I was thinking.......

[HummBebe]

About getting some upgraded/heavier duty torsion bars.

I read somewhere that Rod Hall used "V8" torsion bars on his H3. Which sounds suspiciously vague.

Anyway, is it possible to use 3/4 ton bars instead of what we have now???

I know that a couple of companies make heavy duty ones for Toyota trucks.....can I use the ones for say a Silverado???

They look pretty standard. Just measure the length and the diameter?

Whaddaya all think???

[bjc]

Are you merely looking for a firmer ride or is this in response to the winch / bumper you're also thinking about? What's the objective assuming you're ok with current ride height?

By the way, speaking of Rod Hall's H3... a little bird told me his Fox shocks are shipping next week (approx $1,000 not including install). :giggling: I think I'll wait until someone else releases some performance coilovers.

[Sewie]

I was thinking.......


I can smell the smoke from here..... :fdance:

Just SAS the damn thing and get it over with. ;)

[HummBebe]

Are you merely looking for a firmer ride or is this in response to the winch / bumper you're also thinking about? What's the objective assuming you're ok with current ride height?

By the way, speaking of Rod Hall's H3... a little bird told me his Fox shocks are shipping next week (approx $1,000 not including install). :giggling: I think I'll wait until someone else releases some performance coilovers.

The thought process started with additional weight, yes, the possibility of a full winch bumper on the front end of a vehicle that already has issues with the size and weight as it stands.

Additionally, with the torsion bars being turned, the possibility of failure from over use is greater.

So, adding a heavy duty set of torsion bars, would possibly extend the life of the torsion bars, with the added weight and use.

It's just a thought.....


I saw the shocks...
You can get a set of custom made Bilstiens for almost half that. What are they thinking?
What makes them think that the general H3 public would want a professional racing shock? I guess they don't plan on selling very many...that's fine.

[HummBebe]

I can smell the smoke from here..... :fdance:

Just SAS the damn thing and get it over with. ;)

You are just jealous:yawn::giggling::twak::rolleyes:;)

Maybe you need some pie????

http://www.beepcentral.com/supplements/photos/lemonpiestory.jpg

Here, a sour pie for a sour puss:jump:

[Sewie]

Maybe you need some pie????


:jump::jump::jump:

[Hunner]

Chad told me about the shocks several months ago and said he could send some but I felt like they were more for steady running off road at speed than for muddin and rock crawlin.
I have the Steelcraft guard and winch mount with a Warn and my torsions cranked up 6 turns. Works just fine. Might just crank a few more to see what happens. Maybe 8!

[ree]

The thought process started with additional weight, yes, the possibility of a full winch bumper on the front end of a vehicle that already has issues with the size and weight as it stands....

:popcorn:


:giggling:;)

[Steve - SanJose]

Tell me more about the front end having issues please (other than the fragile front diff).http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

S.

[HummBebe]

Tell me more about the front end having issues please (other than the fragile front diff).http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

S.

Aside from the front diff, and other axle components, I've gone through a front driveline and now three Rancho 9000's on the front. So, it still feels a little bouncy, (might be yet another blown shock) after I had the t-bars turned back down to 4 full turns. I'm thinking the t-bars might need to be replaced already.

I have been in Sewies truck and it feels totally different.

I've not been able to find any "symptoms" of t-bar failure online, but I have noticed that the Toyota peeps have the ability to upgrade their t-bars.

Again, I was just thinking.:D

[DDWH]

well damn!:popcorn:

[Hal]

wouldn't a real offroad suspension lift solve a lot of things? (besides our weak front diffs)
I'm still waiting and hoping one will be available some day. If FJ's and JK's don't take over the world first.
:popcorn:

[PARAGON]

I saw the title of this thread and knew this would be a yawner;)

[HummBebe]

Oh sure ....fine.:fdance:

Someone with some brains shows up and I don't even get a schoolin' ???

[PARAGON]

it's really not all that simple if you want to try to maintain a close to stock ride.

First the tbars have to be the same lenghth and a similar torsional rate to work with the truck. The front suspension was designed to work with that rate of bars.

I think even Rancho makes some aftermarket tbars for 'yotas, but they had to put some R&D into it.

Typically you don't have cross-over of a tbar from one vehicle to another that's on different platforms, it just wouldn't work.


I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Someone that knows metallurgy could better give an idea if it would be an answer.

[HummBebe]

I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Someone that knows metallurgy could better give an idea if it would be an answer.

Well thank you...that makes sense.

OH TRENT!!!! I have a question for you :jump:

[H3PAC]

I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Someone that knows metallurgy could better give an idea if it would be an answer.

Tortional rigidity: A common complication of a Viagra overdose.

Metalurgy: The sensation that you are about to pee your pants at a rock concert.

Typically you don't have cross-over of a tbar

Crossover of a tbar: A transvestite male in a female strip club.


Sorry, but I just can't help myself when you talk dirty like that.:giggling:

[HummBebe]

First the tbars have to be the same lenghth and a similar torsional rate to work with the truck. The front suspension was designed to work with that rate of bars.

But if you are increasing weight and height on a half ton truck to that of a 3/4 ton truck, the 3/4 ton truck bars won't work?

I think even Rancho makes some aftermarket tbars for 'yotas, but they had to put some R&D into it.

