Possible move to Salt Lake City, UT

[H3.007]

Greetings all,

I may have a chance to transfer to the Salt Lake City area. From the discussions here, that entire area is HOT for H3 off roading. But I am completely unfamiliar with the territory.

Does anyone have real estate guide suggestions as well as suggestions and opinions on where to/not to live, cost of living (both rental and residence pruchase), general commute times and traffic patterns, what the shopping and eating are like, and what other activities are raging out there? Basically, anything you can tell me would be of assistance in my decision. I only have 15 days to apply for the transfer so quick replies would be greatly appreciated!

:beerchug:

[NEOCON1]

not sure about SLC but utah is the $hit , we are the reddest of the red states :D not nearly as many mormons as everyone thinks ;) and you can have as many wives as you want :p ( not really ).

come on out to the frontier you will love it :beerchug:

actually there are some guys on here more familliar with Salt Lake that can give you better answers . we just moved in October and live in the boonies compared to SLC.

just hope you dont mind it being cold for a few months a year .

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

not sure about SLC but utah is the $hit , we are the reddest of the red states :D not nearly as many mormons as everyone thinks ;) and you can have as many wives as you want :p ( not really ).

come on out to the frontier you will love it :beerchug:

actually there are some guys on here more familliar with Salt Lake that can give you better answers . we just moved in October and live in the boonies compared to SLC.

just hope you dont mind it being cold for a few months a year .

Exactly what is a few and what do you mean by cold???

RYD

[NEOCON1]

nov , dec , jan lows in the teens and 20's but do get some highs to 50-60 range lately mid 20's for the low and mid 50's for the high . i thought maybe the FEW you were asking about was the # of wives you can have :giggling: ;) you can really rack up the ex's here ;)

[evldave]

I think you should move there just to live in a city that can be abbreviated SL,UT.:clapping:

[H3.007]

LOL - I never thought of that Evil! "SL, UT" :giggling:

Where do you guys live if it isn't in the city? I'd be more interested in "the boonies" for a residence, with a quick commute to the city. I don't prefer city living... or the subrubs for that matter. The latter is one reason I like the thought of the move.

Interestingly, I do see the divorce and separation rate is quite high there. What is up with that?

I also saw that the hunting and firearm carrying laws are on par or are somehwat more leanient than those here in PA. That is a bonus.
What is "huntable" in UT? Besides the women? Also, what is the male to female ratio like?

Some cold I can handle. We have winter in PA typically (except this year) from November through April. And we experience temps sometimes into the low twenties tozero range for weeks, even months. I suspect the temps and snowfall in SL,UT are milder.

Thanks again,
Chris

[RuggedH2]

I live in SLC.

Traffic is a breeze except between 7-9 am, and in the opposite direction between 4-6 in the evening. Even then not as bad as other cities our size (we got new freeways for the Olympics in 02). The average speed limit seems to be about 80-85, trust me I know.

Lot's of Mormons here. Male to female is about even, Utah chicks can be more of a challenge. :giggling:

Very little night life compared to other cities. Go to Park City and it's better, but don't drive down the canyon drunk.

The whole valley is bordered by mountains on one side and the lake on the other basically. Real estate is getting a little scarce. Lots of communities both North and South that are an easy and fast commute.

Plenty of hunting, Ski resorts in about 30 minutes from anywhere in the area. Nevada is only an hour and 15 minutes away.

I don't think it's gotten above freezing for about three weeks. The snow melts off the roads anyway.

You can have several wives but you gotta lay low. :beerchug:

[bheaton]

I went to school in UT. Can't speak to best places to live etc but the whole state is awesome as far as outdoor activities go. You'll have quick access to all kinds of off-roading, skiing, mountain biking, hunting. I think the skiing is better than even CO but at any rate it's some of the best in the US. SLC will be 6-7hrs to southern UT, serious off-roading and beautiful national parks. It's a few more hours to Vegas.

[usetosellhummer]

It's a Dry state BYOB:OWNED:

[RuggedH2]

It's a Dry state BYOB:OWNED:

People say that, but it's not what it means in other places.

You can buy any beverage you want here, just not on Sunday. You can still drink in bars, restaurants and clubs on Sunday, but the liquor stores aren't open on Sunday.

There are some silly hoops you have to jump through like only having one drink on the table at a time (each), but that just makes some people down em when they get another on the way.

