Hip-Hop is Dead!

[The Green Lantern]

According to Billboard, rap and hip-hop album sales are down by more than 40 percent compared with the year 2000. It's hard to know why the genre is suffering a bigger blow than rock or pop.

Some industry experts say young people are fed up with the violence, degrading imagery and lyrics. Others say the music is just as popular as it ever was, but that fans have found other means to consume the music.



:jump: Cheers to all!!!


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7834732


:perfect10s:

[The Green Lantern]

http://www.jenniferanderson.com/images/champagne.jpg


http://diabetes.sd.gov/images/champagne.jpg

[dеiтайожни]

You ****ing crackas, rap isn't dead. Stronger than ever, bastages just ain't paying for it no mo'. Watch these and say rap sucks, you can't!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGJGem6QUwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-u_QijkXwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjzYf9GEVqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXDoxxlgNG0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhCbXNuS8SI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ac-KlpQE_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON8WZCQX_P8

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

it never lived

[The Green Lantern]

You ****ing crackas, rap isn't dead. Stronger than ever, bastages just ain't paying for it no mo'. Watch these and say rap sucks, you can't!





http://www.fergus-macdonald.com/wp-content/photos/Nas___Front_Cover.jpg


:fdance: :clapping:

[KenP]

it never livedSure it did. They just keep killing each other so there's no one to write the music.

[The Green Lantern]

Sure it did. They just keep killing each other so there's no one to write the music.


LOL :clapping:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Sure it did. They just keep killing each other so there's no one to write the music.

What Music !!!

[dеiтайожни]

http://www.fergus-macdonald.com/wp-content/photos/Nas___Front_Cover.jpg


:fdance: :clapping:

He said that? What a ****.

[dеiтайожни]

Lucky for me I don't like too much of the new stuff so I'm set with all the pre 2004 goodness.

[Steve - SanJose]

Yea but R&B is growing. Maybe that explains recent declines in Hummer sales...

[h2co-pilot]

What Music !!!

:iagree:

[Agriv8r]

hey my dot is red!!! wtf is that about??? oh yeah rap sucks...

[The Green Lantern]

Lucky for me I don't like too much of the new stuff so I'm set with all the pre 2004 goodness.

I don't mind listening old school rap like the 80's. :beerchug:

[Steve - SanJose]

I drive a Hummer, so of course I listen to some rap (and rock, jazz, classical).

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

hey my dot is red!!! wtf is that about??? oh yeah rap sucks...

You must have been a Bad Boy...

better ask the T & A crowd...

[K9sH3]

i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop
the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie
to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat


:fdance:

[MarineHawk]

We need more Charlton Hestons. He took a big swipe at rap music. From a speech he delivered in February 1999 at the Harvard University Law School:


If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does -- does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe.

Don't let America's universities continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new McCarthyism. That's what it is: New McCarthyism. But, what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation?

Well, the answer's been here all along. I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people.

You simply disobey. ... Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that protested a war in Viet Nam.

In that same spirit, I' m asking you to disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue authority, social directives, and onerous laws that weaken personal freedom.
But be careful. It hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk.

A few years ago, I heard about a -- a rapper named Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer," celebrating the ambushing and of murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the country -- in the world. Police across the country were outraged. And rightfully so. At least one of them had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling because the -- the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing around because the rapper was black. I heard Time/Warner had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills, and I owned some shares of Time/Warner at the time, so I decided to attend the meeting.

What I did was against the advice of my family and my colleagues. I asked for the floor. To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer" -- every vicious, vulgar, instructional word:
I got my 12-Gauge sawed-off. I got my headlights turned off. I'm about to bust some shots off. I'm about to dust some cops off.
It got worse, a lot worse. Now, I won't read the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, frozen, blanched faces. Time/Warner executives squirmed in their chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that. Then I delivered another volley of sick lyrics brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing the two 12-year-old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore:
She pushed her butt against my --
No. No, I won't do to you here what I did to them. Let's just say I left the room in stunned silence. When I read the lyrics to the waiting press corps outside, one of them said, "We can't print that, you know." "I know," I said, "but Time/Warner is still selling it."

Two months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T's contract. I'll never be offered another film by Warner Brothers, or get a good review from Time magazine. But disobedience means you have to be willing to act, not just talk.

When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending herself, jam the switchboard of the district attorney's office. When your university is pressured -- your university -- is pressured to lower standards until 80% of the students graduate with honors, choke the halls of the Board of Regents. When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl's cheek on the playground and then gets hauled into court for sexual harassment, march on that school and block its doorways. When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you -- petition them, oust them, banish them. When Time magazine's cover portrays millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it did last month, boycott their magazine and the products it advertises.

So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobediences of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God's grace, built this country.

If Dr. King were here, I think he would agree.

I thank you.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/charltonhestonculturalwar.htm

[dеiтайожни]

Everyone always brings up Cop Killer, :lame:! Who cares, it's a song.

There are so many movies out that promote illegal activities, but nobody cares. IMO they are more influential than music.

[MarineHawk]

Everyone always brings up Cop Killer, :lame:! Who cares, it's a song.

There are so many movies out that promote illegal activities, but nobody cares. IMO they are more influential than music.

I see your point on its face, but if you look a little deeper you might see a difference.
Rap stars attempt to personify their lyrics into their image. Actors who play murderers don?t do so nearly to the same degree. That?s why countless rap musicians are killed by other gangstas or imprisoned for violent crimes. Not so much Jack Nicholson (who has played a murderer in movies). Though Darth Vader was a bad guy, James Earl Jones was not going out and shooting other actors while hopped up on crack. It?s a totally different culture. If you turn on MTV?s violent rap crap, you see that those guys are trying to convey that they really are cool, fancy violent people who kill at will. While Kaiser Soze was pretty brutal in ?The Usual Suspects,? I doubt many people in an alley are as afraid of Kevin Spacey as they are the gangsta rappers, who really try to act the part of the brutal murderous man who can kill at will. It?s a different message. One is fiction. The other really attempts to convey reality. If you don?t get that, then too bad.

