Why did this happen? [Archive] - Hummer Forums by Elcova

Captain of the Titanic

12-04-2006, 10:29 PM

I also had something similar happen in my '06. I was dorking around in some slimmy mud with a friend doing donuts and generally getting the Hummer as dirty as I could, when my ABS light came on and the truck started free-spinning the tires. It seemed like the traction control had completely shut off.

I did some more spinning and such, and later shut the truck off, which reset the ABS light, and the traction control and ABS seem to be working fine now.

I chalked it up to Hummer being smart enough to realize I was playing around and really didn't need the Traction control and ABS on, but I never really looked into it further.

BTW, it's been working fine for 6 weeks or so since then, so I don't think you'll have any problem in the near future.

Anyone else have this happen, and does anyone know why it happens?

f5fstop

12-04-2006, 10:53 PM

We had some decent snowfall preceded by ice here in Kansas so I decided to see how the traction was on the H2. On an empty stretch of road I did a 180? and my traction control and ABS lights came on and stayed on.

I put a code reader on and erased the code and it didn't return but I have to wonder, did I confuse the system or worse, mess something up?

What was the code; C0245 (usually the one)?
If so, yes, you have confused the system. Since the system is looking to see a wheel speed sensor signal different than the other three, and you happen to be on glare ice or another type of extremely slippery surface, the EBCM sees some strange signals and cannot determine which, if any, wheel sensor is bad. So, it warns you that it has shut down the ABS/Trac system.
Under normal slippage it won't do this, but sometimes when doing donuts, the wheels speed sensors are sending out some strange signals to the computer.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 12:49 AM

ie - one tire going backwards while the other tires are spinning forwards

It's a safety feature. You obviously know if you were doing something "different" when it happened, the computer doesn't. All it knows is it was getting some screwy data from the wheels speed sensors and can't properly control the truck using the ABS/TCS so it shuts down to be safe

mdoyle

12-05-2006, 03:36 PM

Thanks for the replies guys, good to know it's normal behavior.

FWIW the next day on a slick road the "traction control active" message came on so it seemed to be working correctly.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 05:14 PM

I chalked it up to Hummer being smart enough to realize I was playing around and really didn't need the Traction control and ABS on, but I never really looked into it further.

Ya thats probably it.......:giggling: Why would you want traction while your wheeling anyways.

h2co-pilot

12-05-2006, 05:50 PM

Ya thats probably it.......:giggling: Why would you want traction while your wheeling anyways.

DEE DEE DEE! Is the McDonalds morning shift over already?:clapping:

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:00 PM

DEE DEE DEE! Is the McDonalds morning shift over already?:clapping:

Wow, it must be early down south, maybe after you, ma, and sis get it on, you'll be awake enough to give me a new witty insult.

h2co-pilot

12-05-2006, 06:05 PM

Wow, it must be early down south, maybe after you, ma, and sis get it on, you'll be awake enough to give me a new witty insult.

It wasn't an insult, I was mildly excited you came back for more sorrowful ownage.

Do you want to discuss the importance of traction while wheeling?

Captain of the Titanic

12-05-2006, 06:07 PM

Ya thats probably it.......:giggling: Why would you want traction while your wheeling anyways.

I wasn't wheeling... See:

"I was dorking around in some slimmy mud with a friend doing donuts and generally getting the Hummer as dirty as I could"

:jump:

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:09 PM

It wasn't an insult, I was mildly excited you came back for more sorrowful ownage.

Do you want to discuss the importance of traction while wheeling?

Id love to! I think that if you got a error code from doing donuts....something is wrong.

h2co-pilot

12-05-2006, 06:12 PM

Id love to! I think that if you got a error code from doing donuts....something is wrong.

Hence the reason for the thread.http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:15 PM

NewHummerGuy

12-05-2006, 06:25 PM

yes, but some of your superiors are saying that its normal. If that is normal behavior, i suppose it makes sense being a GM product. I've done many donuts in my new subaru, and its computer is smart enough to not shut down the traction control system and abs.

Then let me ask you something Einstein...why dont you go to a Subaru board then??????

You stupid mother****ingtrollingbitchassprick. Oh, and welcome.:clapping:

h2co-pilot

12-05-2006, 06:25 PM

yes, but some of your superiors are saying that its normal. If that is normal behavior, i suppose it makes sense being a GM product. I've done many donuts in my new subaru, and its computer is smart enough to not shut down the traction control system and abs.

My superiors?:giggling:

Oh noes!:eek: We should have gotten a Subaru.:dancingbanana:

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:28 PM

Then let me ask you something Einstein...why dont you go to a Subaru board then??????

You stupid mother****ingtrollingbitchassprick. Oh, and welcome.:clapping:

Thanks for the compliments, I like this board, it gives me a god like feeling being with all you wheeling noobs.

NewHummerGuy

12-05-2006, 06:31 PM

Thanks for the compliments, I like this board, it gives me a god like feeling being with all you wheeling noobs.

Then post some pics please of your superior wheeling.....we are waiting....

If not then shut your troll piehole you ****ing tard.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:38 PM

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:39 PM

i guess that means i get to keep my piehole open! WooT!!!!

NewHummerGuy

12-05-2006, 06:42 PM

I don't want to, there is no point. I just tried to help with this serious hummer defect, and you guys just jump all over me....:lame:

ok maybe one pic.....it actually balanced there with no straps on. :D

http://www.blackflag4x4.com/dirtbag/pooped.jpg

Actually asshat a troll can post a pic from any site. Thats what ****ing trolls do. You know what, just continue with your troll like ways please. I will welcome when one of the "Not so Nice" members get ahold of your bacon burger flipping ass. You = sad for coming to a Hummer site and talking of your Subaru the showing a pic of a HIGHLY modded jeep. You drive a schwinn dont you.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:45 PM

lol OK! Now im really insulted, you called my buggy a jeep. yuck, ew wash your mouth out with soap.

Its a toyota, get it straight whitey. Supra inline six, with dual t-cases and dana 60 axles. Its not a highly modified anything, its a bone stock buggy. That I built, with my own hands, and welder, and plasma cutter.

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 06:48 PM

1. that is his rig, it's the cover girl for bc4x4. deal with it.
2. yea... jeep.... what kinda tard would wheel a jeep

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:49 PM

I will welcome when one of the "Not so Nice" members get ahold of your bacon burger flipping ass.

Wow, thats scary! You see for computer geeks like yourself, i guess thats a threat. What are the not so nice members gonna do....hahahahhaha come up with more 4 syllable insults! hhahah you rock buddy!

Poopy

12-05-2006, 06:57 PM

Ok kids, lets get back on topic, why would this traction control crap out like that?

NewHummerGuy

12-05-2006, 07:07 PM

1. that is his rig, it's the cover girl for bc4x4. deal with it.
2. yea... jeep.... what kinda tard would wheel a jeep

Prove it then.

And secondly again I must ask why you asses are on this site?????

TROLLING

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:10 PM

How can i prove it to you great one? Here is a buildup thread for ya:

http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?t=99057

back on topic troll. Dont make me get a mean member on your hieny.

NewHummerGuy

12-05-2006, 07:14 PM

How can i prove it to you great one? Here is a buildup thread for ya:

http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?t=99057

back on topic troll. Dont make me get a mean member on your hieny.

Wow, thats fantastic. Nice rig. Lots of money though spent on that. Seems wasteful.

I really liked from the site the toothless emoticons you all have. Cute http://bb.bc4x4.com/images/smilies/notooth.gif

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:15 PM

Not much money spent, maybe 15000 or so, lots of parts are sold to buy different parts, and I do the work myself. New tires arrived yesterday.....woot!

Thats our american smilie. :D

h2co-pilot

12-05-2006, 07:22 PM

Ok kids, lets get back on topic, why would this traction control crap out like that?

I guess it never really lost traction, like Poopy's lil buggy up that slippery little incline, it was just a glitch in the matrix.

Let us know if it happens again Mdoyle.

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 07:28 PM

ie - one tire going backwards while the other tires are spinning forwards

It's a safety feature.

sorry to burst your bubble but it's impossible to judge a direction with abs.

a tone wheel and sensor pickup simply see pulses, which when calibrated into a PPM give you a speed, not a direction.

you simply spun out and didn't back out of the skinny pedal, much like the new gm cars do when you try to do a burn out without turning off the tcs. it's confused because it was overwhelmed by why anyone who would like to spin half their tires that much without going anywhere.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:35 PM

1. that is his rig, it's the cover girl for bc4x4. deal with it.
2. yea... jeep.... what kinda tard would wheel a jeepjust wow,

you idiots put flubs up for your cover picture?

have any of you wheeled for more than a year, or have real experience.

Hey ****head, don't you know you are supposed to gas it when your ass tries to get in front of your front-end or did it scare you so much you froze up and made your butt-buddies put a strap-on and pull you back down.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:39 PM

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:40 PM

sorry to burst your bubble but it's impossible to judge a direction with abs.

a tone wheel and sensor pickup simply see pulses, which when calibrated into a PPM give you a speed, not a direction.

you simply spun out and didn't back out of the skinny pedal, much like the new gm cars do when you try to do a burn out without turning off the tcs. it's confused because it was overwhelmed by why anyone who would like to spin half their tires that much without going anywhere.OK, dufus.:giggling:

Nice attempt. When a tire goes backwards.... what does it do? It stops going the direction it was supposed to go, goes backwards.

Idiots, No, NO. There's no way they would program to allow for wheelspin:lame:

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:40 PM

Again, i will have to suspend your account if you go off topic Mr Paragon.

Stupid troll.

h2co-pilot

12-05-2006, 07:40 PM

The Traction Control System continually monitors the rotational speed of each wheel. If one wheel is spinning more than the others, the Traction Control System applies braking pressure to the spinning wheel to help it regain its composure and transfers available torque to the wheels that have traction. It also has a glitch in the system to allow more than usual slippage when needed to paddle through something.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:41 PM

LOL you are a funny guy. If we could winch a hummer to the top of that trail, and have one drive down, it would be an entertaining ride. Its hard to gas out with 175:1 crawl ratio. Plus the spectators loved it, it was a competition btw.No it's not hard. You pull the upholstery out of your ass and mash the gas and take your foot off the brake because you are scared little bitch mashing the brake like all scared newbies do.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:43 PM

OK, dufus.:giggling:

Nice attempt. When a tire goes backwards.... what does it do? It stops going the direction it was supposed to go, goes backwards.

Idiots, No, NO. There's no way they would program to allow for wheelspin:lame:

I think what he is saying, is that there is a sensor, it senses a pulse when the magnet or whatever it is goes past the sensor. It has no idea if its going forwards of backwards, its just passing a sensor. Lets go to a simpler example for you. Picture the speedometer you have on your road cycle, when you got the kid at the bike shop to install it he put a little magnet on your wheel and a sensor on your forks somewhere.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:45 PM

LOL you are a funny guy. If we could winch a hummer to the top of that trail, and have one drive down, it would be an entertaining ride. Its hard to gas out with 175:1 crawl ratio. Plus the spectators loved it, it was a competition btw.wow, all 4 of those spectators must have been spellbound.

what were you competing for, most stained underwear?

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:45 PM

No it's not hard. You pull the upholstery out of your ass and mash the gas and take your foot off the brake because you are scared little bitch mashing the brake like all scared newbies do.

Maybe crawl ratio is beyond you. You probably have about 30:1 in your ultimate offroader. When i mash the gas in 1st gear, it barely moves. I would have had to shift into 5th to drive outta that, but it happend in about 3 seconds so there was no time.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:46 PM

wow, all 4 of those spectators must have been spellbound.

what were you competing for, most stained underwear?

They are behind my truck to the right...out of the shot. I figured you would use that....so predictable.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:47 PM

I think what he is saying, is that there is a sensor, it senses a pulse when the magnet or whatever it is goes past the sensor. It has no idea if its going forwards of backwards, its just passing a sensor. Lets go to a simpler example for you. Picture the speedometer you have on your road cycle, when you got the kid at the bike shop to install it he put a little magnet on your wheel and a sensor on your forks somewhere.no, I think he is trying to think, which he shouldn't do. He might end up with an aneurysm

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:48 PM

Wow you are dense. Just cant admit to being wrong huh?

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:48 PM

They are behind my truck to the right...out of the shot. I figured you would use that....so predictable.so predictable, yet you couldn't predict it and do anything about it.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:49 PM

Wow you are dense. Just cant admit to being wrong huh?Yes

h2co-pilot

12-05-2006, 07:50 PM

Maybe crawl ratio is beyond you. You probably have about 30:1 in your ultimate offroader. When i mash the gas in 1st gear, it barely moves. I would have had to shift into 5th to drive outta that, but it happend in about 3 seconds so there was no time.

Well, take the right line next time.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:50 PM

so predictable, yet you couldn't predict it and do anything about it.

You are so lame, yet you keep posting this lame pschycology crap to make yourself feel smartish. Lets get someone new in here...your jokes are washed up.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:51 PM

Well, take the right line next time.

I will, that line sucked, i had a spotter telling me to got left, and another guy telling me to go right. lol

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:55 PM

You are so lame, yet you keep posting this lame pschycology crap to make yourself feel smartish. Lets get someone new in here...your jokes are washed up.WTF are you talking about? did you get something caught in your throat?

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 07:56 PM

I will, that line sucked, i had a spotter telling me to got left, and another guy telling me to go right. lolfunny and I thought you said it was a competition

Poopy

12-05-2006, 07:58 PM

In competitons drivers have spotters....:rolleyes:

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 08:00 PM

In competitons drivers have spotters....:rolleyes:correction

"a spotter"

Poopy

12-05-2006, 08:02 PM

Being old bald, rich and lonely, must really suck. I feel for you paragon, if you ever need to talk, shoot me an email sometime.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 08:07 PM

Being old bald, rich and lonely, must really suck. I feel for you paragon, if you ever need to talk, shoot me an email sometime.Well, 1 out of 4 ain't..... (correction) really is bad. You suck at the internet.

StillRYE

12-05-2006, 08:38 PM

I just got one question for ya paragon can you explain to me what a crawl ratio is without looking it up on the internet? Because by the sounds of it you have no idea what he's even talking about.

Now I must prepare for an over analyzed rant from Mr.Thesaurus himself. While on the previously mentioned rant he will conveniently avoid the whole question because he can't admit there is somthing he does not know being the Ultimate 4x4 god that he is.

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 08:53 PM

OK, dufus.:giggling:

Nice attempt. When a tire goes backwards.... what does it do? It stops going the direction it was supposed to go, goes backwards.

and the computer keeps seeing pulses. a pulse is a pulse. obviously this is over your head, keep trying though, you're getting the idea of how **** actually works. just gotta work on this crawl ratio concept next.

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 08:55 PM

hell when we're done with you you might understand what gm designed into yur h2.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 08:56 PM

and the computer keeps seeing pulses. a pulse is a pulse. obviously this is over your head, keep trying though, you're getting the idea of how **** actually works. just gotta work on this crawl ratio concept next.No it doesn't, you moron. The speed sensor does what it's name suggests "senses speed" If said speed is zero, then it ain't seeing crap, captain homo.

What's your point on crawl ratio and what does that have to do with the ABS/TCS?

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 08:57 PM

hell when we're done with you you might understand what gm designed into yur h2.you wouldn't know a sheep if it baaaaacked up into your dick there, sport.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 08:58 PM

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 09:04 PM

No it doesn't, you moron. The speed sensor does what it's name suggests "senses speed" If said speed is zero, then it ain't seeing crap, captain homo.

What's your point on crawl ratio and what does that have to do with the ABS/TCS?

once again, look up what a hall effect, tone wheel, or a chopper wheel are. and tell me how they can detect a direction.

i'll even save you time, they don't. they sense speed, not direction, re read your first posting on this subject, how would the tire spinning backwards have an effect?

the fact is that when the speed between wheels is too great, it triggers an error code and turns on the "back the **** out of the throttle you idiot" light. not because a tire is spinning backwards.

i think he's about to snap, he's resorting to grade school insults now.

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 09:05 PM

you wouldn't know a sheep if it baaaaacked up into your dick there, sport.

dude i don't deal in sheep i deal in CT trucks.... you on the other hand have a farm. do you own velcro gloves too? you sound like a pro sheep ****er

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 09:11 PM

Keep it up your credibility is dropping by the post! :perfect10s:that's what I strive for.... credibility among the blackflag retards

StillRYE

12-05-2006, 09:12 PM

Poopy

12-05-2006, 09:16 PM

Perhaps he's a politician? Seems to fit the bill, arrogant, can't admit when he's wrong, avoids answering questions, runs smear campaigns on his competition when he is cornered, and sidesteps the pressing issues.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 09:19 PM

once again, look up what a hall effect, tone wheel, or a chopper wheel are. and tell me how they can detect a direction.

i'll even save you time, they don't. they sense speed, not direction, re read your first posting on this subject, how would the tire spinning backwards have an effect?

the fact is that when the speed between wheels is too great, it triggers an error code and turns on the "back the **** out of the throttle you idiot" light. not because a tire is spinning backwards.

i think he's about to snap, he's resorting to grade school insults now.You are really too GD funny.

Do you go around and argue with yourself? I bet you mumble all the time too.

Ok, you win, since you are simply restating what I have already said and I need to go polish my chrome with $100 bills.

BTW, what exactly happens when a tire spins backwards while one is doing donuts? Hmmm..... Oh yeah, that's right, it instantaneously starts going the opposite direction at speed and then remarkably returns back forward instantaneous back up to speed, never slowing or coming to a stop. Right? Yep. thought so.:lame:

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 09:24 PM

Nahh he's probably avoiding the question completely
No, actually Ryan I usually don't look at your posts as they are simply nothing but a bunch of letters all run together. They do nothing but cause me to have to pause to attempt to decipher what you were attempting to say.

Crawl ratio- No, I have absolutely no idea what it is. Never heard of it. Did you guys make that term up. Does it have something to do with your homosexual tendencies while smoking weed?:rolleyes:

If that's what you are going to stump me with, then I better leave.

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 09:30 PM

ie - one tire going backwards while the other tires are spinning forwards

the computer still sees speed. not direction. if one is going backwards then it just sees it as going x mph. not fowards nor backwards.

you sure do like to backtrack. you don't understand a question so you assume it's flawed. paragon for prez.

StillRYE

12-05-2006, 09:33 PM

Crawl ratio- No, I have absolutely no idea what it is. Never heard of it. Did you guys make that term up. Does it have something to do with your homosexual tendencies while smoking weed?:rolleyes:

.

HORRY ****E he actually said he didnt know somthing and you call yourself a wheeler:clapping: its ok stick to what your good at and keep coming up with whitty comments about my lack of punctuation

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 09:46 PM

the computer still sees speed. not direction. if one is going backwards then it just sees it as going x mph. not fowards nor backwards.

you sure do like to backtrack. you don't understand a question so you assume it's flawed. paragon for prez.you are trying your best to stretch this into what?

You are trying to say I'm wrong about something when I'm not. Hell, sport, I'm wrong plenty enough for you to try and pick **** where I'm not wrong. Does your inferiority complex extend into your personal life?

You have erectile dysfunction when confronted with a woman, don't you?

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 09:47 PM

HORRY ****E he actually said he didnt know somthing and you call yourself a wheeler:clapping: its ok stick to what your good at and keep coming up with whitty comments about my lack of punctuation:giggling: :twak:

sj-x 500

12-05-2006, 10:00 PM

no, you're trying to prove you're half right.

you are correct in that the code is being set off by wheel spin.

if you can tell me how the tcs abs can determine direction, i'll stop. but since you still haven't admited that you're wrong in your original post, i see no need to stop. so how about you stop with the worst penis jokes i've ever read, and try to anwser a question.

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 10:02 PM

Id love to! I think that if you got a error code from doing donuts....something is wrong.

For you......this would probably mean it's time to change the grease in the fryer before the boss gets pissed.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 10:15 PM

For you......this would probably mean it's time to change the grease in the fryer before the boss gets pissed.

I hate to dissapoint, but we dont base our lives around fast food like you fat americans.

StillRYE

12-05-2006, 10:17 PM

:giggling: :twak:

Thats all ya got now you can't even come up with anything pathetic to say ya gotta resort to smilies how disapointing

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 10:18 PM

I hate to dissapoint, but we dont base our lives around fast food like you fat americans.

I honestly can't believe you are so stupid as to not get the joke.

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 10:18 PM

Thats all ya got now you can't even come up with anything pathetic to say ya gotta resort to smilies how disapointing

:giggling:

Poopy

12-05-2006, 10:33 PM

I honestly can't believe you are so stupid as to not get the joke.

I honestly can't believe you are so stupid as to write a joke that blatantly retarded, its regurgitated crap that you guys spew into eachothers mouths like the cum snowballs your moms passed around last night.

:twak:

StillRYE

12-05-2006, 10:39 PM

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CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 10:40 PM

I honestly can't believe you are so stupid as to write a joke that blatantly retarded, its regurgitated crap that you guys spew into eachothers mouths like the cum snowballs your moms passed around last night.

:twak:

:giggling:

Poopy

12-05-2006, 10:42 PM

:giggling:

:D

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 10:44 PM

like the cum snowballs your moms passed around last night.

The beauty of your posts is reflected in that fact that you think this comment is funny while everyone else reads it and thinks to himself "wow, it's that guy white trash or what".

Oh, Ca--na-da!!!

StillRYE

12-05-2006, 10:44 PM

;)

Poopy

12-05-2006, 10:45 PM

The beauty of your posts is reflected in that fact that you think this comment is funny while everyone else reads it and thinks to himself "wow, it's that guy white trash or what".

Oh, Ca--na-da!!!

Nice try Junior.

:giggling:

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 10:49 PM

Nice try Junior.

:giggling:

Then.........the next thing everyone sees is you posting this. They say to themselves "Is that all he's got?".

WHERE ARE THE PICS OF THAT 'RANCH'?

Poopy

12-05-2006, 10:50 PM

Nope anyone reading this is thinking, "Sh!t, Cok Hummper is really looking pathetic with his pitiful comebacks, why doesn't he just STFU, he's embarrasing H2's worldwide."

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 10:55 PM

Nope anyone reading this is thinking, "Sh!t, Cok Hummper is really looking pathetic with his pitiful comebacks, why doesn't he just STFU, he's embarrasing H2's worldwide."

Owning a Candian redneck in under 10 minutes........FUN

Watching the Raahr111 rise up.........GREAT FUN!

Reading the above quote..........PRICELESS.

Poopy

12-05-2006, 11:01 PM

Watching the Raahr111 rise up.........GREAT FUN!

Is that your islamic god? are YOU a terrorist? BTW you are the one that got owned.....

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 11:03 PM

Is that your islamic god? are YOU a terrorist? BTW you are the one that got owned.....

I know you are, but what am I. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

hahaha!

WHERE'S THE PICS OF YOUR 'RANCH'?

Poopy

12-05-2006, 11:04 PM

I know you are, but what am I. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

hahaha!

WHERE'S THE PICS OF YOUR 'RANCH'?

I already posted it you dumb sh!t.

PARAGON

12-05-2006, 11:07 PM

I already posted it you dumb sh!t.Yo' momma:giggling:

CO Hummer

12-05-2006, 11:09 PM

I already posted it you dumb sh!t.

I'm talking about yours, not your Daddy's. See my post over there, Skippy.

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 02:37 AM

I don't want to, there is no point. I just tried to help with this serious hummer defect, and you guys just jump all over me....:lame:

ok maybe one pic.....it actually balanced there with no straps on. :D

http://www.blackflag4x4.com/dirtbag/pooped.jpgI knew something looked a little familiar there

Poor poopy had to resort, oh Lord please say it isn't so. That's not a chevy rear end stuck up in the air, is it?

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 02:38 AM

Hell, if wanted to ride on limestone, I could down to my farm and do that. :lame:

Poopy

12-06-2006, 04:32 AM

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 05:29 AM

Limestone? This is the northwest, we dont have limestone. Thats granite....learn some geology.

And that is a dana spicer rear end. Out of a ford, and the front is out of a dodge. No chevy crap on my rig. Maybe i should try one of your plastic t-cases?

How come you changed your sig line? Now its a tough guy marines sig line....LOL trying to intimidate?You ****ing goofbal the Albert Camus quote was in reference to Marine Devil Dogs. My sigs usually have something related to the Marine Corps.

So, when you told a guy you were running D60s f/r and it was a Dodge up front chevy out back you were lying.... or is it that your are lying now. Dana..... yeah, that's typical yota fare.:twak:

front is a 91.5 dodge, rear is a chevy from something.....

Poopy

12-06-2006, 05:58 AM

Nope not lying, i just found out yesterday it was a ford van. I broke an axle last weekend and measured it, low and behold its a ford van. ;) I'm so happy that you are so concerned with the details of my rig, I'm flattered really. Thanks Paragon!

Tech tip here....Dont borrow 44" tires with 30 spline dana 60s and try to climb vertical ledges.....things tend to break. :giggling:

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 06:00 AM

:OWNED: :jump: Nope not lying, i just found out yesterday it was a ford van. I broke an axle last weekend and measured it, low and behold its a ford van. ;) I'm so happy that you are so concerned with the details of my rig, I'm flattered really. Thanks Paragon!

Tech tip here....Dont borrow 44" tires with 30 spline dana 60s and try to climb vertical ledges.....things tend to break. :giggling::jump::lame: :lame: :OWNED:

Poopy

12-06-2006, 06:03 AM

Care to elaborate?

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 06:05 AM

Care to elaborate?Care to elaborate:crying: :shhh: :excited: :cool: :yawn:

Poopy

12-06-2006, 06:08 AM

It appears the great paragon, has had a melt down, like a robot that can no longer compute....he is finished.

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 06:10 AM

:lame: It appears the great paragon, has had a melt down, like a robot that can no longer compute....he is finished.

NEOCON1

12-06-2006, 06:11 AM

my internet crashes for 3 hours tonight and i miss all this sillyness ;)

Poopy

12-06-2006, 06:11 AM

RIP Paragon, it was fun.

Poopy

12-06-2006, 06:12 AM

my internet crashes for 3 hours tonight and i miss all this sillyness ;)

It is some good sillyness. Poor Paragon takes it all seriously though, he better watch his ticker.

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 06:12 AM

RIP Paragon, it was fun.:twak:

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 06:13 AM

RIP Paragon, it was fun.
front is a 91.5 dodge, rear is a chevy from something.....:giggling:

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 06:15 AM

It is some good sillyness. Poor Paragon takes it all seriously though, he better watch his ticker.:yawn:

Poopy

12-06-2006, 06:16 AM

Dood! Are you ok!?? Too many meds tonight? What gives? Someone call 911 and send it to the richest guy in americas house or farm! Help!

:excited:

PARAGON

12-06-2006, 06:23 AM

finally driven me to sleep, poop is just .......too............ ****ing........... boring and ........lame....... to............. try.......... to...................... continue

Boar-Ral

12-06-2006, 06:57 PM

Oh noes!:eek: We should have gotten a Subaru.:dancingbanana:
I wouldn't recommend it. A friend of mine is a mechanic at the local Subaru dealership and when I considered purchasing one, he recommended I purchase a second one for spare parts. They have nine parked in the back that have been waiting for parts for the past two months.

I know two people with Subaru Outbacks and they both drive like idiots. One dropped his transmission after driving two kilometers in reverse at 60 km/h, and another needed a new engine after running the engine without oil changes and eventually running the engine without oil.

Boar-Ral

12-06-2006, 07:06 PM

Where are the actual sensors located? Are they located inside the axle casing, or at the actual wheel assembly? I have had my ABS light come on twice when offroading, and of course, because traction control relies on these sensors, everything shuts down. So I guess the root of the problem is something flaking out with the sensors, whether it be for the reasons others have stated, like excessive wheel spin, or something else. I was just wondering where the sensors were, because I was wondering if it was possible to get gunk in between them that might cause a problem. I am experiencing problems with the ABS sensors on my car at the moment, due to a wire harness that is almost torn out. Until the replacement gets here, it tends to flake out a lot right around freezing, when I think snow and ice melt and moisture gets in there. When it is really warm, or really cold, it is never a problem.

Boar-Ral

12-06-2006, 07:38 PM

I only have a basic knowledge of how the wheel sensors work, but enough that I suspected that they should be able to detect wheel direction as well. I spent a few minutes searching and found that there are a couple companies that make directional wheel sensors for automobile manufacturers. They are essentially a normal wheel sensor, but the magnets on the inside of the sensor are staggered with their north and south poles reversed. Then, the outside of the sensor has two magnets, and simple electronics calculate the wheel direction based on what pole is encountered first and by what magnet as it circles the hub.

I called AM General to inquire what model of wheel sensor they use in the H2 and if it is capable of detecting wheel direction. They are supposed to call me back today or tomorrow.

sj-x 500

12-08-2006, 07:25 AM

Boar-Ral

12-08-2006, 04:34 PM

the sensors are typically located at the hub, on the back side of the hub there will be a type of gold or silver colored ring pressed over the outside of the hub. the pickup is held in the housing on teh rear axle, or in the caliper bracket usually.

the hub rotates, and the "sensor" which is just a magnet, with some thin coper windings around it, picks up on the raising and collapsing magnetic feild, which induces the voltage in the wire, sending a pulse to the ecm along the wires.

do you have a link to how a directional sensor would work?
I had bookmarked a web site when the discussion first started, but I cleared them out yesterday, when doing housecleaning.

I did find another web site though, but this one seems to utilize the Hall Effect, and is different from the one I first found. You can read it here (http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/AD22157.pdf), though.

I also found this (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/toyota-scion-and-lexus-news/73511-downhill-hill-start-assist-control-systems/) web site, where it indicates that the upcoming (or at least upcoming when announced recently) 4Runner will also be able to detect wheel direction, though they are pretty vague on details, apart from the basics that we already know.

While thinking about it further, I can see how you might be able to more easily detect wheel direction with a magnetic system. What if around the ring, you had magnets of increasing strength, and the system could detect if the field was increasing gradually, then sharp dropoff, etc. or decreasing gradually, then sharp rise, etc.? I guess the problem there would be that because the field is translated to voltage in a normal system, increasing voltage means increasing speed. This system I'm proposing would see increasing voltage, just in normal wheel spin, even if the vehicle is not accelerating. Hmm. Maybe there is a way to compensate for that. Maybe two equally-strong magnets on opposite sides of the ring, and the system uses those as "checks." (It would need two sensors on opposite sides of the ring, too, to monitor.) Sorry if I am rambling, and if I am a bit vague. Sometimes I wish I had the intelligence to be an inventor. :)

Boar-Ral

12-08-2006, 04:36 PM

I forgot to mention that when I first contacted AM General, they indicated to me that they were unable to tell me the model of the wheel sensor because it was proprietary information. Proprietary does not seem to be the right word, here. Regardless, they would not provide the model number to me. When I contacted them again, and simply asked whether or not the sensor was capable of detecting wheel direction, they did not get back to me. Either they do not know, they are waiting on an engineer, or I pissed them off.

Captain of the Titanic

12-08-2006, 04:51 PM

Come on guys...

We all know the utter superiority of the Subarus. The Subaru guys always get the good looking women, tame the toughest trails, and all-in-all are, as Poopy said, god-like.

Okay, that's enough... I can't keep a straight face anymore

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a Idiot... SUBARU!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Boar-Ral

12-08-2006, 05:15 PM

We all know the utter superiority of the Subarus. The Subaru guys always get the good looking women, tame the toughest trails, and all-in-all are, as Poopy said, god-like.

Okay, that's enough... I can't keep a straight face anymore

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a Idiot... SUBARU!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Apart from the issues expressed by my friend who works at the local Subaru dealership, I can see the Subaru being a vehicle that the average person might enjoy. If you stick to the highway, it is a nice vehicle, and the AWD would be a nice feature in the winter. But let's face it, most of us didn't buy a Hummer to keep it on the pavement. And for those who did, the reason was probably because the Hummer is "in your face." Heck, I like it for both reasons. But the Subaru is neither, and I think that is where a lot of the hostility comes from. If I simply wanted a vehicle to just drive to and from work each day, with the benefit of AWD, it would be something I could see myself driving, if not for my friend scaring me away from them. I guess I'm just saying they're not a horrible vehicle, just not something you can compare to a Hummer.