New Torsion Bars

[trailerpup]

When I got home from work yesterday, I had 2 long skinny packages waiting for me. They are the Sway-A-Way Torsion Bars that I ordered from SamCo Fab through a group buy. Looks like I'll be putting them on today or tomorrow and cranking up the front. Should I have just any old place do the alignment on the H3, or am I looking for a place with some experience with our rigs? Thanks. Oh, by the way, the new torsion bars are red. I still haven't received the shackles from SamCo, yet. Guess I'll give him a call on Monday.

[6pack]

Red? Well that won't match, my Fox shocks are blue! :twak:

The schakles are black.

Let us know how the install goes. Where are mine!

[trailerpup]

I know!! You have the shackles now, and I have the T-bars now. Looks like we are both looking for the UPS truck to stop by. I'll let you know how the install goes, and put up some pix when I get them installed.

[6pack]

Thanks pup! I look forward to hearing how it goes.

Come on Samco!

[6pack]

I received my bars yesterday. Might get a chance this weekend to install them, we'll see. Did you get your's on Pup? And details...time involved, complexity, any hangups...

[HummBebe]

Sam put mine on last week....you guys are gonna crap when you drive your truck after the install.

It feels so solid now, It just glided over the rocks, and now the back is suuuuuper flexy :D


(http://www.*******club.com/forum/download.php?id=9192)

[HummBebe]

And I have ground clearance for days and days......the only other thing I have to say about my setup.....the Fox shock ROCK. I wish I had done it a long time ago.:D

[usetosellhummer]

wow:jump:

[H3slate]

Thanks for the feedback!! Any more pics of the new setup? Did you do the shackles in the back too?

[HummBebe]

yes, shackles have been on for a while now, with the fox shocks - get them get them get them - it just floats....super sweet:D

[HummBebe]

Here is a couple more:

[HummBebe]

more flexy

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Looks awesome beebs. That's what I call dialed in :beerchug:

[H3slate]

Thanks bebe!!!

[wannabeH3]

where can i look at these"fox shox" i wanna price em out

[H3slate]

How about here. Sam is also our supplier of saw torsion bars and rear shackles.

http://www.samcofabrication.com/products/product_info.php?products_id=48

http://www.samcofabrication.com/products/images/OL140662.jpg

[6pack]

Very nice Bebe. I love the corner ladders, where'd you get them?

[6pack]

Very nice... and expensive! But quality is worth it. They have a lot of nice looking stuff.

[trailerpup]

Torsion Bars and Shackles are on. All the difference in the world. No more brake dive, body roll, and like HB said, they very solid and smooth. Pix to follow. Who's next?

[6pack]

Any hassles along the way? How long did it take you? I have some time tomorrow to do mine (as long as it isn't 100 degrees), but just want to be prepared.

[trailerpup]

Here is how I did it...

My Sway A Way Torsion Bar and Samco Shackle Installation

*This is what I did, it may or may not be correct/dangerous. I am not recommending these instructions be followed. These instructions are strictly for entertainment purposes only!

Tools:
6 Ton hydraulic jack
1/2" breaker bar
Socket set
6 Ton jack stands
Automotive grease
Anti-seize compound

This should be done on a flat, level surface.
Set emergency brake and place chock rear wheels.
Jack front of vehicle to allow suspension to hang at full droop.
Place jack stands under frame rails.
Loosen and remove t-bar adjustment bolts, crescent washers and nuts.
(Count the number of pre-load turns while loosening adjustment bolt)
Slide t-bars toward rear of vehicle removing from the lower a-arm.
Remove pork chops and remove t-bars from vehicle.
Slide new t-bars into lower a-arms and replace pork chops.
(Each bar is stamped L or R. L goes on drivers side)
(Stamped lettering on end of new t-bar goes towards front)
(I put a light coating of automotive grease on each end of new t-bars).
Install adjustment bolts, crescent washers and nuts.
(I put some anti-seize on the adjustment bolt threads)
(Anti-seize = easier to turn adjustment bolts when vehicle is on ground)
Crank pre-load adjustment bolts ~two-thirds the number of turns it took to loosen them).
Lower vehicle to the ground.
Cycle front suspension several times.
Measure from center of wheel bearing nut to lower fender lip.
(I at 24.5 inches right off the bat)
Adjust t-bar adjustment bolts to desired ride height.
(Cycle front suspension after adjusting and before measuring)
(After installing shackles I put it at 23.75 inches)
(The leveling lift kit people are saying go no more than 24.25 inches... and everyone else)
(And, this is the last time I'm gonna say it... YOU DO NOT NEED SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS FOR LEVELING KIT)
Have shop do front end alignment.
Total install time 40 minutes.

Shackle install
Jack rear of vehicle raising rear wheels a couple of inches off the ground.
Place jack stands under frame rails and put chock front wheels.
Loosen lower shock mounting bolt and slide shocks off mounting points.
(I have shock skid plates and Fox gas shocks, it was easier to remove the upper shock bolts)
Loosen ABS lines from clips in rear fender wells.
(If you don't the lines will be stretched, and you don't want to mess them up)
(Also, be aware of the brake lines and how they can stretch if you drop the axle too far)
Disconnect sway bar links from sway bar.
(You probably don't have to do this, the sway bar will rotate in it's bushings. Good for clearance though)
(I have QD's so I just pulled the pins and removed links)
(If you have the stock links, you will need an allen key to put in the end of the bolt to hold it while removing)
Place jack under rear differential.
(I used a small piece of wood between jack and rear differential, don't jack on the cover seam)
Remove shackle mounting bolts and remove shackles from vehicle.
Lower rear differential.
Install new shackles with upper bolts, do not tighten.
Align leaf spring and lower shackle holes and insert bolt, do not tighten.
Lower vehicle to the ground.
Cycle rear suspension.
Torque shackle bolts to spec.
Replace lower shocks, sway bar links, and ABS lines.
Total install time 30 minutes.
(Samco shackles raise the rear approx .75 inches)


Get a beer, or refreshment of your choice.
Get a nice lawn chair.
Place lawn chair 15 to 20 feet from vehicle and open beer.
Sit back, relax, and stare at the vehicles new look.

I don't think I left anything out, and folks will probably add their own opinions and tips. Just be safe. I used a couple extra jack stands... probably overkill.

Also, if the vehicle seems to not want to move when placed in drive/reverse... release emergency brake and remove wheel chocks.

Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.

[Stevenblanca]

I can't believe you guys got me thinking of buying these TB too.:crying: I tought I was done with the truck (Just installed sewie's quick disconnects).

Is the body roll and nose diving really much less? doesn't it have a harsher ride over small bumps? I got cognitos. Would like comment from someone with similar setup?

B.T.W. congrats all. Enjoy it!

[6pack]

Awesome write-up! I plan on getting up early tomorrow to do this. Hopefully it will be nice and cool like it was this morning.

[trailerpup]

No, the ride is not harsher. Yes, the body roll and brake diving are significantly reduced. The ride is solid now, more stable in corners, and a smoother suspension stroke up front. If anything, I would say that the stock t-bars are "harsher." Go figure. With the ride height I am at, the Fox shocks are fine. People who are running at 24.25 inches are stating that the Cognitos are an improvement over the "stock" shocks. Every time I think I am finished with my rig, there is always that one thing that I've always had my eye on. I went ahead and ordered the OEM off road lights for the roof. And, I swore I was never gonna get 'em. :giggling:

[stagger_lee]

Lets see some pics Pup! Looks fabulous Bebes! :beerchug:

[Sewie]

Is the body roll and nose diving really much less? doesn't it have a harsher ride over small bumps? I got cognitos. Would like comment from someone with similar setup?


I've got the new t-bars sitting in the garage. :D I probably won't get around to putting them on until next weekend, but I'll post up my impressions when they're on.

[marin8703]

kewl:popcorn:

[6pack]

What's the torque setting for the shackle bolts?

[trailerpup]

63 lb ft. Don't tighten them until the truck is sitting on the ground... about 2 and 1/2 Oompa's.

[6pack]

OMG! The on-the-road difference is night and day! My biggest reason for getting these was the brake drop and the shift drop. Having a 5 speed, I usually shift around 4,000-4,500 rpm, so I can have some power. When you shift this truck at those rpm's, the nose drops a good 6 inches during the shift (if not more). It's really annoying but with the new bars it has alomost completely disapeared. And the brake drop is almost gone also. It was a very easy install, just as pup described. I adjusted them to be 24.5" and lost about an inch after the first drive. I cranked them back to 24.5" and will check them again later today. Now to get the shackles on!

[trailerpup]

Excellent. Here are some pix, for what they are worth. I never did measure the stock height. Anybody know what it is? Didn't have my camera during the install so, like I said the pix are probably worthless. Next up, exhaust. Anybody have any suggestions. I am looking for stainless, and same exhaust note as stock... probably ain't gonna find that.

[trailerpup]

Shackles, and some other stuff in there.

[trailerpup]

Another angle. I'll get some before and after pictures of the ride height this afternoon. Let's see some pix when your done 6'er.

[6pack]

Pics look good! Very clean looking. Mine is caked with sand from beach wheelin' last week.

Doesn't look like the shackles are getting on today. It's been raining on and off and I don't have a garage, so maybe next weekend. I'll get some pics up later this week. My camera stinks, so I need to grab the one from work.

BTW, the torsion bar adjuster nut is 1-1/16". Atleast that's the socket I used for it. I don't think I've seen that listed anywhere yet.

[HummBebe]

Pics look good! Very clean looking. Mine is caked with sand from beach wheelin' last week.

Doesn't look like the shackles are getting on today. It's been raining on and off and I don't have a garage, so maybe next weekend. I'll get some pics up later this week. My camera stinks, so I need to grab the one from work.

BTW, the torsion bar adjuster nut is 1-1/16". Atleast that's the socket I used for it. I don't think I've seen that listed anywhere yet.

It's actually a 26mm. :D

[Stevenblanca]

It's actually a 26mm. :D

Did the Dutch do it?

"Using my time machine I shall travel back to 1975 (redesign the H3), pick up Goldmember and bring him back to the future. And the best part of this plan is... no one can stop me. Not even... Austin Powers. "

Dr. Evil in Austin power's Gold Member

[H3slate]

Thanks for the write up and pics!! You got me drooling over here. :excited:

[6pack]

I tried to get the shackles on but failed. I started on the drivers side. I undid the shocks, loosened the sway bar, undid the abs clip, jacked her up and took the tire off and undid the stock shackle. I put a jack stand on the frame rail just in front of the forward spring perch. The leaf spring will not release down enough to allow me to line up the spring and shackle bolt holes. The rear of the leaf is pressed up against the frame mounting point. It looks like I need to get the leaf to hang down lower, but how? I gave up and put the stock shackle back on. Which was a pain itself because of the leaf being pressed up against the frame mounting point. Very frustrating. Pup, your write-up made it sound simple, so I must be doing something really wrong. Any ideas?

[Sewie]

Jack it up from the frame, in front of the rear wheel. You need to completely unload the rear suspension. I actually jacked it up from the front spring hanger - but you have to be careful not to bend the hanger. You should have plenty of play to fit the longer shackles.

[6pack]

My jack can't lift it enough using the frame. Damn trucks to tall! That's why I used the bottom of the shock mount. I had it up on stands and there was more room for the axle to drop but it wasn't. There must be something else holding it? I only had one side up. Do both sides need to be up?

[HummBebe]

Your are talking about the shackles?

I dropped my springs all together, there are pics on here somewhere....

[HummBebe]

Here....
http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25826&highlight=extended+shackles

[Sewie]

Your are talking about the shackles?

I dropped my springs all together, there are pics on here somewhere....

Shouldn't be necessary and then you still have the same problem trying to tighten the U-bolts. Trust me, I know firsthand. :mad:

If your jack isn't tall enough, use some blocks of wood to get more height. Or buy a bigger jack. ;) Also, make sure the rear shock is removed.

[Jesus Christ]

Shouldn't be necessary and then you still have the same problem trying to tighten the U-bolts. Trust me, I know firsthand. :mad:

If your jack isn't tall enough, use some blocks of wood to get more height. Or buy a bigger jack. ;) Also, make sure the rear shock is removed.


I did not design her that way. You would kill her. Thy shall not kill.

[6pack]

Thanks guys and girls... and Son of God. I've been thinking of getting a bigger jack and taller jackstands, so maybe I'll try that first.

[Sewie]

Finally got around to installing mine over the weekend. :cool:

Like others have mentioned, the ride is much better. Less body roll and almost no nose dive on braking or lifting when accelerating. And I was expecting the front end to be kind of bouncy, since I don't have the extra weight of a winch (yet), but its not at all. The suspension feels nice and stiff, but not jarring at all. And the install was surprisingly easy.

Definitely a worthwhile upgrade, and my suspension work is done. :clapping:

[H3slate]

Finally got around to installing mine over the weekend. :cool:

Like others have mentioned, the ride is much better. Less body roll and almost no nose dive on braking or lifting when accelerating. And I was expecting the front end to be kind of bouncy, since I don't have the extra weight of a winch (yet), but its not at all. The suspension feels nice and stiff, but not jarring at all. And the install was surprisingly easy.

Definitely a worthwhile upgrade, and my suspension work is done. :clapping:

Thanks for the update on the t bars. I was just thinking about those bad boys today.

[craZybastrd]

So this is probablly the dumbest questions here but I am ew to the H3 and never messed with these torsion bar things. I have always just lifted my trucks. Any advice would be great.

I want to run 35's. Is getting these new torsion bars and shackles from samco better than buying one of the leveling kits? This is alot more money but i plan to keep the hummer for a while and get back into offroading.

Also do I understand that these torsion bars do not require as much cranking as the stock ones. i have heard people saying the have turned them 5+ times to get to that whole 24.25.

[Sewie]

You can fit 35's without doing anything. Don't waste your money on the leveling kits. There is enough adjustment in the stock keys. Upgrading the t-bars isn't really necessary unless you plan on adding a lot of weight to front.

[6pack]

From what I've read, you don't need to do anything to fit the 35's. I like the little bit of extra lift and really like the reduced nose dive that happened when I put the SAW t-bars on. It's a little costly but was very worth it to me. Welcome to Hummer ownership!

[trailerpup]

If I had 250 dollars every time someone bought one of those "leveling" kits, why I'd be...

[moorec614]

How do the rear shackles increase flex?

[trailerpup]

The longer rear shackles add lift and (all things being equal) increase droop. For all the benefits you Sway Bar Disconnects.... and a little longer shock? Hope this helps.

[moorec614]

So without disconnecting the sway bar and buying longer shocks, all these do is lift the rear a little?

[HummBebe]

And travel...to an extent. Your shocks are essentially travel limiters, and so is your bumpstop.