Is the H3 an easy theft?

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I just read in the H2 section where the guy's SUT was stolen. So is the H3 an easy mark?

And besides activating the stock alarm and onstar, what have people done to secure your H3? I'm curious about full-blown alarm systems or things like fuel and ignition cut-off switches.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I just read in the H2 section where the guy's SUT was stolen. So is the H3 an easy mark?

And besides activating the stock alarm and onstar, what have people done to secure your H3? I'm curious about full-blown alarm systems or things like fuel and ignition cut-off switches.

yes

[H3slate]

I have a trunk monkey!! :giggling:

http://www.trunkmonkeyad.com/

This is funny too!!

http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/animals/Humping_Monkey_Sandpile/

[Steve - SanJose]

yes

Explain, (preferably an intelligent explanation please):popcorn: http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[jdrew]

All it takes is one of these...


http://www.connerycustompaint.com/images/photos/flames/towtruck.jpg

[DURAMAX TIM]

I take off the tires every time I park it, that makes it harder for the tow truck driver to drive off w/ it.

It does take a little extra time but the wife's H3 is worth it.

[marin8703]

I just read in the H2 section where the guy's SUT was stolen. So is the H3 an easy mark?

And besides activating the stock alarm and onstar, what have people done to secure your H3? I'm curious about full-blown alarm systems or things like fuel and ignition cut-off switches.

i have a viper 5900sst installed. its a 2 way pager alarm/starter. got tilt, motion, sound, and shock sensors on it. its disables the starter but i dont like the way it does that. in the next several days ill cut the wires to the fuel pump and put a normaly open relay in its way. that way even if the alarm is disabled or even pulled out, the engine would still get no fuel. probably will stick some more relays around the truck just in case.

in teh neasr future i might even install a gps unit, one thatcan be hidden anywhere on the truck.

how do they tow away 4wd vehicles, wont all the wheels be locked cauze its in park. i know they do that but dont know how. do they just shift the trans from underneath?

[marin8703]

LOL the trunk monkey is hilarious. :jump: :jump: the horney monkey too:jump: :jump:

[Steve - SanJose]

I remove the keys and remote when I leave the car unattended. It makes a huge difference from a theft standpoint.

[lamric]

Alarms will only deter someone who wants to take a car for a joy ride. A professional thief will get your vehicle if he really wants it. Alarm systems can be bypassed and transmitter codes intercepted and replicated with cloned fobs.

The GM smart key system is bypassed by replacing the engine CPU and ignition switch with their own components.

Locks only keep honest people honest.

[Matt19]

i put a steaming pile of turd on my driver seat. Nobody wants to steal a car with a steaming hot pile of $hit. I make sure that its the special brand of turd where it stays steaming for a long period of time, in which i will then return to the car before the steaming affect wears off.

Now if I run out of turd, I back into a parking spot where a tow truck cant get infront of, and then pull up the emergency break. If they tow it, they will kill it, and hopefullly I can sue for the damages. (its like dragging a five metric ton metal cube)

I can go on forever...

Now if that doesnt work, and it is about to get stolen, thats when the thief will learn that I live in the trunk with a sawed of shotgun, and a winnie the poo teddybear.
Well since i'm a heavy sleeper, he will start driving the 3 for quite some time before I awake to the gental ride of the hummer. At that point I will cock it and....then i will have to go through the hassel of cleaning it. Since I have a strict schedule, I would have to wait until the weekend becuase I have a routine. So hopefully if my car ever gets stolen, and I use my weapon of choice, it comes on a friday=)

[f5fstop]

Any vehicle can be stolen. Is the H3 easier than any other vehicle? No! Look at the last generation of Chrysler Jeeps that could be joyrided by kids in less than twenty seconds.:OWNED:
All the relays, switches, etc., will do nothing if there is a tow truck waiting for the vehicle.
The passkey system works great to deter probably 60 percent of possible thefts, but switching ignition modules (which is not easy), adding other relays, etc., will NOT stop the professional. (Switching the so-called CPU on a H3 is not the answer. The passkey is contained within the BCM, and the BCM is not just a switch and play. The BCM is what recognizes a key, and sends the ok to the PCM to fire the injectors and close the relays required. It requires programming to recognize the vehicle, and BCMs cannot be swapped between vehicles as was standard in the old days with older systems.)
A viper is great for letting you know if some kid or inexperience bozo is trying to steal the vehicle, and great for letting you know if someone is breaking in. But honestly, if they want it, and they are pros, they will get it, and I don't lose sleep over it. I carry good insurance.

[Agriv8r]

tracking devices are affordable and hidden...then google earth and it tells you exactly where your truck is...

[Steve - SanJose]

Just in case, make sure you have good insurance too. H3's are easily replaced.

[wannabeH3]

I know a repo man and he will just hook up to a car and drag it till its on fire then he will drop it on the freeway and say you must have done something to it to make it do that. as to the e-brake they can just disconnect that very quickly.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I remove the keys and remote when I leave the car unattended. It makes a huge difference from a theft standpoint.

Every time? That's damn inconvenient ;)

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

i put a steaming pile of turd on my driver seat. Nobody wants to steal a car with a steaming hot pile of $hit. I make sure that its the special brand of turd where it stays steaming for a long period of time, in which i will then return to the car before the steaming affect wears off.

Now if I run out of turd, I back into a parking spot where a tow truck cant get infront of, and then pull up the emergency break. If they tow it, they will kill it, and hopefullly I can sue for the damages. (its like dragging a five metric ton metal cube)

I can go on forever...

Now if that doesnt work, and it is about to get stolen, thats when the thief will learn that I live in the trunk with a sawed of shotgun, and a winnie the poo teddybear.
Well since i'm a heavy sleeper, he will start driving the 3 for quite some time before I awake to the gental ride of the hummer. At that point I will cock it and....then i will have to go through the hassel of cleaning it. Since I have a strict schedule, I would have to wait until the weekend becuase I have a routine. So hopefully if my car ever gets stolen, and I use my weapon of choice, it comes on a friday=)

Matt,

Which model HUMMER has a trunk ???

[Viet Nam Vette]

Assume your H3 can be stolen.. If you want it back..get yourself

LoJack

When the pros steal your rig... they park it for several days to make sure the cops don't show to take it back as it could be equiped with LoJack. If no one shows in a few days ..it's there's.

Had a friend who had his Vette stolen and was equiped with LoJack. They found the Vette parked in a parking lot the next day. No one around.
Not to much damage. It had been Roll Back towed when stolen. It was left their to make sure it had no LoJack.

[f5fstop]

Assume your H3 can be stolen.. If you want it back..get yourself

LoJack

When the pros steal your rig... they park it for several days to make sure the cops don't show to take it back as it could be equiped with LoJack. If no one shows in a few days ..it's there's.

Had a friend who had his Vette stolen and was equiped with LoJack. They found the Vette parked in a parking lot the next day. No one around.
Not to much damage. It had been Roll Back towed when stolen. It was left their to make sure it had no LoJack.

Not all police departments have the equipment for LoJack tracking or locating. And there are some electronic devices that disable LoJack transmitters.
If pros want it, they will get it.

[Viet Nam Vette]

Not all police departments have the equipment for LoJack tracking or locating. And there are some electronic devices that disable LoJack transmitters.
If pros want it, they will get it.

Agreeded.. If you live in the South West and your 3 goes across the border..fa-gat-a-bout-it...It's gone.. LoJack when professionally Installed is very very hard to find. Infact ..it's no bigger then a pack of cig's.

Sure..if there pro's there's a good chance they Might...and I use the term Might get away with it. There are usually 34 or more different locations LoJack is installed in your ride. So..they gotta rip it apart to find it.

