05 Touch Screen Nav ???

[Bevo]

Klaus/PartsGuy,
Any luck on locating and installing the TNR? I cant seem to locate it for purchase via the 15120706 p#

[Bevo]

Klaus/PartsGuy,
Any luck on locating and installing the TNR? I cant seem to locate it for purchase via the 15120706 p#

[Bevo]

Klaus/PartsGuy,
Any luck on locating and installing the TNR? I cant seem to locate it for purchase via the 15120706 p#

[Klaus]

Bevo,

Do NOT buy part number 15120706 for your 2003 H2. That part number is for the 2005 (and possibly late 2004) H2s. I am working on this now.

The Bose amps were changed in mid 2004 to a lower grade model. 2003s have the "LUX" amp, just like the Cadillac Escalades. The later 2004s and the 2005s have the "premium" Bose system. You can tell the difference my the audio selections available on your radio. If your audio selections include "Normal, Driver, Rear, and Spacious" you have the "LUX" amp. If your selections include "Custom" you have the "premium" amp.

This is important, as the 2005 Hummer has the "premium" amp. The TNR for the "premium" amp vehicles appears to be different than for the "LUX" amp vehicles. Picking the wrong combination appears to not work (no audio).

The 2005 Escalade appears to have the TNR and "LUX" amp combination.

[Bevo]

Klaus,
Thanks for the heads up... I do have the "Lux" amp. I would like to replace the stock 6 disc head unit with the TNR and XM. Any halp on P#'s and instructions would be appreciated.

[PARAGON]

Just saw this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7931469565&category=38653

[PARAGON]

Is it TNR or INR.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Delphi Entertains Consumers at CESAt its CES exhibit (Las Vegas Convention Center, North Hall, Booth #7113), Delphi will showcase the latest technologies available for in-vehicle entertainment and connectivity. The company will also demonstrate several future products.

"From the time radio was integrated into vehicles, consumers have craved entertainment and information while commuting and Delphi has been a leader in meeting that demand," said Dave Wohleen, president, Electronics & Mobile Communication Sector, Delphi Automotive Systems. "This year, we are showing the latest Delphi innovations to bring the newest products like satellite radio, rear-seat DVD playback, voice-controlled navigation, wireless Internet access, and wireless networks to consumers."

TECHNOLOGY HIGHLIGHT - 802.11a
Delphi will be the first company to publicly demonstrate new uses for wireless data networks. On a specially equipped vehicle, Delphi will show how licensed video, audio files and other data are seamlessly transmitted between the vehicle and homes, offices and other future provider sources.

Specifically, in a demonstration developed with Intel Corporation, Delphi will use the IEEE 802.11a wireless networking standard to transfer video files from a home or office environment to a vehicle equipped with Delphi's rear- seat entertainment electronics.

"Delphi is aggressively researching and developing products and systems to ensure that the day when you can fill up your gas tank and download the latest DVD release for a long road trip isn't far off," said Wohleen. "At CES, we don't only want to show what's available to consumers today; we want to give them a glimpse of what connectivity and entertainment options are coming -- soon."

TECHNOLOGY HIGHLIGHT - MOBILE PRODUCTIVITY SYSTEMS
Delphi Aftermarket Operations, with MobileAria, the pioneer in True Hands Free(TM) productivity services, will introduce its line of sophisticated Communiport(R) Mobile Productivity Systems that allow wireless access to Internet information via MobileAria's service.

The systems will give drivers hands-free voice access to a laptop, Bluetooth(TM) mobile phone and MobileAria's array of information services.

The systems are currently being used in the San Francisco Bay Area and are expected to be available in the retail market later this year.

TECHNOLOGY HIGHLIGHT - SATELLITE DIGITAL AUDIO RECEIVER SERVICE
With the launch of satellite radio, Delphi is showing the first production satellite receiver technology.

Delphi's Satellite Digital Audio Receivers will be shown on several original equipment applications in Delphi's exhibit. Delphi was the first to attain OEM manufacturing contracts to provide receivers for both competing satellite signals. Satellite radio provides coast-to-coast broadcast of more than 100 stations of digital-quality music, news and entertainment for a monthly fee. With satellite radio, subscribers can listen to their favorite programs without the station fading to static as they travel.

The company is expected to make several business announcements regarding contracts to provide satellite radio receivers for various OEM customers.

TECHNOLOGY HIGHLIGHT - INTEGRATED NAVIGATION RADIO
Delphi's Integrated Navigation Radio (INR) that was first introduced on Cadillac's all new CTS, will be featured on several vehicles at the Delphi stand.

As the market for on-board navigation grows, Delphi is pursuing the development of technologies that meet demand for voice-controlled route guidance. Delphi's demonstration will show how its systems can be configured to meet various customer specifications. Delphi will also show retail versions of the INR.

For more information about Delphi Automotive Systems, please visit Delphi's Virtual Press Room at http://www.delphiauto.com/vpr .


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Klaus]

The INR is the 2004 NAV unit (Integrated Navigation Radio - what I have now).

The TNR is the 2005 NAV unit (Touchscreen Navigation Radio)

[PARAGON]

Ok, thanks. I didn't realize the difference when I was trying to look it up.

[Bevo]

Klaus,
Saw your posts on the Avalanche site. I realize that you are in the process of verifying and I'll wait until you do. I do have a question about the Onstar XM antenna. Will it work with the new TNR HU and do we still have to purchase the GPS antenna? If it does work, what is the P# for it?:

So if I followed along, this would be the requisite P#'s if I wanted to do TNR and XM:

10377531
Power Radio Antenna Module
2004-2005 nav unit

12498768
Add on XM player for 2003-2004 trucks

10390370
DISC-NAVN DATA

15135178
Power Radio Antenna Module (GPS Antenna)

Also, are you aware of any GM multidisc CD players that are mp3 compatible that will work with this setup?

[Klaus]

Bevo,

Those part numbers look good. HOWEVER - I have not done the TNR yet. No guarantees!

You still need to buy the GPS antenna for the NAV.

I can't recommend the 2005 antenna for XM. The wiring/connectors are completely different between the 2003 and 2005 H2s. Besides, the XM kit comes with an XM antenna. If your 2003 has a sunroof, you might want to use an aftermarket magnetic/stick-on XM antenna. They are not very expensive. The other option would be to buy and install the 2005 AM/FM antenna, and mount the antenna from the XM kit where the 2003 factory AM/FM antenna is located on the roof.

I'm not aware of any GM MP3 player, but they might exist.

[Klaus]

I just ordered the TNR. I should have it by the end of the week, and if so, can install it this weekend.

More later... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[RADIOMAN_NYC]

If you guys want something realy cool, I just converted my "05" TNR unit to operate with my rear view backup camera (automatic when car is put into reverse) as well as hooked it up to my DVD player, damn good quality video screen too, suprised the **** out of me, I thought it would only be so,so video, but its great. There are a couple of people making and installing units, but this one is the "real deal"
http://www.navwithtv.com/

[hummer17]

How does it work?

Do you have to hit some little relay switch under the dash or does it use a button on the factory unit?

How about for rear view?

Show some pictures...

[Klaus]

Well, the TNR was delivered! They shipped it overnight.

Time to take the truck apart again this weekend!

[PARAGON]

What part number did you order and where from? I know you will post this info when your are done but I was just curious.

[Klaus]

Let me test it before I keep publishing the part number.

It was expensive, but still a little less than a used one recently sold for on ebay! And that one needed to be unlocked at a dealer. I bought mine from an ACDelco Distributor.

More info to follow...

[H2Chuck]

Klaus,

Please let me know if you dont mind when you have all the P#'s and info to change out the factory 6 disc changer to the touch creen navigator in my 03 H2.I would be very appreciative to say the least.I am new to this so if i have left any info out please let me know ,,Thanks

[Klaus]

H2Chuck,

My project has been delayed a few days... I hope to post good news next week!

[Klaus]

The 2005 TNR Touchscreen Navigation works fine in my 2003. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Dan]

Good job Klaus!!!

[hummer17]

Klaus,

Does it still work with your 6 CD changer?

[Klaus]

Yes, it works fine. See picture 2 on page one of this thread.

[Klaus]

BTW - I suspect this CD Changer will work in the H2:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-djhcAv7xRCP/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=65500&id=detailed_info&i=581G7I

[HummMe]

Klaus how did you hook up xm? Do you have a GM tuner or an aftermarket one?

[Klaus]

I used the factory GM XM Kit. PM your email address, and I'll send you my install doc.

[hummer17]

Klaus,

Thanks - that is awesome.

By the way, I know you've mentioned it, but where did you put your OnStar with the CD changer in its place?

Also - one final challenge for you:

Get an iPod to work with this setup...even better if you can get it to somehow display the track name on the Nav (perhaps through a CD-changer interface or otherwise)...

You da man...

[Klaus]

Hummer17,

I junked the OnStar. However, the easiest thing to do is to mount a different "magazine" type changer (like the one I posted the link to earier in this thread) somewhere in the truck (it comes with a 16ft cable). Then you would not have to do anything with your OnStar at all.

I have thought about a "Digital Music" connection. I wouldn't buy a specialized adapter to work with an iPod, or any other player. I don't want to get locked into a certain brand. Instead, I'd buy this adapter that gives you a standard RCA input:

SVG-707 General Motors Class-II Auxilary Input Adapter (http://www.discountcarstereo.com/detail.aspx?ID=617)

I don't own, nor have I tested this adapter, but it is the one I would buy.

BTW - The same company that sells the AUX adapter also sells the magazine changer:

USASpec SCD-G7i 2002-Up GM 6-disc Changer (http://www.discountcarstereo.com/detail.aspx?ID=647)

[PARAGON]

I had the second highest bid on Ebay for a 2005 TNR navigation radio and the six disc changer. This would be the same setup as Klaus.

The winning bidder didn't follow through and the seller has contacted me for me to buy at my bid amount, $1426

You can see the item here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5730917270

PM me with your email address and I will forward your email to the seller. I made other arrangements after the bidding closed and now don't need it.

[HummMe]

Klaus- thanks for the email nice job. I am however confused as to which touch screen unit I can use in my 03 h2. It came with the factory in dash 6 disc Bose system. I seen this one- 05 hummer nav (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7936081910&category=38653) -and was wondering if this is the right one? I am getting the itch to make this mod but dont want to blow this much coin on something that might not work. Any help is appreciated. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Klaus]

If you have the Radio with Six-Disc CD, here's how to tell whether you have the Y91 LUX Amp, or the Non-Y91 Non-LUX Amp.

Press the AUTO EQ (Automatic Equalization) button.

If your choices include NORMAL, DRIVER, REAR, and SPACIOUS, you have the Y91, LUX Amp.

If your choices include CUSTOM or TALK, you have the Non-Y91, Non-LUX Amp.

Here are the TNR part numbers:

Y91 LUX - Part Number: 10377531

Non-Y91, Non-LUX - Part Number: 10377287


You must select the proper TNR for the Amp installed in your truck, or you will not get any audio. So far, all 2003s have the Y91, LUX Amp, 2004s may have either Amp (switchover during the model year), and 2005s have the Non-Y91, Non-LUX Amp. The Y91 LUX Amp communicates via the GM Class 2 Databus, while the Non-Y91, Non-LUX Amp does not. The LUX Amp has DSP.

[HummMe]

Ok so I have the lux y91, if p/n 10377531 only works with y91 amps what vehicle might I find a used one from? Because if i am understanding this correctly no 05 Hummer has the y91 amp, right? And 04/03 hummers didnt have TNR monitors. Thanks again.

[Klaus]

Correct. No 2003s came with Navigation, 2004s came with the INR (joystick) Navigation, and the 2005s come with the TNRs.

You should really insist on knowing the part number of the NAV unit in question.

It appears that Cadillac Escalades all have the LUX Amp. HOWEVER - Verify the part number before buying!

[HummMe]

Thanks Klaus.

[H2ummer]

I just called the Hummer dealer in Richmond and asked if they could get the TNR, PN 10377531 for my 03 H2. He says the part number is not any good. Since this is the number that most are using, what gives? Is this guy just wrong? Or is there a GM Delco distributor that I should try.
Thanks,
Wendell

[Klaus]

The NAV unit cannot be bought at the dealer. You can only get them from ACDelco distributors. Two of them are:

http://www.specmo.com

http://modelelectronicsinc.com/home.htm

I bought mine from the second link (Model). Beware that these places are not keen on selling to individuals, so their prices are all over the map when you call.

[H2ummer]

Thanks Klaus,
I was able to order the TNR from Model without to many problems. It is on back order now, but should be in to them in the next day or two.
They said the did not carry the XM module or the disc. I called Specmo and they say only dealers can get those items. I will be at the Hummer dealer near me tomorrow and will talk to them about getting the XM module and disc. Any other thoughts? Thanks, Wendell

[H2Chuck]

Klaus, When you installed TNR did you happen to take any pics of the VSS and the pin out/in on instrument cluster or do you have the info for that if you hooked it up and did the wire come with it ?

[Klaus]

H2ummer,

It is really amazing to watch those ACDelco distributors. The last person that tried to buy one from them had no luck with Model, but had success with Specmo. Go figure...

The XM Radio Kit, GPS Antenna, and the NAV DVD are GM parts and can be ordered from the dealer, GMPartsDirect.com, or even through "partsguy" here on the site (he works at a dealership). Here are the part numbers:

12498768 - XM Radio Kit

10390370 - NAV DVD Disc

15135178 - NAV GPS Antenna

Be aware that GMPartsDirect.com's shipping is expensive, and their return policy is bad (special order items cannot be returned). See if "partsguy" here can give you a better price. He's helped me out in the past.


H2Chuck,

Sorry, I didn't take pictures when I connected the VSS, as I did it when I installed the CD Changer. I'll try to get you more info on that, however. If you are not doing the Changer, I'd still order the Changer Cable, GM part number 15312903. Two of the wires are not used on this cable when adding a Changer to the H2, so they can be cut off. The wire with the connector can then be added to the radio connector for the VSS.

[H2Chuck]

Ok Thanks Klaus if you can get the info just e-mail and again i appreciate it !

[H2ummer]

Thanks Klaus.
I think you used the GPS antenna from your Onstar System. Is the 15135178 model, from the 2005 Hummer and just the GPS antenna and not part of Onstar?
Also, once you install the TNR, do you have to have the dealer program your VIN into it?

Wendell

[Klaus]

Wendell,

From the factory, the NAV system has its own GPS antenna, mounted in the dash. From the factory, the OnStar GPS and the NAV GPS are separate units.

Remember, I was one of the first to do this setup. If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably just add a magazine type changer and mount it in the console or under the seat, saving the OnStar. It would have been a lot easier!

About the Theftlock... When a new radio is installed, the first time it is powered up, it "learns" the VIN of the vehicle. After that, each time it is powered up, it compares VIN of the current vehicle with the "learned" VIN number. If they don't match, the unit displays "Theftlock Activated" and will not power up. Therefore, if you buy a new unit, just plug it in and you are good to go. However, if you buy a used unit, you will have to get a dealer connect his Tech2 tool to command the radio to "relearn" the VIN from the current vehicle.

[H2ummer]

Thanks Klaus. I just sent Partsguy a PM.
Were did you put the XM module? I currently have my Pioneer XM module under the rear seat. I suppose I could put it there.

[Klaus]

H2ummer,

The factory XM Kit Tuner is mounted behind the glovebox. PM your email address to me, and I'll send my install doc to you.

[H2ummer]

Great. You have a PM.
Happy Thanksgiving.

Got it. Looks great Klaus.

Wendell

[H2 Passion]

Hi,

I have the 04-H2 Non-Lux amp.
i have 6 cd changer and i want to replace it with the 03 or 04 DVD screen navigator from the dealer. I am not using the on-start service, So i want to add the 6 CD Changer from the Escalade in the OnStar location.

I like to know also if the new 05-Navigator has DVD feature, if not, which one is the latest and suitable DVD navigator to buy.

I need to know what parts i need and how to do it.

I remember that i saw in this forum someone did this installation but i wasn't able to find it again.

Any help, pls ?

Elie

[LasVegas]

Just do a find for Nav and Klaus. He's about covered all the basis on Nav/cd/xm including p/n's, etc.

[Black2003H2]

Klause,
On line 12 of the Factory XM installation document it refers to unplugging the power & ground wires from the 12-pin connector & attaching directly to the posts? Is this a correct interpration because in the following instructions, we are instructed to attach these wires directly into the 4-pin harness connector. Can you clarify how/where the power wires go?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
I used the factory GM XM Kit. PM your email address, and I'll send you my install doc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Klaus]

What you are doing is removing the wires/pins from the connector, and replacing them with wires/pins from the harness that comes with the XM Kit.

The pins have a release catch that will allow you to pull the pin/wire out of the connector when depressed. I used a small jeweler's screwdriver. Take a look at the pins on the XM harness to get an idea how it works.

The wires/pins that you removed from the factory connector will be reinstalled in the 4-pin connector supplied in the kit in step 14.


Clear as mud, right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[RJD]

Hi,

Just recently joined the forum after reviewing the discussion topics for some months. Great info!!!

I have some questions on upgrading my factory in dash Radio with six disc CD to the 05 TNR, specifically Part 10377287 for an 04 H2, with Y91 Bose NON LUX Amp. I have searched through the 05 Touch Screen Nav discussion and cannot find these questions asked or answered in the past. I would appreciate if anyone who has performed the upgrade could answer the following questions:

1. Is the volume level of the vehicle's chimes still controlled by the 05 TNR as it currently is with the six disc CD Radio?
2. Are the Radio station presets still retained in memory (Vehicle Personalization) for each driver (Driver 1 & 2) when upgrading to the 05 TNR?
3. When setting preset stations with the 05 TNR, (as with the factory six CD whenever you press a numbered pushbutton, the station you set will return and the equalization that you selected will be automatically stored for that pushbutton and for that driver) will the same be true and the equalization be retained for each driver's selection?.

