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DRTYFN
02-13-2007, 07:33 AM
I'm sure the lieberal media will be attacking him soon.
President of Czech Republic Calls Man-Made Global Warming a 'Myth' - Questions Gore's Sanity
Mon Feb 12 2007 09:10:09 ET

Czech president Vaclav Klaus has criticized the UN panel on global warming, claiming that it was a political authority without any scientific basis.

In an interview with "Hospodárské noviny", a Czech economics daily, Klaus answered a few questions:

Q: IPCC has released its report and you say that the global warming is a false myth. How did you get this idea, Mr President?•

A: It's not my idea. Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor. It's neither a forum of neutral scientists nor a balanced group of scientists. These people are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one-sided opinion and a one-sided assignment. Also, it's an undignified slapstick that people don't wait for the full report in May 2007 but instead respond, in such a serious way, to the summary for policymakers where all the "but's" are scratched, removed, and replaced by oversimplified theses.• This is clearly such an incredible failure of so many people, from journalists to politicians. If the European Commission is instantly going to buy such a trick, we have another very good reason to think that the countries themselves, not the Commission, should be deciding about similar issues.•

Q: How do you explain that there is no other comparably senior statesman in Europe who would advocate this viewpoint? No one else has such strong opinions...•

A: My opinions about this issue simply are strong. Other top-level politicians do not express their global warming doubts because a whip of political correctness strangles their voice.

• Q: But you're not a climate scientist. Do you have a sufficient knowledge and enough information?•

A: Environmentalism as a metaphysical ideology and as a worldview has absolutely nothing to do with natural sciences or with the climate. Sadly, it has nothing to do with social sciences either. Still, it is becoming fashionable and this fact scares me. The second part of the sentence should be: we also have lots of reports, studies, and books of climatologists whose conclusions are diametrally opposite.• Indeed, I never measure the thickness of ice in Antarctica. I really don't know how to do it and don't plan to learn it. However, as a scientifically oriented person, I know how to read science reports about these questions, for example about ice in Antarctica. I don't have to be a climate scientist myself to read them. And inside the papers I have read, the conclusions we may see in the media simply don't appear. But let me promise you something: this topic troubles me which is why I started to write an article about it last Christmas. The article expanded and became a book. In a couple of months, it will be published. One chapter out of seven will organize my opinions about the climate change.• Environmentalism and green ideology is something very different from climate science. Various findings and screams of scientists are abused by this ideology.•

Q: How do you explain that conservative media are skeptical while the left-wing media view the global warming as a done deal?•

A: It is not quite exactly divided to the left-wingers and right-wingers. Nevertheless it's obvious that environmentalism is a new incarnation of modern leftism.•

Q: If you look at all these things, even if you were right ...•

A: ...I am right...•

Q: Isn't there enough empirical evidence and facts we can see with our eyes that imply that Man is demolishing the planet and himself?•

A: It's such a nonsense that I have probably not heard a bigger nonsense yet.•

Q: Don't you believe that we're ruining our planet?•

A: I will pretend that I haven't heard you. Perhaps only Mr Al Gore may be saying something along these lines: a sane person can't. I don't see any ruining of the planet, I have never seen it, and I don't think that a reasonable and serious person could say such a thing. Look: you represent the economic media so I expect a certain economical erudition from you. My book will answer these questions. For example, we know that there exists a huge correlation between the care we give to the environment on one side and the wealth and technological prowess on the other side. It's clear that the poorer the society is, the more brutally it behaves with respect to Nature, and vice versa.• It's also true that there exist social systems that are damaging Nature - by eliminating private ownership and similar things - much more than the freer societies. These tendencies become important in the long run. They unambiguously imply that today, on February 8th, 2007, Nature is protected uncomparably more than on February 8th ten years ago or fifty years ago or one hundred years ago.• That's why I ask: how can you pronounce the sentence you said? Perhaps if you're unconscious? Or did you mean it as a provocation only? And maybe I am just too naive and I allowed you to provoke me to give you all these answers, am I not? It is more likely that you actually believe what you say.

[English translation from Harvard Professor Lubos Motl]

BlueHUMMERH2
02-13-2007, 04:01 PM
He speaks the truth! :D Lubos Motl (the translator) is one of the prominent scientists on the sane side of this debate.

There is a wealth of information at www.climateaudit.org. Discussions about the junk science, discrepencies, and oddities surrounding the climate nonsense.

CO Hummer
02-13-2007, 04:45 PM
These debates are rather silly. The enviro-nazis presuppose global warming so no amount of proof or theory is going to sway their opinion. It's not even a debate. It's their religion. No one is going to convince them otherwise.

What really cracks me up is when they blame ALL severe weather on "global warming". Seriously, I've heard arguments that the cold, snowy weather in parts of the country is due to "global warming". The absurdity of the argument doesn't phase them since they are arguing from a presupposition.

DennisAJC
02-13-2007, 05:19 PM
Czech-mate?:shhh: :jump::OWNED:

DRTYFN
02-13-2007, 06:23 PM
Mark my words - the global warming scam will make the Y2K thing look like peanuts in comparison. Y2K was a one time thing, while the global warming scam is something the radical left can keep riding for years and years.

CO Hummer
02-13-2007, 06:26 PM
Mark my words - the global warming scam will make the Y2K thing look like peanuts in comparison. Y2K was a one time thing, while the global warming scam is something the radical left can keep riding for years and years.

25 to 30 years from now I will pull up this post and tell everyone
"I TOLD YOU SO".

Thanks.

frenzy1
02-13-2007, 06:30 PM
:iagree: :OWNED: :clapping: :jump: :twak: :fdance: :giggling: :shhh: :D

HummerHippy
02-13-2007, 06:34 PM
Hmm. well my mom told me the Czech pres was a bleedin idiot. :giggling:

The world IS getting warmer. Question is: Why? And since it IS getting warmer, it would be nice to stop the harmful effects of global warming.

ok...run with that... :)

BlueHUMMERH2
02-13-2007, 06:38 PM
What really cracks me up is when they blame ALL severe weather on "global warming". Seriously, I've heard arguments that the cold, snowy weather in parts of the country is due to "global warming". The absurdity of the argument doesn't phase them since they are arguing from a presupposition.

I love that part too. Anthroprogenic Global Warming (AGW) apparently can cause everything and anything, so no matter what's happening, it must be a sign of AGW.... Hmm, sounds perfectly scientific... :giggling:

CO Hummer
02-13-2007, 06:44 PM
I AM getting dumber. Question is: Why? And since I AM getting dumber, it would be nice to stop the harmful effects of personal dumbing.

I don't know what to tell you.

MarineHawk
02-13-2007, 07:06 PM
Hmm. ... The world IS getting warmer. Question is: Why?

Hmmm, maybe it has something to do with the fact that this has been going on for millions of years due to the oscillating cycles of solar output? Or is it Al Gore's private jet and 7 heated swimming pools?

CO Hummer
02-13-2007, 07:09 PM
Sorry friends,

But I have to back out of going to Moab, due to global warming and all........

DennisAJC
02-13-2007, 07:20 PM
Solar output
Natural forest fires
Volcanic activity above and under the ocean
Tectonic plate movements
Earth axis shifts
Alien influence

The earth is doing what it's been doing for hundreds of millions of years.

HummerHippy
02-13-2007, 07:43 PM
I don't know what to tell you.

:) That's actually Funnay!

Let's not forget...
"President of US - Clinton says 'I did not have sexual realtions with that woman.'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/12/98/review_of_98/themes/208715.stm

Kim Jong il denies claims that North Korea is planning on testing a nuclear device

and so on and so on...

Im not the one telling to stop driving a hummer. Bought one myself.

HummerHippy
02-13-2007, 07:46 PM
Hmmm, maybe it has something to do with the fact that this has been going on for millions of years due to the oscillating cycles of solar output? Or is it Al Gore's private jet and 7 heated swimming pools?

Sounds good. So Im choosing to not add to the natural occurring warming by minimizing my CO2 output. Nothing wrong with that. :)

Thanks for the graph.

Now eveyone go out and eat chili!!! Fart I tell ya Fart!!!

(Nurse...my meds please. thx)

MarineHawk
02-13-2007, 07:48 PM
Solar output
Natural forest fires
Volcanic activity above and under the ocean
Tectonic plate movements
Earth axis shifts
Alien influence

The earth is doing what it's been doing for hundreds of millions of years.

You mean like this?:

CO Hummer
02-13-2007, 07:48 PM
Im not the one telling to stop driving a hummer. Bought one myself.

Hey, you wouldn't be the first Hippy to contradict himself! :D

BlueHUMMERH2
02-13-2007, 08:04 PM
Need a graph?
http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Warming_Look.html

I like this one! :clapping:

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/scale1.png
http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/scale1.png

Bah, damn site. It's not linking.

Interesting new theory:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=069cb5b2-7d81-4a8e-825d-56e0f112aeb5&k=0

HummerHippy
02-14-2007, 02:18 PM
Hey, you wouldn't be the first Hippy to contradict himself! :D

:) Actually, I looked around for a long time for a vehicle that fit my needs. HUmmer H3 had the best fuel economy for the 4wd, headroom and cargo cpacity that I needed. So imagine that. Hummer bought for it's better fuel economy!

That, and it just look's damn sweet! :beerchug:

MarineHawk
02-14-2007, 02:24 PM
:) Actually, I looked around for a long time for a vehicle that fit my needs. HUmmer H3 had the best fuel economy for the 4wd, headroom and cargo cpacity that I needed. So imagine that. Hummer bought for it's better fuel economy!

That, and it just look's damn sweet! :beerchug:

Yes, but Al Gore says you should sacrifice other desires and needs to save the planet. Thus, you should have bought an Escape Hybrid and lived with less headroom and cargo - just like Gore took only 272 flights on his private jet last year instead of 273.

wpage
02-14-2007, 02:26 PM
Hmmm, maybe it has something to do with the fact that this has been going on for millions of years due to the oscillating cycles of solar output? Or is it Al Gore's private jet and 7 heated swimming pools?
This is true. In the 30's when it last occured it was enjoyed. Not turned into a political event.
Now an ice age is something that really scares me. Certainly the oil industry would enjoy that! Along with Mr. Gore & Sharpton...

MarineHawk
02-14-2007, 02:29 PM
This is true. In the 30's when it last occured it was enjoyed. Not turned into a political event.
Now an ice age is something that really scares me. Certainly the oil industry would enjoy that! Along with Mr. Gore & Sharpton...

Today's hearing in D.C. on 'warming of the planet' was canceled due to the ice storm.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm)