Jersey's H3 and the Tale of 25MPG

[jersey]

As requested I'm starting this thread to openly test the "miracle" fuel additive CA40G. I've stated I've gotten 25MPG. Some have scoffed, some have asked how. Let this thread bare out the truth of the matter.



Test 1 - Start 07-25-08

I filled up my tank and drove from my house to work, however I had a few errands to run before going in and therefore I did not accurately track the mileage. This morning I drove from work about 4 miles to shop for my quiet tires (Thanks for the advice on those by the way) When I finished I stopped and topped of my tank and went to my 2nd home (about 1 mile away from gas station)for some shuteye, just 5 blocks from work. Before going inside I zeroed the trip odometer and took the attached picture this morning. As you can see, It only took 4.40 gallons to top off. Remember, I drove 74mi. to work, then another hour of city driving, uptown to get my sister-in-law, then downtown to drop her off and then uptown to pathmark supermarket and then to work (about 15mi.) and then another 4 miles this AM shopping for tires at Sam's Club in Secaucus(going with the Good Year Silent Armor Wranglers at $162 each + $12 for balance, install and old tire throw away, but probably not until November since I still have decent tread left). So all told, about 93 miles. Divided by the top off 4.40 gallons...

BREAKDOWN

71 Highway miles
22 City miles

93 total miles

21.13mpg using my CA40G

Now remember, I'm topped off, I'm driving 5 blocks to work about an hour from now, in the morning lies a direct trip home where I'll stop and have the tank topped off again 5 blocks from home and I'll upload another image with the receipt showing how much gas was used on the return trip.
My trip home consists of about 3 city miles and about 71 highway miles give or take a mile or two. Either way the trip odometer is set at zero and will include the full actual miles traveled.
Check back tomorrow around noon for the update.

[H_Cubed]

Going by the H3's analog gauge and the odometer vs. how much gas the attendant squeezed into your tank (and filler neck) is not an accurate way to calculate fuel ecomomy and leaves a lot of margin of error.

How do you know your tank was absolutely full prior to the trip? Because the pump shut off? How can you verify that when you refilled your tank was top-offed? Unless you weigh the volume of the gas in the tank theres no possible method to insure that you are returning to that same volume. Plus you only drove the hummer on your one way trip with the additive. Theres no data about the same trip without for comparison. Depending on driving conditions you might have got the stated MPG regardless.

You really need something like a Scanguage II that hooks to the OBD to read acccurate MPG directly from the CPU.

I have used one, and I can tell you my H3 can get 97.2 MPG!...with a tailwind, coasting at 65 miles per hour down a 6-degree decline. I'm apparently also heavy with the foot off the line at redlights resulting in a measly 4.2 MPG. Good thing I'm not constantly accelerating. I guess thats why they use averages... :)

[jersey]

I know the tank is filled to the max because the places I go they keep tapping the handle til the gas spits back out at them.:) Maybe thats a Jersey thing? I don't know.
This test is going to be one way door to door each time I go direct to and from work and its the first in a series. I will do this for a couple of weeks. The trip odometer will do its thing, the gas station attendant will do his thing and the receipt I get will be demonstrative of my mpg. And while it isnt being scan guaged, it will be accurate enough to tell us if there is obvious gains. Accurate enough for me anyways. I've read here people getting 15-17mpg, and without the additive my first tank got me just 16mpg. My additive is getting me 21mpg minimum to me thats an obvious gain imho. Still I'm game for a challenge so here's an idea, howabout you buy a quart and do the test along side of mine. That way we can test the accuracy of H3s analog equipment and the productivity of the additive at the same time and as a bonus, you get to do all the sciency stuff you like to do! :iagree:
Also, if you visit the website, they've done all the scientific tests and have the results posted there. That would give you an opportunity to compare your results with their scientific studies. Then you can report back here with your findings as well. That'd be ideal.

If you're not interested in participating thats okay to, but lets keep in mind though that on my end its just a test to see how well the additive works with my H3 and my driving habits. If someone else is more leadfooted, or launches off the line routinely with their H3, I'd expect the results to vary from mine, but I'd still bet they see an overall gain.

I hope you do do it though, its an excellent opportunity. Let us all know. Thanks!

Edit:
You may not be aware that this thread is more a continuation of a conversation in another thread where I stated I had made the same trip without the additive and with the needle starting in the same "fill" state and also that my ride to and from work is virtually all flat, all highway with only two small hills in either direction. That trip is where I got the initial 16mpg and it was a normal everyday trip for me travelling at posted speed limits ranging 55mph to 65mph. I travel at off peak hours and dont idle at all in traffic as a result unless of course there is an accident or other emergency causing it. For testing purposes I will not count those trips.

[jersey]

OK its 12 noon as I begin to write this and I'm running a little behind schedule with the post because my daughter's French Toast breakfast waits for no one, you eat it hot or not at all.

OK I tried taking pictures of my trip, and was successful until the camera battery died. Then I switched to my blackberry cam and it also was dying. Still I managed by charging it so I could snap a couple pics on arrival at the gas station here at home.

The first 6 pics show my H3 parked in the lot across from my home away from home and the surrounding area including NYC skyline across the river. The lot is about 5 blocks from the firehouse I work at.

After that begins pics of my trip home on the turnpike and parkway south in the morning after work.

Final pics are me stopped for gas. And after I charged the camera battery for a half an hour I went out to my driveway and took pictures of the trip odometer, fill guage and the receipt.

I learned a couple of things along the way. First of all my total trip was 73.3 miles, not quite the 74 that I thought it was. My city driving was closer to 5 miles than 3 miles. And my highway miles were more like 68 miles than 71 miles, as I previously suggested.

The results were as follows:

73.3 total miles

This included a 5 block drive to work and a 5 block drive to my house after topping off.

The top off took a little more than 3 gallons. 3.30 gallons to be exact. Note that the pump clicked off a 2.88 gallons and the attendant squeezed it up to 3.30 gallons. See H, its a Jersey thing!

OK so here's the math:

73.3 miles divided by 3.3 gallons equals 22.21 mpg.

Not quite 25 mpg, but certainly still shows significant gains over what others are reporting. And more than the manufacturer is suggesting is even possible.

Bottom line I'm satisfied the product is working as promised and I'll continue to do the testing to ensure its as accurate as it can be without specialized equipment.

I go back to work on Tuesday so that'll be the next test. And by the by, the trip may yield slightly different mileage as some of the streets are One Way only traffic. But it shouldn't be far off.

In future posts I'll just put up the before and afters. Taking pics while driving aint as easy as it looks.

Edit:
I added 001.jpg late because I thought I already added it. Start with it and then go to 002 and then down from there. over all, the pics are boring shots of the road I travel. Of intrest; 005 is a shot from my window showing the World Trade Center site, 006 Empire State Building. 014-approaching the Parkway when camera beeped it was dying. 018-the money shot of the receipt.

[timgco]

:clapping: That's pretty good!!!!!!!

[TANDREW]

Just where do you buy this CA40G and is this what it's called?

[Desert Dan]

seems pretty expensive

One quart of CA40g is $32.50
One gallon of Ca40g is $110.00.

This is a fuel additive made by a company called CMH Industries. They originally forumlated it to work in tractors with diesels, but apparently they've found it works in any type of petroleum based fuel, and they are saying they guarantee an increase in fuel economy of 10%.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Its only around $1.00 per 20 gal fillup...@$4.00 per gal thats $81 vs $80...

Has anyone else tried it yet ?

[Desert Dan]

It's worth a try. Where do you buy it? On TV :)

I would like to see longer distance test results. With short distances the calculations can be effected by changes in the ammount of gas used to refill and I am sure teh gas pumps and gas guages aren't 100% accurate.
Mayb use a GPS for distance measurement?

See the difference in just 0.3 gallons used...
73.3 miles divided by 3.3 gallons equals 22.21 mpg. or

73.3 miles divided by 3.0 gallons equals 24.43 mpg

I'll stick to the Vornado and fuel line magnets.

[jersey]

You get it online at ca40g.com It can be delivered or you could look and see if there is a local distributor near you.

I agree longer distance tests would be best, maybe I should just report my full round trip results instead?

Whaddya think?

Edit:
Next one way test is tomorrow morning. I'll post results, but it may be as late as midnight depending on when I get some down time at work.

[HummerHippy]

personally, I think you , Jersy, should keep testing and report back after 1000 miles or more. Or after 1 full year of using it.

[wpage]

Had a friend that loved marvel mystery oil. He used to blend that product. MMO looked like auto trans fluid into his gas at fill up. Claimed it lubed his cylinders and got him better mpg...

Never saw any real data on results...

This sounds interesting ca40g. I would be interested in long term study data.

If farmers use it thats usually a good testimony.

Farmers are always a tough sell.:popcorn:

[Gunner_45]

I'm not sure I trust these short hop figures you are posting here brother.

What would be more meaningful in my opinion, are mpg averages per TANK.

At the moment, with an AirDoc CAI, PCM tune and running Swampers, I'm averaging 16 to 16.5 mpg per tank and I'm happy with that. However, if this product could add another 2 or 3 mpg and does not prove to be detrimental to the overall health and well being of my motor, I'd be very interested.

Sorry, just my skeptical nature coming out....

So...let's see some mpg per tank figures.....

[jersey]

personally, I think you , Jersy, should keep testing and report back after 1000 miles or more. Or after 1 full year of using it.

I've have been using it for more than a year. It's my H3 that's new, not the product. In my minivans I always used it and it always delivered.

I've logged thousands of miles with it. I'm reporting now how well its improved the mileage in my H3.

I've used it, I'm using, I'll continue to use it, and I'll recommend it as well.

I'm glad to post the mileage for all to see; I hope all of you find the information useful.

Todays mileage was equally impressive, I'll post later when I can use my laptop.

[jersey]

So...let's see some mpg per tank figures.....

G-man,

I'd like to help out by running my tank empty for you, but that's not how I drive. I'm not a sales person. I'm not 'out-for-profit'. I'm just sharing info. Let me state unequivocally that I'm not testing this product to see if it works. It works. Of that I have no doubt. I've used it for over a year. I'm just testing to see how well it works given my vehicle('06 H3), my driving habits(virtually no offroading), my lay of the land(mainly NJ highway). To that end, I'm happy to post what I achieve by using the product, for the purpose of satisfying other's curiosity and because I am legitimately impressed by it.

The raw data on this product is available on the ca40g website.
Anyone interested can check it out.

I stand by my personal results with the caviat that it's understood that these results are unique to me and my vehicle. Your results may vary. And like others, I too, am curious about what others would get so please, if you try it, post your results.

Thanks for understanding

[jersey]

Ok, this mornings trip in was interesting because I left a half hour later than usual. More traffic, but no traffic jams and I only touched my brakes a few times the whole way.

On my days off I racked up 154.8 miles. Some highway, some city, some beach.

My refill was 6.90 gallons @ $3.83 per gallon

My bill was $26.50

My Averaged MPG: 22.43mpg

This AM, having topped off with 6.9 gallons...and going to work...

My total travel mileage was 74.1 miles

My refill was 3.103 gallons @ $3.71 per gallon <-lowest price I've seen in months!

My bill was $11.54!

My Averaged MPG: 23.90 mpg

I'd say this is fairly consistant. Wouldn't you? The test continues tomorrow for my return trip. I'll probably post it the next day though.

See pics of my gas receipts...

Note: The top off receipt after I made the trip this AM was at a different station along the route to work and I stopped because I saw that price $3.71! Anyway its 10 blocks from work instead of 5. No biggie. Also, their CC machine only shows price paid at the pump not gallons, you should have seen the guys face when I asked for a receipt that showed the gallons/price numbers. Man was he mad as he handwrote the info on a receipt pad that hasnt been used since before they moved to North Bergen!
Anyway here they are; 2 from this mornings fill up before the trip, two from this morning after the trip to work. Hope you find the info useful!

[6pack]

I'll give it a shot. I ordered it and will chime in as to how it works. It looks like 1 ounce of CA40 per 20 gallons? Is that what you're adding jersey?

[H_Cubed]

Hmm, after reading up on Calcium Sulfonate (the main ingredient of CA40), i'm gonna pass on this one. Calcium Sulfonate has been used for many years in motor and lubricating oils as a detergent and thickening agent. You would think that if this was some breaking new product, gasoline would already contain it.

There are a number of questions on how this stuff works exactly, from what I read on their website it appears it works on the exhaust system and the O2 sensor, to fool the PCM into running the fuel mixture lean, producing higher engine temperatures resulting in some marginally better fuel economy. If thats the case, small quantities Acetone could do the same thing at ratios 1 oz. per 15-20 gallons (and be waaay cheaper!). However running your engine very lean (therefore hotter) might be detrimental over a long period of time. Not only is a lean condition potentially damaging, it can very quickly heat up your catalytic converter, destroying it or worse still cause a fire under it.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

now thats an interesting take on the product...

[jersey]

Hey H,
Thanks for researching in greater detail. I'm happy to report that for the year and months that I've been using the product in my 2 vehicles, I've never experienced a CAT fire, nor an increase in heat. I work for a city fire department and I'm also happy to report that none of the 1,733 car fires I've researched on my CAD show the origin/source in the last 5 years were CAT related. In fact most car fires we experienced were sourced by engine compartment fires involving fuel leaks and by electrical fires in the dashboard.
My understanding of this product in particular is that it bonds to the gas on a molecular level causing it to burn in its entirety reducing the amoout of unburnt fuel going to the CAT. Less combustible material reaching the CAT indicates to me that the CAT would not be as hot as normal because there is less fuel for it burn. In the fire industry we call that a good thing. :jump:

[jersey]

Hey H,
Thanks for researching in greater detail. I'm happy to report that for the year and months that I've been using the product in my 2 vehicles, I've never experienced a CAT fire, nor an increase in heat. I work for a city fire department and I'm also happy to report that none of the 1,733 car fires I've researched on my CAD show the origin/source in the last 5 years were CAT related. In fact most car fires we experienced were sourced by engine compartment fires involving fuel leaks and by electrical fires in the dashboard, followed by arson related car fires.
My understanding of this product in particular is that it bonds to the gas on a molecular level causing it to burn in its entirety reducing the amoout of unburnt fuel going to the CAT. Less combustible material reaching the CAT indicates to me that the CAT would not be as hot as normal because there is less fuel for it burn. In the fire industry we call that a good thing. :jump:Question: Is your product the only one of its type that keeps calcium sulfonate suspended? If so can you give us a little incite to how this is done?
Answer: Yes, not only does it suspend, it appears to have lots of other synergistic properties as listed in some of our pending patents (lubrication,pour point, Reduction of oxides of Nitrogen). It is done by..... well it is a little hard to explain. It lies in the components and the way they are blended. If you simply added the components to a fuel tank, you would basically get nothing or next to nothing.

The rest of the interview can be found @ http://www.beyondfossilfuel.com/resources/ca40_interview.html

As for running hotter:

Here's a pic I took the other day going 65 mph and 20 miles into my ride the temp is below the mid-line. So no increase showing up there:

[jersey]

I do 1 ounce per 15 gallons. Any more gas and I'd add a pinch more. I bought the syringe they offer for 5 bucks. For my first full tank of gas I added 35ml. I rarely let it go lower than 3/4 full, so I just add a pinch when I need to.

[Kaiser Souza]

Jersey you have inspired me. I got a bottle on ebay for $21 total and will post a report in a few weeks.

I have been hypermiling in LA traffic and have achieved +2mpg with driving style and +1mpg running the tires@50psi.

:iagree:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Jersey you have inspired me. I got a bottle on ebay for $21 total and will post a report in a few weeks.

I have been hypermiling in LA traffic and have achieved +2mpg with driving style and +1mpg running the tires@50psi.

:iagree:

is that a hot or cold reading ? interested to know on your tires what is the maximum suggested pressure...

[Kaiser Souza]

I thisnk it's 60psi, Dunlop Mud Rovers. I tried 55psi but started to see blood in my urine.:crying:

[jersey]

Its been a crazy week. I have no numbers to offer. My wife and I swithced vehicles, I needed the van to help out a friend. So she has been driving the H3 and unfornately she filled it without adding the ca40g and she didnt keep the receipt either. My son says she actually filled it twice. At any rate, its back in my hands and I have receipt/picture, but forgot to pack my USB cable to transfer the file. I'm going to run the vehicle to as close to empty as possible to get a varied driving(city/highway mix) mpg count based on a full tank w/35ml of additive. I'm nearly a quarter of a tank down so far since filling up. I'll keep tabs on it and report at the end.
At this rate though I may not need gas til next week.

Anyone looking for lowest price gas in NJ; I found it, its in North Bergen where Routes 1&9 meet 51st Street $3.59 a gallon Delta Gas Station.

My luck I'll be far from here when I hit empty.


Kaiser good luck with your bottle. Ebay you say? Beware its legitimacy, hate to think some clown out there is buying and filling empty bottles with corn oil and castor oil and selling it as ca40.

Someone asked if there was a money back guarantee. I went to the CA40 website and couldnt find one so I asked a question in the 'ask questions' section and the email reply I got read:
"While there is no 'official' money back guarantee for CA-40, we do stand behind the product and will give you a full refund if you're not satisfied."

Speaks volumes in my opinion.

[6pack]

I've run two tanks of the CA40 through at this point. The first one I had no increase in MPG but did drive many more city miles than my average amount on that tank. The second had still some more city miles but I noticed about a 5-10% increase in MPG. I'll keep posting...

[6pack]

Third tank, average type driving for me, no difference in mpg.

[Desert Dan]

By not trying on mileage here were my latest results..
Not surprising

16.5-17 mpg
75-85 mph with ac on and roof rack on I-10
Tires at 35 psi
outside temp 100+

PS to LA trip 125 miles

[6pack]

Fourth tank, average driving again and no MPG difference.

I'm almost through the fifth tank and it is the same as the others. I'm also noticing a bit of a rough idle. I think this tank might end my experiment. Sorry, but I've seen no improvement.