Thanks,
RJD

[md_sailor]

I need Help! I have the Equipment but dont know where to mount the Nav antenna?

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by md_sailor:
I need Help! I have the Equipment but dont know where to mount the Nav antenna? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What year H2 do you have and exactly what equipment are you installing? The nav antenna is mounted under the dash plastic but has to be altered to work if you're installing in '03 or early '04 with Lux amp.

[md_sailor]

I have a Loaded '03 with y91 Lux Package. I have the '05 Touch screen, Under dash Antenna and v3.0 Disc. I dont know were to mount the Antenna under the dash. Another Note...Does anyone have the Tech 2 procedure for clearing the codes? I went to 3 different GM dealerships today and they all looked at me like I had two heads? Does anyone know if there is a Site with exploded views of the Dash? I got it half way apart and ran into a brick wall on getting it open far enough to acces forward under the dash? Guys ...thanks in advance for helping a newbie out here!

[LasVegas]

Here's a link to download Klaus' install instructions for your '03. Klaus install (http://www.elcova.com/h2/2003H2GMNavigationInstall.pdf) I mounted my antenna a little further forward than Klaus for better reception & here's a link to that install. See the antenna location. LasVegas install (http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/6706011751/m/709104869/r/709104869#709104869) Do you have a new Nav or has it been installed previously? If new, you don't have to worry about it. If it has been previously installed you'll have to get anti theft lock cleared by a dealer.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by md_sailor:
I have a Loaded '03 with y91 Lux Package. I have the '05 Touch screen, Under dash Antenna and v3.0 Disc. I dont know were to mount the Antenna under the dash. Another Note...Does anyone have the Tech 2 procedure for clearing the codes? I went to 3 different GM dealerships today and they all looked at me like I had two heads? Does anyone know if there is a Site with exploded views of the Dash? I got it half way apart and ran into a brick wall on getting it open far enough to acces forward under the dash? Guys ...thanks in advance for helping a newbie out here! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>In case you didn't see the just posted thread:

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/6706011751/m/5131087311

[captdan27]

I have the touch screen Nav w/ XM, while I love the setup, I would like to make a couple of modifications to the user interface. First, when the radio is in nav mode, and you change the XM station it gives a popup window w/ station info. Is there anyway to get it to also give title and artist info? Is it possible to get the radio to give a popup w/ title and artist info everytime a new song comes on? Basically I'd like to glance over and see this instead of having to press the XM soft button everytime a new song comes on, or leaving it in XM display mode (the bright blue is distracting at night). any help is appreciated.

[wch3]

klaus,

I couldn't download the rest of this thread on your installing the 05 TNR. I want to install the same with XM radio, although I prefer Sirius, and add a connection for my ipod. I can do without the 6-disc changer as the ipod has all my cds on it.

What the part numbers that I need to order everything I need and what's the best source for items -- price wise and service?

Thanks for the assistance.

WCH3

[Klaus]

The best place for one stop shopping is JP Customs:

http://www.jpcustoms.com/store/customer/home.php

They sell everything you'll need.

[wch3]

Klaus,

Thanks. One stop shopping makes it easier. How does his prices compare to GM Parts Guy or the distributors? Service quality?

Your suggestions?

Thanks.

William

[redbulljunkie67]

I agree with klaus! I had my TNR,ipod adaptor and screens installed by JPCustoms and I do not have any complaints.I have the stock look and retained the steering wheel controls.

[FiremanJay]

Klaus, Awesome job on the touch screen nav. I am new to the hummer world just picked up an '03 with the lux 6disk changer. ia there a way to ad a dvd player and a back up camera to that set up you just did.
Thanks

[FiremanJay]

Klaus thanks for the link
http://www.jpcustoms.com/store/customer/home.php
i ordered the complete system for my h2 it will be by friday looking forward to the install
Jason from jp customs was very helpfull and informative. i will use that company again

and if any one can tell me how to post a link i would be gratefull

[JMVH2]

I have mine from JPCustoms and I love it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif, I also added the 6 CD cganger

[FiremanJay]

just installed the nav system, 6 disc cahanger, and visuallogic in dash dvd player purchased it all from Jason at http://www.jpcustoms.com he was very helpfull and informative.
installed 3 small switches in the open slot under the tow switch. 1 for complete use of the nav features while diving, 1 for the overide to play dvd's through the nav unit and the other for a reverse camera ( to be purchased at a later date)to allow use during driving.
will post pics as soon as i can take some
thanks folks for all your help
especially Klaus
Jay