My h2 and water

[Swoffy]

On the weekend i got into a pissing match with a friend and his jeep.
long story short we got a little competition going and the first event we choose ended up neither of us completing the water/hill.
i added 37" baja claws to my rig. My question is, i had my truck in water just over the tires, should i be expecting problems?
here's a link to the video taken....
http://www.badthumper.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=136
Truck was working just fine until today at idle i feel a few thuds?
kinda weird......
any input would be great thanks......
Sorry but i cant stand the the jeeps better than the hummer thing so i wheel my rig to the extreme to show its capabilities......

[usetosellhummer]

couple of rules with water. If you comit you must blow and go not stop and go back and fourth. You caused the water to come back on you and get a little high. You may want to get things checked out.

[Swoffy]

Any direction on the things i should be checking?
on heard these two quick thuds...........all seems fine besides that...

-check rear diff?
anything else?

[Desert Dan]

37" deep water is pretty deep

I'd check the diffs to see if they have any water in them. If the do get the flushed and refilled.

[Swoffy]

diffs or diff?
only have rear diff to check correct?
Any quick way to check rear diff?

[timgco]

thuds? where?

[Captain of the Titanic]

Com'on guys... Did no one learn from my mistakes...

When Hummer says 24" water depth they mean it. add an inch for the 37s...

If the water comes in, which it will, it shorts out everything. One of the main processors is on the floor under the passenger seat.

I know. I had water up to the seat cushion on the passenger side of my previous Hummer, an H3, and it shorted out everything to the point where my insurance company totalled it.

Also, just for your info, if you are going to do this again:

1. hit the hill with some momentum
2. hit it a little to the left or right, then steer across it. You won't be in the holes that way.
3. Make sure you are locked and in low 4.
4. You forgot to cover the jeep with mud as you went by.
5. Why are you slumming with jeeps, anyway?
6. Don't publish your failures, only your successes. I want to see you make that hill, not puss out! :twak: :twak:

Anyway, be careful. A dead Hummer is a terrible thing....

[Swoffy]

lmao!!
ok well i got no water inside, so thats a good thing....

I complete a task 90% of the time... just got a little timid on this one with the depth of water thats all... skid plate was hitting hard!!
just for a piece of mind......i have already completed this water/hill last year...

as for the jeeps........ill wheel with anyone!
Hummerman always gives a good show!!!!
Here is a good video of me working the humbug (my trucks name) real hard!!!

http://www.badthumper.com/videos/parttwo.wmv (http://www.badthumper.com/videos/parttwo.wmv)

Have several cool vids of me working this hummer hard!!!

[Desert Dan]

Swoffy
If you have 4x4 you have 2 diffs to check (front and rear)

If you have water in them I would also check your trans and t-case.

[Swoffy]

hmmmm........
well i got IFS on the front... its a H2

hope i dont sound stupid......but wouldnt the only diff be in the back?

of course it i only have one.............

dont confuse me.......i get confused easy u know..........:beerchug:

[usetosellhummer]

Your sounding stupid bro, the big pumkin in the front is the front diff and they blow up if you pop your H2 hard. get both flushed at the dealer or if you wan tto go cheap a goo shop or Jiffy lube can do it just watch them to make sure they re-fill correctly. Your learning

[timgco]

lmao!!

as for the jeeps........ill wheel with anyone!
Hummerman always gives a good show!!!!
Here is a good video of me working the humbug (my trucks name) real hard!!!

http://www.badthumper.com/videos/parttwo.wmv (http://www.badthumper.com/videos/parttwo.wmv)

Have several cool vids of me working this hummer hard!!!

more vids!!!

That one looked like fun! Since you're into that kind of wheelin, I'd throw a set of HD tierods on there before you snap one in a mud hole!!!!

Who's the ugy video'ing in your last link! You should have sprayed his a$$ with mud for the "Here's a HUMMER going to get stuck" comment.

[Swoffy]

Your sounding stupid bro, the big pumkin in the front is the front diff and they blow up if you pop your H2 hard. get both flushed at the dealer or if you wan tto go cheap a goo shop or Jiffy lube can do it just watch them to make sure they re-fill correctly. Your learning

Got ya......ill be ok

well maybe not........
is there a easy way to check for water?
just had them changed and flushed last year....
:crying:

[timgco]

Got ya......ill be ok

well maybe not........
is there a easy way to check for water?
just had them changed and flushed last year....
:crying:

With the mud and water you've been running through, it's time to do it again. It's way cheaper than replacing those diffs. ;)

[Adam in CO]

diffs or diff?
only have rear diff to check correct?
Any quick way to check rear diff?

Seriously?

You don't know that there is a front diff?

[Swoffy]

honestly no i didnt........

:twak:

If i needed to know the parts list inside and out i would have bought a jeep.......:) :) :)

[working Hummer]

More cool vids!:popcorn:

[Desert Dan]

Swoffy

When they are flushing your diffs (2) have them rotate the air in your tires too:)

When gear oil is mixed with water it foams up and looses it's lubricating properties and can rust the parts inside the diffs.. Not Good.

I try to stay out of water past the recomended fording depth

[Swoffy]

Is it ok to rotate the air in the front tires with the back tires?

[ROX]

If water didn't get inside and you heard two quick pops after hitting the skid plate real hard chances are it was the rear diff touching down in two different spots. The front diff is covered by the skid plate, its the thing that makes the front axel turn, FYI. :)

[Swoffy]

actually it was a few days after this water hole event i heard these two thuds.........i pulled upto a light and heard them at idle and havent heard them since........ sounded similar to when a engines misses.....

water in the gas maybe?

[Swoffy]

http://www.badthumper.com/videos/partone.wmv

another vid of me and the water!!!

feeling like a fish

[RuggedH2]

Wow.

Ok, obviously you don't know very much about how four wheel drive works.

I predict even more damage in the future. :D

It's cool you are wheeling the rig, but if you don't know how it works, you WILL find out.

[mikejr]

swoffy....just be aware of the fact that the air intake to your engine is bascially about 3 inches from the level of the water you were in and had you gotten any deeper or a wake from your passing through the water came up higher you would have ruined your engine. Like others have said....Hummer gives you a max ford depth...if you go deeper things are going to happen.....and those things aint cheap to fix.

Its a Hummer....which means its very capable off road, but it does have its limitations...

Great vid by the way.

[Swoffy]

more damage......
well thats fine to........maybe thats why i posted a question here?

anyways ....... i actually wheel mine unlike most !!!
i dont loose sleep over it either!!!

if it breaks it breaks............just wanted a heads up here to possibly catch some damage before it happens.......

[Swoffy]

swoffy....just be aware of the fact that the air intake to your engine is bascially about 3 inches from the level of the water you were in and had you gotten any deeper or a wake from your passing through the water came up higher you would have ruined your engine. Like others have said....Hummer gives you a max ford depth...if you go deeper things are going to happen.....and those things aint cheap to fix.

Its a Hummer....which means its very capable off road, but it does have its limitations...

Great vid by the way.

Thanks,
i wondered where the intake was........
ill change the fluid and stay outa the deep water for the future......
seems i may have gotten lucky :)

[mikejr]

When you tip up your hood, look on the passenger side above the front wheel and you will see where the air intake is. Now compare that to the first video that you had on the post and you will see on the drivers side where the water level was...like i said...inches away from damage.

Just know the machine and its limits and you will be fine if you dont exceed those limits by too much.....In the immortal words of Dirty Harry...
"A man's got to know his limitations"

[Swoffy]

thanks for the advice mike......

how about a do it yourself for all these fluids?

be sweet if i could change myself so i could do more often.......
i seem to get into water and mud often during the summer months:beerchug:

i also thought at one point i got a little bog from the motor in that water........ is it possible to take in a bit of water with no damage?

[mikejr]

well one can do most anything oneself if they have the knowledge and tools. Lots of great people on this site with way more mechanical know how than me...ask around I am sure they'll help you out with that question.

I really dont know what the tolerance of the H2's engine is with respect to water getting into it. I would suspect that it isnt going to tolerate too much water.

[Swoffy]

Its runninng fine except them two little thuds i heard today......
ill change the fluids and see what happens........
maybe a grand master will read this and give me further idea's or suggestions to look into.....
either way...... the trails await me!!!

[mikejr]

you didnt happen to run over a Prius today...that might have been the thuds.....LOL

[Swoffy]

lol......

getting fluilds done on saturday morning.......

:excited:

[mikejr]

well I gotta sign off here....have a few more hours of work this evening....much to do before we leave for vacation!

Enjoy the wheeling and stay dry

Mike

[DrG]

After reading this thread, I'm curious. If you suspect water in the diffs, is there a way to check it for sure? Does the diff lube and the water seperate to the point you can drain the water out the bottom or is flushing the only option?
Also I see the hummer website says 20" is the max depth for a H2 in water. Is that generally what you guys limit it to? So far, all my offroading has been rocks and trails, haven't had much mud yet.
I generally don't take my H2 in for service, I want to do it myself, if possible. My service rep told me that I'm the only H2 owner he knows of that changes his own oil. I thought that was odd.
David

[jmsspratlin]

After reading this thread, I'm curious. If you suspect water in the diffs, is there a way to check it for sure? Does the diff lube and the water seperate to the point you can drain the water out the bottom or is flushing the only option?
Also I see the hummer website says 20" is the max depth for a H2 in water. Is that generally what you guys limit it to? So far, all my offroading has been rocks and trails, haven't had much mud yet.
I generally don't take my H2 in for service, I want to do it myself, if possible. My service rep told me that I'm the only H2 owner he knows of that changes his own oil. I thought that was odd.
David



Very odd indeed. I try to do a majority of the work myself as well.

[algy]

My H3 Water Story in the thread below:

In short, I had my rear diff, and the whole backend of my truck under water for over 30 minutes, much longer than you. My damage was water seeped into the gas tank solenoid valve, located on top of the tank putting it above the 24" fording depth for the H3. The water contaminated my system so I staled out and was deadlined. The oil weight in the diffs are very heavy and are designed to keep out water, I had the dealer check during my repairs and reported them to be in good condition.

I think if you had water in your truck you'd know. If you've already pushed a tank of fuel through it, I'd say that's not your problem. Go ahead and run a cleaner through it just in case.

Did you check your air filter after battle.. was is moist/damp?

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27492

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1169/525428650_3ff6f60eeb_b.jpg

[Agriv8r]

great vids and stories....think maybe a couple of you need boats....

[Steve - SanJose]

That boat don't float.

[pteam]

Com'on guys... Did no one learn from my mistakes...

When Hummer says 24" water depth they mean it. add an inch for the 37s...

If the water comes in, which it will, it shorts out everything. One of the main processors is on the floor under the passenger seat.

I know. I had water up to the seat cushion on the passenger side of my previous Hummer, an H3, and it shorted out everything to the point where my insurance company totalled it.

Also, just for your info, if you are going to do this again:

1. hit the hill with some momentum
2. hit it a little to the left or right, then steer across it. You won't be in the holes that way.
3. Make sure you are locked and in low 4.
4. You forgot to cover the jeep with mud as you went by.
5. Why are you slumming with jeeps, anyway?
6. Don't publish your failures, only your successes. I want to see you make that hill, not puss out! :twak: :twak:

Anyway, be careful. A dead Hummer is a terrible thing....

Yea Captain you should know about too much water + hummer = death.

Also looking back now, arnt you pretty pissed about everybody calling you an AE in your sinking thread?

[Captain of the Titanic]

Yea Captain you should know about too much water + hummer = death.

Also looking back now, arnt you pretty pissed about everybody calling you an AE in your sinking thread?


Yep... All I've tried to do is make sure that no one else knows the joy of a dead Hummer.

I still don't know why my H3 took on water so quickly. Maybe is was the angle is was at putting torque on the door seals. All I know I was is was in the water for 2 minutes or less while my buddy rush up, hooked up a strap and got me out.

Oh Well. I wouldn't have known the joys of a H2 if I had not killed my H3!!!