Those are the ones I saw, and they do come in more than a couple of their lift kits.

Typically you don't have cross-over of a tbar from one vehicle to another that's on different platforms, it just wouldn't work.


K.

I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Would a shop like this be worth contacting??? http://sacramentospring.com/index.html

[HummBebe]

Tortional rigidity: A common complication of a Viagra overdose.

Metalurgy: The sensation that you are about to pee your pants at a rock concert.



Crossover of a tbar: A transvestite male in a female strip club.


Sorry, but I just can't help myself when you talk dirty like that.:giggling:

You have ghey on the brain......:rolleyes::giggling:

[Desert Dan]

Maybe if the H3's sell well in Austraila ARB might get on the ball with suspensions and lockers for us.

I put heavy duty T-bars (from Downey) in my Toyota truck and they worked great I had a winch on it and it was about 1-1.5" higher than stock. They were larger diameter.

I have aslo seen some progressive (2-stage) t-bars on a toyota.

T-Bars are a bit more complicated than leaf springs and ad -leaves

[PARAGON]

But if you are increasing weight and height on a half ton truck to that of a 3/4 ton truck, the 3/4 ton truck bars won't work?



Those are the ones I saw, and they do come in more than a couple of their lift kits.



K.



Would a shop like this be worth contacting??? http://sacramentospring.com/index.htmlMeh, check with these guys and see if they can come up with anything or know of someone who could.

http://www.swayaway.com/PowerBarz%20frameset.htm

[ChasH3]

I received an email from the president of ARB USA just the other day.. He explained to me that they are working on a front and rear locker along with new front and rear bumpers for the H3... He said that they should be available sometime in mid 2007....

[HummBebe]

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HA!!! Thanks Para:jump:

[HummBebe]

OH YEAH!!! THEY MAKE THEM!!!!:jump:

30% increase in spring rate over stock...

They make them for the H2 too!!!

Chris at Swayaway just shipped 4 sets of the H3 bars to Platinum Auto Sports in SoCal.....

YEAH BABY!!!

[HummBebe]

**coughdoublethepriceofandH2setcough**:twak:



Typical....H3 :fdance:

[HummBebe]

Here is an article on Torsion Bars....

Source : http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/Information/torsion_bars.htm



There still is a lot of misconception about the nature of torsion bars. Hopefully this will help clarify the nature and design of the torsion bar independent suspension setup.
To begin with, the torsion bar, like the lief and coil, is simply a spring. A piece of material which when distorted tries to return to its original position. Like the lief and coil, the torsion bar can loose its memory [sag], or break. The torsion bar, like the conventional lief or coil spring is at one end fastened to the frame so as not to move during operation. The other end of the torsion bar is fastened to a pivot [the control arm]. Now as force [weight] is applied to the pivot end [control arm] it tries to move and take the torsion bar with it, the opposite end being fastened to the frame, can not move so the bar twists and then tries to return to its memory position. This being the point at which the pivot end [control arm] originated. With no applied force [weight], the torsion bar will keep its pivot end [control arm] at the position or angle in which it was originally set. As a constant applied force [set weight] acts upon the torsion bar the torsion bar is resisted from returning all the way back to it's memory or set position. the amount by which the torsion bar can not return to its memory [set] position becomes pre load. Pre load is solely controlled by the amount of force [weight] applied to the torsion bar.
To adjust the ride height of the vehicle by winding the adjuster bolt at the fixed [frame] end of the torsion bar does not add any more force [weight] to the pivot [control arm] end of the torsion bar, therefore the pre load is unaffected, hence ride quality and torsion bar life theoretically remain unchanged. Winding the torsion bar adjuster bolt is the same as installing blocks between the axle and lief springs or a set of coil spacers, it simply moves the spring to a different position.
The reason the truck may ride a little stiffer is because of the new angle of the pivot [control arm]. As this angle [control arm to ground] becomes grater, the pivot [control arm] exerts less force on the torsion bar effectively reducing the pre load.
Other reasons for a harsh ride after winding the adjuster bolts is, YOU WENT TOO FAR. This is when there is not enough room or no room between the control arm and upper bump stops, leaving no room for downwards travel of the control arm. When to replace your torsion bars with larger ones is if you have added substantial weight [winch, large bush bar, heavy bumper, heavier engine, etc. or if you are looking for a firmer ride. The affected longevity of related components such as c.v. joints, ball joints, spindles, etc. will be the same weather the heavier torsion bars are used or the originals are adjusted, since these components are affected by the selected angle of the control arm. After a height adjustment is made either way, it is a good idea to have an alignment, but you will most times find that everything is still in spec.

Happy wheeling.

-------TOYDOC-------

[TA8088]

:popcorn:

[bjc]

Chris at Swayaway just shipped 4 sets of the H3 bars to Platinum Auto Sports in SoCal.....

YEAH BABY!!!

And does one of those sets have your name on it? Who are you going to have do the install?

[HummBebe]

Why, yes they dooooooo!

When I do get them, I will have "Miles" do it.

He's the HUMMER Bomb mechanic from Sac Hummer.:D

[NEOCON1]

I was thinking....... im gonna get some spy shots :giggling: :giggling: :p ;) :beerchug: