RUBICON

[DRTYFN]

Has anybody run the Rubicon in their H2 yet? My buddy and I are going to run it mid Oct. If anyone would like to go post here.

[DRTYFN]

Has anybody run the Rubicon in their H2 yet? My buddy and I are going to run it mid Oct. If anyone would like to go post here.

[Steve R]

Dude....Norcal just ran it with his group!!!!

Let me see if I can get him to make some noise and post some pics for ya! They did extremely well from what I heard. Stand-by for posts...

[DRTYFN]

Damn. Wish I would have been paying attention. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Oh well, still gonna go. Probably the weeend of the 17th. My buddy kent and his wife are going to go. He's got that Zuki that I posted a pic of and rave about.

[argonaut]

Hmm, depending on my schedule I may be intersted. I'd like to see those pics though...

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

[Buckeye Hummer]

Steve ran the rubicon backwards. He is freakin amazing!

[kdio]

I went on the Norcal trip this weekend and ran the Rubicon with the group. This was my first offroad experience in my H2. I was extremely nervious about attacking the legendary Rubicon on my first trip, but the H2 did not let me down. The experience of the other drivers made a huge difference. There was a total of 7 Hummers (4 H2s & 3 H1s) on the trip, none of us had any problems making through the obstacles. We started on the Tahoe side of the trail and made it up to Observation Point http://www.californiajeeper.com/rubicon/rubicon.pdf before we had to turn around. It was getting late and did not want to be on the trail at night.

I have 37" MTRs on my H2 and to settle the argument once and for all, I did not rub my tires on the fender wells at all. In fact my H2 was the only one that did not hit the rocker bars on the rocks. The extra height made the difference in the rocks.

The Norcal group made this trip a pleasure to go on, and I thank all the members of the group for making my first experience a blast.

I will post a couple of pictures for everyone to see.

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Starting point

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Airing down

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Rocks

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Rock Garden 1

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Rock Garden 2

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Rock Garden 3

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Observation Point

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[kdio]

Taking a Bath

[ photo removed - please contact me with any questions - jrosoff@h2source.com ]

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps

[This message was edited by Jason on 10-01-03 at 05:56 PM.]

[H2Norcal]

DRTYFN,

As Kirk said, we had a blast running a third of the tail of the Rubicon (sort of a backwards route). We entered on the McKinney/Rubicon road side (West Shore just outside Tahoma).

We have a boat load of pix and a movie to make yet, but it is a trip you won't forget. The H2's did excellent.

In fact we met a Jeep Rubicon coming up this fine little rocky single track and he was perplexed to see us and asked "did you guys bring the H2's down the rock garden?" We said "Yup".

I will warn you though: you need to have an experienced spotter to go along. Without our spotters our casualties would have been much worse. Most of us just banged up our skids, rocker bars and nipped a few wheels.

If you are interested in seeing more pix or being included on our Northern California Hummer Group event list, email me at H2Norcal@sbcglobal.net. I am the group coordinator and I can give you more details if you need them.

We have a lot of events on the table (some foul weather runs) and some 'very Northern' events slated for the Mendocino forest.

Shoot me an email or keep an eye out for our website (www.norcalhummergroup.org (http://www.norcalhummergroup.org)). It is not quite ready but will be up soon.

[NJ H2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kdio:
Taking a Bath

Photo removed. Sorry NJH2, was strongly recommended to do so - contact me with any questions - jrosoff@h2source.com

[This message was edited by Jason on 10-01-03 at 05:55 PM.]

[Steve R]

Oh man.....I am sooo jealous!!!!

I'm gonna have to get me one of those mythical monsters for our next event. How does Brian do it?????

Just so everyone knows...Brian is putting together a Northern California Hummer group. I'd call it a "Hummer Club"...but that title seems to be associated with another club of sorts. Anyone in Norhtern California of related areas should give Brian a holler and get put on their club email list!

Here's Brian and son at our Pismo event.

[Steve R]

Oh man.....I'm soooo jealous!!!!

I've got to get a legendary mythical monster at one of my runs...how does Brian do it?????

I'm very proud of Brian. I met him at our Pismo event and he's gone back north and undertaken the task of launching his own club too. Just so everyone know...Brian is putting together a Northern California Hummer group. I'd call it a Hummer "club"...but that naming denotes another club of sorts.

Anyone living in Northern Calif. or related areas should contact Brian and get on his club email list.....or did ya just buy that beast to look pretty in your driveway????

Here's the man himself at our Pismo event

[H2 Maverick]

To answer your question about H2s doing the Rubicon. YES! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and not just once but approx. five times and only damage was caused by operator error. It was also featured in several offroad mags, approx. nov 2002.

[DRTYFN]

Mav,
You did the whole thing? Did you have to use any bypasses? What did you break/damage? Any suggestions for parts/tools/supplies to bring?
Advice would be greatly appreciated.
Do you happen to remember which mags had the articles?

[H2 Maverick]

Make sure you start with fresh (unworn) idler and pitman arms. also have spare inner tierods which you should be able to get from your dealer seperately. 3/4ton pickup is the same. I also suggest you go in at Wentworth Springs instead of Loon Lake Hell's gate is just that. Bypass Little Sluice and be very careful at the beginning of drop into Big Sluice. Most important thing to take is a GOOD spotter and a lot of patience. The camp at Buck isle lake is a really good half way point and the scenery is unbeatable. If your going in October be sure check the weather forcast. Any other questions I will do my best to help you out.

[DocH2]

This was a good time. I was the only moderate trauma with a dinged up driveline. Not sure when it happened but was able to avoid heavy harmonics until about 65 mph. So, I limped home, dropped the driveline and just took it to Sacramento to be repaired. It'll be running again tomorrow evening.

Brings up a good point: We need driveline protection and probably 3rd member shields. Ideas for you design guys.

My 4 boys and I had a terrific time and I'm looking to go back up there the 25th of October. Any takers?

Vince

[DRTYFN]

We're going the weekend of the 17th. Would enjoy having lots of company.

[H2Norcal]

DRTYFN, you'll have a blast. As H2 Maverick said, have some good spotters and your damage will be greatly reduced. You need to expect some wheel scrapes, some rocker bar and skid plate dents from the tall rocks. But finally, no more pinstriping.

Have a safe trip.

Brian.

[H2Norcal]

Hey Steve,

Thanks for the unbecoming picture post. You caught me and my son in our dirt bike gear at Pismo. I have some compromising ones of you ya know......

As for the "club", we really aren't much of one but we are doing a bunch of cool stuff with these things.....

[DocH2]

H2Norcal,

Thanks for organizing this past weekend. Also a special thanx to Chris and Dax for spotting us.

To those of you that weren't there an idea of what it was like for another virgin of off road, I wouldn't have done it without experienced spotters. I watched Tanvir go down a heavily rocked area and scrape the entire section with his undercarriage. Pretty scary for me as I don't want to depreciate my H2 all in one weekend!

By the time the spotters got us down the hill I was taking the path less traveled and taking more risk than was necessary due to new found confidence. Dax swore that we did nearly a 50% sidehill grade! He said it exceeded factory specs but that our H2's handled it ... very, very slowly.

We took our H2's one at a time, stopped then watched the next H2 come down. This took a long time in some sections. Going back out the same way we came in required no real spotting as we all were able to pick our own lines and drove caravan style through the rock gardens.

I know I'm bastardizing the event but it was such a blur of adrenaline. Now I know why people off road. You get the rush of drag racing or road racing on the street but without breaking any laws...just drivelines.

Thanks again Brian.

V

[DocH2]

DRTYFN,

I might join you the 17th. I'll check my calendar and see.

It might be worth it to have Chris (don't know last name) join with his H1 and guide. He did an excellent job and lives in the area.

V

[DRTYFN]

Like I said, the more the merrier http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Would love to have ya.

[NCHummerman]

Please keep me in the loop for this trip too ... I may be able to go. I like the idea of an experienced spotter, too ...

Thanks,

Michael
---
Pewter Hummer H2
Northern California

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[DRTYFN]

FYI to those of you contemplating the Oct 17th Run, two of the techs from Hannah Hummer will be making the trip.

[DocH2]

Can't make the 17th, have a prior engagement I was reminded about.

Have a great time.

[hognose]

I think I'll try to attend as well. I live extremely close to the Rubicon anyway, can't think of a better way to spend muh birfday!

[DRTYFN]

Do any of you that have run the Rubi have any advice or tips?
Also, anyone know when the trail gets closed down for the winter?
I've got one of Rick Russell's Off-road tapes on the Rubi and am watching some of the obstacles. Anyone take an H2 through the Little Sluice, and if so, how was it?

[argonaut]

DRTY, Looks like I am now free that weekend. Sounds very tempting, especially with techs around if anything breaks as I am extremely incompetent with a wrench... email me with the details @ argonaut3@comcast.net

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

[rlcanon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kdio:
...none of us had any problems making through the obstacles. We started on the Tahoe side of the trail and made it up to Observation Point...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Has anyone pointed out that this section is basically a dirt access road?

[DRTYFN]

I guess we're planning on starting out at Loon Lake and running the whole trail.

[NCHummerman]

There is a Hummer Happening on Oct. 18th and 19th at Hollister Off Road Park ... isn't this the same weekend you are considering for the Rubicon .... there is a group of H1 owners who are considering going in early Nov.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sounds like we're gearing up for the first weekend of November for a Rubicon
run. Sounds like there as 1-3 jeeps and at least yours and my hummers. Eric and
another H1 contacted me wanting to do the run too, but I'm thinking we should
try and limit the convoy to 5 trucks (2-3 jeeps, 2-3 hummers).

Let me know if Nov. 1-2 works for you. If so, we can start planning... we'll
need to, the section of the Rubicon we ran a couple of weeks ago was CAKE
compared to the rest of the run!

Chris
775.233.7447
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Michael
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Pewter Hummer H2
Northern California

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[Old Scout]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kdio:
Taking a Bath

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Why are you driving your greasy rig into a pristine Miller Lake? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Nice way to show you know how to tread lighlty! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Kevin B]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gifYIKES http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[H2 TOIE]

I have gone on the rubicon a few times but with my jeep. How many days do you guys plan on to complete the trail? I would like to come along.

Dan

[H2 TOIE]

Drtyfn you won't be taking the H2 thru the little sluice but there is a bypass for that but even so it is a hard trail and you had better be prepared for body damage. there are some spots that are pretty narrow.

Dan

[CronusTRD]

stay out of the water...thanks for giving ammo to those who want to shut down the trail http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Definitely not an H2!!!

[kdio]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rlcanon:
Has anyone pointed out that this section is basically a dirt access road? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The first section of the road to miller lake was basically a rocky/dirt road, but from the lake to observation point was anything but that.

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[H2 TOIE]

kdio we have always traveled from loon lake to tahoe and the trail after observation point while rocky is a lot easier than the rest of the trail was.

[Cranky Steve]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Old Scout:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kdio:
Taking a Bath

03 H2 Sunset Orange Polished Magna Charger w headers & cold air intake, 37" MTRs w Weld Mountain Crushers, GPS Nav. & 2 rear LCD TVs w DVD, Extreme Tube steps<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why are you driving your greasy rig into a pristine Miller Lake? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Nice way to show you know how to tread lighlty! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto!

Here are a few links to help folks new to the Rubicon learn how to perserve and protect it:

http://www.delalbright.com/Rubicon/rubicon_ethics.htm

http://www.delalbright.com

http://www.delalbright.com/Rubicon/rubicon.htm

Thanks in advance for taking the time to check out the sites!

Bacon!

[Kevin B]

This was some good advice:

The Rubicon Trail is threatened with closure! We must do our part to ensure that no one has a reason to close our trail. But it is constantly under the microscope of governmental control agencies and environmental groups. It is also one of our crown jewels of recreation. We must use it right; or lose it. Here are some suggested guidelines for using the trail.

1. Stay on the trail. Never get off the trail. Do not camp some place where you have to make a new trail to get there.

2. Leave no trace. Air down; drive slow; and don't spin your tires where you don't need to. Stay on the rocks.

3. Follow the established route. Do not create a new route or bypass.

4. Be courteous of other drivers. Don't hold up the line and upset those behind you when you don't need to or have an alternative (such as getting out of the way).

5. Pick up trash you see along the trail.

6. Talk to other riders/drivers about their bad habits if you see some.

7. Never drive into or through wet areas or meadows. Stay on the trail that avoids these sensitive spots.

8. If your vehicle breaks down, try to limp it out of the way as soon as you can so as to not hold up those behind you. Every one is on a schedule these days. And no one likes to be held up. We all want to get as much fun in as we can in a short period of time. Be thoughtful.

9. Obey the law.

10. Don't drive over vegetaion or make mud holes worse.

11. Help a wheeler in need.

12. Have fun; be safe; but be smart about our future. Thanks , Del

You guys talking about #7? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[NCHummerman]

You have said it the best way ... no one could have said it better. Thanx ...

Michael
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Pewter Hummer H2
Northern California

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[DRTYFN]

Thanks for the links, Cranky.
One thing that I've noticed about off-roading is that the Hummer crowd seems to take things slow and steady, while the Jeep crowd will take the hardest route possible, just to do it, and bounce, claw and tear up the trail in the process. This is what I saw this weekend at Brown's Camp. Jeep after Jeep would approach an obstacle, and instead of straddling the hole, they would purposely put their tires into it, try to crawl out of it and then proceed to gun it, throwing dirt and rocks everywhere. I've also seen this in a few off-roading videos.

Bottom line: We've ALL got to stick together and take care of the trails. When you see someone tearing things up, going off trail, littering or not observing trail etiquette let them know. If they don't listen- report them.

[Cranky Steve]

Thanks folks for receiving the info well. I'm not a Hummer guy, I drive a 85 Toyota. As far as drivers of a certain brand behaving a certain way ..... come on, that's unfair, and a very hasty generalization. Anyway, thanks again for letting me add some value to your site. Here's a pic of my old Toy:

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[DennisAJC]

Cranky,

Is that custom built cage??? COOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Scary lookin rocks! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[DRTYFN]

Great rig!!! By any chance will you be out on the trail when we're there?

[Cranky Steve]

I dunno, our Club has nothing planned at this time. We post our trips on our BB at www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)

To answer the question on the tube work, yse it is all custom. My good friend Scott Wood of SW Tube works in Paradise, CA dilaed me in. Check out his website for more examamples of his handy work.

SW Tube Works (http://www.swtubeworks.com/)

Here's my Truck with Scott's custom Tube doors:

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[Loco]

Steve your such an old fart, get with the new.
http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/web_pages/Loco/back6.jpg

[DennisAJC]

Niiiiiiiiice!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[Loco]

Also please guys, wear your seatbelt. We had a very unfortunate accident occure on the trail this past weekend. I have seen many people hurt, but never heard of a death on the rubicon.

Wilton man dies in pickup accident on Rubicon Trail
By Lakiesha McGhee -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 a.m. PDT Sunday, September 28, 2003
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EL DORADO COUNTY -- A 28-year-old Wilton man was killed early Saturday when he apparently lost control of his vehicle along rocky Rubicon Trail, an El Dorado County route popular among four-wheel-drive enthusiasts.
California Highway Patrol Sgt. Jim Faria said the accident occurred about 4:10 a.m. Saturday, just east of Loon Lake and Ice House Road.

Faria said the man, whose identity was withheld pending notification of family, was not wearing a seat belt when he was ejected from a Toyota pickup and the vehicle rolled over him.

A passenger in the vehicle, identified as an Elk Grove man, 32, was wearing a seat belt and was not injured, Faria said.

[Cranky Steve]

Yes, please be safe!

If you can spare a few bucks for Mikes family, our clup set up a memorial web page to honer his memory, please check it out Mike Muncus Memorial Page (http://rcrc4x4.com/Tributes/Mike/MikeMuncus.html)

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[Cranky Steve]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Loco:
Steve your such an old fart, get with the new.
http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/web_pages/Loco/back6.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya ya ya, thanks for breaking in my front springs Loco :flipoff2:


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[Brandon]

cool, my first post. First off, anyone CAN make the trail - but the trail starts further than you guys went, I can take my car to the look out http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

For more info on the trail check out

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/TrailReports/Rubicon/Rubicon.html

I'd love a hummer, he he

no seriously that is a lotta dough to go wheel with! There are a lot of other trails around to get your feet wet with. The rubicon has got to be the highest profile trail out there, so we would all appreciate it if you do go that you do NOT make any bypasses and leave the trail as it was before you were on it.

here are some pics from last weekend

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=cleanup03


For a fun run I would suggest coming in from the other side and camping at wentworth springs (nice quiet campground) then you can go as far as you can from there. It's a great trail, if you guys do go I'd love to come and help/guide!

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/gallery/albums/cleanup03/P1010607.jpg

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/gallery/albums/cleanup03/Eric_Con_Clean_Up_10_03_7.jpg

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/gallery/albums/cleanup03/redtoybox1.jpg

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/gallery/albums/cleanup03/no_coil.jpg

[Brandon]

just curious - are any of you guys local to sacramento? If so we'd love for you to come out to our meetings and we will be planning hummer friendly trips!

[DennisAJC]

Dan,

I think kdio learned his lesson.
We've all made bad judgements before. I'm sure there was a time when you did something silly or irresponsible that made others shake their heads.

P.S. Why did he take a bath? Lucky he didn't slide back all the way like that poor sap in his Corvette at the boat launch.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[Brandon]

check out the post in other rigs, I just posted about 30 pics of hummers on the rubicon, and one was an 03'!

[Keith Strong]

Hello all! My first post here as well. I was lured by the prospect of you guys on the con and have always been intrigued as to how well Hummers will do up there. I appreciate your guys' acceptance of the valuable info offered earlier in this post and welcome you to join and participate in F.O.T.R.'s actions in preserving our beloved trail.

With all the formality crap outta the way http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I am gonna TRY and get some of my club (RPS) to hit the con that weekend, if not to help in any way we can then just to have a good time! Be prepared, the trail is MUCH more difficult than the section discussed here from Tahoe to Obvservation. To add to the self pimping pics Brandon and Steve and others put up....here are a few of my old rig and my new one (the build is starting all over again)

Good luck and be safe up there!

Keith

http://www.rps4wd.com/webimg/album1/images/1climbrock_jpg.jpg

http://www.rps4wd.com/webimg/album1/images/Con9_02%20081_jpg.jpg

http://www.rps4wd.com/attachments/krisgate1.jpg

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[DRTYFN]

I would like to thank everyone that has contributed information, opinions, links and pictures to this topic. It's really nice to see that we can all actually get along.
I am talking with my buddies about when we will actually get up there, where we'll stay Friday and when we'll hit the trail Saturday. As soon as I've got the info I'll post it.
Looking forward to seeing everyone up there.

[Cranky Steve]

Yo Keith, that's great you guys may be on the trail these guys want to run it, i'm sure RPS will be a big help to add to the fun! Take pics!

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[Keith Strong]

Thanks Steve. We ran last weekend and had a blast. We were gonan run Fordyce that weekend but I am trying to talk the guys intot he con so we can help guide the Hummer guys.....if they want it that is. Otherwise I jsut wanna see those things wheel http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Keith Strong]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:

I am talking with my buddies about when we will actually get up there, where we'll stay Friday and when we'll hit the trail Saturday. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I can help at all feel free to email me at kstrongsyj@yahoo.com

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[DRTYFN]

Keith,
thanks for all of your help. I know that we'd really appreciate someone with experience on the 'con being there.
How's the fishing up there?

[blackhawkdown]

I just want to clarify the picture of the grey wagon (not mine) that backed into the water on the trail. I was with the group. There were 3 H1's and 4 H2's on this trip. We started at Homewood and went in. Before we got to the first split we met some Jeeps heading out. This spot is right on the main trail and looks like a boat ramp. There are no obstacles between Homewood and this point so it very likey was a boat ramp. I was running tailgunner up to this point, but after this was asked to run lead.

We practiced "tread lightly" and did not traverse off the beaten path. We picked up and carrired out much more trash than we brought in.

[DocH2]

I was in front of Blackhawkdown in my H2 up to the point that we stopped at what looked like a boat ramp. It wasn't Kdio driving the H1 in the lake that you see. And like Blackhawk said...it did look like a boatramp/launch.

Thanks Dax for the use of the CB and I look forward to more trips with you. Seriously, I'm looking to sell my H2 and buy an H1 now. Keep me informed on any deals.

[Keith Strong]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Keith,
thanks for all of your help. I know that we'd really appreciate someone with experience on the 'con being there.
How's the fishing up there?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is pretty good. Last weekend we caught a couple of 6-8 inchers with a club guys son. It looks like RPS is trying to plan a run for that weekend. In all liklihood we will be camped at Loon in the grounds just before the spillway...at least that is where tow rigs will be http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

www.rps4wd.com (http://www.rps4wd.com)

[H2Norcal]

I think we all have something to learn about navigating protected trails. Unfortunately not all of that wisdom comes instantly or instinctively. Thanks for some of the educating input on this thread.

Our trip to observation point was incredible. The Hummer is a great machine to slowly travel this type of trail (when used wisely).

Brian
h2norcal@sbcglobal.net
www.norcalhummergroup.org (http://www.norcalhummergroup.org)

[Non-HH]

I feel the need to clarify and stress a couple things for those who haven't run the Rubicon.

First of all, some of the pics displayed by the newer non-H2 members are on the more extreme portions of the trail -- you will be able to bypass much of the extreme parts.

Secondly, running the trail from Tahoe to Observation point is nowhere near as difficult as some of what you'll find if you run the entire trail -- it doesn't even come close. Going from the Tahoe staging area down to Rubicon Springs and back is a bit better...but still not as difficult as other parts of the trail.

That said, I encourage you to give it a shot. I'm no Rubicon trail expert by any means, but I did run it a couple months ago with my "luxury-rice-burner" with some friends of mine.

My tips:
1- expect damage. expecially to your rocker panels, rear quarter panels and possibly your front quarter panels. You could ding a door or two. The H2 is pretty wide and parts of the trail are pretty narrow (with no bypass).
2- bring spare parts. an extra tie-rod, axle, CV joint, driveshaft might be required. Extra valve stems for your tires might come in handy too.
3- get as much armor/protection as you can on your undercarriage.

You'll have a blast as long as you go in ready for the possibility of carnage.

Have fun.
...
Doug

[Steve R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I would like to thank everyone that has contributed information, opinions, links and pictures to this topic. It's really nice to see that we can all actually get along.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You said it DRTYFN!!!!! I'm very pleased to see these guys come along and so well fit in. Based on some "other forum" attacks in the past, we've all become leary of newcomers. AND other brands have their issues with figuring Hummer owners are a bunch of snobs & elitist who think they're better then everyone else.

It's great to see we can all get along and rise above the little issues. I only wish Kelley & Melissa could be here to see this.

In the end, we all just like to get out and enjoy the outdoors with our toys. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have a completely unique idea....why not celebrate this collaboration of multi-brand cooperation with some kind of national holiday. We could call it....say....."Thanksgiving" and we could celebrate it every...say...November, on the 3rd Thursday of said month? That shouldn't conflict with any other dates. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously...this is a good thing that I'm happy to see happening here.

[Cranky Steve]

I glad to see this thread still going, and to also see the continued support from Wheelers no mater what brand rig.

Kudos to all!

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

[DRTYFN]

O.k. Guys & Gals,
It's getting close to our Rubicon Run and I'm curious as to how many of you will be showing up?

Please reply and also list what type of vehicle you'll be driving.

[DennisAJC]

Too many obligations till XMAS.

I`ll be thinking of you *******s when you`re up there. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Be careful and have FUN!!!!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[hognose]

DRTYFN,
Have you posted the itinerary? I'm gonna try to meet up with you guys but it depends on what your plans are. Sorry if I've missed where you posted this before but some specifics like when, where, how long, etc, will help me make the call. I live about 40 minutes from the head of the ruby but haven't quite bought in to running the whole thing yet. Thanks!

Chris

[DRTYFN]

I'll have an itinerary this week. Tentatively we're going to meet up at Loon Lake Friday at around 1:00pm and then wheel up to Spider Lake to camp that night. We'll get up Saturday morning to start the 'Con. Not sure if we'll run the whole trail.

Dennis,
I want you to go to your "special" corner and pray for some better language. And it's not *******s, it's rectums. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
You didn't fire your secretary, did you?

[DennisAJC]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[DRTYFN]

Now now, that's not a very christian icon.
Friendly, happy thoughts. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DRTYFN]

WEATHER UPDATES FOR THE RUBICON.
Bookmark this link and check the weather forecast for the Rubicon.

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USCA0888?x=0&lswe=pollock+pines%2C+ca&lswa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&whatprefs=&y=0

Looks like it's going to be great weather. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Cranky Steve]

Not sure what my schedule is Saturday, but I may be able to wheel with with you guys on Saturday

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Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

[hognose]

Yo Cranky Steve,
I'm from P'ville too. If we don't make this one we'll still have to hook up for some wheelin some time.

Chris

[Keith Strong]

You know......we didnt come in here and start cussing and throwing attitude at you....we were polite and most of us offered to help you guys in some way, with both running the trail and EDUCATION on how imprtant it is to preserve the Rubicon Trail. If you guys think you are so above the people of the PBB, why would you stoop to that level? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

www.rps4wd.com (http://www.rps4wd.com)

[DRTYFN]

I sincerely hope so, Keith. It would be nice to get along with fellow 4x'ers, no matter which rig you choose or how extreme(or not) you happen to be. I know my H2 isn't going to do a lot of the things some of the rigs out there are going to do. But I also know that those same rigs aren't going have the duality of purpose like the H2. But I'm not gonna lose any sleep or get irritable bowel syndrome over it either.

And I never said you came in cussing and acting like Hillary Clinton pissed off. But we didn't go into PBB and act like a friend and then come back here to brag of our ****ty little deeds(like JRT).

[XM DUDE]

Please post killer video for those who coulden't make it.

XM SATELLITE RADIO Killing AM and FM one sub at a time.

[DennisAJC]

Buckeye,

You've inspired me to dig up my "Best of Van Halen"

Be cruising today to Panama!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Jason]

<<<< NOTE >>>>


Most of this thread with the threats, insults, bickering, etc. has been removed.

This is an excellent thread with a lot of info we all can use, but the b.s. that was removed added nothing to the thread or the site for that matter.

I apologize if I got a little trigger happy, but did my best to remove only the worthless stuff.

Regards,
Jason

<<<< END OF NOTE >>>>

[This message was edited by Jason on 10-09-03 at 10:22 AM.]

[This message was edited by Jason on 10-09-03 at 10:22 AM.]

[DennisAJC]

Now that's a photo made in Heaven.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[crash]

look at that rock :drool:

certified H2 tech.

[HummerTeam]

The photo above was from our Katemcy Run this weekend. Please note Jeeps, Trucks, Rovers, H1's and H2's.... We did not even have to have one knife fight the entire weekend...imagine that.

Travis

http://www.HummerTeam.com

[Detonate]

Damn. You managed to get 1 picture of my rig the whole weekend?

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[crash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HummerTeam:
The photo above was from our Katemcy Run this weekend. Please note Jeeps, Trucks, Rovers, H1's and H2's.... We did not even have to have one knife fight the entire weekend...imagine that.

Travis

http://www.HummerTeam.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what part of the country is that?

certified H2 tech.

[HummerTeam]

Jim, I had almost 900 pictures and had to cut em down. You ran off with the Tough Country boys for most of the time, and we missed you the entire first day! I'll see what I can find.

It is located near Austin Texas

Travis

http://www.HummerTeam.com

[Steve R]

Lighten-up guys....things could be worse!

[crash]

Steve, love that pic every time I see it...

certified H2 tech.

[Brandon]

kinda related, a group of suburu's went through the con a little bit back, honest!

[hognose]

Guys,
I don't wanna take sides here as I don't believe there is a "right" side of this fence. I have an H2 and I just recently sold a Jeep but no matter what vehicle I drive it all comes down to the fact I love to "get it" off road.

We all get the "inside" jokes in our respective groups. In the threads on "that" site did many of you not notice how hard they trash talk each other? It's all about context, while I may not agree with the exact written word you simply MUST consider the context and the manner in which any given group communicates with each other. People slam MAC frequently but all the "insiders" know how unique and scarily true his perspective is... and the ribbing is good natured! The same thing goes for DRTYFN, he communicates in an impressively open manner many people only use with their closest friends but taken out of context his direct comments could be misinterpreted. (He makes me laugh frequently).

Whatever board you visit there is always a group synergy and tone. Taken out of context in tone or sarcasm many of our own boards postings could be(and have been) taken as very serious rather than the light hearted, or sarcastic, manner in which they were intended.

Whether we agree with the exact statements in some messages or not we have some form of context for postings and automatically apply this "filter" to the way we perceive what is written within our own forums. I would submit, and request, that when someone posts something in their own board, that we all at the very least understand that they also have their own "context" and insider terms that we do not fully understand. Basically, assume the BEST about others, and not the WORST. I could go on but will let it go...

Keith, Steve, or anybody else for that matter, if we ever meet on a trail, let me be the first to extend my hand and offer you a beer, for we all share the common bond of enjoying the outdoors and pushing our vehicle limits off road. If you lead me somewhere I cannot follow...well... I guess that means I owe you another beer and I'll be getting to work on my rig so the next time we hit the trail you'll be the one getting winched out....by me...;-)


Chris

[FULLSIZE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hognose:

Keith, Steve, or anybody else for that matter, if we ever meet on a trail, let me be the first to extend my hand and offer you a beer, for we all share the common bond of enjoying the outdoors and pushing our vehicle limits off road. If you lead me somewhere I cannot follow...well... I guess that means I owe you another beer and I'll be getting to work on my rig so the next time we hit the trail you'll be the one getting winched out....by me...;-)


Chris<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

very well said. i would gladly have and open tool box or cooler for a guy with an attitude like yours. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

a heep with big rubber for runnin over little(sluice)rocks

[crash]

Like the tone change...

I agree, doesn't matter what you wheel..

certified H2 tech.

[Keith Strong]

OK. I am only going address a couple things for the last time and hopefully clarify MY position about you guys.

1. Damage to your rigs. I believe you WILL incur damage to your rigs on the con. I PERSONALLY would not take my 40, 50 or 60K dollar rig on that trail. I think you guys are crazy for doing so. BUT! I think its COOL! I love the fact that you guys are willing to take your rigs in to a trail where damage is all but inevitable. I think its sweet you guys enjoy wheeling and are willing to wheel your Hummers. Many people are street pansie mall crawlers and I respect you guys for using your rigs for their intended purpose. I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING TO INTENTIONALLY INFLECT HARM OR DAMAGE TO ANYONE"S VEHICLE OR PERSON. For you guys to say I want to inflect damage on your rigs is ludicrous. How could I do that? I wont be driving. But I will not lie and say I dont like to see carnage (from ANY rig) and dont expect to see it on your rigs. I was not one of the people on the PBB saying the mean things you are accusing me of. What I have said has been clearly stated in this thread, and I will be happy to speak to anyone about it face to face, on the phone, or via e-mail. I have nothing to hide.

2. Leaving a hummer on the trail. I think I worded this poorly before. My comment was intended DIRECTLY at Dennis. Anyone that has ever met me, wheeled with me, or come across me in life knows I am the first one to offer help. I have GIVEN out many parts on the trail, assisted in vehicle recovery's, stacked rocks, winched, and wrenched on random people's rigs too many times to count. I have been on the broken side of the fence as well. Dennis rubbed me the wrong way with his threats of Guns and Violence, and I have little to no tolerance for that. I spoke rashly and apologize to everyone EXCEPT Dennis. I would drive around him on the trail as he has proven to me he is not a contributing member of the off road community. I can even sight an example of the time I was peacefully enjoying a Sunday on my couch with my wife, and got a call from a club member. A friend of HIS I barely knew was broken on the con. I loaded up all my gear and tools and parts and spent 8-9 hours helping that person fix his rig (replaced his entire front axle) ON THE TRAIL.

3. Sincerity. I was sincere from the start about helping those individuals that wish to go to the con. I had convinced my club to change their original plans from running the Fordyce trail that weekend to going to the con to assist them. Since then and due to some other circumstances group wide we have decided to stick with the original fordyce plan, but my hand is still extended to assist you guys in any runs I possibly can. I will reiterate I think its COOL you guys are gonna run the trail.

To set the record straight. I am a nice guy. I help people whenever I possibly can.....both on the trail or in general life. I view the 4x4 world as a COMMUNITY the same way I view people in the world. I am not racist against skin color or ethnic background....so why the hell would I care what kind of vehicle you drive? I might tease you about breaking something......or heckle you through an obstacle.....but I can GUARANTEE I have probably broken more parts in a weekend on the con than most of you EVER HAVE! I have been there, done that, and I too will be the first one out of my rig to offer my hand shake and a beer, and also the first one out of my rig to stack rocks, help spot, or turn a wrench for anyone that needs it.

I hope that will clarify for you guys where I stand.

www.rps4wd.com (http://www.rps4wd.com)

[This message was edited by Keith Strong on 10-08-03 at 08:20 AM.]

[Keith Strong]

By the way Chris (hognose)

My hats off to you....said with eloquence and perfection.....exactly what everyone needs to remember.

http://www.rps4wd.com/YaBBImages/smilies/beer.gif

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[This message was edited by Keith Strong on 10-08-03 at 08:32 AM.]

[Cranky Steve]

I could not have said it better than Brandon, Fullsize, Keith or hognose have. My hat's off to you guys as well!

http://www.rps4wd.com/YaBBImages/smilies/beer.gif

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

[DennisAJC]

Keith,

It's nice to know all it was all directed at me. So be it. These are a bunch of good people on this Forum. If you had been here long enough you would see why tempers get out of hand. Pictures are thrown, names are called, threats are insinuated. Seriously, go back on these threads and topics. The **** we get exposed to in 1 month(IN REAL LIFE), you would never see in years.

GUNS AND VIOLENCE???? I think you are more educated than that. Any Forum member would (including YOU) would react the same way to threats planned by the pricks from pirate. Most of these guys including me have families who love the H2 and ride in it constantly.

Aside from the ooohhs and aaahhhs, we get sneers, jeers, fingers, spit, gum, keys, kicks, burns, sugar, you name it..it's been done.

If a person guides my family into danger through the guise of good will and one of my kids gets seriously harmed...or my wife, myself???

If I had a knife......
If I had a gun......
If I had a rope.....
My bare hands...
Would you Keith??? Would anyone? Sure let the law handle it. But in many cases, by the time the cops get there...it's too late.

Simply put, if it were MY family, yes I would use my rescources to it's fullest...It's just me.

I've read your post at RPS, well...your public posts. You guys like to talk in code or some **** talk you guys agreed to in private before you went public, I don't care. Seems harmless. Mabye you are a good guy and I hope you are what you stated you are. So are we. We just want to have fun. But for us, sometimes it's hard to have fun.

Mabye someday, I'll hand you a beer.

Have fun everyone and be safe.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Brandon]

Just to clarify something here, most of us "other rig wheelers" have families too..

I do not carry a gun, or a knife. If some ahole messed with my family I would not fight unless it was defense and a last resort. I appreciate a rig that someone has put their time and work into, I'll admit I am more of a built than bought person but I can appreciate any rig and any driver that appreciates the sport.

Here is me and my son in a 53 M38A1. I see kids on the trail all the time, and just wanted to stress that point since Dennis seems to use family like it is something we don't have..

http://rcrc4x4.com/TechReports/BornAgain/Body/05-04-03%20049.jpg

[DennisAJC]

Brandon,

Cute kid. I don't have a beef with you.
Keith and I are just trying to understand each other.

Being an ex-heeper, I do admire your rig.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Steve R]

LORD HAVE MERCY.....or Jason, put an end to this thread....

Dennis...it's time to stand-down and give it a break. You're a very good guy, but this thread has brought out the worst in you. I think a lot of your humor flies by people and is perhaps interpreted in an ill manner. Because this thead has gone well beyond topic...I'm gonna ask that you stand-down and just put this all behind you. Please...this is not a productive thing, and you know darn well how much time can be spent wasted on this...I'm asking you to stand-down....

Keith...that was an excellent post and while I can't speak for the majority of people here...I think everything is very cool with you and your buds at this point. I want to sorta thank you for tolerating some abusive crap that came your way. As it has been pointed out, we're a bit of an abused group with a bumpy history or "attacks". Most other brands scoff at us...and even our own H1 brothers give us grief on occassion.

I don't think these you guys (Keith, etc) wanted to see our H2's get trashed...they're just proud of their trail, their rigs and what they can accomplish. I myself have taken a few "other" rigs on trails where I figure they may have trouble. I don't think anyone wants to see damage, carnage or harm come to anyone or any rig. Those guys were just talkin' house on their own forum. If you know what I mean, great....if you don't, I doubt I could explain it.

JRT, you're welcome and have always been welcome to join us in Big Bear or wherever we go...do I have ya on my email list?

Somebody on their list said: a moron can get a rock-buggy stuck in a gravel pit, and an expert driver can get a stock rig through the 'con' without a scratch.

In the end...they're just different vehicles. I can throw 6 adults, dressed in formal wear in my Hummer, drive them 2 hours smoothly at 85 mph and arrive in comfort. These rock-crawlers are purpose-specific. There is no comparison...and I don't think these guys were trying to compare anyways.

[Loppy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Loppy,

I respect that, you may be correct. But just surf around. Mabye you'll understand.
As for hiding behind the key board well...check my posts...I'll invite you too.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I don't see myself in Canada anytime soon. However if I were to be lucky enough to find myself in your neck of the woods, I would be excited by the prospect of some lively discussion and malted beverages. Weather it's true in your case or not, my statement remains the same. Being a tough guy behind a keyboard is pointless and rediculous. We've all seen them come and go. I myself and not afraid of physical confrontation and am well equipped to perform what is necessary. But I do not cross bridges before they appear. You sound like a very intellegent person, I'm sure you realize the waste of bandwidth it is to talk about fighting on the internet. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I will say this in your defense. There is some very moronic and worthless trash that frequent the Pirate BB. Myself and my friends, who have been on that board since it incepted have had to deal with them too. I did not see the Pirate BB thread that started the flame war, but I can completely understand why you reacted to what I can immagine was less than thoughful comments. But please, do not automatically associate such mindless imbosils with us and the other guys who posted up and wanted to wheel with guys here. We were and continue to be honest and sincere. We're not unlike the crowd here at all. We just choose other brands of vehicle. The key word here is choose.

So there it is. I hope you find it in your heart to understand where I am comming from and we can all let this go and have some fun on the trail. I know I'm ready!

One more thing. You mentioned you're in the Sacramento area on business here and then. Don't hesitate to contact me. We can share beer or throw down. I'd prefer the former, but either is fine by me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We can even run up the hill and run the Con. Hell, you can even drive my junk, if you think you can handle being seen in it. (that was a joke! hahaha...)

Cheers,

Jeff

Scars are tattos with better stories

[DennisAJC]

Loppy,

I was just in the middle of sending you an apology off topic! Yes I'm for that!

The beer that is, physical confrontation would have to be booked by my secretary!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Cranky Steve]

That's great Dennis, how 'bout an apology to the rest of us so called "Trolls"?

I've read this whole thread over several times and when I see the first few very friendly exchanges you and I had still fail to see what set you off so hard on us.

So, if this will help you, I offer my sincere appology to you, for whatever I may have done that offended you. Let us all know when your in Nor Cal, beers on us.

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

[DennisAJC]

I think for the good of the Forum, I'll say this...

To all the guests to this Forum who have contibuted with good intentions, I AM SORRY you had to endure my vomit.

To all the Forum Members, I am especially sorry for my behaviour. Regardless of what I'm feeling now for Detonate, the apology extends to him.

No apology for the trolls.

Let's move on...

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Loppy]

E group hug. *tear in eye*

Back on topic:

I think we're going to stick with the original plan and run Fordyce that weekend unless we can be convinced otherwise. Any of you guys interested in Fordyce? I know it does'nt have the Rubicon name, but let me tell you, if you have'nt run it, you need to. One helluva trail. In many aspects, better than Con. Kick it around...

Scars are tattos with better stories

[JRT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cranky Steve:

So, if this will help you, I offer my sincere appology to you, for whatever I may have done that offended you. Let us all know when your in Nor Cal, beers on us.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Don't need an apology here (mostly because I was an antagonist as well) but I would extend the same offer from the SoCal area.

d

[Loppy]

Oh, and thanks Dennis for your email. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Scars are tattos with better stories

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec W:
Dennis, go read the link I just posted in off topic and send it to your wife. Maybe that will take your mind off this for a while
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Thanks Alec! Wifey agrees. Gonna get sum tonight! Gonna, Gonna, GONNNNAAAA git sum tonight!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Steve R]

.....and so, once again...peace and harmony prevails over the H2 forum http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I saw a pic of Loppy over on their forum...and I just knew he'd help orchestrate some peace and mellowness in his own Jerry Garcia-ish sort of way. They say you can't judge a book by the cover....but that guy just transcends harmony and eminates a radiant aura...THAT or he just has gas. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Hats off to ya bro!

I thoroughly intend on taking you guys up on your offer to escourt us through some of that beautiful area. We've got ourselves a swell club of adventurers eager to explore....I couldn't think of better guides/co-pilots!

Here's my challenge to you: get our wide-ass, limited articulating, low-clearance, 3-ton+ vehicles through what you consider some of your finest trails......without damage! There's your challenge...let's see which one of you RPSer's can get these pigs to dance! Since we're coming from hundreds of miles away...we really can't risk tearing things apart..so a scenic tour with some fun obstacles would be delightful.

I'd also love to see you guys tackling the nastiest of the nasty...and by that I don't mean having to pay to fill our gas tanks http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I'm talking about finding some nasty areas on the con and getting some kind video shots!

I'd kill for an opporutnity to drive some of those rigs too.

[Brandon]

I'd highly suggest doing the "short loop" of Fordyce, I don't think the width would be an issue and it is a beautiful trail.

The full trail would be interesting because of a few spots but doable. Trees would not be your friend on the Rubicon, you would be true tree huggers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Actually since they re-routed the trail go in wentworth and honestly width is not as much as an issue any more. Wentworth is a great campground, then you go till you don't want to go anymore, maybe go back to camp.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec W:
btw, this must be one of the longest treads in our short history.

Jason you are the man for leaving these things alone to run thier course. Best moderator (or lack there of http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) on the web. On that note can you please add :flipoff2: to the list of icons?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes please! With the flipoff2 icon, you`d rarely see my crap as much! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Cranky Steve]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Yes please! With the flipoff2 icon, you`d rarely see my crap as much! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Is that all we need to give you?

Ask and you shall receive

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[Zing]

I just noticed this thread. You guys are crazy. I love this forum.

[blackhawkdown]

Hey Guys,

I am supposed to be on the 'con this weekend, but if any of you could swing getting out with this group on their Fordyce cleanup (a short drive from Sacramento), it would sure go a long way to show that H2s fit in with the off roading crowd ...

http://pub151.ezboard.com/ffourdice4wheeldriveclubbulletinboardfrm16

If it happens to snow, or my plans change I may head here instead ... Fordyce is a fun trail ... all of the really hard obstacles have bypasses for those that enjoy seeing the extreme stuff, but don't have the confidence to put their on rig through ...

-Dax
'02 Black H1 Wagon

[Steve R]

might this happen to be His Divine Jollyness?

[Dan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Thanks Alec! Wifey agrees. Gonna get sum tonight! Gonna, Gonna, GONNNNAAAA git sum tonight!...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Poor wife.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/em4762/pg8b.gif

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[Jason]

Glad to see cooler heads prevail!

Now the question is: are any of you against me removing some of the "worthless" posts on this thread.

There is some good info on here and it might be good to continue that conversation?

You comments and opinions are welcomed.

Jason

[blackhawkdown]

I don't know about divineness, but yes it is me ...

-Dax

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
might this happen to be His Divine Jollyness?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[DRTYFN]

Jason,
That's funny, I was thinking about emailing you last night regarding that.
Go right ahead and remove the garbage.

[crash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jason:
Glad to see cooler heads prevail!

Now the question is: are any of you against me removing some of the "worthless" posts on this thread.

There is some good info on here and it might be good to continue that conversation?

You comments and opinions are welcomed.

Jason<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

being a mod also of a big bbs, do as you feel fit, but I think there is some good stuff on this thread...

And to those who wanna take there H2's down the con, make sure to get lots of pics

certified H2 tech.

[Keith Strong]

Everyone is invited to join us to run Fordyce trail on a day run Sat Oct 18th. Feel free to email me if you want to hook up with us. kstrongsyj@yahoo.com

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[Loppy]

"Gerry Garcia - like" Man, I've been called alot of things, but 'Gerry Garcia like' has NEVER been one of them. LMFAO! I can't stand bleeding hearts and especially tree hugg'n live'n off the doll worthless hippie freaks that contribute little or nothing to society. I'm actually quite the hell raiser. I put the "fun" in disfunctional. Our beer drinking club has a rock crawling problem. etc. I just loathe folks, who should be on the same side argue and bicker over lame acts and statements by a few malcontents. They are not the majority and we need to stick together. Besides, meeting new folk is what it's all about. Having thick skin helps.

I am very busy today and wont be back till next tuesday. Let us know what your plans are and we'll attempt to be there for ya. Or come do Fordyce with us. Either way, lets try and hook up soon. Nov 1. Fordyce cleanup run? We'll be there for that too.

Disclaimer: Loppy does not condone nor tollerate the misuse or abuse of hippies, tree huggers or worthless people. No hippies were hurt during the making of this post. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Scars are tattos with better stories

[DennisAJC]

Jason,

Remove it! Especially the dumb comments that LOSER made. Some people http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Anyone have access to "Birds Eye View" map of the Con?

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

"Give a guy a Civic, he thinks he has a Ferrari.
So is true with yours...Give it up! It`s not a Hummer."

[Zing]

Jason, I generally support the laissez faire let things be approach. But removing some of arguing I think makes a cleaner thread and is a good thing. My 2c

[Loppy]

http://www.winecountryrockcrawlers.org/runrpts/rubicon03a/index.htm

RPS and my dads club were just up there a few weeks ago. Check out my dad's club site, here's some decent pics with an idea of what you'll be dealing with.

The second (I think) pic is my black YJ on 38's and beadlocks on it's nose. A few pics later, that's Gatekeeper. It's the first obsticle and probably the one you'll have the most trouble with. After that, there's ALOT of wheel'n even a Subaru can handle. Enjoy

Scars are tattos with better stories

[DennisAJC]

Thanks Loppy

Jason fowarded your long winded e-mail to me http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Much appreciated and I will be doing the same.

[Brandon]

I got one on my site Dennis..

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/TrailReports/Rubicon/Rubicon.html

been meaning to update it..

[crash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brandon:
I got one on my site Dennis..

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/TrailReports/Rubicon/Rubicon.html

been meaning to update it..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

slacker http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I realllly wanna get back down there, and hook up with a few RCRC guys again, but this time, we will not have rollie landing on my rig again http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

certified H2 tech.

[Cranky Steve]

Don't worry Crash. Looks like you have perfected the perfect defense aginst Rollie:

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/uploads//crash_flop_5102003.jpg

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[DennisAJC]

Jason,

You missed one on page 6! Errr...or is that one acceptable, it was quite emotional.

After going through this thread again is like watching Basic Instinct on Skinamax then watching the chop chop version on TBS.

[DRTYFN]

COUNTDOWN: 7 days and about 1 hour 45 minutes to rendezvous at Loon Lake trail head.
Please give a reply if you're going to show up.

[Cranky Steve]

4 days and counting! When I see the caravan of Hummers on Hwy 50 I'll know exactly where the're going http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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[DRTYFN]

Be nice and don't throw anything at me.
I don't know about a caravan. Haven't had any confirmations. Might just be a couple of us. We might be able to fly under the radar and avoid heckling. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DRTYFN]

For those of you planning on going to the Rubicon, whether it be this weekend(hopefully) or some time in the future, bookmark this site:

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/Rubicon/index.html

It's a great source of info.


Meeting Friday at Loon lake trailhead at around 1pm. Then wheeling up to Spider lake to camp for the night.
Hope to see you there.

[Cranky Steve]

From a post by a local on a BB in Nor cal:

Just got back... saw no one on the trail but a couple people at little sluice. Then again we were there in the middle of the week.

Be sure to have the right sleeping bag/blankets.. it's in the mid/high 20s there now at night...


Also be aware there are Bears on the Con, and rumor is they were relocated from Yosemite, and are not terribly shy. Take apropriate precautions with food items etc.

Were expecting another beutiful weekend weather wise here in the Mountains, daytime temps should be in the 70's.

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[Buckeye Hummer]

Cranky,

Nice suggestion on the bears. I just camped with my two daughters about 6 weeks ago at Yosemite. Freakin' bears everywhere. All night we heard the rangers popping them with rubber bullets and these things moaning, not to mention the one directly in front of my tent (app 12') that I happened to run across while my daughter had to take a leak.

If you don't know about bears read up on them. They are all black/brown no grizzlies like the ones that killed the guy in Alaska but they can still do plenty of damage if you corner them.

[crash]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cranky Steve:
Don't worry Crash. Looks like you have perfected the perfect defense aginst Rollie:

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/uploads//crash_flop_5102003.jpg

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA http://www.rcrc4x4.com
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, that evil jeep knocked me over, really (don't believe me huh)

Yes, be very carefull with your food, the second night, a bear got my food, all of it, and then had the nerve to leave parts of it down the trail torwards rubicon springs. And the last night, a group across from us had a bear literally rip a seat out of a rig going after a can of nuts(next thing you know they will be going for the beer,lol)

certified H2 tech.