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DRTYFN
04-24-2008, 05:05 PM
Soon, the Arabs can go pound sand. Besides, Brazilian women are infinitely better to look at and don't have mustaches.:clapping:
Brazil Oil Finds May End Reliance on Middle East, Zeihan Says
April 24 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil's discoveries of what may be two of the world's three biggest oil finds in the past 30 years could help end the Western Hemisphere's reliance on Middle East crude, Strategic Forecasting Inc. said.

Saudi Arabia's influence as the biggest oil exporter would wane if the fields are as big as advertised, and China and India would become dominant buyers of Persian Gulf oil, said Peter Zeihan, vice president of analysis at Strategic Forecasting in Austin, Texas. Zeihan's firm, which consults for companies and governments around the world, was described in a 2001 Barron's article as ``the shadow CIA.''

Brazil may be pumping ``several million'' barrels of crude daily by 2020, vaulting the nation into the ranks of the world's seven biggest producers, Zeihan said in a telephone interview. The U.S. Navy's presence in the Persian Gulf and adjacent waters would be reduced, leaving the region exposed to more conflict, he said.

``We could see that world becoming a very violent one,'' said Zeihan, former chief of Middle East and East Asia analysis for Strategic Forecasting. ``If the United States isn't getting any crude from the Gulf, what benefit does it have in policing the Gulf anymore? All of the geopolitical flux that wracks that region regularly suddenly isn't our problem.''

Tupi and Carioca

Brazil's state-controlled Petroleo Brasileiro SA in November said the offshore Tupi field may hold 8 billion barrels of recoverable crude. Among discoveries in the past 30 years, only the 15-billion-barrel Kashagan field in Kazakhstan is larger.

Haroldo Lima, director of the country's oil agency, last week said another subsea field, Carioca, may have 33 billion barrels of oil. That would be the third biggest field in history, behind only the Ghawar field in Saudi Arabia and Burgan in Kuwait.

Analysts Mark Flannery of Credit Suisse Group and Gustavo Gattass of UBS AG challenge the estimate for Carioca. Lima, the Brazilian oil agency director, later attributed the figure to a magazine.

Flannery told clients during an April 16 conference call that 600 million barrels is a ``reasonable'' estimate and suggested Lima may have been referring to the entire geologic formation to which Carioca belongs.

Supply Boost

Carioca is one of seven fields identified so far in the BM- S-9 exploration area, part of a formation called Sugar Loaf.

If additional drilling by Petrobras, as Petroleo Brasileiro is known, confirms the Tupi and Carioca estimates, the fields together would contain enough oil to supply every refinery on the U.S. Gulf Coast for 15 years. Petrobras said it needs at least three months to determine how much crude Carioca may hold.

Zeihan said that beyond supply gains from Brazil, it will take a tripling of Canadian oil-sands output and greater fuel efficiency to end Western reliance on Middle East oil.

The U.S. imports about 10 million barrels of oil a day, or 66 percent of its needs, according to the Energy Department in Washington. Saudi Arabia was the second-largest supplier in January, behind Canada.

Persian Gulf nations accounted for 23 percent of U.S. imports, compared with Brazil's 1.7 percent share. Brazilian crude output rose 1.9 percent last year to 2.14 million barrels, according to the International Energy Agency.

``Hemispheric energy independence sounds a little pie-in- the-sky given that this hemisphere already is generating one- third of overall global demand,'' said Jason Gammel, an oil analyst at Macquarie Bank Ltd. in New York. ``It's pretty tough to talk about self-sufficiency unless we were to see food-based biofuels taking an even bigger role in the next five to 10 years than is already mandated.''

Offshore Fields

Zeihan predicts a 2012 start to production at Tupi. Technology needed to tap fields like Tupi, which sit hundreds of miles offshore beneath thousands of feet of rock, sand and salt, hasn't been developed, he said.

Petrobras, Chevron Corp., Royal Dutch Shell Plc and Norsk Hydro ASA plan to start pumping oil from eight Brazilian fields in the next 2 1/2 years that will produce a combined 1.02 million barrels a day, enough to supply two-thirds of the crude used by U.S. East Coast refineries.

More discoveries will follow in Brazil's offshore basins, most of which have yet to be opened to exploration, Zeihan said. Repsol YPF SA, Exxon Mobil Corp. and Devon Energy Corp. are among the producers scouring Brazil's waters for reserves.

``The finds they've got so far are just the tip of the iceberg,'' Zeihan said. ``Brazil is going to change the balance of the global oil markets, and Petrobras will become a geopolitical supermajor.''


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aBUoYKhu7PWk

DennisAJC
04-24-2008, 05:18 PM
That's excellent news. Pipelines would make the oil very cheap. Now if they can only make more refineries.

We can keep everything on our side of the world. Or is that racist?:clapping:

KenP
04-24-2008, 05:27 PM
More US refineries would be great, but we can blame the liberals and enviro-freaks for no new ones in decades.

And maybe we should start drilling in ANWAR.

FWIW, before the democraps took over Congress, the price of gas was manageable.

DennisAJC
04-24-2008, 05:30 PM
Pipeline + More refineries = 1990 gas prices:)

BKLYNH2
04-24-2008, 05:37 PM
Why couldn't you have given us this tidbit of info, like 2 years ago? :confused: :(

MDimitri
04-24-2008, 05:40 PM
Yea, I heard about this discovery a while back when there was alot of talk about the offshore reserves and work going on over the last 4 years to research it's potential. Good to hear that the US will reduce it's dependance on the east. Here in Alberta we are currently working on opening two more refineries along with the 4 in the USA that are being currently converted over to better handle our heavy crude. I know that Syncrude is working on a massive upgrade project that would greatly assist in refining bitumane and heavy crude. Projects along with drilling and surveying of Northern BC and Saskatchewan are showing tremendous reserves.

I think that if there was anyway possible that we on the Western hemisphere could look at setting up our own oil prices based on the fact there is very very little volatility here and that our supply chains would be stable for centuries to come, this would greatly aid in stabalizing oil prices and get our economies moving in the direction of prosperity as opposed to the ever forboding depression we are heading in. Let the Europeans and Asians start taking care of the garbage in their backyards...bring home our troops, close the bases down where the troops are loathed and let those countries fend for themseleves, diversify investment back into the North American & South American economies, bring back the expertise and quality products we used to manufacture and supply here rather than the over priced plastic/metallic poisonous crap from over seas.


My Thoughts..

Cheers!

:)

DennisAJC
04-24-2008, 05:44 PM
Yea, I heard about this discovery a while back when there was alot of talk about the offshore reserves and work going on over the last 4 years to research it's potential. Good to hear that the US will reduce it's dependance on the east. Here in Alberta we are currently working on opening two more refineries along with the 4 in the USA that are being currently converted over to better handle our heavy crude. I know that Syncrude is working on a massive upgrade project that would greatly assist in refining bitumane and heavy crude. Projects along with drilling and surveying of Northern BC and Saskatchewan are showing tremendous reserves.

I think that if there was anyway possible that we on the Western hemisphere could look at setting up our own oil prices based on the fact there is very very little volatility here and that our supply chains would be stable for centuries to come, this would greatly aid in stabalizing oil prices and get our economies moving in the direction of prosperity as opposed to the ever forboding depression we are heading in.

My Thoughts..

Cheers!

:)


Oil in the hands of a civilized society. That's the way it should be. :beerchug:

DRTYFN
04-24-2008, 05:56 PM
I've always had the opinion that we(the U.S.) wanted to use up the Middle East's oil first before cracking the seal on ours.:clapping:

MDimitri
04-24-2008, 06:03 PM
Ahhhhh...Reverse the dependancy process!!! Have them rely on us for supplies!! Oil price for North and South America: $1.75/gallon...Everyone else: $15.00/gallon...

BRILLIANT!!


:perfect10s:

BKLYNH2
04-24-2008, 06:12 PM
Except for the fact that they won't have any cash, without there oil to pay for it.:(

Agriv8r
04-24-2008, 06:24 PM
2020....I WANT IT NOW......

wpage
04-24-2008, 08:43 PM
We need a strong energy policy here. Starting with Nuclear and other alternative electric generation. And a realistic pursuit of getting the oil out that is in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico.
The current congress needs to get going and stop the path of dependence on oil provided by our enemy...
Currently France uses nuclear to produce 80% of their electrical demands with no carbon footprint! Would any of us doubt that our science community that has done so much not have a solution if it were not for OUR Gov...

mdoyle
04-24-2008, 10:17 PM
Folks I worked on a couple of the largest platform projects in the World off the coast of Brazil for Petrobras (P52 & P54) and I can say with certainty that the price of gasoline has less to do with supply, reserves, and production than it does with traders and energy companies.

The "summer driving season" is just a B.S. smokescreen. Right now there are more confirmed formations to be tapped than ever before and more equipment for recovery but you won't see $2 a gallon gas ever again.

When P52 fully comes online in Brazil it will increase Brazil's total oil output by 10%, that's a hell of a lot of oil and should make a meaningful surge in supply.

But you and I won't see that reflected at the pumps, sorry to be a buzz kill.....

KenP
04-24-2008, 10:21 PM
When P52 fully comes online in Brazil it will increase Brazil's total oil output by 10%, that's a hell of a lot of oil and should make a meaningful surge in supply.

But you and I won't see that reflected at the pumps, sorry to be a buzz kill.....Not having the ability to refine the oil is a major obstacle to lower prices in the West. If we can't refine our oil, then what we drill really doesn't matter.

Next time some eco-terrorist bitches about the price of gas, tell them to get off the backs of oil companies and let them build refineries.

06-H3
04-24-2008, 10:51 PM
Seems this discoveries that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil comes along every 2-5 years, and goes no where fast. I just read an article a couple weeks ago about some massive discovery under Montana, the Dakotas and into Canada. Big whoop, we'll never see a decline in gas prices because we have become an overly sensitive nation of apologists. 230 years ago we would have gone down to the shipyards and hucked the barrels in the sea, today we'd be arrested and locked up for 20 years.

Big Dad
04-24-2008, 11:27 PM
ANWAR

:giggling: :giggling: :giggling:

CO Hummer
04-25-2008, 04:36 AM
Oil in the hands of a civilized society. That's the way it should be. :beerchug:

Amen!

I can't wait for the day when the Muslim countries no longer get a free ride to wealth. Their societies exist soley on consumption of natural resources. Never in their history have they ever PRODUCED anything. Ever. Nada. Zip. If you take away their oil, they will shrivel up and die.

DRTYFN
04-25-2008, 07:18 AM
Amen!

I can't wait for the day when the Muslim countries no longer get a free ride to wealth. Their societies exist soley on consumption of natural resources. Never in their history have they ever PRODUCED anything. Ever. Nada. Zip. If you take away their oil, they will shrivel up and die.

Don't they grow dates and make camel dung planters?

HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ
04-25-2008, 10:11 AM
There are deep sand oil formations all over the west and southwest. Southern Utah for one. It is just hard to get to. It will be there when needed.

Oil was found in west part of WV flowing out of ground into a stream on fire in early 1800's, east PA also along with southeast Ohio were not far behind. Thus co. named Quaker State and Penzoil.

I know for fact new oil wells are being drilled in those areas again now just going deeper as vain goes well on down. Old wells are being pulled redrilled to clean them out drilled a little deeper sometime or fracked (use of explosives sent down to bottom of hole that when exploded loosens the formation allowing oil to flow more easily to pump). Most of the pumps upgraded and put back in well and pumping as much or more than did before abandoned when there was no longer enough value to keep them running.

If this type of thing interest anyone as far as oil discovery and production in Our Countries early years look up town named Burning Springs,WV I think it is.
If wrong let me know and I will check facts but, fairly sure I got towns name correct.

Anyway USA has alot more oil than talked about if needed and price can justify as they cannot produce as much as Arabian wells per day. The general or occasional jest of letting them use their oil up first while we save OUR oil is not far from the truth. Drilling brand new wells in the areas mentioned was not really much consider until some independents just quietly tested and liked what they saw. They then jumped out there and bought up thousands of acres mineral rights in small oil fields, pockets, or vains and are developing them again as fast as possible. There are only about 1400 drill rigs of various types in USA and they are booked up out to 3 years or more. To buy a new fresh made rig is a 2 year waiting list. It makes no difference all wildcaters are calling in every favor or secret they hold on a drill owner to get holes.

In the 70's crisis my family got into taking old stripper wells in OK and shooting steam into them to make the produce 5 or 10 barrels a day. My family on cousin level branch designed the rig and patented it. There were others of different kinds. Family was one of first to think about trying so they grouped with some other wildcaters to cover cost to build the thing and all benefit from use of them as well as ones they built and sold.

Well just thought I would throw in there some of what little I know about our oil in our country. Numbers mentioned are loose as I do not have my personal references at hand so going by memory.

TAZ

Big Dad
04-25-2008, 05:44 PM
We could learn a lot from Syncrude's operations.

KenP
04-26-2008, 12:29 AM
Where the hell is J.R Ewing when you need him?

mdoyle
04-26-2008, 02:40 AM
As already mentioned you can use various processes to get production from old wells, acid fracturing is a popular one.

The point is that classic economics don't apply to oil prices- plain and simple.

Andy C
04-26-2008, 04:50 AM
Folks I worked on a couple of the largest platform projects in the World off the coast of Brazil for Petrobras (P52 & P54) and I can say with certainty that the price of gasoline has less to do with supply, reserves, and production than it does with traders and energy companies.

The "summer driving season" is just a B.S. smokescreen. Right now there are more confirmed formations to be tapped than ever before and more equipment for recovery but you won't see $2 a gallon gas ever again.

When P52 fully comes online in Brazil it will increase Brazil's total oil output by 10%, that's a hell of a lot of oil and should make a meaningful surge in supply.

But you and I won't see that reflected at the pumps, sorry to be a buzz kill.....

When were you in Brazil - I was the HSE manager for Stena Drilling down there with the Stena Tay - working for Shell and Petrobras around 2000 / 01.
Currently working for Chevron building the worlds tallest production platform - about 1200' for the jacket - here in Korea.