[dеiтайожни]

I don't agree with that. Rappers attempt to convey themselves as murderers, drug dealers, etc.. in their work, the same as actors. If you think rappers with their $100M record deals are out on the streets selling crack to earn a couple thousand a week, you're crazy. They are exactly the same as other celebrities, ever watch cribs, reality shows, and so on? If someone isn't going to be afraid of running into Kevin Spacey in a dark alley but is going to fear for their life if they see Lil Wayne... it's probably going to be because he's black. Would they be scared if it was Eminem in that alley?

True, James Earl Jones isn't shooting actors but rappers aren't shooting rappers either that I'm aware of. They feud like any other people. There aren't countless rappers that have been killed by psychotic fans and they aren't the only ones with stalkers, obsessed fans and so on, actors have them too. They also don't goto prison more that I'm aware of. It's just more publicized, because people want to hear those things to confirm that rap is indeed the downfall of the civilized world.

[The ArchiTexan]

Rappers portray the lowest element of society. They draw the youth into their world of rebellion because the youth are prime to rebel against society. They don’t know history. They don’t know how hard anyone worked to finally get things set a certain way, they only know they don’t like that way and want to change it. The Rappers are the leaders of this rebellion with their pimps, ho’s, bling and pompous attitudes. Young Mexicans, Asians, and Whites have left the culture of their parents and become Black. Everyone wants to be Black because it represents rebellion and easy money. Nobody wants to be Colin Powell, or Martin Lurther King. They are too old school. They all want to be gangstas. Yes, I would be afraid to run into M&M or whatever his loser name is. He is a worthless thug just like the rest of them. They had their moment in the sun, or the dark, ugly side of whatever it is they are proposing. It is time to take back the culture and return it to values of respect, ethnic loyalty, high morals and standards and, above all, education and hard work. I hope Rap is dead. It was the most worthless, low, sexist, violent form of “entertainment” ever conceived on this planet. I am astounded that it was allowed to flourish in the first place, but it did because of violent outbursts crying racism and discrimination in the music industry. Well, they got their way, and look at what happened. Disgusting, vile, abominable images of degradation and immorality. I watched those horrific videos on youtube and was offended by the very sight. If it isn’t dead, the citizens of the USA should rise up and KILL IT!

....Flame away!!!:excited:


:dancingbanana:

[Steve - SanJose]

Whatever sells, it's a free country, rap music, country music, cheap wine to derilect winos, cheap crappy packaged food to herion addicts, 20% interst credit cards for the porrest people, etc. etc.

[frenzy1]

RAP IS CRAP !

[frenzy1]

I like country music
I love country girls
I like Willie Nelson
and don't forget about Merle

There's only one thing that I hate
Cuz it's a bunch of crap
I, I, I hate rap

I like NASCAR racing
Richard Petty's still the king
Yeah, they call me a redneck
But you know, that's a beautiful thing!

There's only one thing that I hate
Cuz it's a bunch of crap
I, I, I hate rap

There's only one thing that I hate
Cuz it's a bunch of crap
I, I, I hate rap

Raaaaaaap is crap
Raaaaaaap is crap

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

[quote=frenzy1]I like country music
I love country girls
I like Willie Nelson
and don't forget about Merle

There's only one thing that I hate
Cuz it's a bunch of crap
I, I, I hate rap

I like NASCAR racing
Richard Petty's still the king
Yeah, they call me a redneck
But you know, that's a beautiful thing!

There's only one thing that I hate
Cuz it's a bunch of crap
I, I, I hate rap

There's only one thing that I hate
Cuz it's a bunch of crap
I, I, I hate rap

I like Waylon Jennings plus all the female chit kicken musicians.

and

DOOly Partons

Raaaaaaap is crap
Raaaaaaap is crap

[h2co-pilot]

Rap is crap!:clapping: LOL:D

I see your point on its face, but if you look a little deeper you might see a difference.
Rap stars attempt to personify their lyrics into their image. Actors who play murderers don?t do so nearly to the same degree. That?s why countless rap musicians are killed by other gangstas or imprisoned for violent crimes. Not so much Jack Nicholson (who has played a murderer in movies). Though Darth Vader was a bad guy, James Earl Jones was not going out and shooting other actors while hopped up on crack. It?s a totally different culture. If you turn on MTV?s violent rap crap, you see that those guys are trying to convey that they really are cool, fancy violent people who kill at will. While Kaiser Soze was pretty brutal in ?The Usual Suspects,? I doubt many people in an alley are as afraid of Kevin Spacey as they are the gangsta rappers, who really try to act the part of the brutal murderous man who can kill at will. It?s a different message. One is fiction. The other really attempts to convey reality. If you don?t get that, then too bad.

Well said, very well said. And anyone who references Kaiser Soze just gets a gold star with glitter on it.

Also well said to the Architexan.

I have mentioned before my distaste for the culture.

Punk and Rap would be an equivilant debate.

Rap rose along with Punk, black kids and white kids rebelling for no good reason just as generations before, and though the Circle Jerks, JFA, Agent Orange aren't around (may be around, I dunno) Pennywise, Rage and lots of other anti-establishment/punk/skate/surf are. The rebellion remains but hasn't evolved into the wide-open violence, sexual and personal discrimination, frivolity and overall self demeaning nature that gangsta rap culture has.

Kids need something to identify with.

I think it is indeed the portraits they paint outside of the studio. They think of Cribs as a marketing tool too. If they are shown to be the Cosby's then everyone will think they are traitors for some reason. They are not legit or they are banishing the ghetto.

So they glam it up with grills and the talk (the culture). I guarantee that if they had a KISS house on cribs and the camera showed the group sitting in a dungeon with full-on face paint you would LYOA!

