New GM Diesel

[Uintah]

This could be good news for the H3:

GM Plans First Light Duty V-8 Clean Diesel for North America

http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=2&docid=37112

"The new dual-overhead cam, four-valve V-8 diesel engine will fit within the same space of a small-block V-8 gasoline engine. "


Uintah :clapping:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

The question is "how many people would buy an H-3 with a diesel ?"

[NEOCON1]

The question is "how many people would buy an H-3 with a diesel ?"


about 5 of us ;)

[stagger_lee]

Count me in.

[f5fstop]

This is at least the fourth time in two months there has been an article posted on this forum about the new GM diesel. Which, states in the article...H2 NOT H3, and it will NEVER be in the H3.

[HummBebe]

about 5 of us ;)


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[Uintah]

This is at least the fourth time in two months there has been an article posted on this forum about the new GM diesel. Which, states in the article...H2 NOT H3, and it will NEVER be in the H3.

I also saw post in the past saying the H3 would NEVER get a V-8, won't fit, blah blah blah...... Guess the Alpha is not real. NEVER say NEVER :twak:

Uintah

[Steve - SanJose]

Mmmmm, one of the most interesting and significant diesel articles in a long time. Clean tech, 4.5L

[f5fstop]

I also saw post in the past saying the H3 would NEVER get a V-8, won't fit, blah blah blah...... Guess the Alpha is not real. NEVER say NEVER :twak:

Uintah

Never saw a post from me that said the H3 would never get a V8! Why? Because before I purchased my current H3, I had already seen the V8 version.
In addition, my previous message never implied a diesel will never be in the H3, only that the 4.5L will NEVER be in the H3. If you read the auto papers, or had been on this forum longer than a few days, you would know there is a diesel in the H3 for European/Asian export. Therefore, a diesel is in the H3, but NOT the 4.5L.
As for the US market, I will say what I have basically always said, "there is NO diesel slated for the US/European H3; AT THIS TIME. "At this time," does NOT mean:
Yes there will be one in the future or No there will never be one in the future. It basically means at this time, no one at GM believes a diesel in the H3 is a worthwhile project due to the limited number that would be sold. Someday in the future, this belief may change as the market changes. However, for the market to change, people have to change and accept a diesel in something other than a truck or a vehicle used to tow or carry a large load.
So, :twak: yourself.

[Uintah]

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip :twak:

Uintah

[HummBebe]

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip :twak:

Uintah

WHY IS IT ALL THE FAWKING N00BS COME HERE AND **** WITH F5????

GTFO.....if you even know what that means.

[HummBebe]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/HummBeeBe/Die.jpg

[Uintah]

GTFO.....if you even know what that means.


I guess it means gas, tires, food, and oil. I am with you, let's go four wheeling :giggling:

Uintah
Moab Edition

[stagger_lee]

:popcorn:

[MarineHawk]

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip :twak:

Uintah

People who have been on this forum for a while look to f5fstop for the answers, because he almost always has them and is almost always correct. You, on the other hand, are just a tempermental noob with nothing to offer except for the mildly-entertaining prospect that shortly you will be mercilessly abused if you stay on here and continue to act that way.

[HummBebe]

I guess it means gas, tires, food, and oil. I am with you, let's go four wheeling :giggling:

Uintah
Moab Edition

Keep it up, a$$hole.....it means git the fawk out.

Next time you 'share" with us, try searching first....this has been disscussed to death already.

Seems as though you're the one with the ego trip, can't say you're sorry when you've been :OWNED:

[f5fstop]

I posted to this forum because I thought sharing information was a good thing. Didn't know the dorm mom would come unglued, long winded rants, caps, etc.....

Unless you are Bob Lutz, posting under a psuedo name, you have to high an opinion of your opinion.