I haven't heard of a LoJack Jammer yet...That's a new one on me. I have a friend that works for them and I here all about the recovery stories every time I run into him. It's rare In this area when a vehicle is reported to the police asap that the Vehicle is not found with LoJack. I'm in Joiesy which is part of the largest car theft area in the the world.

But..as you say..when the pro's are involved...the chances of getting your ride back are slim. But you have a much better chance with LoJack then
with NO JACK:clapping:

[f5fstop]

VNV:
From the LoJack coverage page:
"LoJack offers protection in high crime areas in the United States where auto theft is prevalent. LoJack works with local law enforcement agencies to ensure that sufficient coverage is provided in the major crime areas in each state. Coverage may vary due to topography, signal strength, and other environmental considerations. Coverage is subject to limitations in remote areas."

They only cover 27 states, that leaves 23 not covered. Look at their coverage pages and see they only cover a limited number of counties in each of the 27 states they cover.

Also, for LoJack to work, you must notify the police and hope they have the equipment to transmit a turn on signal to the LoJack module. The module is only in a receive mode until the police trigger it. So, you are also reliant on the local police having the equipment, and in working condition.

I'm not saying in Detroit a LoJack is a bad idea, I'm just saying that once outside the counties or states shown on their coverage page, the system is basically as worthless as an onstar system without the fuse.

As for jamming, it is a radio frequency. All radio frequencies can be jammed. Even the GPS signal on Onstar can be blocked.

I had an interesting talk with my insurance agent the other day, since my policy is up for renewal, in regard to alarms and locating devices.
The combined rates (theft, collison, comprehensive, etc.) have an overall reduction with the Viper and PassKey than with Onstar. When I asked how this is, he reply was basically that Onstar as well as any other type of locating device can either be disconnected, jammed, or the police can't use the equipment.
Does not mean this company does not offer a discount for Onstar. I had him check the rates with my Viper versus Onstar. They only give one discount for an alarm system. The Viper gave me a larger discount (not by much...$10.00 a year) over Onstar, but I did not have to reactivate Onstar and spend $149.00 a year to do so.
The Passkey system, prevents the inexperienced thief from stealing the vehicle, add a Viper system and now you have a two-stage starter lockout. A Viper prevents more break-ins than the factory content alarm system; as long as it has an underhood switch.
The factory alarm on most vehicles; including the H3, has no trigger for someone who opens the hood. To open the hood without pulling the inside hood release, takes about 30 seconds. Since most factory alarms have no underhood light (most alarms detect a sudden current draw to trigger), or a switch, if I open the hood, all I have to do is disconnect the battery. I can then break the window, open the door, and help myself to your laptop, phone, radio, GPS, whatever you have in their is now mine; and their is NO alarm.
A correctly installed VIPER or any other type of alarm, will have an underhood trigger switch, that if the alarm is On, and the hood is opened, the alarm will go off. This is usually enough to scare the thief away; not always, but usually. Therefore, your contents are saved.

[Crash ?]

I have a big cover that says JEEP on it...

[K9sH3]

LOL the trunk monkey is hilarious. :jump: :jump: the horney monkey too:jump: :jump:


:iagree:

:jump: :jump:

[Steve - SanJose]

Frankly I'm not worried about it at all.

[Matt19]

I have a big cover that says JEEP on it...

lol, thats the best one yet:perfect10s:

[Viet Nam Vette]

VNV:
From the LoJack coverage page:
"LoJack offers protection in high crime areas in the United States where auto theft is prevalent. LoJack works with local law enforcement agencies to ensure that sufficient coverage is provided in the major crime areas in each state. Coverage may vary due to topography, signal strength, and other environmental considerations. Coverage is subject to limitations in remote areas."

They only cover 27 states, that leaves 23 not covered. Look at their coverage pages and see they only cover a limited number of counties in each of the 27 states they cover.

Also, for LoJack to work, you must notify the police and hope they have the equipment to transmit a turn on signal to the LoJack module. The module is only in a receive mode until the police trigger it. So, you are also reliant on the local police having the equipment, and in working condition.

I'm not saying in Detroit a LoJack is a bad idea, I'm just saying that once outside the counties or states shown on their coverage page, the system is basically as worthless as an onstar system without the fuse.

As for jamming, it is a radio frequency. All radio frequencies can be jammed. Even the GPS signal on Onstar can be blocked.

I had an interesting talk with my insurance agent the other day, since my policy is up for renewal, in regard to alarms and locating devices.
The combined rates (theft, collison, comprehensive, etc.) have an overall reduction with the Viper and PassKey than with Onstar. When I asked how this is, he reply was basically that Onstar as well as any other type of locating device can either be disconnected, jammed, or the police can't use the equipment.
Does not mean this company does not offer a discount for Onstar. I had him check the rates with my Viper versus Onstar. They only give one discount for an alarm system. The Viper gave me a larger discount (not by much...$10.00 a year) over Onstar, but I did not have to reactivate Onstar and spend $149.00 a year to do so.
The Passkey system, prevents the inexperienced thief from stealing the vehicle, add a Viper system and now you have a two-stage starter lockout. A Viper prevents more break-ins than the factory content alarm system; as long as it has an underhood switch.
The factory alarm on most vehicles; including the H3, has no trigger for someone who opens the hood. To open the hood without pulling the inside hood release, takes about 30 seconds. Since most factory alarms have no underhood light (most alarms detect a sudden current draw to trigger), or a switch, if I open the hood, all I have to do is disconnect the battery. I can then break the window, open the door, and help myself to your laptop, phone, radio, GPS, whatever you have in their is now mine; and their is NO alarm.
A correctly installed VIPER or any other type of alarm, will have an underhood trigger switch, that if the alarm is On, and the hood is opened, the alarm will go off. This is usually enough to scare the thief away; not always, but usually. Therefore, your contents are saved.


I hear what your saying... but for someone living in Detroit or NJ it might be a good idea. Also I undersatnd how lojack works in regards to calling the police. What idiot wouldn't call if his car was stolen. If I had Lojack I would be on the phone to the police like white on rice.

Also my friend says there is also and optional mo-money feature ..If some one starts your car with out a key lojack will call your cell and or home phone to let you know. Then you could varify that your car was infact stolen and then you call the police.

Of course and alarm like the Viper and or other type makes sense... but lets face it..nothing is gauranteed in regards to preventing your car from being ripped off.

Ask my friend with the Corvette that got ripped off if the money he spent for LoJack was a waste... He'll tell you Farg No..!!! He got his Vette back.
I my self might consider it as well as a Viper.

As far as Insurance rates are concerend they only give so much discount for anti theft devices anyway. I don't care how much the device is as long as it stops or get's my vehicle back. Insurance is a given..I don't care if I save $50 or more ...my car is more important then the discount.

My Theory on everything is...Throw Money at it untill it works:D

I'll be installing a SST 5900 Viper maybe next month. Gotta find a good price on one. Well..I won't be installing it but the the alarm joint will.

[f5fstop]

VNV, I guess what I mean was you have to know your vehicle was stolen. Go shopping, and it could be four or six hours before you know the car is gone...depends on how much money you are spending.
Park it at the airport, it might be a week. Go on vacation, etc.....

[Viet Nam Vette]

VNV, I guess what I mean was you have to know your vehicle was stolen. Go shopping, and it could be four or six hours before you know the car is gone...depends on how much money you are spending.
Park it at the airport, it might be a week. Go on vacation, etc.....

Agreeded.. It's worthless if not reported ASAP. Hence the optional feature that LoJack offers .. Cell phone notification that your Vehicle has been started.