Same thing, I laugh my azz off and watch them walk and talk like uneducated idiots- and kids and older identity seekers look up to them. It's sad.

Marilyn Manson is guilty of the same thing, but the worst his fans will face is a huge crater of a piercing hole in a facial part, not felonies and criminal records, though some attribute his music to Columbine. His stuff and that culture is more self demeaning but still a rebellion.

[dеiтайожни]

The closest any of you have probably came to listening to rap is your middle aged co-worker's imitation of Rappers Delight.

You're implying that without rap there wouldn't be any gangsters. Just because gangsters and the like are out committing crimes, you seem to be blaming it on rap, only because rap in very few cases talks about it... but so does the news. I'm sure the number of people that put on Cop Killer decide to go out and murder a cop simply because they heard it in a song is zero.

As for the Cribs and banishing the ghetto... have you seen it? There aren't very many multi-million dollar homes in the ghetto, if that's not banishing the ghetto then what is? And lmao @ glamming it up with grills and the talk, that's hard core murderer **** right there. So they should be required to wear suits at all times and not talk like themselves?

Please, somebody go through the youtube list I posted and tell me exactly what's offensive, which parts make you want to go murder somebody or do all this other bad stuff you are referring to. Everyone always says they hate rap, but their only reason is because they don't like the sound of it, they aren't even singing, boo hoo. Yet they are so defensive about it they make up all this other nonsense to blame it for. There were gangsters and crime before rap you know..

[h2co-pilot]

The closest any of you have probably came to listening to rap is your middle aged co-worker's imitation of Rappers Delight. I grew up with Gin n Juice, B.B., Ice Cube, Dre., Puffy, B.I.G etc.

You're implying that without rap there wouldn't be any gangsters. No, but that lifestyle is marketed by them. Just because gangsters and the like are out committing crimes, you seem to be blaming it on rap, only because rap in very few cases talks about it... but so does the news. I rarely see young kids dressing like Koppel and Jennings. The news doesn't glamourize it. I'm sure the number of people that put on Cop Killer decide to go out and murder a cop simply because they heard it in a song is zero. Are you positively sure about that though?

As for the Cribs and banishing the ghetto... have you seen it? There aren't very many multi-million dollar homes in the ghetto, if that's not banishing the ghetto then what is? No, but I have heard of several rap "artists" that refuse to leave their old "ghetto" neighborhoods because they would be selling out. I can look it up for you if you want. I guess you can tak ethe rapper out of the ghetto but not the ghetto out of the rapper? Did Gwen Paltrow go out and by six cars after her first movie or was it Patrick Dempsey? (:giggling:) Frivolity my friend.And lmao @ glamming it up with grills and the talk, that's hard core murderer **** right there. Most of them probably aren't, so why rap about it and act like it? So they should be required to wear suits at all times and not talk like themselves? P. Diddy wears suits. English would suffice, especially when you are a role model.

Please, somebody go through the youtube list I posted and tell me exactly what's offensive, which parts make you want to go murder somebody or do all this other bad stuff you are referring to. It's not me I'm worried about, it's the easily impressionable. Everyone always says they hate rap, but their only reason is because they don't like the sound of it, My and many others reason isn't the sound, it's the culture and words they chant over and over to the said impressionable. The lifestyle that is encompassed as glamorous. they aren't even singing, boo hoo. Yet they are so defensive about it they make up all this other nonsense to blame it for. There were gangsters and crime before rap you know..

There is no doubt among many that the "hip hop/rap" culture is detrimental many upon many have discussed it at length and deemed so many times before.

http://www.freshhiphopnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Game_1.jpg

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/special/photo/hiphop/8.jpg

http://a427.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/17/l_90276a63a819462404ce5b59086498ba.jpg

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s82078.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000675KH0.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

http://www.goldmic.com/images/pic-57415.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/zlephf.jpg http://www.toadking.com/6x9=42/gangsta.jpg

[h2co-pilot]

From crap like that we get this:

http://www.buttlesschaps.com/pictures/gangsta.jpg

[The ArchiTexan]

Oh, come on, fellow citizens! We have all heard rap, the REAL rap, can?t escape it. Every loud obnoxious car sitting next to us at the stop light blaring the filthy lyrics so that even with our windows rolled up we can still hear the morally-base intent. It won the Academy Award for cryin? out loud. And, most of us have heard Tupac, and everyone singing his praises.

The problem isn?t that crime and gangster ways were around before. The problem is in glorifying it and making it a legitimate ?art form.? And, bringing the ghetto to million dollar neighborhoods is just lowering the quality of the hood. Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to conform to the values of the rich. Snobbery means keeping the lowlifes out, not letting them in, with their diamond teeth and their gaudy d?cor. So, yes they should be required to wear suits and not be themselves. Prejudice ignites when the differences of people are so glaring that it makes you run. The problem of individualism, in this nation in particular, is that it emphasizes the separation of class and standards. If someone has worked hard all their life to acquire a fortune, conformed to the standard, and made the choice to live a ?quality? life, then why should they have to live next to trash? Just because they have money? Used to be, the trash lived on the other side of town, and if and when those individuals educated themselves and progress far enough up the ladder they were welcomed and accepted as part of the upperwardly mobile. Now, all you need is money to live in those mansions, and some of the gawd awful people who have money now should be shot! There, that is one aspect of rap that makes people want to run out and murder others.

I have gone through your list and what I find offensive is the lack of respect for women, treating them as object simply for sex (there is never an intelligent looking woman relating to any of the men, she is just there for their pleasure), the sloppiness of their ?costumes,? which reinforce the laziness and slovenliness of the poor enabling them to think they can get by dressed like that and be accepted by the mainstream or even bypass it, and the stereotypical antics and gestures of the black performers which reinforce the images in bigoted and prejudice individual?s minds who now get to say, ?See! See how they jump around and act!? These antics have filtered down into the White, Asian, Latino and young Black youth?s everyday behavior. A guy just casually walking down the street nowadays is swaying and jerking so much that he looks like an idiot! You can spot the influence in any young person who has succumbed. It is NOT a positive influence.


:)

[dеiтайожни]

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them... how dare they.

[Steve - SanJose]

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them... how dare they.


I agree, sounds like the hysteria with Elvis, Beetles, mary jane, etc. Nothing wrong with money, we in Silicon Valley like to take it to the max when it comes to money.

Face it, the Hummer brand is equal parts pop culture and offroad ability. Nothing like it. Ooops, that's too on-topic.

[The ArchiTexan]

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young back man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

[h2co-pilot]

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest. Same goes for everyone else I know that listens to it. Have you ever stopped and thought perhaps it isn't the music, that's just how some people are?

Fads go in and out, kids are wearing baggy pants and jewelery now that look ridiculous. So what? It's the thing to do, the problem is not with rap... it's with the kids that won't accept them if they wear dress pants and plaid vests. Are you telling me people have never dressed poorly over the years as a result of a pop singer, rocker or actor? Anyone remember the 80s?

All this nonsense reminds me of what your parents thought of rock & roll. Different genre, different generation, same issues. Something has to be responsible for everybody. People can't just be plain crazy or dumb these days.

What's with all the money comments? Is it so evil that someone who gets a $1M advance to express their art buy 6 cars and a mansion? Nice looking out for rich folk Archi. Those rappers come to our neighborhood with their sinister looking teeth and live in peace (You want to see a pic of Teddy Riley's house? He lives down the road, Ill snap one. Unkempt and sh1tty.:D) but it just makes me so angry that they had a talent and an idea and were able to make it out of the ghetto. Makes me just want to shoot them in the face, everyone of them...(see your violent tendancies?;)) how dare they.

I don't know you Dei or your friends, but if your balsting that crap I would laugh at you too. And why do you think you are so much younger than some of us? Rap was born before I was.

But I can't see how you can deny what this culture is doing to urban American youth. And yes, I believe it is from the music.

If not from rap- where did the culture come from? How did it come to suburbia?

Sure, some rap artists are positive but at least 75% are not.

It presents the notion that the only way to get out of their situation or to have wealth is by illegal activity. Illegal activity that is not only detrimental to the individual but perpetuates throughout the community. It also perpetuates a psychology of victimization- that is not conducive to socio-economic progress.

(BTW- I checked out your videos. Tell me where guys that look land act like that could work/would be employed to afford those vehicles and stuff!! I'll tell you- no where.

Where are the kids that dress like and act like that going to work- maybe fast food, maybe- hence the detriment and downfall of an already struggling community.

(Not to mention that that legit McDonalds paycheck may go to a set of rims for that dinged up '89 Ford Taurus or $200 tennis shoes rather than to something worthy. This is where the overly tacky show of money-which most of the time ends up in bankruptcy- comes into play.) )


The poor treatment of women mantra'd over and over for example: How is a young black woman going to flourish and respect herself if the neighborhood boys call her a ho and she hears it consistantly on the radio? She has to rely on her mother to tell her she is worthy- and it goes on. I hope you are not blind to this problem as well.

Yes, I think I wore leggings under a skirt a la Madonna in the 4th grade.:rolleyes:

However, if people that were shooting guns, dealing drugs etc.(or perceived in that way) were wearing leggings under skirts; I'm sure my mother wouldn't have allowed me to wear it and be discriminated as such- especially if discrimination was a problem to begin with, but how can you blame those that discriminate- that goes on as well.

Adults have always been prude to the next generations music but this has lasted for decades and the gangsta crap for at least 12 or more years and the violence and discrimination glory it justifies continues to get worse- as long as people support it.

The decline in sales hopefully means that this too- will pass.

I believe in artistic expression, free speech and all that. But I don't support things I don't believe in. And in this case- until they are 18, my children don't have the right to "free listen".

P.S.- You are defending the boys wearing make-up (like "Poison"), too much hairspray and the flourescent green leggings right now.:fdance: :giggling:

[MarineHawk]

Still not buying that hip-hop is responsible for a detrimental culture. I've been listening to it for 10 years and I don't have a criminal record. I don't dress like them or act them and I don't talk like them except maybe in jest.

Here's what your missing: A certain 12% racial segment of our population commits 57% of the murders in this country annually. Why? More than 50% of the inner-city black kids in this country have no father. That's why such a large percentage of black people are poor and without hope IMO. I've seen studies where blacks who grow up in a traditional family make as much as comparable whites (I'd be able to be a Professor at Yale if I was black). Without fathers, these inner city kids are crying out for male role models. Yet the inner city is dominated by the gansta culture, which is facilitated by gansta rap. Deit may not be affected by it. But the tens of thousands of fatherless black boys in Detroit will be.

Whitlock said a lot of this very well, and he's a black guy from the inner city: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4&mode=related&search=)

[h2co-pilot]

Here's what your missing: A certain 12% racial segment of our population commits 57% of the murders in this country annually. Why? More than 50% of the inner-city black kids in this country have no father. That's why such a large percentage of black people are poor and without hope IMO. I've seen studies where blacks who grow up in a traditional family make as much as comparable whites (I'd be able to be a Professor at Yale if I was black). Without fathers, these inner city kids are crying out for male role models. Yet the inner city is dominated by the gansta culture, which is facilitated by gansta rap. Deit may not be affected by it. But the tens of thousands of fatherless black boys in Detroit will be.

Whitlock said a lot of this very well, and he's a black guy from the inner city: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZQXaXmCW4&mode=related&search=)

Yea, It's all those black bastards.:jump: LOL

I couldn't help myself. :fdance:

Again, MH summed it up well.:D Well explained.:)

[dеiтайожни]

Bet you weren't expecting this... but I still don't agree. :D

Ok, lots of fatherless black kids. They look for role models in gangs. How are these gangs facilitated by rap again? Are you implying that if rap goes away, so do all the gangs? You guys don't listen to rap, so I can't blame you for not knowing anything about it. Luckily you know someone who does and I'll tell you about 97% of rap is simply about luxuries like vehicles, houses, clothes, etc. It's called escapism for those with no means and little hope.

You guys know which rap songs? Cop Killer? and the 3 other the media has put it's spotlight on in the past 12 years?

It's my opinion that you are giving rap too much credit for the downfall of society. You believe rap influences gangs when it's the other way around. Rappers are artists, entertainers and businessmen, they have a target audience. Which means the gang came before the gangsta rap.

You all must be in some fantasy world if banning rap = every black kid without a father will suddenly be good, goto school and become a doctor. Besides fads with material objects, little would change if we had no rap. But if you feel qualified in knowing rap enough to continue the debate, please. I've had this conversation about 200 times, it usually ends with the protester says rap is crap, period, end. Followed by a parody of what an old white guy would look like doing an over exaggerated demonstration of a rap.

CP -- I never mentioned age. I only made references (which you got) that any 25 year old would know first-hand. Oh, and let's see that Madonna look! :dancingbanana:

[ssgharkness020147]

Wow. Lots of passion on this topic people. :) FWIW. I hate the culture. Lets take going to the bars... There is one bar in my area that I (grudegingly) go to once and a while. Its supposed to be a "club", but its just in the basement of a crappy building. All you hear is that rap **** in there, problem number on for me.

Then there are the people, oh the ****ing people in that **** hole. Every white kid in there with his hat cocked sideways trying to look "tuff", the ones that walk by me and bump in to me as I am standing still. When I look down at eminems long lost 5'5 155lb brother, he says "what the **** is your problem"? Well... Lets see shady... I'm just standing here minding my own ****ing business when your little punk ass comes walking in to me, then you have the nerve to make it out to be my fault in the most disrespectful way possible. THATS my "****ing problem". Learn some ****ing respect you little ****. I rarely have problems with people, if I bump in to you I'll apologize to you for it, and I expect the same in return. Then of course you get the inner city trash that comes in there too. Nope. I'm not even gonna start up on that subject. **** that place. **** those people. **** rap.

[h2co-pilot]

CP -- I never mentioned age. I only made references (which you got) that any 25 year old would know first-hand. Oh, and let's see that Madonna look! :dancingbanana:

Well, put on your grill and come over here.:jump:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Can those of you that like or favor rap explain its positive points. Don't do it in SOAPBOX fashion just use plane old english.

[dеiтайожни]

Well, put on your grill and come over here.:jump:

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[KenP]

use plane old english.It's PLAIN.:giggling:

Here's my .02, but I want change.

A rapper has a hit and makes tons of money. Now the rapper is no longer part of the victimized population he's been rapping about and supposedly from, he's part of the priviledged class. In order to retain his acceptance in the "crowd", he debases himself by becoming mysoginistic and violent in his lyrics continuing a downward spiral originated by his predecessors.

The more money the rapper makes, the more outlandish he must become. Soon he's a gun toting, drug using, woman abusing thug wannabe. Guns become part of this subculture, as are faceless and emotionless barely clad women, constantly gyrating, inviting men to use and abuse them.

What's sad, is the number of black leaders who don't condemn this behavior because it puts black faces on TV and their voices on the radio. Nevermind the consequences of their followers faces in mug shots.

[dеiтайожни]

That doesn't make much sense. You are saying a person can only speak about their current situation. They are entertainers, like actors who may portray people they aren't, ever have been or ever will be. So after a rapper gets their first hit and is a multimillionaire.. they have to start rapping about their new situation? I'm sure they would be popular rapping about the downsides of fame and how long it takes to vacuum an 18,000 sq ft house.

The more money a rapper makes the more attention they get, obviously you aren't going to hear about every new rapper's affairs until they do something worthy of air time.

Again, I don't know what you guys think your qualifications to make these claims are. You have no idea what rap entails besides the 4 songs that the media tells you are bad. You aren't making decisions for yourselves, you are doing as you are told.

[MarineHawk]

That doesn't make much sense. You are saying a person can only speak about their current situation. They are entertainers, like actors who may portray people they aren't, ever have been or ever will be.

It's a nice argument, but one that defies reality. When people see these rap videos on MTV or BET or whatever (I've seen plenty), it seems like these guys are acting like what they really are (in a perhaps exaggerated manner). That's the message they are trying to convey. It's obvious. They are trying to act like they really are violent, anti-establishment, warlord thugs. It increases their revenue and plays to their basest instincts. When Kurt Russell played Snake Plissken or when Peter O'Toole played the murderous Henry II, no one ever thought that O'Toole and Russell were murderers. The rap stars WANT their audience to think they're killers - not so much Russell anbd O'Toole. And the rapper gangstas achive a fair degree of success in that endeavor. That's the difference. You can deny it all you want, but I bet that most people get this intuitively.

[Steve - SanJose]

Music is only music. I listen to rap, jazz, rock, classical too. And last night I saw Madame Butterfly performed by the San Jose Opera at the fully restored California 1920's theater downtown.

[The ArchiTexan]

Dei, granted, you are an arguer, but your argument is weak. From what I read the anti-rappers win. Your arguments for the positive side not only fall short, but there is no support, facts, or documentation from any ?highly regarded? expert, other than yourself. Most all of us who are for rap?s demise could come up with any number of authoritative citations about the dangerous and detrimental affects of rap on the general culture at large. So continue with your stubborn, narrow minded, blinded opinions. It is useless arguing with youth because you know everything and regard any information contrary to your views as worthless and antiquated.

[dеiтайожни]

It's a nice argument, but one that defies reality. When people see these rap videos on MTV or BET or whatever (I've seen plenty), it seems like these guys are acting like what they really are Depp acted like he really was George Jung in Blow (in a perhaps exaggerated manner). That's the message they are trying to convey. It's obvious. They are trying to act like they really are violent, anti-establishment, warlord thugs. It increases their revenue and plays to their basest instincts. When Kurt Russell played Snake Plissken or when Peter O'Toole played the murderous Henry II, no one ever thought that O'Toole and Russell were murderers. The rap stars WANT their audience to think they're killers Actors WANT their audience to think they're what their characters are, too. It wouldn't be too real if Al Pacino acted like Viktor Taransky from Simone while playing Tony Montana in Scarface.- not so much Russell anbd O'Toole. And the rapper gangstas achive a fair degree of success in that endeavor. Bad actors don't make money either, incentive to be good. That's the difference. You can deny it all you want, but I bet that most people get this intuitively.

The difference is, rappers' characters are based on themselves, they market themselves whereas Al Pacino will market Tony Montana, Michael Corleone and Sonny. For rappers, it is what they will always be, they didn't take Kurt Russell and think up an entire fictional movie based around him, it was the opposite. And it's not going to be his character for life, he can go from Escape from New York to Captain Ron freely. P. Diddy can't just switch genres and go be Christina Aguilera for a day.

[dеiтайожни]

Dei, granted, you are an arguer, but your argument is weak. From what I read the anti-rappers win. Your arguments for the positive side not only fall short, but there is no support, facts, or documentation from any ?highly regarded? expert, other than yourself. Most all of us who are for rap?s demise could come up with any number of authoritative citations about the dangerous and detrimental affects of rap on the general culture at large. So continue with your stubborn, narrow minded, blinded opinions. It is useless arguing with youth because you know everything and regard any information contrary to your views as worthless and antiquated.

I'm shocked, you've been against this the entire time and now you are taking a stand and saying I'm wrong. Listening to you about what rap is, is about as brilliant as asking a 4 year old for retirement planning advice.

You can state that there is violence in the world but I'm telling you it's not because of rap. Go ahead, get rid of rap for a few years. I'm willing to do that to prove to you that violence and the like will still be around without it.

[The ArchiTexan]

Nobody said that getting rid of rap would end violence or crime. Violence and crime will always be with us. Killing rap will end part of the glorification. There is no need to glorify the disgusting, the ugly, or the violent. These are all hallmarks of rap. Although youth must rebel, why is it they mostly choose the most unattractive path. Rarely do youth rebel against their parents or society by surpassing them or making the world more beautiful. Youth have the knack of lowering the standards set by their predecessors. You could be proud to say that you’re definitely part of the ugly mob.

[dеiтайожни]

It is useless arguing with youth because you know everything and regard any information contrary to your views as worthless and antiquated.

Playing the age card, huh? Do I take it you are out of the debate then? You really didn't have much to offer anyhow. How old does one have to be before their opinions and views will matter? At what age will you become a push-over and give into the opinion of a majority? As CP mentioned, I'm not much younger than the rest of you.

[The ArchiTexan]

Silly boy, it's time for your nap. You'll know all about the world when you grow up....goodnight.

[dеiтайожни]

Nobody said that getting rid of rap would end violence or crime. Violence and crime will always be with us. Killing rap will end part of the glorification. There is no need to glorify the disgusting, the ugly, or the violent. These are all hallmarks of rap. Although youth must rebel, why is it they mostly choose the most unattractive path. Rarely do youth rebel against their parents or society by surpassing them or making the world more beautiful. Youth have the knack of lowering the standards set by their predecessors. You could be proud to say that you?re definitely part of the ugly mob.

And I'm telling you that rap isn't what you are saying it is. I'm certainly more of an expert on it than you are, as you don't even listen to it. Give me 1 song that glorifies violence and crime and I'll give you 10 that don't. How many people my age do you converse with on a daily basis? How long has it been since you were in high school or college? I think I have a little better idea of what the actual effect of rap is on the people you are worried about than you do.

[dеiтайожни]

Silly boy, it's time for your nap. You'll know all about the world when you grow up....goodnight.

Nice playing with you. Bye.

[The Green Lantern]

BTT


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[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

That doesn't make much sense. You are saying a person can only speak about their current situation. They are entertainers, like actors who may portray people they aren't, ever have been or ever will be. So after a rapper gets their first hit and is a multimillionaire.. they have to start rapping about their new situation? I'm sure they would be popular rapping about the downsides of fame and how long it takes to vacuum an 18,000 sq ft house.

The more money a rapper makes the more attention they get, obviously you aren't going to hear about every new rapper's affairs until they do something worthy of air time.

Again, I don't know what you guys think your qualifications to make these claims are. You have no idea what rap entails besides the 4 songs that the media tells you are bad. You aren't making decisions for yourselves, you are doing as you are told.

Hold on there youngster !!!!!!

No ONE and I mean NO ONE tells me what to like and dislike...

I make my own decisions and I have listened to rap and yes there is some that doesn't talk about killing the man(police) and some that doesn't talk about doin it to someones daughter...

BUT the stuff that gets played over and over, more then not is the stuff thats promotes crime, violence, sex, drugs and death...

I'm 60 and everyday I learn something new, the same way YOUNG kids, teens, 18 & 19 year olds AND Younger Adults do. The younger you are the more influenced you are by your peers and heros. ALL generations before us had there rebels but none of them DEGRADED WOMEN & society the way rap does...

Luckily GOTH never made it big but it still isn't on the same level as rap. Sorry a lot of rap is CRAP.......................

[Steve - SanJose]

A lot of music is crap. And the crap I avoid. Nobody is going to tell me what to (or not to) listen to. This is American and money talks.

Sweeping statements about one type of music or another don't mean squat. I'll do whatever the f*ck I want.

[Steve - SanJose]

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young back man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

I'm part of the solution, we are pioneers here in Silicon Valley, creators of technology, wealth, hope in a international business environment. Here in this valley is the largest collection of highly educated and intelligent people in the world. Sheez, you should know better.

So I like Luda, Fergie, Chamillionaire music occassionally,wtf.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Long live Gary Coleman

[KenP]

Long live Gary ColemanDidn't see this coming, did ya?:giggling:

[The Green Lantern]

Hold on there youngster !!!!!!

No ONE and I mean NO ONE tells me what to like and dislike...

I make my own decisions and I have listened to rap and yes there is some that doesn't talk about killing the man(police) and some that doesn't talk about doin it to someones daughter...

BUT the stuff that gets played over and over, more then not is the stuff thats promotes crime, violence, sex, drugs and death...

I'm 60 and everyday I learn something new, the same way YOUNG kids, teens, 18 & 19 year olds AND Younger Adults do. The younger you are the more influenced you are by your peers and heros. ALL generations before us had there rebels but none of them DEGRADED WOMEN & society the way rap does...

Luckily GOTH never made it big but it still isn't on the same level as rap. Sorry a lot of rap is CRAP.......................


Amen

Too much blue! :giggling:

[dеiтайожни]

I'm part of the solution, we are pioneers here in Silicon Valley, creators of technology, wealth, hope in a international business environment. Here in this valley is the largest collection of highly educated and intelligent people in the world. Sheez, you should know better.

So I like Luda, Fergie, Chamillionaire music occassionally,wtf.

You're the exception then, just like me. Everyone is the exception except for the the small group of people who are statistically prone to committing crimes regardless. Whether they like rap or are just stereotyped as liking it.

[h2co-pilot]

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http://www.partydomain.co.uk/d-commerce/media/FancyDress/Fuller/R5021---80's-Pop-Star.jpg

[h2co-pilot]

OKay here is an interesting article from Friday (bitches :D):


Friday, March 09, 2007

Has rap music hit a wall?


March 5, 2007

NEW YORK (Associated Press) -- Maybe it was the umpteenth coke-dealing anthem or soft-porn music video. Perhaps it was the preening antics that some call reminiscent of Stepin Fetchit.

The turning point is hard to pinpoint. But after 30 years of growing popularity, rap music is now struggling with an alarming sales decline and growing criticism from within about the culture's negative effect on society.

Rap insider Chuck Creekmur, who runs the leading Web site Allhiphop.com, says he got a message from a friend recently "asking me to hook her up with some Red Hot Chili Peppers because she said she's through with rap. A lot of people are sick of rap ... the negativity is just over the top now." (Watch how hip-hop can revel in stereotypes -- or highlight injusticeVideo)

The rapper Nas, considered one of the greats, challenged the condition of the art form when he titled his latest album "Hip-Hop is Dead." It's at least ailing, according to recent statistics: Though music sales are down overall, rap sales slid a whopping 21 percent from 2005 to 2006, and for the first time in 12 years no rap album was among the top 10 sellers of the year.

A recent study by the Black Youth Project showed a majority of youth think rap has too many violent images. In a poll of black Americans by The Associated Press and AOL-Black Voices last year, 50 percent of respondents said hip-hop was a negative force in American society.

Nicole Duncan-Smith grew up on rap, worked in the rap industry for years and is married to a hip-hop producer. She still listens to rap, but says it no longer speaks to or for her. She wrote the children's book "I Am Hip-Hop" partly to create something positive about rap for young children, including her 4-year-old daughter.

"I'm not removed from it, but I can't really tell the difference between Young Jeezy and Yung Joc. It's the same dumb stuff to me," says Duncan-Smith, 33. "I can't listen to that nonsense ... I can't listen to another black man talk about you don't come to the 'hood anymore and ghetto revivals ... I'm from the 'hood. How can you tell me you want to revive it? How about you want to change it? Rejuvenate it?"

Hip-hop also seems to be increasingly blamed for a variety of social ills. Studies have attempted to link it to everything from teen drug use to increased sexual activity among young girls.

Even the mayhem that broke out in Las Vegas during last week's NBA All-Star Game was blamed on hip-hoppers. "(NBA Commissioner) David Stern seriously needs to consider moving the event out of the country for the next couple of years in hopes that young, hip-hop hoodlums would find another event to terrorize," columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, wrote on AOL.

While rap has been in essence pop music for years, and most rap consumers are white, some worry that the black community is suffering from hip-hop -- from the way America perceives blacks to the attitudes and images being adopted by black youth.

But the rapper David Banner derides the growing criticism as blacks joining America's attack on young black men who are only reflecting the crushing problems within their communities. Besides, he says, that's the kind of music America wants to hear.

"Look at the music that gets us popular -- 'Like a Pimp,' " says Banner, naming his hit.

"What makes it so difficult is to know that we need to be doing other things. But the truth is at least us talking about what we're talking about, we can bring certain things to the light," he says. "They want (black artists) to shuck and jive, but they don't want us to tell the real story because they're connected to it."

Criticism of hip-hop is certainly nothing new -- it's as much a part of the culture as the beats and rhymes. Among the early accusations were that rap wasn't true music, its lyrics were too raw, its street message too polarizing. But they rarely came from the youthful audience itself, which was enraptured with genre that defined them as none other could.

"As people within the hip-hop generation get older, I think the criticism is increasing," says author Bakari Kitwana, who is currently part of a lecture tour titled "Does Hip-Hop Hate Women?"

"There was a more of a tendency when we were younger to be more defensive of it," he adds.

During her '90s crusade against rap's habit of degrading women, the late black activist C. Dolores Tucker certainly had few allies within the hip-hop community, or even among young black women. Backed by folks like conservative Republican William Bennett, Tucker was vilified within rap circles.

In retrospect, "many of us weren't listening," says Tracy Denean Sharpley-Whiting, a professor at Vanderbilt University and author of the new book "Pimps Up, Ho's Down: Hip-Hop's Hold On Young Black Women."

"She was onto something, but most of us said, 'They're not calling me a bitch, they're not talking about me, they're talking about THOSE women.' But then it became clear that, you know what? Those women can be any women."

One rap fan, Bryan Hunt, made the searing documentary "Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes," which debuted on PBS this month. Hunt addresses the biggest criticisms of rap, from its treatment of women to the glorification of the gangsta lifestyle that has become the default posture for many of today's most popular rappers.

"I love hip-hop," Hunt, 36, says in the documentary. "I sometimes feel bad for criticizing hip-hop, but I want to get us men to take a look at ourselves."

Even dances that may seem innocuous are not above the fray. Last summer, as the "Chicken Noodle Soup" song and accompanying dance became a sensation, Baltimore Sun pop critic Rashod D. Ollison mused that the dance -- demonstrated in the video by young people stomping wildly from side to side -- was part of the growing minstrelization of rap music.

"The music, dances and images in the video are clearly reminiscent of the era when pop culture reduced blacks to caricatures: lazy 'coons,' grinning 'pickaninnies,' sexually super-charged 'bucks,' " he wrote.

And then there's the criminal aspect that has long been a part of rap. In the '70s, groups may have rapped about drug dealing and street violence, but rap stars weren't the embodiment of criminals themselves. Today, the most popular and successful rappers boast about who has murdered more foes and rhyme about dealing drugs as breezily as other artists sing about love.

Creekmur says music labels have overfed the public on gangsta rap, obscuring artists who represent more positive and varied aspects of black life, like Talib Kweli, Common and Lupe Fiasco.

"It boils down to a complete lack of balance, and whenever there's a complete lack of balance people are going to reject it, whether it's positive or negative," Creekmur says.

Yet Banner says there's a reason why acts like KRS-One and Public Enemy don't sell anymore. He recalled that even his own fans rebuffed positive songs he made -- like "Cadillac on 22s," about staying away from street life -- in favor of songs like "Like a Pimp."

"The American public had an opportunity to pick what they wanted from David Banner," he says. "I wish America would just be honest. America is sick. ... America loves violence and sex."

[h2co-pilot]

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[Steve - SanJose]

You're the exception then, just like me. Everyone is the exception except for the the small group of people who are statistically prone to committing crimes regardless. Whether they like rap or are just stereotyped as liking it.

Agreed.

[DennisAJC]

In the past 15 years There is maybe 4 or 5 rap songs that I've enjoyed.

LL Cool J, some Beastie and the latest Chamillion's Ridin DRTY:clapping: .


The rest give me migranes.

The gangsta wannabes booming that stuff from their 85 Toyota Corollas I find especially amusing.:D

[MarineHawk]

Few may know this, but rap music was originally created by the Visigoths and Vandals. They spread their violent angry rap tunes and dancing into the central regions of the Roman Empire by the early fifth century. It played a critical role in the decline of the Roman Empire, leading to the sacking of Rome in 410 and 455. Prior to that, the Romans had internal plumbing and flushing toilets, both of which were not to be seen again until the early 19th century in Europe. So, embrace rap music all you want, but if you do, you will soon lose your toilets and will be throwing you turds out the window.

[The Riddler]

....just checkin', is this thread dead? :dancingbanana:


btt

[usetosellhummer]

as dead as the rip-off fest they call rap

[The Green Lantern]

Hang the blessed DJ, because the music that they constantly play - IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE.


:p

[h2co-pilot]

Hang the blessed DJ, because the music that they constantly play - IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE.


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How bout we hang the thread starter?:clapping: ;)

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[The Riddler]

How bout we hang the thread starter?:clapping: ;)

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[dеiтайожни]

Oh it's not dead. I'm just taking a break, listening to some Eric Clapton - Cocaine and Judas Priest - Breaking the Law. After I get back from my coke binge and crime spree, we will resume.

[Steve - SanJose]

Speaking of dead, Lmp Bizket...:D

[The ArchiTexan]

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young black man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!


OOPS! That was supposed to be "BLING DANCE!" My BAD! ;)

[The Green Lantern]

Wow. Lots of passion on this topic people. :) .

X2!!





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[usetosellhummer]

Hip Hop is gonna live (Rap is dead)

[Steve - SanJose]

News to me.

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Hold on there youngster !!!!!!



No ONE and I mean NO ONE tells me what to like and dislike...



I make my own decisions and I have listened to rap and yes there is some that doesn't talk about killing the man(police) and some that doesn't talk about doin it to someones daughter...



BUT the stuff that gets played over and over, more then not is the stuff thats promotes crime, violence, sex, drugs and death...



I'm 60 and everyday I learn something new, the same way YOUNG kids, teens, 18 & 19 year olds AND Younger Adults do. The younger you are the more influenced you are by your peers and heros. ALL generations before us had there rebels but none of them DEGRADED WOMEN & society the way rap does...



Luckily GOTH never made it big but it still isn't on the same level as rap. Sorry a lot of rap is CRAP.......................





Amen

[h2co-pilot]

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Rrrrrolll that beautiful box footage.:)


On a side note, I have been listening to rap lately and I really like that Akorn fella.:D

[Sewie]

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[Steve - SanJose]

To quote someone's post; simply click on the quote box in the lower right hand corner of their post. A new reply window will pop up with the desired quotes. Then when posted, the person's post will be in a blue box.

Rrrrrolll that beautiful box footage.:)


On a side note, I have been listening to rap lately and I really like that Akorn fella.:D

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[usetosellhummer]

isn't that what squirls eat akons from a tree?

[dеiтайожни]

CP -- What's your favorite Akorn song?

[usetosellhummer]

between a nut and a hard place.
cd sales off 16% this year adding to a 7 year slide. Muisc biz is dead

[Steve - SanJose]

Ipod = not dead

[jmsspratlin]

oh crap...its dead?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

CP -- What's your favorite Akorn song?

she likes :tip toes through the tulips"