View Full Version : Road family went down was closed by gate.
NewHummerGuy
12-09-2006, 02:53 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16107451/
Road family drove down was gated closed 11/1 but vandals broke lock.
DRTYFN
12-09-2006, 04:09 AM
I'm still in awe of the stupidity involved with the decision to go up a mountain road that was clearly marked as NOT being maintained in the winter and it was snowing heavily. What a way to buy the farm-:OWNED:by self.
f5fstop
12-09-2006, 02:57 PM
And now, they are blaming the rescuers....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16109367/
It was tragic, but apparently his fault, he was driving and decided to leave the vehicle. Why is everyone now looking to blame someone else?
And now, they are blaming the rescuers....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16109367/
It was tragic, but apparently his fault, he was driving and decided to leave the vehicle. Why is everyone now looking to blame someone else?That's because this is America and no one is responsible for their actions.:mad: died near a tourist lodge that could have provided warmth, shelter and food for months.That lodge was actually checked several times and was CLOSED.
PARAGON
12-10-2006, 01:31 AM
And now, they are blaming the rescuers....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16109367/
It was tragic, but apparently his fault, he was driving and decided to leave the vehicle. Why is everyone now looking to blame someone else?careful what you say around here or they will start blaming you:giggling:
Klaus
12-10-2006, 01:38 AM
He was an editor for CNet! Why didn't he have GPS navigation?
BlueHUMMERH2
12-10-2006, 02:00 AM
He was an editor for CNet! Why didn't he have GPS navigation?
Yeah really. Some sort of technological device would have helped A LOT. He was a senior editor too, so it's not like he was some peon that wasn't making any money.
Sewie
12-10-2006, 08:54 AM
And now, they are blaming the rescuers....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16109367/
Un-fawking-believable. :rant: :rant:
BKLYNH2
12-11-2006, 08:46 PM
Un-fawking-believable. :rant: :rant:
x2:(
Mr. I - Man
12-11-2006, 09:00 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16107451/
Road family drove down was gated closed 11/1 but vandals broke lock.
Probably DRTY looking to do some snow wheeling, because he's a straight up Thuggin Vandal!:D J/K
DRTYFN
12-11-2006, 09:36 PM
Probably DRTY looking to do some snow wheeling, because he's a straight up E-Thuggin Vandal!:D J/K
fixed:fdance:
If he would have just stayed with the car... and NOT burned the tires so they could have driven out when the snow melted like it did.:rolleyes:
DennisAJC
12-11-2006, 09:41 PM
fixed:fdance:
If he would have just stayed with the car... and NOT burned the tires so they could have driven out when the snow melted like it did.:rolleyes:
You idiot. It's not like they had a 5 day supply of Propel. They had to stay warm.
Why don't you STFU and GTFO and help search for the 3 missing "Experienced" hikers on Mt. Hood.:OWNED:
PARAGON
12-11-2006, 09:46 PM
fixed:fdance:
If he would have just stayed with the car... and NOT burned the tires so they could have driven out when the snow melted like it did.:rolleyes:burning the tires was fine, since they ran the car out of gas for heat
6 days, no camp, no established fire and disable your only means for transportation. :OWNED:
FWIW, I probably would have done the same thing and suffered the same fate, OK, but I sure as hell would hope the media would not be making a martyr out of me like I did some heroic things when all I did was make a series of mistakes.
PARAGON
12-11-2006, 09:47 PM
You idiot. It's not like they had a 5 day supply of Propel. They had to stay warm. FIRE!!!!!
even the caveman had it
DRTYFN
12-11-2006, 09:51 PM
You idiot. It's not like they had a 5 day supply of Propel. They had to stay warm. And they were stupid to not be carrying the life-saving Propel.
Why don't you STFU and GTFO and help search for the 3 missing "Experienced" hikers on Mt. Hood.:OWNED:
No. They went up there knowing it was going to be snowing hard- f*ck them. I'm not chomping at the bit to win a Darwin Award.
RISKY WEATHER HAMPERS MOUNT HOOD SEARCH
GOVERNMENT CAMP, Ore. -- Blinding snow and avalanche conditionsThey went up there under these conditions. Sorry. See ya in the spring. Dopes. forced some of the rescuers to retreat Monday in the search for three missing climbers on Mount Hood.
The three men were reported missing on Mount Hood Monday after failing to meet friends as scheduled.
DMN Photos
Climbers Kelly James (pictured on left) and Brian Hall as pictures in photos from Dallas Morning News.
On Friday, Kelly James, of Dallas, Texas, become injured and he carved out a snow cave with the help of his fellow climbers, Brian Hall, 37, also from Dallas, and Jerry ?Nikko? Cook, 36, of Brooklyn, N.Y., according to deputy Pete Hughes of the Hood River County Sheriff?s Office.
Searchers headed up the North and South sides of the ice-covered mountain Monday morning, but around noon teams on the South side were forced to head back down, or risk getting stranded themselves.
Family friend Jessica Nunez said the climbers were well-prepared to survive on the mountain.
?Kelly and Brian are both experienced mountain climbers,? Nunez said. "They?ve climbed quite a bit in that area, but they?ve never climbed Mount Hood.?
It was snowing hard at Timberline Lodge over the weekend, where the three were to have met the friends.
The rest of the article is here:
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_121106_news_missing_climbers.1a09421e.html
PARAGON
12-11-2006, 09:57 PM
No. They went up there knowing it was going to be snowing hard- f*ck them. I'm not chomping at the bit to win a Darwin Award.
The rest of the article is here:
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_121106_news_missing_climbers.1a09421e.html wait til the volcano melts the snows;) :giggling:
DRTYFN
12-11-2006, 10:04 PM
wait til the volcano melts the snows;) :giggling:
Don't say that. Every time I go up to Timberline Lodge I think about what an unbelievable loss it'd be if we lost that place.
I do hope they get frostbite and are used as an example of why Nature owns humans.
h2co-pilot
12-11-2006, 11:24 PM
Gawd! Dicks/dog dicks/flea dicks/parasitic dicks= all of you- DICKS!!:twak:
I'm not explaining myself and I don't want to hear excuses- I have a headache. I just wanted to call you that. Don't even respond- if you do it's advisable you do so next week.;):D
CO Hummer
12-11-2006, 11:40 PM
Don't even respond- if you do it's advisable you do so next week.;):D
Well it's nice to hear that at least the holidays will be cheerful! ;)
Ken, Hold off on the pistol purchase for a little while.
Mr. I - Man
12-11-2006, 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. I - Man
Probably DRTY looking to do some snow wheeling, because he's a straight up E-Thuggin Vandal!:D J/K
[quote=DRTYFN]fixed:fdance:
What Up E-Thug Love!!!!:twak:
Rep Yo Set Homie!:giggling:
PARAGON
12-12-2006, 12:05 AM
Gawd! Dicks/dog dicks/flea dicks/parasitic dicks= all of you- DICKS!!:twak: Happy Holidays to you too!
Mr. I - Man
12-12-2006, 12:25 AM
[quote=h2co-pilot]Gawd! Dicks/dog dicks/flea dicks/parasitic dicks= all of you- DICKS!!:twak:
I take it she likes teh DICK!:dancingbanana:
Well it's nice to hear that at least the holidays will be cheerful! ;)
Ken, Hold off on the pistol purchase for a little while.I'm so happy!!!
I will.
h2co-pilot
12-12-2006, 01:38 AM
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http://smilies.vidahost.com/ups/razor_wind/madani.gif:eek: :eek:
Hmmm2
12-12-2006, 02:54 AM
They announced today on CNN that Mr. Kim had actually hiked 16.5 miles, not the 10 originally first thought. :crying: No matter what anyone thinks, or who would have done it another way .. this man went out looking for aid for his family and died in the process. We don't need to dissect it .. what happened happened. I'm sure it's not what he was hoping for, for himself. :crying:
Mrs.ssippi
12-12-2006, 03:26 AM
They announced today on CNN that Mr. Kim had actually hiked 16.5 miles, not the 10 originally first thought. :crying: No matter what anyone thinks, or who would have done it another way .. this man went out looking for aid for his family and died in the process. We don't need to dissect it .. what happened happened. I'm sure it's not what he was hoping for, for himself. :crying:Okay, I'm not trying to be a bitch (I just can't help it), but I think we do need to "dissect" it. Alot of people on this forum travel and wheel alot. I know some of you don't wheel, but this is great information. Anytime someone does something wrong someone learns from it. I bet that none of us that have posted or read this thread will make the same mistake that Mr. Kim made. I have make lots of "mistakes", although I don't call them mistakes, in my life time I have learned from them. I am who I am because of the discisions that I have made. Good or bad. So I do think we need to dissect alot more sh!t and I'm glad we have so many different opinions on this forum because I learn stuff, sometimes stupid and nasty (thanks to DRTY) stuff but I do learn so great stuff too.:beerchug:
PARAGON
12-12-2006, 05:34 AM
They announced today on CNN that Mr. Kim had actually hiked 16.5 miles, not the 10 originally first thought. :crying: No matter what anyone thinks, or who would have done it another way .. this man went out looking for aid for his family and died in the process. We don't need to dissect it .. what happened happened. I'm sure it's not what he was hoping for, for himself. :crying:How the fck do they know?
They've announced he was less than a mile from the car when he wasn't, they announced that he was alive just hours before he was found, he wasn't. THEY have announced all sorts of stupid crap about this that has been factless. For all we really know, he walked 2 miles and fell down a crevasse.
BlueHUMMERH2
12-12-2006, 06:01 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/11/griffin.oregon/index.html
MERLIN, Oregon (CNN) -- We came to Oregon to retrace the path James Kim and his family took the day they got stranded in the Rogue River wilderness.
When we finally reached the spot where the Kim's car stopped after a long, winding journey, our traveling companions -- Sgt. Joel Heller, Josephine County Sheriff's office, and John James, owner of the Black Bar Lodge -- both had the same exact thought: Why did the Kims continue down such a desolate path when they so clearly did not know where they were going?
Though it is heart wrenching to question the decisions made by a man who died trying to save his family, it is hard not to wonder.
Three times, we passed large yellow signs warning that snow may completely block the roadway.
Eventually, we came to a fork in the road where a tiny sign -- almost invisible unless you actually stop the car and focus on it -- pointed the way to the Oregon Coast. The sign pointed left. The Kims drove right.
This was obviously the wrong direction. It was one lane, no guardrail, no markings, no "winding road ahead" signs, no speed limit signs, no nothing.
During our daylight journey, the road was so hazardous, so covered with snow and ice that a CNN satellite truck operator refused to continue, fearing the truck could go over the side.
The pavement began to break up, then turn to gravel, and finally to dirt.
This was an old logging road used only in summer by lodge owners hauling supplies. In winter, it was not generally in use.
In fact, beginning November 1 a gate usually blocked the road. Somebody must have broken the lock and left the gate open. Had it been shut and locked, the Kims could not have gone down the road at all.
But they did. Twenty miles down that desolate road, James and Kati Kim and their two young daughters found themselves stranded in the snowy wilderness.
By the time we came to the spot they stopped, our four-wheel-drive vehicle was being battered on both sides by overhanging branches and bushes.
This is where the Kims stayed for nine days, and the spot from which James Kim set off on foot on a journey into the Oregon wilderness that resulted in his death.
Hmmm2
12-12-2006, 06:57 AM
Quoting the CNN story from above .. "
When we finally reached the spot where the Kim's car stopped after a long, winding journey, our traveling companions -- Sgt. Joel Heller, Josephine County Sheriff's office, and John James, owner of the Black Bar Lodge -- both had the same exact thought: Why did the Kims continue down such a desolate path when they so clearly did not know where they were going?
Though it is heart wrenching to question the decisions made by a man who died trying to save his family, it is hard not to wonder.
Three times, we passed large yellow signs warning that snow may completely block the roadway. " Yes, you have to wonder .. and dissect, WHY they chose to take a desolate path, especially with a very young child and a baby? You DO have to wonder, WHAT were they thinking? They HAD to know it couldn't have been a direct path to anywheres but a disaster. You're right, Paragon and Mrs.ssippi, these are the ways we learn .. ESPECIALLY of things NOT to do. I feel sorry for the family, but, you would think that between two grown adults, one of them would have had the sense to say, "WAIT!!!! What are we doing?!" Too late now. But, the rest of us know (or have known) what NOT to do.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/11/griffin.oregon/index.html
MERLIN, Oregon (CNN) -- We came to Oregon to retrace the path James Kim and his family took the day they got stranded in the Rogue River wilderness.
Why did the Kims continue down such a desolate path when they so clearly did not know where they were going?
This was an old logging road used only in summer by lodge owners hauling supplies. In winter, it was not generally in use.
In fact, beginning November 1 a gate usually blocked the road. Somebody must have broken the lock and left the gate open. Had it been shut and locked, the Kims could not have gone down the road at all.
This is the part where CNN starts to blame someone else.
For all we really know, he walked 2 miles and fell down a crevasse.LMAO! And I think a cougar in the area took his shoes and left footprints all over the Mtn Side to make it LOOK like he walked 16 miles. yep
DRTYFN
12-12-2006, 08:12 AM
Three times, we passed large yellow signs warning that snow may completely block the roadway.
Those big yellow warning signs are so ambiguous.:rolleyes::OWNED:
PARAGON
12-12-2006, 03:36 PM
LMAO! And I think a cougar in the area took his shoes and left footprints all over the Mtn Side to make it LOOK like he walked 16 miles. yepconsidering the car was snowed in and he left in snow, it rained, etc etc. I want to know where these numbers keep popping up on how far he travelled.
If he walked 16 miles, why was he only a few miles from the car?
PARAGON
12-12-2006, 03:45 PM
LMAO! And I think a cougar in the area took his shoes and left footprints all over the Mtn Side to make it LOOK like he walked 16 miles. yepI think you are giving them too much credit. I don't think they have a clue where he went or how far.
A San Francisco man who was stranded with his family in the snowy wilderness walked more than 16 miles in search of help before he died -- six more than originally thought, a search official said Saturday.
James Kim, 35, his wife and their two daughters were about seven miles from a fishing lodge stocked with food, not the one mile as authorities earlier thought, said Phil Turnbull, a fire chief in Josephine County.
A mapping error led to the incorrect figures, but did not affect the search for Kim, Turnbull said.
PARAGON
12-12-2006, 04:18 PM
WTF, there is wikipedia stuff for this?
Apparently they didn't know where the car was because some dude couldn't read a map.
He walked 10 miles down the road and then went into the canyon and backtracked 5 miles:confused:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kim#Map_and_route_controversy
This could have been averted if they'd owned a Hummer.
GLBLWARMR
12-12-2006, 04:47 PM
I guess the moral of this story is "Sometimes it is better to stay the fvck off the road less traveled" or "Man to stubborn to ask for directions becomes popsicle in the snow" or "Man with limp walks in circles" or "Don't wait 9 damn days before looking for help". Is it to early for jokes??
PARAGON
12-12-2006, 05:09 PM
I have a question. This isn't a knock, legit question.
A car like a Saab would average about 2 gallons a day at idle, idling constantly. It would have at least a 12 gallon tank or so.
I would assume they idled the car much more than we would be led to believe if they ran the car out of fuel, completely.
Why drain the fuel completely? Granted they would have burned some fuel driving to the point where they stopped, but undoubtedly they had a full tank to start with since they were trekking out into the unknown and had just came from an Interstate exit.
CO Hummer
12-12-2006, 05:13 PM
but undoubtedly they had a full tank to start with since they were trekking out into the unknown and had just came from an Interstate exit.
Bad assumption. If they were stupid enought to turn off on that road, they were certainly stupid enough to leave without a full tank. Don't ya think?
trekking out into the unknown and had just came from an Interstate exit.Are you kidding me?!?!?! They left an interstate? WTF???
I certainly hope there's a very good reason for that, or else my sympathy will be gone.:confused:
Is it to early for jokes??We must wait for the sappy, tear jerker to hit the theaters first.
I wonder if they'll sell snow cones at the opener.
PARAGON
12-12-2006, 05:21 PM
Are you kidding me?!?!?! They left an interstate? WTF???
I certainly hope there's a very good reason for that, or else my sympathy will be gone.:confused:go read that wikipedia thing I posted up a few posts
it has maps and chit. They missed their turn off the interstate, so instead of turning around, they went to the next exit and tried to cut through on some mountain roads.
it has maps and chit. They missed their turn off the interstate, so instead of turning around, they went to the next exit and tried to cut through on some mountain roads.Well that's just stupid. It's too easy to get turned around in the mountains.
Ask CO Hummer, he doesn't even know the names of stretts in his own 'hood.:giggling: ;)
CO Hummer
12-12-2006, 05:29 PM
Ask CO Hummer, he doesn't even know the names of stretts in his own 'hood.:giggling: ;)
Tis true. Sometimes I even wonder about in the meadow outside my house, just looking for gas station!
I wonder if they'll sell snow cones at the opener.:clapping: :clapping:
When I came back East this summer, it was during some torrential rain storms and lots of flooding. Before I left Pennsylvania for Virginia, I asked everyone I came in contact with about the flooding and where to travel. If I missed a turn, I certainly didn't look at my Hertz map and re-route.
I bet it was really quiet in their car when he said, Here's another road Honey, it'll be fine.
I'm sure she was just sitting there:rant: quietly. C'mon!
CO Hummer
12-12-2006, 05:38 PM
I do find it fascintating what people will do in stressful situations. Smart people can make some unbelievably stupid decisions if they can't control their emotions. I've seen it even in 4-wheeling situations. A problem arises (e.g. breakdown) and people start coming up with some of the dumbest, hairbrained ideas on what do, how to get off the trail, etc.
A problem arises (e.g. breakdown) and people start coming up with some of the dumbest, hairbrained ideas on what do, how to get off the trail, etc.:iagree: :perfect10s:
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