Similar to the Viper that notifies you if some one starts or enters or bumps or breaks into your car. However...if your out of range or in an area where reception is poor or..it's being jammed.. then the Viper key fob with its LCD screen is worthless also.


Conclusion..??? Something is better then nothing.:beerchug:

[Mark805]

fstop has some great points on Lojack.

Also, for LoJack to work, you must notify the police and hope they have the equipment to transmit a turn on signal to the LoJack module. The module is only in a receive mode until the police trigger it. So, you are also reliant on the local police having the equipment, and in working condition.

One thing to add regarding lojack thats already been touched on... Lojack only works if the system is installed / properly reported by the owner / activated (This is automatic after owner reports theft) and your stolen car finds itself near a lojack equipped patrol car.

Lojack would like you to believe that all police cars have lojack installed in their coverage areas. In my department for instance, the units were installed in a few pool cars, with the assurance more units were to follow. We still have a couple pool cars equiped. Lojack provides the equipment to law enforcement free of charge but seems it doesn't have a surplus.

Now should one of the pool cars be mobile when a stolen lojacked Hummer comes around, we'll get it, but odds are slim as most officers have their own patrol cars.

Thats the big drawback to the system, you need their tracking hardware to make it work. And its tough to get it from them.

Personally if I was going to depend on a tracking system i would just stick with onstar, i know it can be disabled, but so can the others, and after a few days if it cant be located its gone anyways.

Just my 2 cents worth :excited:

[Viet Nam Vette]

fstop has some great points on Lojack.



One thing to add regarding lojack thats already been touched on... Lojack only works if the system is installed / properly reported by the owner / activated (This is automatic after owner reports theft) and your stolen car finds itself near a lojack equipped patrol car.

Lojack would like you to believe that all police cars have lojack installed in their coverage areas. In my department for instance, the units were installed in a few pool cars, with the assurance more units were to follow. We still have a couple pool cars equiped. Lojack provides the equipment to law enforcement free of charge but seems it doesn't have a surplus.

Now should one of the pool cars be mobile when a stolen lojacked Hummer comes around, we'll get it, but odds are slim as most officers have their own patrol cars.

Thats the big drawback to the system, you need their tracking hardware to make it work. And its tough to get it from them.

Personally if I was going to depend on a tracking system i would just stick with onstar, i know it can be disabled, but so can the others, and after a few days if it cant be located its gone anyways.

Just my 2 cents worth :excited:

Some good point's Mark... And thankyou for your service,

As you say it depends on the reaction time of the reported theft with LoJack.. and of course the Police and how well equipped they are. One of the reason's I would consider getting LoJack is the area I live in. Again,I'm in the Tri State area that's considered one of the highest theft areas in the nation. According to my friend,this area is well covered.

Spending aproximately 1.5% of your vehicle cost to protect it is worth the gamble to me. I call it a gamble because ..like playing slots or paying for auto insurance it's a gamble. A gamble that the insurance compay won't have to pay you and a gamble you might hit on that slot after the next pull.

Will your LoJack Work...?? Will Your Viper alarm work...?? Will Your On Star Work..?? Will the Brake pedal lock Work..?? You get the picture..

So it becomes a question of...Where I want to gamble my security money ...Pick any one of the Auto Security devices out their and take the Gamble. Or do nothing and call them all worhtless and pick apart how easy they are to defeat.

And take the gambel that your ride won't be stolen.:beerchug:

[marin8703]

I hear what your saying... but for someone living in Detroit or NJ it might be a good idea. Also I undersatnd how lojack works in regards to calling the police. What idiot wouldn't call if his car was stolen. If I had Lojack I would be on the phone to the police like white on rice.

Also my friend says there is also and optional mo-money feature ..If some one starts your car with out a key lojack will call your cell and or home phone to let you know. Then you could varify that your car was infact stolen and then you call the police.

Of course and alarm like the Viper and or other type makes sense... but lets face it..nothing is gauranteed in regards to preventing your car from being ripped off.

Ask my friend with the Corvette that got ripped off if the money he spent for LoJack was a waste... He'll tell you Farg No..!!! He got his Vette back.
I my self might consider it as well as a Viper.

As far as Insurance rates are concerend they only give so much discount for anti theft devices anyway. I don't care how much the device is as long as it stops or get's my vehicle back. Insurance is a given..I don't care if I save $50 or more ...my car is more important then the discount.

My Theory on everything is...Throw Money at it untill it works:D

I'll be installing a SST 5900 Viper maybe next month. Gotta find a good price on one. Well..I won't be installing it but the the alarm joint will.

if your in the market for mo-money options, DEI, viper's parent has got you covered. Its selling a gps module that is mounted remotely and completely independent from your alarm (viper or whatever), but is in contact with it, its even got its own battery. It will notify you of a possible break in and allow you to take action over the internet/phone. You can go online and see its location, and you can disable/enable the engine, lock/unlock, and other crap from anywhere in the world with intenet access. its possible that the gps will not have satelite view and possibly not be able to track, but you can still send commands to the vehicle because it opeates over the cellular network (like onstar). I think that a much better option than lojack, you dont have to hope that others will get things done for you, you can find your car yourself and just contact the police to be there when you pic it up.

the best thing is you can hide it anywhere under plastic or glass, no one will know its there, and its really small.

lojack is a good option but its ability is deminished by little coverage and equipment issues. in big cities it may be a great idea.

oh and since your getting the viper installed, make sure your get the best installer possible. an alarm that inproperly installed is no better than stiking a brick under the dash.

[usetosellhummer]

If it gets stolen I just hope it never comes back! So I can get an Alpha:giggling:

[jmsspratlin]

All it takes is one of these...


http://www.connerycustompaint.com/images/photos/flames/towtruck.jpg



NIOCE, however is it only the ones with flames that the H3 owner must watch out for?:D

[marin8703]

NIOCE, however is it only the ones with flames that the H3 owner must watch out for?:D

yep, only the ones with flames. the others dont have enough power to drag the 2.5 ton cube:D

[Viet Nam Vette]

if your in the market for mo-money options, DEI, viper's parent has got you covered. Its selling a gps module that is mounted remotely and completely independent from your alarm (viper or whatever), but is in contact with it, its even got its own battery. It will notify you of a possible break in and allow you to take action over the internet/phone. You can go online and see its location, and you can disable/enable the engine, lock/unlock, and other crap from anywhere in the world with intenet access. its possible that the gps will not have satelite view and possibly not be able to track, but you can still send commands to the vehicle because it opeates over the cellular network (like onstar). I think that a much better option than lojack, you dont have to hope that others will get things done for you, you can find your car yourself and just contact the police to be there when you pic it up.

the best thing is you can hide it anywhere under plastic or glass, no one will know its there, and its really small.

lojack is a good option but its ability is deminished by little coverage and equipment issues. in big cities it may be a great idea.

oh and since your getting the viper installed, make sure your get the best installer possible. an alarm that inproperly installed is no better than stiking a brick under the dash.


Cool I 'll have to check on that one.. I'll just add it to the list of Items to Gamble on...:D




yep, only the ones with flames. the others dont have enough power to drag the 2.5 ton cube:D


Yeah... Can't beat the man with the Hook..:D



If it gets stolen I just hope it never comes back! So I can get an Alpha:giggling:



That would be the "hard way" like shoot-en Craps to Make it to an "Alpha":clapping: But a happy ending..:D

[Spuds]

The factory alarm on most vehicles; including the H3, has no trigger for someone who opens the hood.

Now why didn't GM include a hood sensor, and trunk lid for that matter, with the alarm system to help make it a little more effective?

I'm sure it could still be broken into and stolen, but to not have the hood as part of the alarm monitoring, IMO seems pointless. :confused: