I had a mishap at the gas pump

[fourfourto]

I was filling up on the way back from camping and I had the pump running as I was cleaning windshield(the pump had a lock clip I didnt wedge something in there) and it didnt stop when full and started to overflow all over the back of the truck. It must have put a couple of gallons on the ground.
Then the truck started to run rough and black smoke came out the tailpipe and then it stalled ?(yes I had it running :twak: as I was pumping gas)
It started back up a moment later and alls fine ,I saw a hose next to the office and hosed it down good.I also went inside to tell the guy so he could clean it up and he gave me a look because he had to get off his a$$.I wasnt in the mood to confront him about the couple of gallons I lost ,I was more concerned about hosing down the rig.
If he was pumping and it happened I would of had a $hit fit.

It must have backflowed into vent tube ,also it took a moment to settle down the fill tube.

This had never happend to me even if I wedge something in there, good thing no one was smoking :giggling:

[wannabeH3]

WHO LEAVES THEIR VEHICLE RUNNING WHILE FILLING??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????

[wannabeH3]

you know that gas tank is pressurized right? thats prolly why it stalled... thats why you get a check engine light if you leave the cap off because it cant pressurize... this prolly has something to do with why it overfilled... anyways thats just dangerous man, you always need to turn that thing off.

[wannabeH3]

You coulda been like one of those ali babbas that pours gas on themselves and then lights on fire.... that happened to me once!

[wannabeH3]

one more post just for good measure ;)

[NJ H2]

I was filling up on the way back from camping and I had the pump running as I was cleaning windshield(the pump had a lock clip I didnt wedge something in there) and it didnt stop when full and started to overflow all over the back of the truck. It must have put a couple of gallons on the ground.
Then the truck started to run rough and black smoke came out the tailpipe and then it stalled ?(yes I had it running :twak: as I was pumping gas)
It started back up a moment later and alls fine ,I saw a hose next to the office and hosed it down good.I also went inside to tell the guy so he could clean it up and he gave me a look because he had to get off his a$$.I wasnt in the mood to confront him about the couple of gallons I lost ,I was more concerned about hosing down the rig.
If he was pumping and it happened I would of had a $hit fit.

It must have backflowed into vent tube ,also it took a moment to settle down the fill tube.

This had never happend to me even if I wedge something in there, good thing no one was smoking :giggling:

The above story would have never happened in New Jersey ;)

[Desert Dan]

Where you talking on your cell phone too?

Your lucky you didn't blow yourself up.

[RuggedH2]

good thing no one was smoking :giggling:

:jump: that is funny.



I've filled my truck with the engine running before, I'm just crazy reckless, and a fast lane living wildman - I suppose. :D

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

OLDSMOBILE HUH ? !!!!


LOL

[fourfourto]

WHO LEAVES THEIR VEHICLE RUNNING WHILE FILLING??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????


It was hot and the wife and dog were inside,I shut it off 99.9% of the time.Who knew I would be using a defective pump.
It never clicked off.

In NJ you have to let them pump it,it still would have happened if the guy walked away.

[fourfourto]

OLDSMOBILE HUH ? !!!!




LOL


It happened in the H3 not the olds http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I havent driven the olds for a couple of months,I took it ourt for a spin today and it was breaking up at 5,000 rpms.
I probobly need a new distributor cap ,sitting in the humid weather this happens every couple of years.
Ill get a new one tommorow .

[DennisAJC]

"DARWIN paging fourfourto!!!

Thankfully you didn't take out any innocent people who don't deserve to be around your stupidity. Leaving the engine running when filling up?

It's like saying 99% of the time you never leave your loaded gun in the kid's room. Jeebus.

[timgco]

:jump: that is funny.



I've filled my truck with the engine running before, I'm just crazy reckless, and a fast lane living wildman - I suppose. :D

TRUE! You do ride a Harley. "WILD HOGS!":giggling:

[HummerHippy]

once, when the only pump available was on the wrong side of the H3, I pulled up and was able to get the pump nozzel into the H3 from all the way around the back of the truck. But, the nozzel was not verticle. It was horizontal because there wasn't enough hose to let it hang properly. Anyway, I too was cleaning the windshield and the auto cutoff failed on the hose. So I wondered if it can be related to the hose position/angle/whatever, as well.

Don't over fill new cars because of the new evaporator something of new fuel emission crap in the tank or something like that.

[RuggedH2]

TRUE! You do ride a Harley. "WILD HOGS!":giggling:

I've been waiting for that to go to video, haven't seen it yet. I read other opinions on the chopper forum, most thought it was good. Of course they mostly live and breathe bikes, they hate the RUB's (Rich,Urban,Bikers) portrayed in the movie. I personally don't see anything wrong with riding in shorts and tennis shoes, when it's hot. I'm reckless like that. :D

End thread-jack.

[fourfourto]

"DARWIN paging fourfourto!!!

Thankfully you didn't take out any innocent people who don't deserve to be around your stupidity. Leaving the engine running when filling up?

It's like saying 99% of the time you never leave your loaded gun in the kid's room. Jeebus.



I didnt say 99% I said 99.9% thats 1 in a thousand I dont think anyone hear doesnt leave it running at least once .
I never had the pump stick in 29 years of driving, I was very suprised:eek:
funny thing several people at the pumps just stood there doing there thing and hardly noticiced...Whats with that must be the hummer.
I did :twak: myself http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

I leave my rifle loaded all the time ,I dont have kids.
I do have them locked away when roaming kids like my brothers boys are over.
What good is a unloaded gun if you need it quick ?


I remember the days when everyone puled up to the pump with a cig lit and left it running. :twak:

I will tell the tale to the new group of drivers ed kids in september,I will admit to being stupid.

[Sewie]

I dont think anyone hear doesnt leave it running at least once .

Nope. Never. And the AC, radio, etc. will work without the engine running.

[Huck BB62]

Egads, people are harsh (and uninformed)

#1. Cell phones don't and can't cause gas ignition. The Mythbusters tried fifteen ways to hell and back to try to make it. There's no contacts, relays, spark making means for one to do so. Myth busted, it's an urban legend.

#2. If cars running caused a tank to blow up, we'd all be dead. There's half a dozen cars running around you at any given moment.

#3. What IS dangerous is static. THIS has been proven to cause ignition of gas fumes, the same as filling gas containers in the back of a truck. Women, more than men, get into the car while it's filling, then get out. They build up a healthy static charge. Reach over and touch the pump housing, and a part of the car (not near the danged gas nozzle) to get rid of the charge.

[Desert Dan]

1 gallon of gasoline (vapor) = 20 sticks of dynamite!

Gasoline is readily available and routinely used in most households. In spite of the routine use of gasoline, many people are unaware of or unappreciative of the dangers of gasoline. Gasoline is dangerous because it is highly volatile. The fumes are capable of ignition up to12 feet away from a pooled source. It can float on water and may spread long distances, making ignition and flash back possible. Gasoline may ignite from a nearby spark, flame, or even static electricity and become a "fireball" with a temperature of 15,000 degrees F.
Two physical properties explain why gasoline is significantly more hazardous than other flammable liquids found in the home:

Flash point?the minimum temperature at which the liquid will give off sufficientvapor to form an ignitable mixture with air.
Vapor density?ratio of density of vapor to the density of air. Substances with avapor density greater than 1 are heavier than air and tend to accumulate in low orenclosed spaces.

[fourfourto]

#2. If cars running caused a tank to blow up, we'd all be dead. There's half a dozen cars running around you at any given moment.

Wasn't worryed about it running so much as much as the gas waterfalling out the fill hole , I got out away from pump quickly as posible(had to restart truck) and hosed it down 50 feet away.
I hope the attendant did a proper clean up ,I saw him put a cone there.

[tower]

"DARWIN paging fourfourto!!!

Thankfully you didn't take out any innocent people who don't deserve to be around your stupidity. Leaving the engine running when filling up?

It's like saying 99% of the time you never leave your loaded gun in the kid's room. Jeebus.


ROTFLMFAO! :giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling:

[tower]

Nope. Never. And the AC, radio, etc. will work without the engine running.

Absolutely WRONG! The AC will only blow warm air when the engine is off. No fan belt turning the AC pump = no cooling. Still I wouldn't fill up with the engine running for numerous reasons.

[Av1ator]

Years ago, before there was an H3, I had an Isuzu Rodeo. I was pulling my catermaran, on the way to the beach and stopped to get gas.. I had to go to the bathroom BAD.... I left it filling up on it's own..It was NOT running...as I came out of the can.. this guy comes running thru the store's door and says
"Theys a jeep out here..pulling two canoe and gas be going eberwhere!!"
That was my cue to run shut off the pump..Lucky I didn't burn the place down!

[KenP]

I had a sign at the gas station I owned that said customers were responsible for any cleanup. That much gas, I may have called HAZMAT if the person was an ass.

I have many stories from that business.:giggling: :shhh:

I leave my truck running all the time when I fill up.:D

[timgco]

I've been waiting for that to go to video, haven't seen it yet. I read other opinions on the chopper forum, most thought it was good. Of course they mostly live and breathe bikes, they hate the RUB's (Rich,Urban,Bikers) portrayed in the movie. I personally don't see anything wrong with riding in shorts and tennis shoes, when it's hot. I'm reckless like that. :D

End thread-jack.

One more thread jack. I watched it last night! LMAO!!!!!

[DennisAJC]

I had a sign at the gas station I owned that said customers were responsible for any cleanup. That much gas, I may have called HAZMAT if the person was an ass.

I have many stories from that business.:giggling: :shhh:

I leave my truck running all the time when I fill up.:D


Just think Ken, if you still had the station, he could be reffering this statement towards you.:clapping:

I also went inside to tell the guy so he could clean it up and he gave me a look because he had to get off his a$$.

[lennyrebel]

I was filling up on the way back from camping and I had the pump running as I was cleaning windshield(the pump had a lock clip I didnt wedge something in there) and it didnt stop when full and started to overflow all over the back of the truck. It must have put a couple of gallons on the ground.
Then the truck started to run rough and black smoke came out the tailpipe and then it stalled ?(yes I had it running :twak: as I was pumping gas)
It started back up a moment later and alls fine ,I saw a hose next to the office and hosed it down good.I also went inside to tell the guy so he could clean it up and he gave me a look because he had to get off his a$$.I wasnt in the mood to confront him about the couple of gallons I lost ,I was more concerned about hosing down the rig.
If he was pumping and it happened I would of had a $hit fit.

It must have backflowed into vent tube ,also it took a moment to settle down the fill tube.

This had never happend to me even if I wedge something in there, good thing no one was smoking :giggling:
This has got to be a crime--don't tell me you yanks let idiots blow up gas stations. Why do you think you have to wedge something in handle-cause its stupid illegal and a crime.You should go to JAIL for stupidity if nothing else. Why do you think there are signs everywhere to shut off while refueling. Cause you'll blow yourself up who nobody gives a **** about {you should have died long ago according to the Darwin awards]but everybody else up as well. Every day I'm surprised at the new depths of stupidity that are discovered. The Rebel

[fourfourto]

I didnt wedge the lever open,it had a clip.:D
The point isnt I had it running its the pump didnt shut off :twak:
I mentioned it because it blew out black smoke and stalled.I thought others hear might find that interesting.

:rant: The attendant was lucky I wasnt in a bad mood and made them pay for a detail and the gas I lost.
There would have been trouble if the guy said I had to clean it up...Ya right its my fault the pump didnt shut off.
Most parts of Ny you can pump yourself (some towns are full serve only )and they remove the lock clip (on long island) when its self serve ,so the station had improper pumps .Something was also wrong with the pump for it not to shut off.

[RuggedH2]

Most parts of Ny you can pump yourself (some towns are full serve only )

Pretty typical everywhere, we don't have any full service towns, but then again, I do live in Utah. :giggling:

[DennisAJC]

OOOOPPS!!!!

I think I shouldn't be too quick to crucify fourfour here.

I do recall somewhere in Utah on the way to Moab with DRTYFN during September leaving the engine ON and filling up while sitting in the Hummer's toasty interior because it was just too cold and windy outside.

As I was finishing up, DRTY lit the cigarette in my mouth and proceeded to clean my windows.:clapping:

So like you, 99.9% of the time I don't do that either.:jump::clapping::jump:


Me = :OWNED:

[h2co-pilot]

This has got to be a crime--don't tell me you yanks let idiots blow up gas stations. Why do you think you have to wedge something in handle-cause its stupid illegal and a crime.You should go to JAIL for stupidity if nothing else. Why do you think there are signs everywhere to shut off while refueling. Cause you'll blow yourself up who nobody gives a **** about {you should have died long ago according to the Darwin awards]but everybody else up as well. Every day I'm surprised at the new depths of stupidity that are discovered. The Rebel

Shut it, Whiner.

[Steve #1]

To answer your question, the black smoke and stalling were caused by the engine running rich.

This most likely happened because the Fuel tank has a vent that goes to a carbon canister, which on most vehicles then goes to the intake. I'm not exactly sure how it is set up on the H3 but, it sounds like you got fuel going completely through the system. The engine ran rich and stalled, or it was just a quick shot of extra fuel and when the computer compensated, leaned it out, then caused the stall.

So, there's my answer to your question.

Now for filling up with the motor running.... shame shame shame on you. It's obviously dangerous and outright wrong. If you believe in hel, pack your bags because you are obviously on your way there.

Why? .......... well, it is the first thing on the list on all the gas pumps, right not to not smoking while you pump gas.....and well....... obviously everyone here knows you shouldn't do it..... because they've told you...... because it's on the signs.........

Somebody mentioned flash point. Maybe the problem is that if the vehicle is running, gas could get on the tail pipe, and if the tail pipe is over 475F (don't think it would be that hot) then you could have a fire. We all know the tail pipe cools off immediately when you turn off the engine. If you don't believe me, just grab yours next time you shut off the motor..... OK, so maybe that isn't the problem with pumping gas with the motor running.

Sparks from the ignition system? Maybe you could have fumes that aren't caught by the recirculation system, drawn in to the engine compartment, and ignited by a faulty ignition wire (there are still some cars with ignition wire on the roads) and boom...... but it would probably have to be a big puddle of gas to be at a volatile level considering the amount of air being pulled trough the engine compartment by the fan......

I'm still not sure.....

How bout this, we all know how safety conscious they are in auto racing, and we all know they shut the motor off while refueling at a pit stop....... wait, no, they leave them running.

I'm stumped, If anyone knows WHY you should turn off the engine while fueling, fill me in..... and don't say "because it says so on the sign."

[fourfourto]

I just tried searching about engine running when at the gas pump.
I cant find anything on the web ?
Alot about static

We all know the static charge we get from the H3 cloth seats(I covered them so not a issue) when getting in/out of our trucks, static snap like that could cause a spill to light up http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif


By DuhWay
I just realized the wife was driving,she was behind the wheel, she forgot to shut off the engine :twak: :fdance:

After 24 years together its not me or she its US like we are one.
If she does something stupid or good, I did something stupid or good:giggling:

[Desert Dan]

With the engine running you have an open ignition source in the Alternator

Here are the explosive limts for gasoline UEL: 7.6% and LEL: 1.4%.
The conditions for an explosion have to be just right but why take a chance?

If you have spilled gasoline on hot concrete under your car you could have a problem with electrical sources or static electricity.

Why do you think all the electrical conduit around gas pumps is in "seal off" Class 1 Div 1 conduit?


Guidelines for Fueling Vehicles (From Chevron) http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/gasoline_safety.shtml
Turn off your engine. Disable or turn off any auxiliary sources of ignition such as a camper or trailer heater, cooking units or pilot lights.
Put your vehicle in park and/or set the emergency brake.
Do not smoke, light matches or use lighters while refueling
Use only the refueling latch provided on the dispenser. Never jam the refueling latch on the nozzle with any object (i.e. gas cap, etc.)
Never leave the nozzle unattended.
Do not overfill or top-off your vehicle tank ? it can cause spillage.
Do not allow children to fuel and /or assist fueling vehicle.
Never use a cell phone or other personal electronic device while refueling (for example, laptops, PDAs and electronic games).</B> These items should be left in your vehicle.

[BKLYNH2]

On the way out of Paragon last year I went to fill up the H2. I turned off the engine, but did start the pumping with the clip engaged and then went inside to buy some food and drinks. All of a sudden some guy starts yelling that there's gas pouring out of the Hummer. I dropped everything and ran towards the door. There was gas everywhere. I seriously felt that I was about to see my H2 for the last time. It was a hot summer day and I didn't know whether to run up to the potential bomb or not. The indecision went away quickly and I ran to the pump and shut it off. Next while standing in a small pond of gasoline I had decide whether starting the truck in this pool was a smart idea also. Fortunately nothing blew when I turned they key. After pulling away to a safe place I went back inside a bit sheepishly to pay my bill. While I was angry that the pump had failed I had to admit blame for walking away. So now I just stay with the car when I fill her.

[Steve #1]

With the engine running you have an open ignition source in the Alternator

Here are the explosive limts for gasoline UEL: 7.6% and LEL: 1.4%.
The conditions for an explosion have to be just right but why take a chance?




Very true, but if this was an issue, they would need to change the signs from "stop motor while fueling" to "wave off any vehicle that pulls up to the pump next to you using international sign language to inform the other driver that you are refueling and it is dangerous for them to run there engine within X feet of a pump dispensing fuel."

Am I taking it a bit far, sure I am, but if it's an issue, it's an issue.

I think some people made more of it than it is in reality.

I'm with you on the "why take the chance" and the majority of the time I shut the engine off and pump fuel. If I have kids and / or the dog in the vehicle on hot day, I may leave it running.


On a somewhat related subject, since it seems that fire awareness is a hot topic (pun intended) on this thread, I'm curious where y'all have your fire extinguishers mounted. I've only had my H3 a few weeks and haven't had a chance to mount mine. It is still in the box of stuff I removed from my last vehicle.

[BKLYNH2]

Not only is that a sentence, it's a run-on sentence. :giggling: Slow down man.

[h2co-pilot]

Gotta cut down on the coffeeeee:yawn:

Hey Steve, maybe you should drink some. Then maybe we could get a complete sentence every now and then.:giggling:

[FishnMan]

WHO LEAVES THEIR VEHICLE RUNNING WHILE FILLING??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????

Everyone here in Alaska does when it's 20-50 below zero outside! :shhh:

[Desert Dan]

Flash Point is -45 degrees F
but less vapors in cold temps

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

It happened in the H3 not the olds http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I havent driven the olds for a couple of months,I took it ourt for a spin today and it was breaking up at 5,000 rpms.
I probobly need a new distributor cap ,sitting in the humid weather this happens every couple of years.
Ill get a new one tommorow .

I understand...

Was referring to your handle 442 re: "YOUR DARWIN AWARD"

[fourfourto]

I understand...

Was referring to your handle 442 re: "YOUR DARWIN AWARD"


I thought you had a senior moment :giggling:
Anyway Olds 442 Oh yeh !:beerchug:

Old muscle cars rule, no emissions or computers, EZ to work on ,I just changed the plugs and put in a new distributor cap/rotor only took about 20 minutes.Revin good to 6,500 rpms.
http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon2.gifI just went up by the golf course and left a 100 foot posi burnout http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Dont you have a old ford :shhh: :giggling:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I thought you had a senior moment :giggling:
Anyway Olds 442 Oh yeh !:beerchug:

Old muscle cars rule, no emissions or computers, EZ to work on ,I just changed the plugs and put in a new distributor cap/rotor only took about 20 minutes.Revin good to 6,500 rpms.
http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon2.gifI just went up by the golf course and left a 100 foot posi burnout http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Dont you have a old ford :shhh: :giggling:

Sold my 64 1/2 mustang, 260 cid, 3 on the floor, hurst shifter, doug thorley headers, 3 " shackles, no chrome - shaved etc etc (OH - NO A/C, no heater & AM radio only)

[lennyrebel]

I didnt wedge the lever open,it had a clip.:D
The point isnt I had it running its the pump didnt shut off :twak:
I mentioned it because it blew out black smoke and stalled.I thought others hear might find that interesting.

:rant: The attendant was lucky I wasnt in a bad mood and made them pay for a detail and the gas I lost.
There would have been trouble if the guy said I had to clean it up...Ya right its my fault the pump didnt shut off.
Most parts of Ny you can pump yourself (some towns are full serve only )and they remove the lock clip (on long island) when its self serve ,so the station had improper pumps .Something was also wrong with the pump for it not to shut off.
Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

[H3PAC]

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

Yeah, I'll bet you can really service a nozzle. :fdance:

[Steve #1]

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen


Now there is a reasonable answer to the question.

Why should you turn the engine off? It prevents the auto shutoff from working properly.

Just thought I'd point that out incase anyone missed it like I almost did because of Lenny's crappy attitude.

Lenny, perhaps YOU should look in the mirror before you tell someone they?re stupid and to grow up. Somebody not knowing the inner working of a gas pump does not make them stupid. My guess would be that over 99% of the population doesn?t know the inner workings of a gas pump. I?d like to think that a larger portion of the population knows how to have an intelligent discussion.

I'm new to this forum, and this is only my third post. I must ask, what's with all the negative attitude here? Is it always like this?

[Steve #1]

Now there is a reasonable answer to the question.

Why should you turn the engine off? It prevents the auto shutoff from working properly.



After giving it some thought, this explanation doesnt even work for me. In order for the running engine to create negative pressure, the engine would need to be consuming fuel faster then the pump can pump it in. Even the most thirsty engine isn't going to be using a noticeable amount of fuel at idle.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

lennyrebel[/COLOR]]Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen

lenny, you are a very negative person... many, not always but many times you put you mouth (typing finger) in motion before your awake...

there are enough negative, power hungry people on here already and by you adding to that minority you are lowering the standards of the forum

[BKLYNH2]

when the pump shut off failed on me the engine was off.

[RuggedH2]

Yeah, I'll bet you can really service a nozzle. :fdance:

:jump: :jump:

[fourfourto]

lenny (what kind of name is lenny :twak: your parents)

I still dont think having it running has anything to do with the nozzle not working properly,Its the idiot that didnt service it properly(did you service the nozzle at the hess station in selden NY ?)
Or do you mostly service the nozzles at the peep shows in NYC .(I bet he started there moping up the spew off the floor and worked his way up to sevicing nozzles.:giggling: )


Just because your a rebel you dont have to act like a A$$ :grouphug: :beerchug:

[lamric]

After giving it some thought, this explanation doesnt even work for me. In order for the running engine to create negative pressure, the engine would need to be consuming fuel faster then the pump can pump it in. Even the most thirsty engine isn't going to be using a noticeable amount of fuel at idle.

...That and the fact that the nozzle is in air and not fluid until the tank is full. There's no way you could pull enough vacuum down the fuel filler to trip the nozzle at engine idle.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_263.html

[lennyrebel]

...That and the fact that the nozzle is in air and not fluid until the tank is full. There's no way you could pull enough vacuum down the fuel filler to trip the nozzle at engine idle.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_263.html
I guess your failure to understand how the charcoal canister and assorted tubing relates to the filler neck adds to your misunderstanding. Because I don't want to see a massive explosion I guess I'm the fall guy. No understanding some peoples logic.

[lamric]

Your the kind of guy where the world is all wrong and your always right. Look in the mirror at a stupid as- if you keep it up we won't have to look at you much longer. I serviced those gas nozzles for years. They work on back pressure against small sensor tube. If you got the truck running your actually pulling gas from tank creating a negative pressure at sensor. My POINT-- GROW UP and WAKE UP guys like you are a hazard to civilization. Amen


I guess your failure to understand how the charcoal canister and assorted tubing relates to the filler neck adds to your misunderstanding. Because I don't want to see a massive explosion I guess I'm the fall guy. No understanding some peoples logic.

Uh....I don't see any mention of the filler neck, tubing and charcoal filter in your post about the workings of the nozzle. We were discussing your post about how the engine running could keep "back pressure" from shutting off the pump. In reality it isn't back pressure that shuts off the pump, it's vacuum.
I never said that filling the tank with the engine running is a good idea. I don't agree with your explaination of why it isn't.

[fourfourto]

Apparently the truck running had nothing to do with it :fdance: Lenny (where you from... canada :giggling: )http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

The danger level is crazy high when the pump stickshttp://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon4.gif.
(Even if I was standing there I would have used the lock,then the gas would have sprayed back on me:eek: )

The danger level is rather low pumping with the engine running .(very stupid thing to do anyway http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif)

[SR1355]

I think I left the truck running.... :twak:
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[Desert Dan]

Some more gasoline safety humor

[lamric]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4bTVh_7QA&mode=related&search=

I think I found the real reason you should shut your engine off.

[Steve #1]

Allow me to give this almost dead horse one last blow.

Per the Texas State Fire Marshal's Director of Special Projects in responce to my question:

#1: "I have noticed that almost every gasoline pump has a sign on it with a number of warnings, the first of which is almost always "stop motor while fueling" or something to that effect. I'm curious if this is due to a risk of fire. If it is due to a fire risk, what is the specific factor, and how is it more of a risk than for instance, a vehicle with an engine idling next to one that is fueling."

WS:"This is a fire related requirement. It is to lower the posibility of ignition from the engine. The proxmity of the motor to the tank being filled versus the adjacent vehicles seperated by distance fom the despensing is the reasoning."

#1: "Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

How often are fires caused by fueling with the engine running, and are there any laws against running the engine while fueling?"

WS: "Most fires at stations are caused when people do not return the hose to the despenser and drive off wiht the hose still in the task. This is why the despensers have to be equipped with hose break a way devices on the despensers.. Few incidents are now traced to the running of a vehicle motor while filling. This is probably because most people follow the law and shut off their engines."

[lance-n]

Allow me to give this almost dead horse one last blow.

Per the Texas State Fire Marshal's Director of Special Projects in responce to my question:

#1: "I have noticed that almost every gasoline pump has a sign on it with a number of warnings, the first of which is almost always "stop motor while fueling" or something to that effect. I'm curious if this is due to a risk of fire. If it is due to a fire risk, what is the specific factor, and how is it more of a risk than for instance, a vehicle with an engine idling next to one that is fueling."

WS:"This is a fire related requirement. It is to lower the posibility of ignition from the engine. The proxmity of the motor to the tank being filled versus the adjacent vehicles seperated by distance fom the despensing is the reasoning."

#1: "Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

How often are fires caused by fueling with the engine running, and are there any laws against running the engine while fueling?"

WS: "Most fires at stations are caused when people do not return the hose to the despenser and drive off wiht the hose still in the task. This is why the despensers have to be equipped with hose break a way devices on the despensers.. Few incidents are now traced to the running of a vehicle motor while filling. This is probably because most people follow the law and shut off their engines."

or maybe it is really because running motors don't cause gas station fires.
here in mexico, they don't allow you to use your cell phone while they are filling your tank. risk of fire, risk of digital pump reset? who knows?!?!?!?

[lamric]

Car fire victim x-ray.

[Huck BB62]

or maybe it is really because running motors don't cause gas station fires.
here in mexico, they don't allow you to use your cell phone while they are filling your tank. risk of fire, risk of digital pump reset? who knows?!?!?!?

On the first count, you're correct. Running engines do not cause fires.

On the second instance, many laws and ordinances are passed merely to make the politicians look good. Like I said before, you can not use a cell phone to ignite gasoline unless you modify it to do so. That myth's been busted.

It's funny, in Oregon, they have a welfare thing going on where they require attendants to pump your gas. They'll jump alllllll over your butt if you even try. They set the nozzle, snap the keeper on the hande, and walk away while you, and your family are sitting in your car or truck. The chances that an auto shut off will fail are precisely the same for these highly trained professionals :giggling: as it is for you.

[Desert Dan]

Cell phone aren't rated "explosion proof".

Are there any electricians out there! To explain this.

There could be a spark on the battery contacts.

[Huck BB62]

http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp

Is it that hard to give up an urban legend? Your polyester socks are more likely the reason to worry than a cell phone!

[H3PAC]

Your polyester socks are more likely the reason to worry than a cell phone!Not to mention that leisure suit!

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[lennyrebel]

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[lennyrebel]

. Like I said before, you can not use a cell phone to ignite gasoline unless you modify it to do so. That myth's been busted.

It's funny, in Oregon, they have a welfare thing going on where they require attendants to pump your gas. They'll jump alllllll over your butt if you even try. They set the nozzle, snap the keeper on the hande, and walk
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[h2co-pilot]

I have a lot of info on what your cell phones can do.:D

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26515

Sparking a fire is just one of the possibilities.:giggling: