctors need.

And I do think the Michael J Fox deal is just bad, so now we have reached the point that we go beyond the normal bad cut throat politics and now it becomes a freak show. That is just not right. Do we show women with their bare chest and scars after they had a breast removed? No that would never be aloud, but to me it is the same thing.

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 05:40 PM

what does that have to do with your ****ty research?

and You're Welcome.

Living with an illness day to day is the best way to really understand.

Kind of like if I was to try to tell you what it is like to be a fat bastard with a limited IQ and no job...

Your welcome.

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 05:41 PM

I agree. He should have said he was not on his meds, so folks could see what others have to deal with.

The main argument most have is the destruction of the human embryo...so they quote the same med journal over and over that states that early indications showed issues with the injections (they and now looking at gene interaction with the stems...not injecting btw). The embryos are being flushed anyway from millions of people who are going thru fertility treatments...so if it is getting flushed why cant it at least get used in research.

We could talk to you about it, but we don't have MS. Sorry!

KenP

10-25-2006, 05:43 PM

The embryos are being flushed anyway from millions of people who are going thru fertility treatments...so if it is getting flushed why cant it at least get used in research.I'm very, very conservative, but I have to agree. Put the garbage to use.

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 05:44 PM

Living with an illness day to day is the best way to really understand.

Kind of like if I was to try to tell you what it is like to be a fat bastard with a limited IQ and no job...

Your welcome.So, my living with my RARE illness is the best way to understand. No ****?

I could tell you what it's like to have a limited IQ and no job (my IQ has probably dropped many points since the onset of my illness) but, since YOU personally don't have an illness, I really can't.

f5fstop

10-25-2006, 05:45 PM

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 06:44 PM

Harvard University is mainstream republican press?:OWNED: That article I quote was also in the Detroit Free Press, a well known liberal rag, and the Detroit News, a well known conservative rag.
It is not a mainstream republican article!

Here is some new info for you to digest from Harvard

Approval granted for Harvard Stem Cell Institute researchers to attempt creation of disease-specific embryonic stem cell lines

Press conference
Bios of Harvard stem cell researchers:

Douglas A. Melton
Douglas A. Melton
(Download photo)
Kevin C. Eggan
Kevin C. Eggan
(Download photo)
George Q. Daley
George Q. Daley
(Download photo)
Related links:

Harvard Stem Cell Institute
Contact: B.D. Colen
(617) 495-7821
(617) 413-1224 (cell)

After more than two years of intensive ethical and scientific review, Harvard Stem Cell Institute (HSCI) researchers at Harvard and Children's Hospital Boston have been cleared to begin experiments using Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer (SCNT) to create disease-specific stem cell lines in an effort to develop treatments for a wide range of now-incurable conditions afflicting tens of millions of people.

As far as is known, this decision marks the beginning of the first noncommercial effort in the United States to use human embryonic stem cells in a series of experiments whose principle has already been proven in animals. The work is being entirely supported with private funds because of the federal restrictions on human embryonic stem cell work. If successful, it will mark a major step forward in the effort to use stem cells to treat chronic diseases.

The work will be conducted by two groups headed by HSCI senior investigators: Douglas Melton, co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute and Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor of Natural Science in Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS), and HSCI principal faculty member Assistant Professor Kevin Eggan, of the FAS Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology; and Harvard Medical School Associate Professor George Daley of Children's Hospital Boston, who has already begun some of his experiments.

Melton's work will focus on diabetes; Eggan will initially work with Melton on diabetes, and then plans to focus on neurodegenerative diseases, such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) - better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Daley's group will focus on blood disorders. Daley was one of the principal scientists who in 2002 demonstrated in a mouse model the feasibility of using SCNT to treat immune deficiency.

Harvard University Provost Steven E. Hyman said during a June 6 telephone press conference that the work has been the subject of "more than two years of thoughtful, intensive review by as many as eight different Institutional Review Boards and Stem Cell oversight committees at five different institutions," including Harvard, Children's Hospital, Partners Health Care, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston IVF, and Columbia University.

Harvard University President Lawrence H. Summers called the approvals "a seminal event in the University's effort to advance this tremendously promising area of science and fulfill that promise as quickly as possible for the countless patients suffering from diabetes, Parkinson's disease, heart disease, cancers, and a host of other illnesses.

"While we understand and respect the sincerely held beliefs of those who oppose this research, we are equally sincere in our belief that the life-and-death medical needs of countless suffering children and adults justifies moving forward with this research," Summers said, referring to the controversy over embryonic stem cell work.

The Harvard Stem Cell Institute, co-directed by Melton, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator, and David Scadden, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and director of the Center of Regenerative Medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital, is a unique collaborative effort that includes 99 principal investigators and hundreds of additional scientists in laboratories at Harvard University and at many of Harvard's affiliated hospitals. The institute is dedicated to advancing all forms of stem cell science from laboratory bench to patient bedside as quickly as possible.

Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer involves removing nuclei, which contain the cellular DNA (genes) from egg cells, and replacing them with the nuclei of donor cells. The resulting cell is subject to a chemical, or electrical, charge that triggers cell division and the creation of an embryo genetically identical to the donor of the nuclei. In the HSCI experiments, aimed at understanding diseases, the nuclei will be taken from skin cells donated by patients suffering from diabetes, blood diseases, and neurodegenerative diseases.

The controversy

Research involving human embryonic stem cells is controversial because extracting the cells - which can differentiate into any cell or tissue type in the body - requires the destruction of a human embryo, albeit a blastocyst of only a few hundred cells, literally half the size of the period at the end of this sentence. Opponents of the work contend that no potential medical benefit can justify the destruction of what they view as a human life, or even as a person.

But Melton responds that "all human cells, even individual sperm and eggs, are 'living.' The relevant question is 'when does personhood begin?' That's a valid theological or philosophical question, but from the scientific perspective, this work holds enormous potential to save lives, cure diseases, and improve the health of millions of people. The reality of the suffering of those individuals far outweighs the potential of blastocysts that would never be implanted and allowed to come to term even if we did not do this research," he said.

Melton, in collaboration with Kevin Eggan and Douglas Powers of Boston IVF , has already created 31 stem cell lines using left-over frozen embryos donated by couples who went through in vitro fertilization (IVF), and has distributed those stem cell lines to scientists around the world.

The work

Embryonic stem cells are the master cells of the body, capable of developing into any tissue type. The researchers will seek to learn how to control that differentiation, with a goal of eventually creating lines of cells that can, for instance, produce insulin-making islet cells in the pancreas, which are depleted or absent in diabetics. Melton and Eggan's first nuclear transfer experiments will attempt to create diabetes specific stem cells by removing the nuclei from skin cells taken from diabetic volunteers at the Naomi Berrie Diabetes Center at Columbia University Medical Center and inserting them into donor eggs from which the nuclei have been removed.

In addition to collaborating with Melton on this project, Eggan, whose work is supported by the Stowers Medical Institute, is seeking approvals to study diseases of the nervous system.

Children's Hospital researcher and HSCI Executive Committee member George Daley explains that the ultimate goal of all three HSCI researchers, once they understand how embryonic stem cells are programmed to differentiate into specific cell types, is to literally move a patient's disease into a petri [laboratory] dish. "We plan to take skin cells from a patient with a genetic disease, like sickle cell anemia or any one of more than 40 bone marrow disorders, and reprogram that skin cell back to its embryonic state. We can then study the disease using these cells, correct their genetic defects and coax the repaired cells to become normal blood cells. Our ultimate goal is to return the repaired cells to the patients." Such cells, genetically identical to the patients receiving them, would be accepted by the patient's immune system and wouldn't require the use of immunosuppressive drugs.

Speaking of the IRB decisions at Harvard, Children's Hospital, Boston IVF, Brigham and Women's Hospital - where Daley is obtaining ova for his experiments - and Columbia University allowing the Harvard Stem Cell Institute SCNT work to proceed, Melton says, "I think Harvard University has done the right thing by giving this research very careful review by multiple boards, and allowing plenty of time for reconsideration and reflection. If this new technology is to realize its promise, scientists should have the support of the community and proceed deliberately and carefully."

f5fstop

10-25-2006, 09:17 PM

Here is some new info for you to digest from Harvard

Approval granted for Harvard Stem Cell Institute researchers to attempt creation of disease-specific embryonic stem cell lines

Press conference
Bios of Harvard stem cell researchers:

Douglas A. Melton
Douglas A. Melton
(Download photo)
Kevin C. Eggan
Kevin C. Eggan
(Download photo)
George Q. Daley
George Q. Daley
(Download photo)
Related links:

Harvard Stem Cell Institute
Contact: B.D. Colen
(617) 495-7821
(617) 413-1224 (cell)

After more than two years of intensive ethical and scientific review, Harvard Stem Cell Institute (HSCI) researchers at Harvard and Children's Hospital Boston have been cleared to begin experiments using Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer (SCNT) to create disease-specific stem cell lines in an effort to develop treatments for a wide range of now-incurable conditions afflicting tens of millions of people.

As far as is known, this decision marks the beginning of the first noncommercial effort in the United States to use human embryonic stem cells in a series of experiments whose principle has already been proven in animals. The work is being entirely supported with private funds because of the federal restrictions on human embryonic stem cell work. If successful, it will mark a major step forward in the effort to use stem cells to treat chronic diseases.

The work will be conducted by two groups headed by HSCI senior investigators: Douglas Melton, co-director of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute and Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor of Natural Science in Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS), and HSCI principal faculty member Assistant Professor Kevin Eggan, of the FAS Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology; and Harvard Medical School Associate Professor George Daley of Children's Hospital Boston, who has already begun some of his experiments.

Melton's work will focus on diabetes; Eggan will initially work with Melton on diabetes, and then plans to focus on neurodegenerative diseases, such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) - better known as Lou Gehrig's disease. Daley's group will focus on blood disorders. Daley was one of the principal scientists who in 2002 demonstrated in a mouse model the feasibility of using SCNT to treat immune deficiency.

Harvard University Provost Steven E. Hyman said during a June 6 telephone press conference that the work has been the subject of "more than two years of thoughtful, intensive review by as many as eight different Institutional Review Boards and Stem Cell oversight committees at five different institutions," including Harvard, Children's Hospital, Partners Health Care, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston IVF, and Columbia University.

Harvard University President Lawrence H. Summers called the approvals "a seminal event in the University's effort to advance this tremendously promising area of science and fulfill that promise as quickly as possible for the countless patients suffering from diabetes, Parkinson's disease, heart disease, cancers, and a host of other illnesses.

"While we understand and respect the sincerely held beliefs of those who oppose this research, we are equally sincere in our belief that the life-and-death medical needs of countless suffering children and adults justifies moving forward with this research," Summers said, referring to the controversy over embryonic stem cell work.

The Harvard Stem Cell Institute, co-directed by Melton, a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator, and David Scadden, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and director of the Center of Regenerative Medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital, is a unique collaborative effort that includes 99 principal investigators and hundreds of additional scientists in laboratories at Harvard University and at many of Harvard's affiliated hospitals. The institute is dedicated to advancing all forms of stem cell science from laboratory bench to patient bedside as quickly as possible.

Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer involves removing nuclei, which contain the cellular DNA (genes) from egg cells, and replacing them with the nuclei of donor cells. The resulting cell is subject to a chemical, or electrical, charge that triggers cell division and the creation of an embryo genetically identical to the donor of the nuclei. In the HSCI experiments, aimed at understanding diseases, the nuclei will be taken from skin cells donated by patients suffering from diabetes, blood diseases, and neurodegenerative diseases.

The controversy

Research involving human embryonic stem cells is controversial because extracting the cells - which can differentiate into any cell or tissue type in the body - requires the destruction of a human embryo, albeit a blastocyst of only a few hundred cells, literally half the size of the period at the end of this sentence. Opponents of the work contend that no potential medical benefit can justify the destruction of what they view as a human life, or even as a person.

But Melton responds that "all human cells, even individual sperm and eggs, are 'living.' The relevant question is 'when does personhood begin?' That's a valid theological or philosophical question, but from the scientific perspective, this work holds enormous potential to save lives, cure diseases, and improve the health of millions of people. The reality of the suffering of those individuals far outweighs the potential of blastocysts that would never be implanted and allowed to come to term even if we did not do this research," he said.

Melton, in collaboration with Kevin Eggan and Douglas Powers of Boston IVF , has already created 31 stem cell lines using left-over frozen embryos donated by couples who went through in vitro fertilization (IVF), and has distributed those stem cell lines to scientists around the world.

The work

Embryonic stem cells are the master cells of the body, capable of developing into any tissue type. The researchers will seek to learn how to control that differentiation, with a goal of eventually creating lines of cells that can, for instance, produce insulin-making islet cells in the pancreas, which are depleted or absent in diabetics. Melton and Eggan's first nuclear transfer experiments will attempt to create diabetes specific stem cells by removing the nuclei from skin cells taken from diabetic volunteers at the Naomi Berrie Diabetes Center at Columbia University Medical Center and inserting them into donor eggs from which the nuclei have been removed.

In addition to collaborating with Melton on this project, Eggan, whose work is supported by the Stowers Medical Institute, is seeking approvals to study diseases of the nervous system.

Children's Hospital researcher and HSCI Executive Committee member George Daley explains that the ultimate goal of all three HSCI researchers, once they understand how embryonic stem cells are programmed to differentiate into specific cell types, is to literally move a patient's disease into a petri [laboratory] dish. "We plan to take skin cells from a patient with a genetic disease, like sickle cell anemia or any one of more than 40 bone marrow disorders, and reprogram that skin cell back to its embryonic state. We can then study the disease using these cells, correct their genetic defects and coax the repaired cells to become normal blood cells. Our ultimate goal is to return the repaired cells to the patients." Such cells, genetically identical to the patients receiving them, would be accepted by the patient's immune system and wouldn't require the use of immunosuppressive drugs.

Speaking of the IRB decisions at Harvard, Children's Hospital, Boston IVF, Brigham and Women's Hospital - where Daley is obtaining ova for his experiments - and Columbia University allowing the Harvard Stem Cell Institute SCNT work to proceed, Melton says, "I think Harvard University has done the right thing by giving this research very careful review by multiple boards, and allowing plenty of time for reconsideration and reflection. If this new technology is to realize its promise, scientists should have the support of the community and proceed deliberately and carefully."

You just proved my point...Harvard is NOT a known hotbed of conservatives. Yes, they are researching it, and some research is not what everyone likes.

As for a conservative vs. liberal view; has anyone counted how many are killed each year due to liberal views on gun control (e.g., Illinois, Washington DC, etc.) where a law abiding citizen cannot defend themself against a criminal with a gun? Not to change the subject, but I know someone who died due to the fact they could not defend themself against a criminal with a gun.

funkzilla

10-25-2006, 09:24 PM

PARAGON

10-25-2006, 10:51 PM

I am as conservative as they come on most everything...I hate the fact this topic has gotten so political.

Horry chit!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

I hope and pray you don't have a CHL because you don't have the mental capacity to carry the responsibility that is required by it.

THE F'ING TOPIC WAS POLITICAL TO BEGIN WITH

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15408508/

Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad
Conservative talk show host accuses actor of faking Parkinson's disease:mad:

H2Blondie

10-26-2006, 03:01 AM

Gretta is addressing this right now on Fox News.:popcorn:

h2co-pilot

10-26-2006, 03:16 AM

Hey, that's it! The GOP should get Gretta's azz in some ads for something.:D

Say it......you know you want to.....say it like she does......mouth a little more over to the side and relax......"Gretta"

:jump:

DRTYFN

10-26-2006, 04:03 AM

I think I have done the best research possible...living with it. If you have any questions call UT Southwestern's MS clinic and have a talk with them regarding ES and how it has not been fully utilized. So until you actually have a condition that could someday be cured by ES, quit suckin on the teet of mainstream republican press.
HA!!! Those guys are a 1/2 step ahead of witch doctors and blood letting. I know wtf I'm talking about. A boss of mine was very interested in investing in private research years ago. Guess what I got to read?:fdance: I've tried to keep an eye on it since.
As for sucking on something - you need to get the lieberal propaganda cock out of your mouth and learn to think for yourself. I'm the furthest thing from a follower you're likely to ever see. There's plenty of issues that I disagree with the Right on. But the Left are flat out a pack of hypocritical lying turds that will do &/or say anything to further their agenda. They are all about creating & maintaining dependency and manipulating it with fear to ensure they stay in office.

DRTYFN

10-26-2006, 04:08 AM

I am as conservative as they come on most everything...I hate the fact this topic has gotten so political.

I am all for our constitutional rights regarding firearms. I have my CHL.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

Ries & faprications. You are so not a conservative.

Which constitutional right(s) were you speaking of?

funkzilla

10-26-2006, 01:44 PM

Horry chit!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

I hope and pray you don't have a CHL because you don't have the mental capacity to carry the responsibility that is required by it.

THE F'ING TOPIC WAS POLITICAL TO BEGIN WITH

I was referring to ES Research you assclown. And how all the bible thumpin phucknuts seem to think they know what is good and right for the world.

Oh and btw pray harder, Texas seems to think I be smart nuff to have me a handgun.

funkzilla

10-26-2006, 01:47 PM

Ries & faprications. You are so not a conservative.

Which constitutional right(s) were you speaking of?

That would be the second amendment you douche.

PARAGON

10-26-2006, 01:54 PM

I was referring to ES Research you assclown. And how all the bible thumpin phucknuts seem to think they know what is good and right for the world.

Oh and btw pray harder, Texas seems to think I be smart nuff to have me a handgun.

No you weren't.

ES research, as you like to refer to it, is a small part of a larger equation. Stem cell research does not only have to reside in embryos, why not focus on adult stem cell, where success has already taken place.

Why don't you move on and let the adults discuss this.

funkzilla

10-26-2006, 02:01 PM

No you weren't.

ES research, as you like to refer to it, is a small part of a larger equation. Stem cell research does not only have to reside in embryos, why not focus on adult stem cell, where success has already taken place.

Why don't you move on and let the adults discuss this.

Where is this success you point to? Name one disease that has been cured. Why put limits on where our scientific community can go to find answers?

PARAGON

10-26-2006, 02:03 PM

Where is this success you point to? Name one disease that has been cured. Why put limits on where our scientific community can go to find answers?

Ok, no limits. Let's put a bullet in your head so we can study it's effects.:lame:

Adult stem cell success? Go all the way back to 2004 to the congressional hearings on the matter where it was presented to them.

Here let me help you "g-o-o-g-l-e"

PARAGON

10-26-2006, 02:08 PM

you need to get the lieberal propaganda cock out of your mouth and learn to think for yourself:iagree:

funkzilla

10-26-2006, 02:14 PM

Ok, no limits. Let's put a bullet in your head so we can study it's effects.:lame:

Adult stem cell success? Go all the way back to 2004 to the congressional hearings on the matter where it was presented to them.

Here let me help you "g-o-o-g-l-e"

2004...are you serious? Have they cured PD, MS, MD, Lupis, LD?....the list goes on...you just dont get it, until you live with one of these things you will never understand what it is like.

But hey, you do come off as a really caring person and I do highly respect your opinion as I do the others on this board. And seeing that you can spell the name of a search engine, you must be right. Screw the sickies, the government knows what is best, and so do the doctors they pay to tell us that...

PARAGON

10-26-2006, 02:24 PM

2004...are you serious? Have they cured PD, MS, MD, Lupis, LD?....the list goes on...you just dont get it, until you live with one of these things you will never understand what it is like.

But hey, you do come off as a really caring person and I do highly respect your opinion as I do the others on this board. And seeing that you can spell the name of a search engine, you must be right. Screw the sickies, the government knows what is best, and so do the doctors they pay to tell us that...

Did you lose much memory after the lobotomy?

You don't want the government to tell you "what is best" but you want it's money. Hypocrite! Haven't cured cancer, the common cold, bedsores, Intracranial Hypertension, ingrown toenails, either. But what's the point. It took you 10 years to say your ABCs, at least give the scientists a few to come up with something from stem cells.

But you are right, screw the sickies... law of the jungle and all..... only the strong survive.

funkzilla

10-26-2006, 02:29 PM

But you are right, screw the sickies... law of the jungle and all..... only the strong survive.

I can see it now...as the rest of the pack scampers off...your slow fat ass gets picked off.

PARAGON

10-26-2006, 02:35 PM

I can see it now...as the rest of the pack scampers off...your slow fat ass gets picked off.nope, I'm at the top of the food chain there, sport.

funkzilla

10-26-2006, 02:47 PM

nope, I'm at the top of the food chain there, sport.

ok

h2co-pilot

10-26-2006, 02:48 PM

All I have to say on the subject is that if something like that would be condoned- where would it end?

Scientific frontiers when it comes to human subject matter needs to be regulated and thought through thoroughly. As we all know, the law can be interpretted in many different ways and legislation can evolve dramitically from one somewhat unsimple decision.

I am not a religious person and am very scientific; and from what I have read it seems that there is no evidence that any new stemcells would prove any different than the ones available at this time.

Morality and mortality seem to be of most concern. I favor to look at the big picture. But I would hope that we- humans, as a race among many in this world, would conduct our knowledge and practice in respect of nature. Nature is reality and sometimes it sucks but that is the way it works. I am not in favor of some of the fertility treatments either, you know that we just reached 300mil, and there are many little african children without parents (;)).

It's funny (odd, not funny haha), that those who are against imperialism in almost every aspect, if not indeed every aspect, can be imperilous in this matter.

In the future we will become faced with many more decisions that effect our conscience. Conscience not con-science**, if you will. As one of the most prestigous countries in the world I hope that the US influences the rest of the world on our debate and care in such decisions.

** I just made that up. Bumper stickers coming soon.:cool::D

PARAGON

10-26-2006, 03:19 PM

I can see it now...as the rest of the pack scampers off...your slow fat ass gets picked off.the ones with diabetes are the first to get picked off

run.... forest.... run

Mrs.ssippi

10-26-2006, 08:04 PM

Living with an illness day to day is the best way to really understand.

Kind of like if I was to try to tell you what it is like to be a fat bastard with a limited IQ and no job...

Your welcome. I have been living with someone day to day with an illness for 4 years. And one of those years he was bedridden, he slept almost 20 hours a day, could not lift his head because of the pain he was in. So you are talking to someone that understands. So what is your point?

GeorgeSSSS

10-27-2006, 03:27 AM

Rush has it right. Fox is putting out phoney info about a tragic disease because he thinks no one will call him on it. Now he's caught, like his goombah Dan Rather, and he can't wiggle out.

wpage

10-27-2006, 12:56 PM

the ones with diabetes are the first to get picked off

run.... forest.... run
Good candidate for retroactive abortion...:popcorn:

usetosellhummer

10-27-2006, 05:59 PM

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 06:15 PM

Good candidate for retroactive abortion...:popcorn:

run.... woody... run

KenP

10-27-2006, 06:18 PM

I think they are doing very little to look for a cure or to prevent anything. The drug companies along with any health care in this country have become public traded profit driven companies. It is more profitable to comeout with new treatment drugs for what is killing us so it is more profitable. when is the last time you heard of a cure for anything? with the level of tech this country has it is very hard to belive. I like rush, he is a old DJ like me. He just found a great act. I work in the media, listen to me "we make stuff up" all the time.If I owned a drug company, I sure as hell wouldn't want a cure for cancer, aids, Parkinson's, etc. Let me keep selling my drugs!!!!

Mrs.ssippi

10-27-2006, 06:21 PM

If I owned a drug company, I sure as hell wouldn't want a cure for cancer, aids, Parkinson's, etc. Let me keep selling my drugs!!!!X2, you would not believe how much we spend on drugs in this house.

KenP

10-27-2006, 06:22 PM

X2, you would not believe how much we spend on drugs in this house. Those are some good drugs, too. When are you visiting again?:dancingbanana:

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 06:23 PM

I think they are doing very little to look for a cure or to prevent anything. The drug companies along with any health care in this country have become public traded profit driven companies. It is more profitable to comeout with new treatment drugs for what is killing us so it is more profitable. when is the last time you heard of a cure for anything? with the level of tech this country has it is very hard to belive. I like rush, he is a old DJ like me. He just found a great act. I work in the media, listen to me "we make stuff up" all the time.

Whoa there! The US is not responsible for finding the cure for everything.

Take a look around the world, where there are no barriers, and money is thrown at trying to find cures and there's still no answers.

Nevermind, as with everything, conspiracies make it all more palatable.

KenP

10-27-2006, 06:44 PM

Nevermind, as with everything, conspiracies make it all more palatable.The Bush administration is supplying Iran and Korea with plutonium. It's true!!! I read it on the inturdweb.

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 07:01 PM

The Bush administration is supplying Iran and Korea with plutonium. It's true!!! I read it on the inturdweb.and Jeff Gordon is hetero:giggling:

wpage

10-27-2006, 07:26 PM

Good money in drugs ask Rush!!

Wisha Haddan H3

10-27-2006, 07:42 PM

You know, freedom of speech is a good thing. Rush Limbaugh has the right to say what he wants. He’s free to be an arrogant, hypocritical narcissist and to flaunt his conservative stereotypes and bias behind a mask of patriotism and family values. Thank god I’m free to disagree with him.

So what if Michael J. Fox was on display in the TV spot. He’s famous, he’s sincere, people like him, and his condition could benefit from more research. Would you care if Joe Schmoe had the shakes on camera? So what if he accurately demonstrated the symptoms of Parkinsons disease ... how is that dishonest? Who cares if they filmed him on a bad day when his symptoms were severe ... were they supposed to film him on a good day when all his meds were working?

Quick everybody, look at the democrats. They have an agenda! They use actors and voiceovers in their TV spots! They exaggerate or minimize the facts to suit their politics! They’re so evil!!!!!!! I’m glad we have straight shooters like Rush Limbaugh. He refuses to use sarcasm, exaggeration or sound bytes to make his points and never leaves any fact unexamined in his objective political analysis.

This kind of senseless tirade from Rush only hurts the GOP.

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 07:45 PM

You know, freedom of speech is a good thing. Rush Limbaugh has the right to say what he wants. He?s free to be an arrogant, hypocritical narcissist and to flaunt his conservative stereotypes and bias behind a mask of patriotism and family values. Thank god I?m free to disagree with him.

So what if Michael J. Fox was on display in the TV spot. He?s famous, he?s sincere, people like him, and his condition could benefit from more research. Would you care if Joe Schmoe had the shakes on camera? So what if he accurately demonstrated the symptoms of Parkinsons disease ... how is that dishonest? Who cares if they filmed him on a bad day when his symptoms were severe ... were they supposed to film him on a good day when all his meds were working?

"Quick everybody, look at the democrats. They have an agenda! They use actors and voiceovers in their TV spots! They exaggerate or minimize the facts to suit their politics! They?re so evil!!!!!!! I?m glad we have straight shooters like Rush Limbaugh. He refuses to use sarcasm, exaggeration or sound bytes to make his points and never leaves any fact unexamined in his objective political analysis."

This kind of senseless tirade from Rush only hurts the GOP.So what?

Credibility is what.:confused:

Wisha Haddan H3

10-27-2006, 07:52 PM

So what?

Credibility is what.:confused:

Exactly. Michael J Fox has credibility. He actually has Parkinsons. He has been suffering from it for years. Some days are better and some are worse, but it will never go away until a cure is developed.

When Rush calls MJF's credibility into question, he only discredits himself, and that's what is harming the GOP. Thank you for helping me make my point.

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 08:10 PM

Exactly. Michael J Fox has credibility. He actually has Parkinsons. He has been suffering from it for years. Some days are better and some are worse, but it will never go away until a cure is developed.

When Rush calls MJF's credibility into question, he only discredits himself, and that's what is harming the GOP. Thank you for helping me make my point.I didn't and that wasn't even a good attempt at misdirection.

You don't have credibility when you are obviously pandering to the TV spot for political reasons. It's pretty simple. He was obviously faking it, no questions. If he didn't take meds "just for show", it's the same as faking. It all lacks credibility. At no other times is he shown to be so uncontrollable, so the Fox argument is moot.

Rush Limbaugh simple spoke what everyone else was thinking.

Anything past the fact that Michael J Fox allowed himself to be puppeted for political purposes is nothing more than fodder.

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 08:12 PM

Exactly. Michael J Fox has credibility.Learn comprehension skills. You asked the question.

He has no credibility. He lost credibility for anyone with the disease because he flopped all over the place in a manner inconsistent with anything else he has been shown to do anytime prior to or since that one political ad.

Ever think that it might have taken more than one take to get it right?

It's ludicrous to assume that it's legit.

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 08:35 PM

http://forums.cmsja.org/yabbfiles/Smilies/hahaha.gif

usetosellhummer

10-27-2006, 08:57 PM

So what if i do have a small johnson, what's that got to do with things

PARAGON

10-27-2006, 09:10 PM

So what if i do have a small johnson, what's that got to do with things

why is it called a "johnson"

did "johnson & johnson" invent it

does it have something to do with pedophelia? re: john's son

was some guy named johnson being a dick

Wisha Haddan H3

10-27-2006, 09:40 PM

I didn't and that wasn't even a good attempt at misdirection.

You don't have credibility when you are obviously pandering to the TV spot for political reasons. How can he lack credibility when he actually does have Parkinsons? It's been diagnosed for years. It's pretty simple. He was obviously faking it, no questions. And you know this as a fact, without doubt, no questions asked, because of your firsthand knowledge, your extensive medical training or your personal experience with Parkinsons disease? If he didn't take meds "just for show", it's the same as faking. Hardly the same as a healthy actor faking Parkinsons symptoms. MJF actually has Parkinsons but can afford ridiculously expensive medication to live a fuller life. Even if they filmed him on a bad day or if he went off meds for a couple of days to demonstrate what it's like, his condition is still real. It has not gone away and will only get worse over time. It all lacks credibility. At no other times is he shown to be so uncontrollable, so the Fox argument is moot. You and Rush haven't seen him at all other times. He takes medication to reduce symptoms and does multiple takes on set to get the scenes right for his acting career.

Rush Limbaugh simple spoke what everyone else was thinking. Not everyone else ... just those offended by the political import of the tv spot. A lot of people were thinking, omg I had no idea parkinsons made you shake like that. I'm sure some people even did some research and discovered that Parkinsons can be even more severe than the symptoms MJF displayed on camera.

Anything past the fact that Michael J Fox allowed himself to be puppeted for political purposes is nothing more than fodder. If he believes in the need for stem cell research, he's an activist ... not a puppet. You may as well call Christopher Reeve a puppet for pushing spinal cord research or Yul Brynner for asking people to stop smoking back in the 80s as he died from lung cancer.

MJF is asking for help on a real medical condition. He sees hope in embryonic stem cell research and wants to overturn the ban upheld by the current administration. Rush Limbaugh and other republican pundits aren't going to help him, so of course he's working with the democrats.

That this is all happening in a political environment doesn't discredit him or the need for a cure. Politics is the only venue to modify or remove the political moratorium on embryonic stem cell research. .

BlueHUMMERH2

10-27-2006, 09:53 PM

Rochester, NY (LifeNews.com) -- Scientists working with embryonic stem cell research on animals reconfirmed what pro-life advocates have been saying for years about it. Researcher Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center said injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of patients with Parkinson's disease would cause tumors.

Goldman's team used human embryonic stem cells obtained by killing days-old unborn children that were grown in a special chemical used to coax them into becoming brain cells.

The team killed the rats before they could determine that the tumors that appeared to be growing actually finished appearing and they said that any embryonic stem cell treatments on humans, which has never been tried, would have to be closely monitored.

http://www.lifenews.com/bio1810.html

Not sure this is exactly a good article as evidence towards the case of tumors. The authors obviously are biased. I'd like to see an article from an actual peer-reviewed medical journal before drawing conclusions.

BlueHUMMERH2

10-27-2006, 10:08 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/26/eveningnews/main2128188.shtml

"The irony is that I was too medicated. I was dyskinesic," Fox told Couric. "Because the thing about … being symptomatic is that it's not comfortable. No one wants to be symptomatic; it's like being hit with a hammer."

His body visibly wracked by tremors, Fox appears in a political ad touting Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill's stance in favor of embryonic stem cell research. That prompted Limbaugh to speculate that Fox was "either off his medication or acting."

Fox told Couric, "At this point now, if I didn't take medication I wouldn't be able to speak."

Tardive Dyskinesia (http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/tardive/tardive.htm)

What is Tardive Dyskinesia?
Tardive dyskinesia is a neurological syndrome caused by the long-term use of neuroleptic drugs. Neuroleptic drugs are generally prescribed for psychiatric disorders, as well as for some gastrointestinal and neurological disorders. Tardive dyskinesia is characterized by repetitive, involuntary, purposeless movements. Features of the disorder may include grimacing, tongue protrusion, lip smacking, puckering and pursing, and rapid eye blinking. Rapid movements of the arms, legs, and trunk may also occur. Involuntary movements of the fingers may appear as though the patient is playing an invisible guitar or piano.

BlueHUMMERH2

10-27-2006, 10:19 PM

As for the "Tumors" article:

http://www.nature.com/news/2006/061016/full/061016-16.html

But there could be alarming side effects. Each stem-cell transplant also contained cells that had failed to become neurons, and which remained undifferentiated. These cells keep dividing, and can turn into tumours, says Goldman. (The rats in the study were killed before any such tumours developed.)

Wisha Haddan H3

10-27-2006, 10:20 PM

Not sure this is exactly a good article as evidence towards the case of tumors. The authors obviously are biased. I'd like to see an article from an actual peer-reviewed medical journal before drawing conclusions.

Good point, blue.

As with any other research, medical research is a process of trial and error. Just because Harvard researchers found indications of tumors or pre-cancerous growth doesn?t mean that embryonic stem cell research is a total failure. It only means that our current mechanism to control embryonic cell development (and prevent malignant or parasitic growth) needs work. Setbacks are inherent in research, and failure down one avenue will lead to success in another.

But even treatments proven to be effective can be risky. Many drugs and treatment protocols are controversial at first because of risks and side effects, like radiation and chemotherapy. People suffered and died while doctors learned how to dose and properly target the cancers. Imagine if we had halted research on these treatments because of the health risks ... or because of moral concerns over using "human guinea pigs"? or because a religious group had undue influence in Congress.

Wisha Haddan H3

10-27-2006, 10:55 PM

h2co-pilot

10-27-2006, 11:08 PM

imo, the moratorium on embryonic stem cell research should be lifted. Researchers merely want access to all legally available embryonic material. If they can get it from cord blood, they’ll take it. If someone miscarries in a hospital, that’ll do. If someone has a legal abortion, they want access.

These scientists aren’t advocating abortion. They’re not saying we need to kill more babies so they can get more stem cells. People are already getting legal abortions and the embryos are getting thrown away. This research ban prevents researchers from making something good out of something terrible.

Think of stem cell collection as a form of organ donation. Would you outlaw organ donation because some people don't like the idea or believe it desecrates the human body? No. Organ transplants save, lengthen and improve lives. Stem cell treatments could do the same and more in the future.

Organ donors normally indicate that with a "Y" on their drivers license. People need to get sick and die sometimes- it's nature and no one can live forever. Lets work on passing assisted suicide for those really suffering.

But yeah, next time a big hurricane is coming- lets hurl a bunch of old people at it and see if it slows it down. We aren't sure if it will stop the hurricane or prevent damage but lets try it anyway. :D:D:D

Can everyone stfu?-really. No one is going to change anyone's mind on the subject and it has been agreed that MJF was bobbing more than usual.

kthanxbye

BlueHUMMERH2

10-27-2006, 11:33 PM

I think we were just going for "No More Bullsh1t". Or in O'Reily lingo, "No Spin Zone."

Wisha Haddan H3

10-28-2006, 12:04 AM

Lets work on passing assisted suicide for those really suffering.

I agree with that. People should be able to die with dignity. And until then, they should be able to live well.

Mrs.ssippi

10-28-2006, 12:32 AM

Organ donors normally indicate that with a "Y" on their drivers license. People need to get sick and die sometimes- it's nature and no one can live forever. Lets work on passing assisted suicide for those really suffering.

But yeah, next time a big hurricane is coming- lets hurl a bunch of old people at it and see if it slows it down. We aren't sure if it will stop the hurricane or prevent damage but lets try it anyway. :D:D:D

Can everyone stfu?-really. No one is going to change anyone's mind on the subject and it has been agreed that MJF was bobbing more than usual.

kthanxbyeHelp, I'm bobbing!:giggling: Sorry, it had to be said.

Steve - SanJose

10-28-2006, 01:16 AM

And Rush might have mixed his meds that day (the RX and street drugs) with a drinkie....

Dennis Lorenz

10-28-2006, 04:19 AM

BlueHUMMERH2

10-28-2006, 04:26 AM

What a bunch of weak fluff-filled arguments for what is being talked about as the biggest Democratic goof of the year so far.

They screwed up. Whomever told MJF to act out the effects of his illness to pander to the voters in MO is getting reamed out right now. MJF lost all credibility as a spokesperson because he was not genuine about something that is so heart-wrenching and effects so many others.

Regardless of the fact that, as others pointed out, ebryionic stem cells are not the end all that the media makes it out to be. Stem cells harvested in other ways have proven to be, if nothing else, very similar.

For all of you crying about letting the scientists do what they want, where is all of the research on embryonic stem cell success on animals?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/26/eveningnews/main2128188.shtml

"The irony is that I was too medicated. I was dyskinesic," Fox told Couric. "Because the thing about … being symptomatic is that it's not comfortable. No one wants to be symptomatic; it's like being hit with a hammer."

His body visibly wracked by tremors, Fox appears in a political ad touting Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill's stance in favor of embryonic stem cell research. That prompted Limbaugh to speculate that Fox was "either off his medication or acting."

Fox told Couric, "At this point now, if I didn't take medication I wouldn't be able to speak."

Tardive Dyskinesia (http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/tardive/tardive.htm)

What is Tardive Dyskinesia?
Tardive dyskinesia is a neurological syndrome caused by the long-term use of neuroleptic drugs. Neuroleptic drugs are generally prescribed for psychiatric disorders, as well as for some gastrointestinal and neurological disorders. Tardive dyskinesia is characterized by repetitive, involuntary, purposeless movements. Features of the disorder may include grimacing, tongue protrusion, lip smacking, puckering and pursing, and rapid eye blinking. Rapid movements of the arms, legs, and trunk may also occur. Involuntary movements of the fingers may appear as though the patient is playing an invisible guitar or piano.

BlueHUMMERH2

10-28-2006, 04:38 AM

For all of you crying about letting the scientists do what they want, where is all of the research on embryonic stem cell success on animals?

As for why you haven't seen any public applications, they are to date either too expensive, or results are still being kept confidential until enough data is gathered to present a scientifically sound conclusion that will stand up to extensive peer review. I imagine applications in animals is significantly different from that of human systems, hence the lack of results.

Additionally, lacking government funding, this research has to be done entirely in the private sector.

And here's the research articles that do exist:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gquery/gquery.fcgi?term=embryonic+stem+cells

Dennis Lorenz

10-28-2006, 04:48 AM

Nobody?s Opinion; Last night, during the World Series seventh inning stretch, I fell into a dream.
I tell you this because here in Missouri we are being asked, just like California was asked, to vote yes on stem-cell research.
Michael J. Fox has been appearing on the commercials here, begging us to cure him.
I?m sure that?s why I had the dream?.
**********
And sitting around the table were some pretty familiar faces: Michael J. Fox, Claire McCastkill, Charles Ostman (a scientist from Berkeley), James D. Watson, (discoverer double helix DNA) Dr. Danforth (father of former Senator John Danforth) and my little dog Zippy,?who was sitting in a chair next to Michael J. Fox.
?Hey, let?s get this over. This is your dream, and we have more important things to do besides spend time here, what do you want?? said John Danforth, who was sitting next to his famous doctor father. (Who is also doing commercials here for stem-cell approval)

?Well, I live here in Missouri, and I just want put some questions to you guys, because frankly, I?m a little confused here on this stem-cell stuff. You guys are saying that if the stem-cell research gets lots of money from the federal government, all the cures for all the diseases on the earth are going to save everyone that has any disease?Gee, I?ve been watching Jerry Lewis telethons since I was a kid, and they still haven?t found a cure for muscular dystrophy. I don?t know how much longer Jerry can keep it up. He raises millions every year, and no cure. And how much money has been given to the March of Dimes, and to cancer and HIV, and still there is no cure? Why should stem-cell be any different when even venture capitalist won?t fund it because the cells from embryos have a tendency to grow tumors?? I said.
Claire McCaskill, not looking like her usual perky self since she knew I was an independent conservative and not likely to vote for her said;
?Well, that?s the problem. We could cure all of humanity but because of you religious zealots who think that a bunch of cells is a baby, when it?s really just a bunch of cells, and has no idea it even exists and therefore feels no pain if it is killed, using it for the benefit of mankind to cure disease is the only way for all of humanity to go forward, instead of into the dark ages as you insist on keeping us because there is no God of the Bible you moron. You guys are holding back progress and all of humanity. ?

?Tell me Claire, isn?t a cell, even an hour after the sperm and egg join, genetically a different entity from the mother that?s carrying it?? I said. ?I mean, she is ?hosting? it and caring for it, just as she would do once it was born and still growing? And besides, private companies are already doing this research at Stanford, and that company Geron has over 6,500 patents on genes.?
Bill Gates,(Who has put his 2 million for stem-cell research in a Chinese university.) Mike Bloomberg, the founder of E-Bay: lots of people are pouring money into stem-cell research. Why do the taxpayers ONCE again have to fund this stuff. Why do WE always have to pay the universities, who in turn get rich, while the students have to pay higher and higher tuition, unless of course if they are foreign, or illegal, then they get a discount.?
If I was sounding a little jealous, I was.
?You may not clone people (even thought the amendment says you will be able to) but all these Chinese students working at the universities can steal whatever secrets that are found in the laboratories, and go back to China?what good are all your patents then? They do it with everything else. Just like everything, the American taxpayer pays for it, and the other countries like Japan and China, go and make it and come back and charge us higher prices. The taxpayers not only pay to protect their borders, we pay for their technology.?
Being a nobody who pays lots of taxes, I thought I?d bring that up.
The man sitting in the corner, being ignored by everyone, James Watson, leaned back in his chair, and scratched his chin; he looked at Claire and spoke. ?Yeah, it reminds me of all that I went through with the DNA stuff.? (James Watson with Francis Click discovered the Double Helix of DNA)
?Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were so excited about discovering the genetic makeup of humans that they started the Human Genome Project (an international company) mapping the genes. I quit in 1992 when I got into an argument with Bernadine Healy (Harvard) who insisted on patenting human cells, and genes, I still think that is dead wrong.?
Zippy: ?Ruff, whooooo, ruff.?
?Why? Why can?t we patent a gene?? said Michael J. Fox. ?Who cares who makes the money off these genes if it saves one life? If it gives us hope? Why do you always think scientists are going to do evil things with this stuff??

For some reason, Michael was not moving around in my dream; ?Hi Michael,? I said. ?Hey I really loved you in all those Back to the Future movies!?
Michael, ?Thanks, but really?did you know that in vitro fertilization they throw away about 100,000 perfectly good eggs each year? They just kill them. Why can?t we use them??
Nobody: ?Well, I don?t know Michael, that?s a good question. Do these eggs belong to the donors? Aren?t the liberals always saying it?s a woman?s right to choose? And if she can get an abortion, then she has a right to choose to kill her vitro eggs instead of giving them to you. Maybe you should take that up with the Congress.?
?Anyway I it takes about 5 to 8 million harvested eggs just to make therapeutic cloning possible. That?s a lot of eggs for one cure. Already Russian girls and Chinese girls are selling eggs on the black market. That?s a lot of ?potential life? being sacrificed for a few rich people.?
Michael, ?Hey wait, what makes you think only the rich will get this? ?
Nobody: ?Well, being as there are so many people that can?t even afford to go to the doctor for a cold, what makes you think that insurance or Medicare is going to pay for this expensive treatment for nobody?s like me, especially if they are over 65??
?Ruff!? said Zippy.
Charles Ostman, who had up to this time been winking at Claire every time she made a grumpy face jumped in. ?Look, it?s very important that we get started on this. All over the world they are already working on cloning, and if we don?t get started, we will be far behind. ?

Nobody: ?Oh, yeah, I heard you on Coast to Coast. You work for the Global Futures, and the American Council for the United Nations University. You do work in artificial intelligence, nano electronics, and Legendary Pharmaceuticals. I guess some of these body parts you want to clone will come in handy in inventing artificial brains, and nano transistor phones with human brains, or maybe you could make my dog speak?getting into those embryo cells opens up a whole new world of patents and products for you guys.?
Charles; ?Hey, we need this. Our universities need the money. If we don?t get the money from the government, it?s going to be bad. It?s not smart to let private companies get these patents because they won?t share the knowledge with the rest of the scientists.
Nobody: ?Hey, I thought that was the point. Don?t you think we could use more companies making products in the United States since we have lost our manufacturing bases and seem to be just a country of Wal-Marts, McDonalds, Starbucks, and gas stations? Is this all about giving the government more employees because we have no other industries? Or is this about competition with the scientists who work for the universities who want part of the big global pie? Are is this about the govenment owning our very genes?
Any way you look at it, even if the cure comes, it will be at the expense of the poor guy, who will never benefit from it because Michael J. Fox, will pay 2 million for his cure, and the rest of us will not be able to afford it. So it?s another thing for the elites?because it?s all about the money.?
Michael: ?Wait a minute; wouldn?t you want your dog cloned??
Nobody; ?The guy who had a pet cloning business claimed bankruptcy. Zippy, do you want to be cloned??
Zippy; ?Ruuuuuff.?
Nobody; ?See??
Everyone got up to go. They were all disgusted. ?Well, you?re wrong?and you?re cruel and stupid.? I didn?t catch who said that.
It was just me and Zippy left. Nobody?s Perfect?Okay, this is long I know, but to cover all the points of view it seemed necessary.
Nobody Knows? This research is being done as we speak. The MAIN reason this is being pushed in Missouri is to get Claire McCaskill elected over Jim Talent. They are just using stem cell research and Michael J. Fox as a final push to get her in, otherwise she might lose.
Nobody Cares? Most of this stuff about stem-cell is once again, promoting ideals against the religious view that the individual is important and every individual has a right to life which is the conservative view, as oppose to every life should be sacrifice for the many, the liberal view.
I think enough boys are sacrificing their lives right now for the liberals to want to tax their wives at home for the cures that only they will be able to afford.

DennisAJC

10-28-2006, 05:46 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15408508/

Limbaugh mocks Michael J. Fox political ad
Conservative talk show host accuses actor of faking Parkinson's disease:mad:

How could Micheal be faking it?

He was born in Canada.

DRTYFN

10-30-2006, 06:03 AM

HAHA!!! The dumb little fidget hasn't even read the initiative he's helping to promote. When the interview goes away from his talking points he has no idea WTF he's talking about. What a dickhead.:OWNED:
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/story?id=2613377&page=2

h2co-pilot

10-30-2006, 12:05 PM

HummerHippy

10-30-2006, 01:49 PM

Michael P. Keaton is not dumb.:twak:

Alex P Keaton. :) Michael is the comedian (220, 221. What ever it takes)

h2co-pilot

10-30-2006, 02:05 PM

Alex P Keaton. :) Michael is the comedian (220, 221. What ever it takes)

Oh yeah.:o I thought it sounded funny.:D

You know I found that the 'P' never stood for anything. I am rather disappointed.

HummerHippy

10-30-2006, 02:10 PM

Oh yeah.:o I thought it sounded funny.:D

You know I found that the 'P' never stood for anything. I am rather disappointed.

Really? P is nothing? Ha! <Johnny Carson voice>: I did not know that.

h2co-pilot

10-30-2006, 02:16 PM

PARAGON

10-30-2006, 03:02 PM

h2co-pilot

10-30-2006, 06:31 PM

I once was kicked out of private school for faking Tourette's.:giggling:

True story.:shhh:

KenP

10-30-2006, 06:55 PM

So, the consensus is, he exaggerated his symptoms to pander to the camera because he feels that those with the illness have to go into hiding?

And now, WE, the public, should take him at his word because he has an illness and has no agenda here?:confused: His word as an actor.:confused: :confused: :confused:Yes. Of course. And we have to believe the all those listed here:

Liberal Celebrity list. (http://www.celiberal.com/)

The worst:
http://www.celiberal.com/theWhineRack.php

Those that aren't quite the worst:
http://www.celiberal.com/theCeliberals.php

Those that lean to the right (Not sure about many on this list):
http://www.celiberal.com/theRighties.php

PARAGON

10-30-2006, 07:33 PM

I once was kicked out of private school for faking Tourette's.:giggling:

True story.:shhh:

Speaking of Tourettes, maybe the Democrats can get the Tourettes Guy to do a few commercials for them. He has Tourettes:giggling:

http://www.tourettesguy.com/