Lets talk H3's and can the ego trip :twak:

Uintah

My first post was a nice way of saying....use the search key. (Someone else would have eventually stated the same thing.) My second post was in answer to your second post where it appeared you had problems understanding English. Was it long-winded, probably, I was waiting for my laundry to get done so I could head out to the range.
So, want to start all over again?
Hi, welcome to Elcova.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

I still think an H3 with the diesel would sell like crazy. Particularly in the truck. I think GM's over-analyzing consumer affairs department is underestimating the popularity of such a feature. And my contention as for why more diesel SUV's aren't sold is that they're aren't any that people want to buy. I think the H3 (or any of the nicer SUV's) with a diesel would be a hit. Dealer's have to be FORCED to order them as well, and then the would sell. :D

TDI VW's at auction are bringing, and have been bringing astronomical values. Particularly the V10 TDI Toureg.

[f5fstop]

I still think an H3 with the diesel would sell like crazy. Particularly in the truck. I think GM's over-analyzing consumer affairs department is underestimating the popularity of such a feature. And my contention as for why more diesel SUV's aren't sold is that they're aren't any that people want to buy. I think the H3 (or any of the nicer SUV's) with a diesel would be a hit. Dealer's have to be FORCED to order them as well, and then the would sell. :D

TDI VW's at auction are bringing, and have been bringing astronomical values. Particularly the V10 TDI Toureg.

Why? Most H3s, as well as H2s are sold to as vehicles that the only off-roading they will see is running over a parking block in the Kroger parking lot. For that, a diesel is not required. For those who will tow a large boat, a diesel would be nice, but what is that number when talking H3s.
I believe, right now, GM's marketing research is right on about the diesel. Heck on this board alone there are only 6-12 who would like a H3 diesel.

Will GM's marketing research come up with a different survey next year? They could, all depends on how the US consumer minds change in regard to the diesel engine. Right now, diesels are not a popular item in the USA; unless the person pulls a large trailer, or uses it for work.

[f5fstop]

I don't think it matters that they aren't used off-road. Besides, the point I'm making is that if the vehicles were there, that market would probably appear and expand. I think getting folks in, driving the diesel next to the gas, maybe 15%-20% would pick the diesel. Why? For towing, mileage improvement, power, biodiesel, brawn. But the dealers have to do their part to and order the vehicles, or they won't get sold. I'd go into the H1 issue on that, but that's still very contentious.

If GM wants to do a great market research project, they should bring in some of the diesels from HUMMER worldwide, mod the emissions, slap them into LHD, and put one at every or select dealers, not for sale, but demo. Then see how many orders come in. If they make the break-even, then they should consider the green light. I realize it's not that easy however.

And of course they've got the aftermarket mod, but for the price, I don't think people even consider it (I wouldn't). But a diesel is a great engine, though you've got to drive it first, in a vehicle you like, and then I think it's a no-brainer. That's why I think they should put demos out there, because that first drive destroys any preconceptions that someone has about a diesel.

I don't mean to argue with you FStop. I just can't understand GM's stumbling block. I don't think the argument is there.

Nothing to argue about Aubs. It's a marketing decision, engineering can run an H3 with a diesel; whether or not it could be sold in all 50 states or just 45 is another matter.
Let's see in a few years and see how they sell in H2s!

[usetosellhummer]

Totally right f5. It's about moving metal and the marketing folks spend millions on their guess. People talk D all the time but don't buy them in mass. Guess why your radio station never takes requests and plays the same 500 songs over and over. Same answer, numbers.

[Steve - SanJose]

Wow, maybe a diesel that doesn't stink and rattle.

[-=Mac=-]

Wow, maybe a diesel that doesn't stink and rattle.
The new diesels don't stink or rattle and they're not much louder than a similar displacement gasoline engine. Diesel H3s are available... just not in North America. I would love to see it otherwise but the Marketing Gurus of GM have spoken and we all know how infallible they are. :(

-Mac

[Spuds]

Wow, maybe a diesel that doesn't stink and rattle.
Like the Touareg's....
:perfect10s:

I would love to see it otherwise but the Marketing Gurus of GM have spoken and we all know how infallible they are. :(

-Mac
Can you spell B-U-I-C-K...?
:giggling:

[algy]

Not to dispel anyone from getting a Diesel, but those of you that have driven or have a diesel, do you live in colder climates, and go to areas where you can?t garage or have a power source to heat the block? I guess a aftermarket warmer would work, but that would be my biggest hang-up in getting a diesel.

My truck sees more snow & ice than mud...

[lance-n]

i am late to the party, but as i have said before on this board i would love a diesel h3. i would rather have a diesel than an alpha and i imagine that a diesel would be priced at or above the same amount as the v8 alpha.
so you can add me to the list!
does anyone know where i could find the performance and torque specs of the h3 diesels that are avaialable in europe?

[-=Mac=-]

3.0 lt turbo-diesel (http://blogs.automotive.com/1002383/miscellaneous/uk-hummer-h3-to-arrive-in-2007/index.html) (from Isuzu) is the base engine for the UK version of the H3.

-Mac

[-=Mac=-]

Interesting, but don't expect it here in the US.
I know...:crying:

-Mac

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I found some specs on that 3.0L diesel on wikipedia here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMAX_V6_engine). According to their info, it makes 168 HP @ 4000 rpm and 258 ft-lbs @ 1800 rpm.

You know, I thought I would love a diesel in the H3, but if this is the choice, my interest is kind of fading. The 3.7L I5 already makes 220 lb-ft @ 2200 rpm, and a little more pedal gives me 20 more at 5600.

With Adventure package gearing, the I5's torque curve isn't a limitation offroad. So if I have to trade most of my HP and high end torque to gain 40 ft-lbs of torque at the bottom end, it's probably not worth it. Maybe if it was just my weekend wheeling toy, but not as a daily driver.

[-=Mac=-]

According to their info, it makes 168 HP @ 4000 rpm and 258 ft-lbs @ 1800 rpm.
Thanks for the wiki-link!

To my consideration, these stats aren't a problem for a daily driver unless most of your driving is on highways. Mine isn't. All that torque is available while you're tooling around town or when crawling over rocks. If anything, that extra torque would make the H3 a better vehicle for both town and offroad.

As far as for highway duty, it would take a big dose of hp to overcome the brick-like aerodynamics we all love. Besides... who needs a speeding ticket?

-Mac

[Hunner]

When Im not playing in my H3, I drive a Dodge Cummins 3/4 ton diesel, what noise? huh? I have doubled the HP and torque. It's a six cylinder. Still, if you want to blast off you have to hold the brake and wait for it to build up boost and then launch!! ha ha
A baby diesel in a H3 would not have that all American throttle response. Like why some people had to have a V-8.Offroading it would seem to not be as responsive without reving up too much. I have seen some H1's and on rocky obstacles on hills they have to get wound up pretty good to build torque. On the highway Im not sure it would satisfy the American heavyfoot species. If you think the I-5 is sluggish............lets see dual turbos, nah they still have to spool up $$$
With the mods I have done my I-5 performs lots better.

[Spuds]

I just finished working on projects to upgrade and expand several low sulfur diesel facilities here on the Gulf Coast. This newly refined diesel will contain 50 ppm sulfur compared to 500 ppm in the previous type. It will have a big effect in decreasing pollutants from buses and large trucks.

Clean diesel engine technology is the wave of the future. They are clean, quiet, torquey, with 30% better fuel economy and much simpler technology than hybrids. These are not your Father's diesels. Europe has been on this clean diesel for several years already and the Germans have literally millions of miles of proven on the road usage. The Japanese are gearing up for clean diesel engine production as well.

Ford and GM seem to be acting like if they ignore this issue, it will go away. I sure hope they don't get left behind on this one.

[-=Mac=-]

I traded a Dodge 3/4 ton 4X4 w. Cummins turbo-diesel for my H3... and my wife's Volksdragon TDI has the old 1.9 litre turbo-diesel with a 5 speed.

Better fuel economy... less emissions... huge torque... win, win, win!

-Mac

[trailerpup]

http://www.katu.com/news/7561002.html

[wpage]

Why not harness the atom and use that power to be ahead of the curve of petrochemical depletion. But seriously with technology advancing at the rate it is who knows what engine options will be there when you are ready to trade/upgrade your H3...:beerchug: Stay tuned certainly the General is:jump: