View Full Version : Here are the Rancho 0" shock specs
HummBebe
02-22-2007, 09:27 PM
Now can someone find a set that will work?
2006 Hummer H3
Front shock IFS
Clevis type bottom mount, Pin type top mount
Compressed length 13.43 Extended length 15.77
2.34 Travel
(would like to add 1.75-2.0 inches of travel to front)
13.43Comp - 17.77 Ext.
Rear Shock Straight Axle/Spring Under
Closed Barpin bottom mount, Loop top mount
Compressed Length 15.25 Extended length 23.49
8.25 Travel
(would like to add 2.5-3.0 inches of travel to rear)
15.25 Comp. - 26.49 Ext.
I have found after market extenders at of all places....Kragen Auto parts, but I would really like to get a longer travel shock.
If anyone else is interested in a longer travel shock, (for those of us who have cranked our t-bars) please chime in so we can show the makers that they would sell some.
Thanks.
Bebe
HummBebe
02-22-2007, 11:18 PM
Fries???
I'm still trying to get more info on the Rod Halls.
All you have to do is call them (Hall Racing). Look up the number on the net and then call Chad Hall. He will personally talk to you and help you out. Very nice guy. Shocks are in stock and cost $225.00 per shock plus shipping. I couldn't swing that and all the other crap I got (getting ready for Moab) so I'll have to wait a bit. Perhaps after I blow a couple stock shocks it won't hurt as much to spend that much on shocks. Haven't had any problems yet, just want a better ride on the wash board roads.
Ok so here is the list.
Old Man Emu/ARB ....no products at this time, in development no def. date of production
Rancho......................;stock or lifted shocks no in between, no plans to improve product
Bilstein......................? (haven't checked, fingers crossed)
Procomp....................H3 owners have mounted these, any reports?
can the H3 be modified easily to fit a standard shock type?
timgco
02-23-2007, 05:11 AM
Are my missing something here?
We have the Rancho 9000's on our truck with the T bars cranked up and no issues. Why are you looking for "longer" shocks. Without lifting your rig, you cannot get much more travel out of it.
Don't think the front is the biggest problem, I could be wrong. Ask the Bebe, she is doing all our quality controll.:beerchug:
Tim, maybe you can take me for a spin in your H3 (if you bring it) when we are in Moab. I have never been a fan of Rancho shocks or suspensions (being nice) and I would have to "see it to believe it". Maybe I should ask them for a 30 day trial.:giggling:
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 06:04 AM
Are my missing something here?
We have the Rancho 9000's on our truck with the T bars cranked up and no issues. Why are you looking for "longer" shocks. Without lifting your rig, you cannot get much more travel out of it.
How high?
I broke one on the Rubicon, one in Moab, one on the Rubicon and one in Moab.....remember the popping sound my truck was making on the trail in CO?
I'm on Rancho 9000 replacement shock #4.....but not to werry....as of tewnight....I have a solution:jump:
But you have tew wait.....:popcorn: I need to find some batteries for my camera:giggling:
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 06:19 AM
PS, that why they are the 0", Rancho will not guarantee them if you crank your torsion bars.
So if you break one, it's another $90.00.
Like timgco said, longer shocks or travel may not gain you anything, depnding on on how the travel is offered. IE: longer body or longer extneded length?
Cranking TBs will cause early shock failure as the suspension will hang on the shock before it hits the control arm stop. The shock extensions correct this and give you back the travel you lost and eliminates basketball bounce effect.
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 06:30 AM
All you have to do is call them (Hall Racing). Look up the number on the net and then call Chad Hall. He will personally talk to you and help you out. Very nice guy. Shocks are in stock and cost $225.00 per shock plus shipping. I couldn't swing that and all the other crap I got (getting ready for Moab) so I'll have to wait a bit. Perhaps after I blow a couple stock shocks it won't hurt as much to spend that much on shocks. Haven't had any problems yet, just want a better ride on the wash board roads.
Ok so here is the list.
Old Man Emu/ARB ....no products at this time, in development no def. date of production
Rancho......................;stock or lifted shocks no in between, no plans to improve product
Bilstein......................? (haven't checked, fingers crossed)
Procomp....................H3 owners have mounted these, any reports?
can the H3 be modified easily to fit a standard shock type?
I'll add to it:
Bilstein - Dealer only, replacement shock.
KYB, Gabriel, Monroe, King....nada.
The big problem is the clevis mount at the base of the front shock.
Rancho, and a couple others make extenders but refuse to sell without the purchase of their lift kit. Nice huh?
So, with a little ingenuity, and some help from the local 4x4 shop, I figured out a way to make extenders...:jump:
I'll post up soon....still looking for those batteries :giggling:
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 08:16 AM
OK, I want your honest opinion on this...
I found these aftermarket extenders online one day....
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/Hummbebe/Shockext0002.jpg
So I took a photo of them to my local 4 wheel drive auto parts store....
They had never seen them before, but were sure if I could locate them...and I found the right size, they would be perfect.
No luck...these are 2" extenders, what I needed, but too small, 3/8-24.
I asked the guy at the store, do you think I could make these with these...
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/Hummbebe/Shockext0004.jpg
these measure the same as the shock pin, 1/2-13.
Here is how I think it can work...
This is my broken-in-half front shock
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/Hummbebe/Shockext0001.jpg
I removed the nut from the top...
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/Hummbebe/Shockext0008.jpg
and screwed the threaded rod into the rod coupling nut then screwed it onto the top of the shock pin
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/Hummbebe/Shockext0007.jpg
All I need to do now is to cut the threaded rod so that it fits properly, re-install the shock.(Not the broken one shared here)
The rod coupling nut is 1 3/4", 1/2" - 13, the threaded rod is 1/2" - 13.
So....thoughts? Shall I proceed with the installation?
This only applies to the front shocks. Rear is a whole different story.
Won't be strong enough Bebe. Find the H3 ones made for the other end of the shock. I have seen them out there. If you are busting shocks, you will won't this setup to be strong to support wheeling.
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 04:10 PM
They will not sell them separately.
So the extension you are thinking of is for the clevis end of the shock?
Yes, that's the one. I have seen them for the H3, but don't know if they will sell them seperately or not.
The guys that did the Truxx front lift have those extenders, how about one of those guys post a pic of the extender and we can figure something out, nice try bebe.:beerchug:
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 08:10 PM
:)
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 08:12 PM
:) :)
stagger_lee
02-23-2007, 09:39 PM
Bilstein has to have something for us. My adjustable Bilstein coils on my audi look exactly like that of course minus the coils. Im callng them. :dancingbanana:
We shouldnt have to be using extenders. Thats BS.
HummBebe
02-23-2007, 09:49 PM
Well I just heard from my rep at the 4 wheel parts shop. He called Bilstien, and they swore up and down that we do not have Bilsteins on our H3's.
He said the shocks are an up graded Monroe shock that they put the Bilstein name on.
How do ya like them apples??
Now I'm pissed.:rant:
Well I just heard from my rep at the 4 wheel parts shop. He called Bilstien, and they swore up and down that we do not have Bilsteins on our H3's.
He said the shocks are an up graded Monroe shock that they put the Bilstein name on.
How do ya like them apples??
Now I'm pissed.:rant:
Is what I said in this thread: http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24900
HummBebe
02-24-2007, 02:50 AM
OK, but you were referring to Rancho, I am referring to the stock OEM "Bilsteins" which are not Bilsteins, according to Bilstein.
timgco
02-24-2007, 05:14 AM
Bebe, I don;t have the truck here now, but I know for a fact that the bumpstops on your are higher thatn our. My guess is double of what ours rides at. The H3 is getting a new....well a few warranty things done. That suck you went through that many shocks. I did check and the Rancho 9000's that I have on there are the "zero height" ones.
That extender pic you posted is the Trux kit? Or is that what your local 4X shop did. When I saw the pic of what you had made from the threaded rod had me concerned on safety. If it were to come loose or break (the longer that rod, the weaker it will be when/ if it is felxed). Extending the other end I think is the safer/ beefier way to go. I like the last pics of that setup. I don;t think we need it on ours, but like I said, i think ours isn;t cranked up that high.
Like Timgco is implying above, the shock extenders may not need be needed for a couple of cranks. In order to take full advantage of the shock extenders, you really need to crank up at least the difference in height that the extenders make. Keep in mind this applies to the inside area where the shocks are located and do not use outer area by flares/wheels for reference.
HummBebe
02-24-2007, 05:08 PM
Bebe, I don;t have the truck here now, but I know for a fact that the bumpstops on your are higher thatn our. My guess is double of what ours rides at. The H3 is getting a new....well a few warranty things done. That suck you went through that many shocks. I did check and the Rancho 9000's that I have on there are the "zero height" ones.
That extender pic you posted is the Trux kit? Or is that what your local 4X shop did. When I saw the pic of what you had made from the threaded rod had me concerned on safety. If it were to come loose or break (the longer that rod, the weaker it will be when/ if it is felxed). Extending the other end I think is the safer/ beefier way to go. I like the last pics of that setup. I don;t think we need it on ours, but like I said, i think ours isn;t cranked up that high.
Yes, thet is the one from the Truxx kit.
I also called ReadyLIFT, who makes a kit for the H3, though it is not on their website yet. They use a a stud extender, vs the clevis extender that Truxx uses.
Some others pointed out to me that I had assembled it incorrectly. One of the bushings needs to be on top of the shock tower. So if I put the hex nut extension on the pin first, thread in the threaded rod, then put the bushings on, then the lock nut, it will be stronger. (I can alway use a couple of nuts at the bottom to support any thread still showing at the base of the pin).
The top of the threaded rod should only be 1/3 inch above the lock nut on the top of the tower. (Having it tack welded or some locktight would keep it all in place?)
The torsion bar lift measures 24 1/4 from the center of the axle to the base of the fender. I am currently sitting at 22 1/4. (Stock RH is 20 3/4) An exact gain of 2 inches.
Tim, thanks for pointing out the bumpstop issue. Are yours stock? I know you had the lift on it, did they change those back to stock when they took it off?
The original measurements show that there is only 2.34 inches of travel in the 0" Rancho. The extender will hopefully prevent the shock from over extending, and if I adjust the bumpstops, that will keep it from bottoming out.
Plus I want to be sure that all the added weight from my H2O goodies doesn't cause any more shock issues, as all 4 of the breaks happened prior to the installation of said goodies.
timgco
02-24-2007, 05:47 PM
Yes, thet is the one from the Truxx kit.
I also called ReadyLIFT, who makes a kit for the H3, though it is not on their website yet. They use a a stud extender, vs the clevis extender that Truxx uses.
Some others pointed out to me that I had assembled it incorrectly. One of the bushings needs to be on top of the shock tower. So if I put the hex nut extension on the pin first, thread in the threaded rod, then put the bushings on, then the lock nut, it will be stronger. (I can alway use a couple of nuts at the bottom to support any thread still showing at the base of the pin).
The top of the threaded rod should only be 1/3 inch above the lock nut on the top of the tower. (Having it tack welded or some locktight would keep it all in place?)
The torsion bar lift measures 24 1/4 from the center of the axle to the base of the fender. I am currently sitting at 22 1/4. (Stock RH is 20 3/4) An exact gain of 2 inches.
Tim, thanks for pointing out the bumpstop issue. Are yours stock? I know you had the lift on it, did they change those back to stock when they took it off?
The original measurements show that there is only 2.34 inches of travel in the 0" Rancho. The extender will hopefully prevent the shock from over extending, and if I adjust the bumpstops, that will keep it from bottoming out.
Plus I want to be sure that all the added weight from my H2O goodies doesn't cause any more shock issues, as all 4 of the breaks happened prior to the installation of said goodies.
Yeah, everything is stock. When we get the truck back, I'll measure everything again.
Dont be concerned about the frame mounted OEM bump stop. OEM and Rancho shocks have internal and external bumpstops in them that protect them either way. The OEM bump is really soft in coparison and does very little compared to the ones in the shocks. Also, there is more travel than listed. The listed travel of those shocks is in between the bump stops of the shocks.
can the H3 be modified easily to fit a standard shock type?
What I mean by this, is could we modify the way the shock attaches at the bottom, so that we could use a more common shock?
Hunner
02-25-2007, 06:57 AM
Sooo is that extender pictured just double the length of the stock clevis as it appears. Looks to me like that would work just fine. Next rainy day I will see about that. Having unbolted the back ones several times to put on skids I can say they are plenty stiff!
Sewie
02-25-2007, 07:17 AM
can the H3 be modified easily to fit a standard shock type?
What I mean by this, is could we modify the way the shock attaches at the bottom, so that we could use a more common shock?
I would think you could get a fab shop to make up something similar to the externders Bebe posted, but with a different type of mount.
MountainBlue
02-26-2007, 05:36 AM
A hardened S.S. stud extender is the easiest way to go to get more length out of the stock shocks. I'm sure someone makes a proper size one with the correct thread size. I doubt ready lift is making their own. I wouldn't try making one out of anything but at least grade 5 hardware. Grade 8 would be ideal, but you'll have a tough time finding the threaded sleeve in that.
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