The laws are not as restrictive as people think. More of a nuisance.

[NEOCON1]

It's a Dry state BYOB:OWNED:


LMAO :beerchug: i was stationed on a dry indian res for 2 years , its not quite the same :p but it can get hot and dry

[Vettster]

I used to live in Evanston, Wy. and we trekked over to SLC a bunch.
It has to be the easiest place to get around in. all the streets run parallel, and the avenues also. (no, not to each other:fdance: )
The people are friendly.
And, should you decide to "sin" you are only a few hours away from Wendover, Nv. :dancingbanana:
And the Bonneville Salt Flats.
Lots of great four wheelin!
If I had to go back to living somewhere cold, it would be tops on the list.
The only bad thing that I can think of is they do have state income tax.:crying:

[H3.007]

Hmmmm.... the dry issue sounds like PA. Only recently were the distributors allowed to be open on Sunday. I just buy a case on Friday :fdance:

I still do not believe the bars may be open on Sunday.

How are the women "more of a challenge"? If too much of a challenge - Nevada :)

What would be a good residential community with available real estate, lower cost of living, and a good commute time to SLC?

Also, how far is it into Grand Junction, CO from SLC? I have family in Grand Junction.

Thx,
Chris

:beerchug:

[HummBebe]

look in Bountiful....

You can buy anything from 150K to 1.5M. More large parcels there, minumum 1/4 acre.....


I used to board my Gelding out there, I really liked it.

[RuggedH2]

Chris,

Bountiful is nice. Most of the surrounding communities sound like what you're looking for.

I don't know how much money you're looking to spend but try to avoid the West side unless you go South, way South like West or South Jordan or Draper. Still within 30 minutes of downtown from there.

West Valley area, not so much. Not meaning to inadvertently offend anyone, but the man is asking for advice. West Valley is kinda "low rent", with higher crime.

Grand Junction is something like 5 hours.

[partsguy]

Is it true you can have as many wives as you want?

Now that I think about it why would that be a good thing.

[Vettster]

Is it true you can have as many wives as you want?

Now that I think about it why would that be a good thing.

Sorry, every time I think about divorce court, this seems like lesser and lesser like a good idea.:D

[dochummer]

bountiful is good, or even north SLC, or any of the subarbs before the point of the mountain....Sandy, Murray, South Jordan,.....like someone said before, the roads are on an easy grid system, and it's not too hard to get around. If you want to live in the mountains, you'll have to pay more....some people commute from park city or midway (i think that's what it's called). The housing prices are pretty high. Heber is a small town, but it's closer to Provo than SLC - but the prices are more resonable.

It's one of the few areas where you truly have 4 seasons. The winter is great for skiing - dry, light powder - I remember the last time I skied there, there was 4 feet of light powder... :), Summers you have hiking, boating...etc..., Fall and spring are beautiful. The mountains are only a few minutes out of town, and there are a lot of backroads to explore. You can make vegas in about 5 hours from SLC, Denver's not too far away...and Moab is around 2 hours....If you're interested in trying out polygamy, you'd probably want to move to southern utah, near the arizona border...that's where most of them hang out from what I hear. :)

Lastly.... a lot of beautiful women and a lot of silicon.... :) :jump:

[RuggedH2]

Is it true you can have as many wives as you want?

Now that I think about it why would that be a good thing.

It is almost non existent really, but there are some.

I worked a part time job at a bar, kicking out drunks when I first got out of the Marines. There was this good looking cocktail waitress there. She kept introducing me to her "brothers", so I assumed when she had introduced me to about 20 different guys, that she referred to male friends as her brother.

One night after closing, all the employees were sitting around knocking a couple back. The subject came up, and I found out she wasn't kidding. She did have like thirty (no exaggeration) brothers and about 20 sisters.

[H3.007]

WHOAH! Big families, eh?

Yeah - while I am not opposed to carrying a hogleg, I'd rather not live in a warzone. In fact, I'd rather be living in a bunker under a nice quiet mountain somewhere.

I'll kee the real estate search to the north and east - keeping an eye on real estate. It doesn't have to be a mountain, but I would like some land....

I used to work in family court. Too many wives is not a good thing. But I don't think too many girlfriends are a bad thang

:giggling:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

nov , dec , jan lows in the teens and 20's but do get some highs to 50-60 range lately mid 20's for the low and mid 50's for the high . i thought maybe the FEW you were asking about was the # of wives you can have :giggling: ;) you can really rack up the ex's here ;)

DAM, my disability check only goes so far, and you want me to have more XXXXX...

RYD

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

look in Bountiful....

You can buy anything from 150K to 1.5M. More large parcels there, minumum 1/4 acre.....


I used to board my Gelding out there, I really liked it.

OUCH !!!

That hurts.

RYD

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Is it true you can have as many wives as you want?

Now that I think about it why would that be a good thing.

Your lookin for trouble...trust me

RYD

[K9sH3]

Does anyone have real estate guide suggestions

:beerchug:

www.homesandland.com

[H3.007]

Thanks for the updates and words of wisdom :giggling:

If I may, I'd like to ask a more sensitive question. I have now spoken to a couple of folks who used to live out there. They indicated that if you are not of the Mormon faith, you should really stay out of that area. One gave an example of his business being black listed because he was not of the faith. Another stated that hiring services, such as contractors, can be a real nightmare also if you are not of the faith.
Is this true or just stereotyped hype?:popcorn:

While I am not of the faith, I am a big believer in religious freedom. In other words, I don't tread on others unless they tread on me...

[dochummer]

Hype.

Most mormons also believe in religious freedom - ie, that's why they settled the Salt Lake area. You have to understand though, that the religion has a very open proselyting system in place, and they are very eager to share their beliefs. It doesn't give them an excuse however to not be respectful of others. If they are, in fact, black-listing business' because of faith, then they're not practicing what they're preaching.

Like Neo said, there are a lot more non-mormons that live in the area than you would expect. I personally liked living there when I did....more because of the outdoor activities available. Most people were genuinely nice to you....more so than where I live now....



Thanks for the updates and words of wisdom :giggling:

If I may, I'd like to ask a more sensitive question. I have now spoken to a couple of folks who used to live out there. They indicated that if you are not of the Mormon faith, you should really stay out of that area. One gave an example of his business being black listed because he was not of the faith. Another stated that hiring services, such as contractors, can be a real nightmare also if you are not of the faith.
Is this true or just stereotyped hype?:popcorn:

While I am not of the faith, I am a big believer in religious freedom. In other words, I don't tread on others unless they tread on me...

[dochummer]

Oh, and on the flip-side, I've actually heard of people saying they prefer not to come to my office because I'm mormon. - so I guess the door swings both ways......

[SHYANNE]

I would like to live there someday also. I was wandering what big companys are there to work at. Hey NEOCON I noticed you live in moab what kind of work did you find there when you moved there ?

[Steve - SanJose]

Do you ski? Then you will be very happy.

[NEOCON1]

I would like to live there someday also. I was wandering what big companys are there to work at. Hey NEOCON I noticed you live in moab what kind of work did you find there when you moved there ?

hey Shy , i started Rocky Mountain Firewood . during the winter i mostly sell to residents for their homes . but as soon as march rolls around i will be selling bundled wood for the tourists . i have a contact that owns a campground , he got my foot in the door and i just landed one of the two grociery stores in town . its hard work but its all mine :beerchug: im just happy to be out of the ratrace and traffic . i saw ventura county ca. go from rural in my childhood to the massive urban sprawl that is there today and decided it was time to get the heck out of there . too much traffic and too many people .

[RuggedH2]

Thanks for the updates and words of wisdom :giggling:

If I may, I'd like to ask a more sensitive question. I have now spoken to a couple of folks who used to live out there. They indicated that if you are not of the Mormon faith, you should really stay out of that area. One gave an example of his business being black listed because he was not of the faith. Another stated that hiring services, such as contractors, can be a real nightmare also if you are not of the faith.
Is this true or just stereotyped hype?:popcorn:

While I am not of the faith, I am a big believer in religious freedom. In other words, I don't tread on others unless they tread on me...

As far as the Mormons in SLC goes; it is seriously no big deal. Yes they are by far the most predominate religion here. I have many friends that are, and many friends that are not. They don't act very different than anybody else. We are a very conservative red state though, that can be different, here in America.

The biggest thing seems to be, many live what they believe. That can seem strange to people not familiar with those beliefs. For an example, they don't drink alcohol, they don't drink coffee or smoke. They don't cuss very much and they can go to several different meetings a week depending what they do in the church. The Mormon church doesn't have "clergy", the members hold all the positions in the church until you get up to the very top.

If you understand that is what they believe, it's not strange. Most people from outside here, get used to the way it is quickly and even learn the Mormon terminology, in order to understand what they are talking about.

I laughed about the girl question because they are very firm believers in family. One dad, one mom, lots of kids. Girls are raised to be modest both in the way they dress and behave. Many moms here do not work regular jobs, they stay home and raise the kids. They shuttle the kids to sports and school meetings and dance classes. It is kinda like the 50's in that regard. I like it, it's kinda innocent in a way that I preferred for my family. that's why I moved here after growing up in Denver and living in California with the Corps.

SLC has everything every other American city has, you will find whatever you go looking for. It has fantastic outdoor opportunities, and for me it is just the right size. It is big enough to have everything without being big enough to make getting around a pain in the butt.

Chris come on out, I would bet you love it! BUT stop making me tell everybody else! If word really gets out, traffic will get worse and they will learn a term unknown now, "lift lines". During the week here, there is no such thing.

[H3.007]

Thanks again for all of the info.

The Mormans almost sound like they live like the Amish do here. I have a great respect for the Amish. In fact, there are times I wish I could live their life - but I couldn't go without a beer, computer, and the H3. And the hairy women - YIKES. But as far as the Mormons, I think I'll write that off as "hype".

I communicated with a real estate agent this morning and I am awaiting a relocation package from the city.

So, if anyone knows of a real estate parcel that would be conducive to country and somewhat self-sufficent living, drop me a line. I do like my privacy and I wouldn't mind being able to drop a deer with a rifle from the back porch of my new home or to have an H3 trail in the backyard . :beerchug:

[NEOCON1]

! BUT stop making me tell everybody else! If word really gets out, traffic will get worse and they will learn a term unknown now, "lift lines". During the week here, there is no such thing.

X2 LOL yea utah sux stay where your at :p ;)


we gotta keep our lil bit of paradise a secret :beerchug:

[RuggedH2]

You're right Neo!

What does kinda piss me off, are the libs that come out here and love it because it is the way it is.

Then they start trying to change it to be the way it was, where they came from..... the same place they hated and wanted to move away from.

[deserth3]

By the sounds of it, welcome to Utah.

I grew up on the east coast, went to Cali then toured central US compliments of the military. This is where I ended up and stayed. That was 10 years ago.
All of the places that I've lived in have their own quirks as will Utah. The Mormans aren't as rustic as the Amish. You won't see horse drawn buggies, ect. Some Mormans do dress more plain than the rest of us but there are many levels of that and only occasionaly do you see anything close to the Amish style of dress.
There are some Mormans who think they are more devout living in Utah than those Mormans that live outside the state.
Moving to Utah and dealing with Mormans is harder on school age children than adults. But if they are active in school activities the transition will be easier.
If your single, dating out here can be interesting. in other places I've lived the first look you get or give is are you single. Out here it's are you Morman. Morman woman will date you but many are trained to also try to convert you. Of course I've also seen that with other major religions. There are also many woman ( both morman and nonmorman) out here who will start dating someone new before leaving the last person. At least that's been my experiance.
Offroading and the mountains make it all worth while. I live 30 miles North of SLC. 30 to 45 minute drive in any direction and I'm on dirt roads.
I know eastern Penn but not the western area. The mountains out here can seem bare next to Eastern Penn mountains. Also they are not as green. But the transitions and the color of the rocks and sandstone can be just awsome.

Make your realtor earn their pay for you. There are alot of new houses going up out here. Since your working in SLC take a look at Tooelle to the west. East of SLC you are in the mountains and 2 foot plus can be common in the winter and the drive out of the mountains can be rough in the winter. The valley runs north and south which seems where most of the commuters live. But they are putting in commuter trains running about 30 miles north and I believe they are starting to push south too. in the next few years there will also be a lot of land opening on the West side of the valley. This land used to be owned my Kenicot mines. But in the near future will be opened for developement.
OK, for all of you who are tired of reading this dialog, I'll shut up. It's almost time to go to sleep anyway. And sleep is always a good thing.:D

[dochummer]

"There are also many woman ( both morman and nonmorman) out here who will start dating someone new before leaving the last person."

Ha! I remember that! :iagree:

[jp's-h3]

If you love the outdoor life, it's the place to be!:beerchug: