If a Cop Tells You To Do Something- DO IT!!! [Archive]

JMV1210

06-03-2005, 10:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
First off, in the past, when I've been pulled over I pull over immediately, turn off my vehicle, roll my window down and place my hands on the top of the steering wheel. Why, you ask? Because I want the officer to feel at ease so that my chances of skating out of a ticket might possibly go up. I DON'T keep driving until I feel like stopping, I DON'T get on the phone and refuse to get off, and most importantly, I DO WHAT THE OFFICER SAYS SO I DON"T GET TASERED!!!!
And with that I bring you this fine Tasering video:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/video/taser_video3a.html

I love it.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dirty. that's a good point, but let me add to it.

I used to have a 99 Cobra with a 10 PSI ATi ProCharger. The car was fast and any cop pulling my ass over new it. One time I was being pulled over by a officer and I basically followed everything you listed that you do when being pulled over. With one small difference.

As I pull the car over immediately shut off the engine. I take the car keys out and will do either one of two things.
1) Toss the keys onto the roof of the car and place both hands on top of the steering wheel.
2) or hold then in left hand (say you have a vert or your in your H2) with fully left extended arm palm open out the window while the right hand is on the top of the steering wheel.

The first time I did this (and the first time this was not preplanned) the officer approached and asked, "Why did you toss your keys to the top of the roof of your mustang?" I replied, because you guys have enough to worry about and the last thing you need to worry about is me potentially trying to take off on you.

Believe it or not, I think this action on my part worked, as he let me go ticket free. Never have I got away with a ticket before. I think it is effective because you are acknowledging his power in the situation while putting his anxiety at ease.

The first time I did that as I stated above it was not pre thought out, but it worked so well, I do that every time. Tried it after that, and it worked again.

Thoughts?

VTSTOMPER

06-04-2005, 12:40 AM

What do they say after you tell them you have a gun in here, or a rifle under here? I ask because I carry my glock around from time to time, and always wondered if I would just say "hey, I have a weapon under the seat"

HummerNewbie

06-04-2005, 12:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
If you want to get shown rspect, you need to show some to start with... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe there are some trolls around here that need to study that saying http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HummerNewbie

06-04-2005, 12:46 AM

Oh my, I feel like I am growing up, over 200 posts http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Based on some to the post counts, the name HummerNewbie still fits though http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cognitive

06-04-2005, 01:17 AM

Are you kidding me? If I said I had a weapon in the car, I'd be:

1. tased immediately
2. shot immediately
3. get the max fine even if the weapon was legal... and even if they already shot me to death.

I love the police but man, this is an unjust world.

Fastest H-Town Realtor

06-04-2005, 02:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
What do they say after you tell them you have a gun in here, or a rifle under here? I ask because I carry my glock around from time to time, and always wondered if I would just say "hey, I have a weapon under the seat" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tell them immediatly I am armed..where it is..and where my permit is. never a prob...

KenP

06-04-2005, 03:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:
Are you kidding me? If I said I had a weapon in the car, I'd be:

1. tased immediately
2. shot immediately
3. get the max fine even if the weapon was legal... and even if they already shot me to death.

I love the police but man, this is an unjust world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I usually don't drive in a manner to be stopped, but I believe the above remarks are BS. If I was armed and stopped I would have no problem informing the officer where the weapon was located. To do otherwise is just plain stupid.

In VA CWP's are in the officer's computer, so you might as well 'fess up. No need to be an idiot.

cognitive

06-04-2005, 03:10 AM

I don't think anyone really understood what I was saying.... of course I would be forthcoming w/ that information but in my case it wouldn't matter much what I say.

HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ

06-04-2005, 03:25 AM

I'm licensed to carry for 12 years now and in class one of the first things they taught was A) You are in the computer and they know as soon as they run Your tags and B) show them the courtesy and inform them before they run You and tell them what the weapon is and where it is. I asked an officer about this last year as I just had a chance to bring it up in a casual convo. He said that it is the smartest thing You can do is tell the officer everything concerning the weapon in advance and offer to take out Your permit. He may think You are trying to hide something when He runs Your id. The more honest You are up front He said the more likely He will let You go with no problems. He also said He likes to see keys placed slowly on top but, not really needed just His preference and the same as most of the officers He knows. He also said He absolutely likes to see windows rolled down and hands on wheel. I did not think to ask about int. lights on and he did not offer.
Sounds like most all have a good logic going in this area.
TAZ

KenP

06-04-2005, 04:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:
I don't think anyone really understood what I was saying.... of course I would be forthcoming w/ that information but in my case it wouldn't matter much what I say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, I'll bite... You're not white and you think you would be attacked by a police officer unjustly. That idea pisses me off.... big time! It's all in the attitude and the perception. What's yours?

DRTYFN

06-04-2005, 04:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:
I don't think anyone really understood what I was saying.... of course I would be forthcoming w/ that information but in my case it wouldn't matter much what I say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, we give up. Why are you public enemy #1?
(I can't wait to hear this one.)

DennisAJC

06-04-2005, 04:27 AM

LMAO!!!!!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Bitch with an attitude. She deserved EVERY single volt. If she didn't give so much stank, she would have been on her way.

firm

06-04-2005, 04:30 AM

Ken P- You're a bigot!

With that being said, that lady should have never been tasered. Pull her out the truck, Pepper spray her, whatever!. That taser is way overboard. They are even tasering kids now!

KenP

06-04-2005, 04:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Ken P- You're a bigot!

With that being said, that lady should have never been tasered. Pull her out the truck, Pepper spray her, whatever!. That taser is way overboard. They are even tasering kids now! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong, dumb ass. You've said that about other's here before. You don't know ****!
And if it's good enough for a kid, why not everyone? (the kid part is a joke)

**** you dumb ass! You're full of Jesse Sharpton ****! I hate people that judge others so quickly, like yourself.

Oh, did I say **** you and your piss poor attitude.

DennisAJC

06-04-2005, 04:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fastest H-Town Realtor:
I tell them immediatly I am armed..where it is..and where my permit is. never a prob... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mabye not in that particular order. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DennisAJC

06-04-2005, 04:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Ken P- You're a bigot!

With that being said, that lady<span class="ev_code_RED">(Not a lady)</span> should have never been tasered<span class="ev_code_RED">(2 was not enough)</span> . Pull her out the truck, Pepper spray her <span class="ev_code_RED">(And Tazer her some more)</span> , whatever!. That taser is way overboard <span class="ev_code_RED">(Being shot is)</span> . They are even tasering kids now! <span class="ev_code_RED">(SWEEEET! And they're not kids. adult crime deserves adult punishment.) </span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How DARE you call Ken a bigot! Don't make us hold you down and pee in your mouth! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

06-04-2005, 04:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Ken P- You're a bigot!

With that being said, that lady should have never been tasered. Pull her out the truck, Pepper spray her, whatever!. That taser is way overboard. They are even tasering kids now! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wussy!! I would have juiced that bitch up until she did the whoopty kick across the street.

KenP

06-04-2005, 05:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:
I don't think anyone really understood what I was saying.... of course I would be forthcoming w/ that information but in my case it wouldn't matter much what I say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, I'll bite... You're not white and you think you would be attacked by a police officer unjustly. That idea pisses me off.... big time! It's all in the attitude and the perception. What's yours? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Followed by:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Ken P- You're a bigot!

With that being said, that lady should have never been tasered. Pull her out the truck, Pepper spray her, whatever!. That taser is way overboard. They are even tasering kids now! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>**** you again firmy. Wrong. Read the whole thing. You have tried this BIGOT **** before and you continue to look like an ass. You were given a pass last time for your bull****, but I doubt you'll get another. It's becoming more and more clear you're a ****ed up Jesse Sharpton *******. **** you, again.

Was I clear this time on my feelings toward dumbass trouble makers? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif What a dumbf#$%.

firm

06-04-2005, 05:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Ken P- You're a bigot!

With that being said, that lady should have never been tasered. Pull her out the truck, Pepper spray her, whatever!. That taser is way overboard. They are even tasering kids now! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong, dumb ass. You've said that about other's here before. You don't know ****!
And if it's good enough for a kid, why not everyone? (the kid part is a joke)

**** you dumb ass! You're full of Jesse Sharpton ****! I hate people that judge others so quickly, like yourself.

Oh, did I say **** you and your piss poor attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's obvious by your response that you already know that you are a bigot. You and Bill O'Reilly can blame your problems on Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or anyone that doesn't look and think like you, but that doesn't change anything. Your time has past, so you can eat ****, and die.

firm

06-04-2005, 05:52 AM

Ken P- You really have a hard on for Jesse and Al.

Dennis- I will skeet on you.

DrtyFck- I thought I already glazed your mouth shut.

tower

06-04-2005, 08:13 AM

Before we get a race war going here, respectfully, I would like to point out where I think this went awry. There are two ways people carry firearms in their vehicles. Legally (with a permit) and illegally concealed. In many states and counties, it's virtually impossible to get a carry permit.

If you are not licensed to carry and have weapons in your vehicle, unless you have some reason to anticipate that your vehicle will be searched, you should probably not bring up the issue of firearms unless asked. If asked, answer truthfully. If you are carrying them legally without a permit (in California), you are just on your way to or from the range; your weapon(s) are unloaded and are in a locked case or locked cases, which has (have) no ammo in it (them). The case(s) is (are) not within reach of any occupants of the vehicle.

I will admit that listening to that woman writhe while being tased was not very pleasant. However, I think the arresting officer went well beyond generosity in giving her numerous opportunities to comply with his polite orders, despite her abrasive, aggressive and non-compliant attitude. Allowing her to continue talking on the cell phone, physically removing her or peppering her would have exposed the officer and his partner to a higher level of risk. Tasing was CLEARLY the most appropriate course of action. And even at that, the officers were exposed to potential risk from blood borne pathogens (if you listen to the tape).

h2co-pilot

06-04-2005, 09:40 AM

First of all, I like police officers, and I always show respect and get off with a warning. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Second, Tazers are very effective defense weapons and should remain legal for citizens, as that has been in jeopardy.

Third, Firm you are the bigoted bitch. KenP asked a question about cognitive's post:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:
Are you kidding me? If I said I had a weapon in the car, I'd be:

1. tased immediately
2. shot immediately
3. get the max fine even if the weapon was legal... and even if they already shot me to death.

I love the police but man, this is an unjust world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now, the only intelligent way to analyze it would be "O.K., he's talking about racial profiling." Sure, he may have an eye that wonders so the officer may not know which one to look into. Or maybe he likes to drive with dead women in his trunk. Or maybe he has a "Bad Cop- No Donut" bumper sticker. But the logical response was KenP's- and he stated his opinion on the subject of racial profiling. You come out with- "Ken P - You're a bigot." Let's analyze that shall we:

big·ot n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

It seems to me you are quite the intolerant one to other's opinions. Piping up when someone states an opinion that is impartial to your own uneducated beliefs. Furthermore, the opinions that you have objected to have been opined by intelligent people of all races. You got off easy before, but taking a gander at your posts, prompts my opinion that you are a whiny bitch. Yes, I loathe uneducated whiny bitches with an acute case of fundamental weakness, can I be a bigot too?

Andy C

06-04-2005, 10:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:I quickly discovered that typical British comments like, "Should'nt you be out catching real criminals?" and "Haven't you got soemthing better to be doing?" don't work very well over here.

If you want to get shown rspect, you need to show some to start with... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Phil - I cant remember getting very far with comments like that in the UK to be honest - no sense of humour in the constabularies that I tried that in.

I do remember getting a ticket during the Bosnian war - I was on the M4 at 5.30 in the morning - cruising along on my bike - cop pulled me over - he went on to tell me that the laser speed gun that he had caught me speeding with used the same advanced technology as the weapons systems they were using in Bosnia.
I said "Its just as well that I am not a farm tractor pulling a trailer of refugees then or I would be f####d" - like I said - no sense of humour - instant ticket and points.

I learnt an important lesson that morning - be polite and do not think you are the worlds funniest man.

4churchill

06-04-2005, 12:27 PM

A) Firm is a Rainbow Coalition Moron http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I have more black friends then white ones, and I can say none of them support Jacskon,Sharpton or any of these other "kill whitey" nut bags!

B)H2cp: "....get off with a warning."... I knew that kind of stuff would "excite" you http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

06-04-2005, 12:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Ken P- You really have a hard on for Jesse and Al.

Dennis- I will skeet on you.

DrtyFck- I thought I already glazed your mouth shut. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly who are Jesse and Al, and who proclaimed them "black leaders"? I don't believe there was an election where the general population chose them to do what they do- extort, incite, intimidate and blackmail. If those are the kind of criminals that you want to follow, well then, that just shows what kind of a person you really are.

Also, you can stop with the homo-erotic fantasies. They're not doing anything for anybody but you. So keep them to yourself.

firm

06-04-2005, 12:58 PM

First of all, my opinion of KenP is not based on one post. Read some of his posts and notice how HE is the one who consistently brings race into the subject(often very tasteless). I could care less about Jess or Al, but notice how they magically make it into most of his post. He uses them as his pinata for all the problems in the world, and I'm calling him out on it.
Has any seen the video of the old woman in South Carolina who was pulled from her car, pepper sprayed, thrown on the ground, and cuffed. That would have been more humane, than that taser. I think that officer really wanted a chance to use that taser.

h2co-pilot

06-04-2005, 01:23 PM

Here is a search on the forum with the word "Jesse" for posts by KenP:

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=search&reqWords=jesse&exa...Type=1&search=Search (http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=search&reqWords=jesse&exactPhrase=&optWor ds=&notWords=&f=all&subjectOnly=N&afterDate=&befor eDate=&authorName=kenp&exactAuthor=Y&sortType=0&pt yp_poll=Y&ptyp_album=Y&ptyp_msg=Y&x_display_post_d etails=1&groupType=1&search=Search)

Here is the same with "Sharpton":

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=search&reqWords=sharpton&...Type=1&search=Search (http://elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=search&reqWords=sharpton&exactPhrase=&opt Words=&notWords=&f=all&subjectOnly=N&afterDate=&be foreDate=&authorName=kenp&exactAuthor=Y&sortType=0 &ptyp_poll=Y&ptyp_album=Y&ptyp_msg=Y&x_display_pos t_details=1&groupType=1&search=Search)

All except one were directed at your posts- out of 7,103.

Give it up! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

KenP

06-04-2005, 01:34 PM

timgco

06-04-2005, 02:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
First of all, my opinion of KenP is not based on one post. Read some of his posts and notice how HE is the one who consistently brings race into the subject(often very tasteless).

<span class="ev_code_RED">Uhm, first off, you are the one with tasteless posts. Nice comment about Drty btw. JACKASS!</span> <span class="ev_code_RED">Secondly, your opinion about Ken is way off base.[COLOR:RED]By having all 136 posts on thi board, I'm sure you already have everyone pegged. </span>

Has any seen the video of the old woman in South Carolina who was pulled from her car, pepper sprayed, thrown on the ground, and cuffed. That would have been more humane, than that taser. I think that officer really wanted a chance to use that taser. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<span class="ev_code_RED">As for the pepper spray being more humane? WTF are you thinking.? Any ideas on what side effects the pepper spray can have? Do you even konw about the recovery for someone that has been tased vs pepper sprayed? That loser chick that was tased deserved everything she got! She showed disrespect, did not try to cooperate in any way, posed a threat by not cooperating, and again posed a threat after swinging at one of the cops. That bitch deserved all of it! Who knows what she could have been hiding. I think she may have even been Bingtards G.F. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </span>

PARAGON

06-04-2005, 02:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
First of all, my opinion of KenP is not based on one post. Read some of his posts and notice how HE is the one who consistently brings race into the subject(often very tasteless). I could care less about Jess or Al, but notice how they magically make it into most of his post. He uses them as his pinata for all the problems in the world, and I'm calling him out on it.
Has any seen the video of the old woman in South Carolina who was pulled from her car, pepper sprayed, thrown on the ground, and cuffed. That would have been more humane, than that taser. I think that officer really wanted a chance to use that taser. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Listen up ****head, your inward disapproval in no way should be reflective in your posts to others. Just because you realize you're a loser piece of trash, you just move further to the bottom of the dump when you pull the little ill-founded hissies as you have here.

Secondly, have you ever been tazered? Have you ever been sprayed with pepper spray?

Don't pretend to know what would be the best option to use in a situation when you have absolutely no experience from an officer's standpoint. To second guess an officer on his tactic in a non-lethal, non-use of force is just stupid. It get's no more simple than that, stupid. If he would have tried to drag her out of the car by force, then your sorry ass would be sitting here typing about how they mistreated her and bruised her by forcing her out of her car.

Until you have walked up to a vehicle with a law-breaker inside, cut the officer slack first, not the damn law-breaker. While there are a few bad cops, to sit in your Lazy-boy and second guess the people out there laying the life on the line every day just like the soldier is doing by saying he should not have used a non-lethal method is nothing but a f'ing ****bird way of looking at life.

wilfred

06-04-2005, 03:27 PM

I could only watched up to half way of that video. That woman's voice was just too annoying. Drama queen would be an understatement... What I don't understand is why couldn't she simply cooperate?

After reading above disagreement, I think it's really sad that it's "always" racial discrimination whenever we have a white cop versus a non-white civilian. It's "never" good guy versus bad guy http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Mr. I - Man

06-04-2005, 03:46 PM

I got a better method for stopping cars for a traffic stop, its quick painless no suffering(since the taser and the pepper spray is so ****ing terrible) one warning shot up it the air, and the vehicle doesn't stop light the bitch up. It works in Iraq and no witnesses no lawsuit. Now is pepper spray that bad. Pussy ass civilians.

cognitive

06-04-2005, 04:56 PM

Wow. This got a little nasty. I didn't intend it to. I was not responding to the original post but rather to a post about volunteering information that there is a weapon in the car. Of course I would do the same but I can virtually guarantee that an officer's reaction to me would be very different than to the poster. You may think that I'm some bad ass black man with an attitude but I am not. I get racially profiled often and it's obvious. Pulled over for doing nothing wrong. Pulled over for false reasons. Pulled over after they clearly see my face. Bags searched "at random". Followed around stores by security and clerks. ID'd. Need I go on?

As for the video, geez, I don't really see anything wrong w/ what the officer did. How stupid could she be to stay on the phone and resist getting out of the car? Who knows, it could have been a bit of profiling. He may have been more patient w/ a white woman but without several videos, how would we know?

I think it was Dave Chappelle who said something like, "I don't care if they beat me or shoot me! Just make sure that they beat and shoot the beautiful white chick that crossed the stop line... by 2 inches. Damn!"

firm

06-04-2005, 05:54 PM

timgco- Watch the video again, the lady never swung at the officer.

Paragon- You sorry sack of ****, I have been in law enforcement. I've experience the taser, and pepper spray. While neither are pleasant, there are circumstances for the use both. This was not one of them; I'm willing to bet if you follow the story his superiors will agree. He probably won't be reprimanded, but there will be changes in protocol.

h2co-pilot

06-04-2005, 06:34 PM

She totally deserved it. One of his colleagues narrated the whole thing and justified it. His picture is on there as well- right next to the video. This woman was clearly in the wrong- I can't imagine doing something like that. And it does hurt- but I agree with Wilfred the drama was out in full force. The pepper spray is delicate in traffic stops because she could fight back, run into traffic etc.

I have pepper spray but have been looking into a taser because it allows more distance. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ

06-04-2005, 07:47 PM

Well this is all been very interesting. My conclusion has now become quite clear. I'm so happy I live where I do. There is an unwritten rule that if Your licensed and the longer You have been, which means You have retested by shooting skill which gets harder every time, You will most likely get a pass when you shoot to kill if situation requires it. I know, sounds to good to be true and possibly over the top but, the benefit of living in a backward part of the world considered by allot but, not myself. It is as forward thinking as I make My little world be. I'm basing My decision to most deffinetly use deadly force so that i will not inhumanely treat a person with pepper spray or taser. I do not want them to suffer anymore than a poor dog I accidently hit and have to put out of it's misery. So the best thing left it appears is to just place the laser on the 40 S&W Glock at the most convenient or visible target on the head and place the slug there. As mentioned above in another post no pain, no witness, and no law suit for causing undue stress and pain.
Our local sheriff is quite liberal especially in a home invasion situation. He says just shoot threw the door as many times as fast as You can, instructing My daughters in particular when home alone, and once all the yelling and screaming stops look out the door and see if they are gone or laying on the ground. Watch them for 30 minutes and see if they move if not drag them in the door and call the sheriff, if in the time before He arrives they start moving they are trying to attempt to hurt You so shoot them again but, aim for the head. No problems open and shut case of self-defense. Oh, they both know how to use My mini-14 with 30 round clip and have been trained exstensively with weapons, My youngest loves to deer hunt with me with her break over Englander youth .223 softpoint with scope etc. and has been through hunter education class that i went through it with her so she would feel better about it. Plus you have to have it to hunt in Colorado for mule deer and elk. I like to go to Rifle, Colorado. She scored perfect and non of the little boys did and she hurt their feelings. It was funny at the time she was 12 and when the little boys and older boys asked her how she could do so well she just said I studied real hard and practiced allot with my Dad. Sad to see them just look at the ground and walk away. She was the same way with her 3D archery competions. When We pulled up the little boys would get mad and cry because they knew that day they would not win because Erin was there. They would be 12 and 14 with her starting out at 10 still kicking tail because she practiced by making Me take a deer target and move it around all after noon so she did not know how far away it was and she learned to judge distance. Well sorry for the side bar but, they keep the rutger 22 with a 50 round clip and CCI hollow point stingers. This .22 bullet unless any better now has the fastest muzzle velocity out. Phil may be able to update that though. I just know that I had been using the top Remington for turtle and snake shooting and switched to stingers because the local coop had started carrying them for the minnow farmers. I had to resight the gun because they shot so high which means more speed and flat trajectory. Well thanks all for the discussion and firm You have been a service even when You had not intended to be. So thanks for reafirming a plan of action I had been conteplating for awhile. Oh, do not get Me wrong I will not be running out and finding reasons to implement this idea but, just helps to know that i should consider the pain and suffering of the perp and just end it for them so they are not crippled or inconvinenced by such terrible things as a taser and pepper. Oh and I have had the experience of both on a dare so I can say at least to the perp "I feel Your pain", where have I heard that before? This way i will not feel guilty about dealing with them in a way that they will not feel pain ever again. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
TAZ

PARAGON

06-04-2005, 08:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
timgco- Watch the video again, the lady never swung at the officer.

Paragon- You sorry sack of ****, I have been in law enforcement. I've experience the taser, and pepper spray. While neither are pleasant, there are circumstances for the use both. This was not one of them; I'm willing to bet if you follow the story his superiors will agree. He probably won't be reprimanded, but there will be changes in protocol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't try shoveling that here. You've "been in law enforcement?" What the hell does that mean? Does that mean you were a crossing guard? I doubt even that.

So, tell us, what does one experience when tasered and what model do you think was used here. F'ing liar. The first putrid thing out of your mouth would have been about service if you really did any civil service work. You know nothing of protocol and especially liability faced in this situation so sit down and shut up and let the adults discuss things here.

PARAGON

06-04-2005, 08:27 PM

By the way, non-compliance is the circumstance for the use of non-lethal force, idiot.

PARAGON

06-04-2005, 08:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr. I - Man:
I got a better method for stopping cars for a traffic stop, its quick painless no suffering(since the taser and the pepper spray is so ****ing terrible) one warning shot up it the air, and the vehicle doesn't stop light the bitch up. It works in Iraq and no witnesses no lawsuit. Now is pepper spray that bad. Pussy ass civilians. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Life can get too complicated. Light the mofos up I say. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dan

06-04-2005, 08:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
I have pepper spray but have been looking into a taser because it allows more distance. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pepper spray is no match for my cleaver! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KenP

06-04-2005, 09:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:
Wow. This got a little nasty. I didn't intend it to. I was not responding to the original post but rather to a post about volunteering information that there is a weapon in the car. Of course I would do the same but I can virtually guarantee that an officer's reaction to me would be very different than to the poster. You may think that I'm some bad ass black man with an attitude but I am not. I get racially profiled often and it's obvious. Pulled over for doing nothing wrong. Pulled over for false reasons. Pulled over after they clearly see my face. Bags searched "at random". Followed around stores by security and clerks. ID'd. Need I go on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I came off harsh, but it does make me made. I hear where you're coming from, I hope you hear where I'm coming from. This would not have gotten nasty if dip**** wouldn't have stuck is keyboard in here with a BS statement.

And for the record, I said<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> ...You're not white and you think you would be attacked... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I never said anyone was black.

h2co-pilot

06-04-2005, 11:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
I have pepper spray but have been looking into a taser because it allows more distance. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pepper spray is no match for my cleaver! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which one do you have? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cognitive

06-04-2005, 11:38 PM

KenP, what makes you mad?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I never said anyone was black. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes you did

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Black Lingenfelter Lux </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

h2co-pilot

06-04-2005, 11:43 PM

You must be one of those pre-cognitives. Where did you see that?? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Harley

06-05-2005, 12:05 AM

I need to leave my 2cents worth here. I am a deputy here in Oklahoma and I would articulate the use of the Taser in this particular case as completely justified. The driver was on the phone with an unknown person(s) telling them the officer had a gun and was going to shoot her. Is this her mother or is this a group of hoodlums that may be sitting just around the corner. At this point it is imperative that she become compliant and the situation brought to swift closure for all of their safety (officers' as well as the drivers'). The last thing the officer wants to do is to reach into the vehicle and remove the driver if he has access to a device such as the Taser. This leaves him open to being attacked by someone on the floor in the back. Bringing the driver to you by use of the Taser is much safer for both driver and officer. It takes out some of the unknown and allows the driver to understand the officer is serious and to hopefully enhance the drivers' ability to understand the gravity of their situation.

It is my opinion that the use of pepper spray here could back wash on the officer and actually impede their ability to control this situation. (We use pepper foam so we can control the back splash / wash of gases to us.)

Yes, Taser hurts like hell, but just for a moment. And yes, CS in the eyes hurts like hell, but just for a little while. Niether of them are permanent. (And yes, there are a few recorded instances of deaths surrounding the use of CS as well as Taser, but I have yet to see any proof of their being the direct cause of the victim's death.)

As an aside, the first CS (pepper) gases were in an alcohol base and guess what happened when a suspect who'd been doused in CS got Tasered?? Instant fireball... needless to say, the CS we use now is non-flammable...)

Humbly,
K

tower

06-05-2005, 12:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:

KenP, I'm worried about the Beaver. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

cognitive

06-05-2005, 12:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
You must be one of those pre-cognitives. Where did you see that?? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See what? Look at the bottom of my post. It was a joke.

Dug

06-05-2005, 12:21 AM

I respect everyones opinion here. And i am no expert at law enforcement or tasers. But i think if i was a officer and had another officer with me , that i would have put up with alot more blabbing before i tased a chic. Especially twice. Maybe things are a little to laid back here in the sticks . I guess the officer knows best what he had to do , to remain safe.

P.S- I guess that makes me sound like a wuss , but if it was a guy , I think they should have shot him at the first non compliance of a order.

h2co-pilot

06-05-2005, 12:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:

See what? Look at the bottom of my post. It was a joke. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh- HA! you need to place smileys in there b/c that was pretty damn funny!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dugeth, no matter the gender, I know you're chivalrous and all but if I acted like that. I would hope that they would tase me too.

Harley

06-05-2005, 12:26 AM

Dug,

I understand about the second zap... I'm not sure what I would have done. It's all about getting the job done safely and efficiently so YOU can go home to your family at the end of the day.

And, a gun's a gun... she'll do you just as fast as a guy...

K

Dug

06-05-2005, 12:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cognitive:

See what? Look at the bottom of my post. It was a joke. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh- HA! you need to place smileys in there b/c that was pretty damn funny!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dugeth, no matter the gender, I know you're chivalrous and all but if I acted like that. I would hope that they would tase me too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dug

06-05-2005, 12:37 AM

Harley, ya your right, maybe i was having a soft moment??

Harley

06-05-2005, 12:42 AM

Dug,

Soft moments are ok w/ Charmin...

K

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Dug

06-05-2005, 12:46 AM

We use alot of that around here. I have a porta potty business , called "Mac's Shack's"

Dug

06-05-2005, 12:48 AM

Those pics sucked , try these.

Harley

06-05-2005, 12:49 AM

OH, now THAT's Funny!!

I've tipped a couple of those w/ buddies in them in my construction days...

LOL

K

Dug

06-05-2005, 12:52 AM

Ya , i've tipped 'em too . In my teenage years. The newest trick is kids unroll all the toilet paper and put it in the urinal and light it on fire. Melts the shack into a gob of plastic.

Harley

06-05-2005, 12:56 AM

How much does one of those things set you back when they get torched? I've never thought about how much one costs...

(and no, I've never torched one...!!)

K

tower

06-05-2005, 12:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:

I would hope that they would tase me too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No kidding! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ROTFLMFAO http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You are such the kinkster!

Dug

06-05-2005, 12:57 AM

$500.

Dug

06-05-2005, 01:00 AM

One entry found for chivalrous.

Main Entry: chiv·al·rous
Pronunciation: 'shi-v&l-r&s
Function: adjective
1 : VALIANT
2 : of, relating to, or characteristic of chivalry and knight-errantry
3 a : marked by honor, generosity, and courtesy b : marked by gracious courtesy and high-minded consideration especially to women
synonym see CIVIL
- chiv·al·rous·ly adverb
- chiv·al·rous·ness noun

Wow - I didnt even know the word. Before Mrs Dictionary said it.

DennisAJC

06-05-2005, 01:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Before we get a race war going here, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What the hell are you talking about......Cracker. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Harley

06-05-2005, 01:04 AM

Tower~

(http://www.cleansheets.com/articles/dean_03.19.03.shtml)

"The All-in-One Stun and Stim. This is a real beauty and shows that electronics developers and engineers have really been paying attention to consumer wants. Based on the old taser or stun-gun, this purse-sized model can be used on reluctant hubbies, penile-dysfunctional lovers, or just some likely hunk you pass on the street. It emits a micro-fine dart that delivers a powerful stunning electrical charge while simultaneously shooting out a laser-guided nano-needle which delivers a super-charged dose of Viagra for instant and long-lasting erections. Suggested retail is about $28 (see eBay for discounted prices)."

...I'm sure there's some potential here...

K

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DRTYFN

06-05-2005, 01:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dug3x3:
Ya , i've tipped 'em too . In my teenage years. The newest trick is kids unroll all the toilet paper and put it in the urinal and light it on fire. Melts the shack into a gob of plastic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Newest??? Maybe to them. We did that almost 20 years ago. We did lots of stuff to those ****ters. Most of which I still worry about statutes of limitation.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

06-05-2005, 01:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Before we get a race war going here, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What the hell are you talking about......Cracker. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do my laundry, chink.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DennisAJC

06-05-2005, 01:18 AM

I remember when I forgot to discharge my Tazer (Normally through a piece of grounded metal to release the remainding spark.).

I forgot and I slipped it into my pocket.

It discharged through my right nut.

It felt so wrong. Yet so right. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. This will be our next handshake DRTY. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tower

06-05-2005, 01:38 AM

Dennis,

Do you use that to stimulate ****ty beef?

KenP

06-05-2005, 02:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I remember when I forgot to discharge my Tazer (Normally through a piece of grounded metal to release the remainding spark.).

I forgot and I slipped it into my pocket.

It discharged through my right nut.

It felt so wrong. Yet so right. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. This will be our next handshake DRTY. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That made the night! BTW, I bet the kids do what daddy says. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

DennisAJC

06-05-2005, 02:23 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
That made the night! BTW, I bet the kids do what daddy says. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bigot( http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif),

They run the house, I just work there.

KenP

06-05-2005, 02:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
That made the night! BTW, I bet the kids do what daddy says. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bigot( http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif),

They run the house, I just work there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I understand. The little monsters.

DRTYFN

06-05-2005, 05:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
That made the night! BTW, I bet the kids do what daddy says. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're such a pedophiliac bigot.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

H2Finally

06-05-2005, 07:13 AM

KenP a bigot? HA http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif HA http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif HA http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif HA http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Sorry, firm, you're so far off the base it's just so damn funny!

Reminds me when we were little and someone let a little gas loose in the car, the one who cried "WHO FARTED?!" was always the one who did. So, yeah, we know what you are firm...

****ing idiot.

Brad

06-05-2005, 11:26 AM

Click on the link and hear what Dave Chappelle has to say about racism.

http://funny.entensity.net/chappellesshow/chappellessho...whitesupremacist.wmv (http://funny.entensity.net/chappellesshow/chappellesshow.php?media=blackwhitesupremacist.wmv )

Brad

06-05-2005, 11:56 AM

I just watched the video. What a drama queen.

No wonder he tasered her, she didn't do anything but dis-respect the Officer. She also had suspended license, she obviously has no respect for authority.

The first words out of her mouth after the drama was I am suing the ... out of ya'll. I guess she will call John Kerry to represent her.
Imagine that!!

What is the officer supposed to do let her dictate to him what she wants to do? That isn't the way it works. I wonder why her license is suspended? I am sure the Officer knew that her license was suspended before he ever approached her.

V10MOJO2TOW

06-05-2005, 01:05 PM

beautiful video, maybe next tiem the dumbass will listen. should hit her twice

Fubar

06-05-2005, 03:17 PM

She should have said " Hey your a public servant, go get me a glass of water"

Just kidding http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

She got what she deserved for not responding to the officers requests.

Mully

06-05-2005, 07:40 PM

What a whiny bitch! She is faking it all the way http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Better hit her with the pepper spray too http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

h2c0-pilot; I would imagine you would be better protected with the pepper spray. I say that based on the following...

You will probably be attacked at a very close range.
You are more likely to make contact with the spray while under attack then with the electrodes of the taser.

That is all based on NOTHING! Just trying to imagine the best defense in the most common attack situation.

Firm; one of the two jobs I have is a professional firefighter. The people I see who have been sprayed by PD are far worse off than those that have been tazed. Just my personal observation. From experience I have been hit with the spray before and it was hours before I felt better.

DennisAJC

06-05-2005, 07:59 PM

Mully,

Did you belong to the CDFD????

A hand held Tazer is better for Co-pilot. Using pepper spray in close quarters might/will hurt her along with the assailant. The Tazer gun also requires a target standing still. Not so accurate.

Hand helds will allow you to even bear hug an assailant where you can pump the juice into his backside. Trust me, it's surefire! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stand clear though, Tazers will cause the assailant to lose ALL bodily functions. EWWWW!

h2co-pilot

06-05-2005, 10:25 PM

I have experience with the hand held- never zapped anyone though. The backside sounds good but I would probably tase the frontside if I could. I pity the fool.....

I also have a mace pen, and used to carry a little egg knife on my keychain, and have taken some Krav Maga classes...I'm not fawkin' around. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mully

06-05-2005, 11:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Mully,

Did you belong to the CDFD????

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, although I have partied with a few and found myself quite pissed!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have experience with the hand held- never zapped anyone though. The backside sounds good but I would probably tase the frontside if I could. I pity the fool.....

I also have a mace pen, and used to carry a little egg knife on my keychain, and have taken some Krav Maga classes...I'm not fawkin' around. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My kinda girl! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tower

06-05-2005, 11:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
I also have... taken some Krav Maga classes... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, ****! I didn't know you were an M.O.T.! I have a little background in Krav Maga. When the Chief Safardic Rabbai of Israel (kind of like the Jewish equivalent of the pope, without all the pomp) came to visit L.A., he had 3 body guards. I was one of them.

VTSTOMPER

06-06-2005, 12:24 AM

Seeing that pic of the taser reminds me of a really funny read. Check this out!

FUNNY AS HELL (http://www.fishbaldwin.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=298)

HummerNewbie

06-06-2005, 12:43 AM

That story is funny as hell http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KenP

06-06-2005, 12:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
Seeing that pic of the taser reminds me of a really funny read. Check this out!

FUNNY AS HELL (http://www.fishbaldwin.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=298) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Repost! But it's still funny as hell to read! I love that story. Thanks for the laugh!
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5106011751/m/102108.../102108097#102108097 (http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5106011751/m/102108097/r/102108097#102108097)

Try this one:
http://www.shooshtime.com/clips/video.php?id=5173

DRTYFN

06-06-2005, 01:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
...and have taken some Krav Maga classes...I'm not fawkin' around. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have fun getting your ass kicked. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

h2co-pilot

06-06-2005, 02:01 AM

Whatever, GFY! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have always been told that I need to be careful. I just want to be prepared. I almost kinda want to try something on somebody. I know I am little, i just wanted to up my stakes a bit. I am paranoid that someone is going to get me ( like a hermit crab when it changes shells http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). Probably all the Lifetime movies I have sat through.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That Tazer story is one of the first things I ever read on here. It still makes me tear up. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DennisAJC

06-06-2005, 02:32 AM

Accidental Tazing is common. Especially if you forget to discharge after use.

But that guy actually Tazing himself??? That's really gotta hurt. LMAO!

tower

06-06-2005, 02:54 PM

Negative. Taser and stungun are 2 very different items. The Taser shoots a couple of barbed darts, which are connected to the launcher by spiraled hairlike wires. Because of this, it can be used at a distance. As long as the wires are intact, you can keep hitting the switch and re-shocking the assailant. The Taser would be ineffective against someone wearing a down parka or with several layers of clothing because it would not get close enough to the skin. The stun gun shoots no projectiles. Consequently, the operator must be close enough to the assailant to press the contacts against the body.

Accidental discharge is common with the stungun, not so with the Taser.

Mully

06-06-2005, 06:11 PM

Thank you for the explanation. I knew that somewhere in the deep darks depths of my brain. That is what I was thinking when h2co-pilot was talking about getting a taser. A stungun would be much more effective. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DennisAJC

06-06-2005, 06:33 PM

Oppps! My bad. I seem to have refered my Stun gun as a Tazer which are two different things.
It's a common mistake. Thanks Mully.

DRTYFN

06-06-2005, 06:37 PM

So you've been stun gunning your nuts and not Tasering them. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DennisAJC

06-06-2005, 06:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Accidental discharge is common with the stungun, not so with the Taser. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifThat's a negative.

06-06-2005, 07:29 PM

It does pay to do what the officer directs.

However, the problem I have with this situation is that the offence was a simple traffic violation, not a bank hist or a murder. In most states, traffic infractions are a non-criminal offence (that is why most of your “rights” to due process are waived).

It is my current viewpoint that it should have been handled differently at first. Like using a flame thrower to kill a mouse...overkill.

DennisAJC

06-06-2005, 07:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
It does pay to do what the officer directs.

However, the problem I have with this situation is that the offence was a simple traffic violation, not a bank hist or a murder. In most states, traffic infractions are a non-criminal offence (that is why most of your “rights” to due process are waived).

It is my current viewpoint that it should have been handled differently at first. Like using a flame thrower to kill a mouse...overkill. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like what????? Let her continue to mock the police officers by not obeying (Not even within reason) their requests? Talking on the phone, repeatedly asking for his badge and unit number, Telling them how to do their job???

Wait until they have to pull her fat ass out while she resisted with her bulk possibly injuing the officers in the scuffle???

I imagine she would bitch slap you silly if you tried it your way.

timgco

06-06-2005, 07:58 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hart-1:
It does pay to do what the officer directs.

However, the problem I have with this situation is that the offence was a simple traffic violation, not a bank hist or a murder. In most states, traffic infractions are a non-criminal offence (that is why most of your “rights” to due process are waived).

It is my current viewpoint that it should have been handled differently at first. Like using a flame thrower to kill a mouse...overkill.

Just a question, but what is "hart ponder"

KenP

06-06-2005, 08:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally asked by timgco:
Just a question, but what is "hart ponder" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Didn't see that coming. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

06-06-2005, 11:53 PM

Remember, when it comes to situations like this, you can be right and still be wrong, from a political viewpoint. In the long run, will this situation serve the public trust? Will this past the Headline test? Time will tell.

How much time did the officer give her to comply? This was not a felon take down. this was not 911. It was a non-criminal traffic stop. Could the officer give her a little more "time" to comply before using this tactic?

I have been through the Verbal Judo class, which is the policy of many Police Departments, throughout the country . I heard no "ethical appeal" before using the tazer, which would have been appropriate, given it was only a traffic stop.

Again, this was not 911.

PARAGON

06-07-2005, 12:05 AM

Remember...... Idiot!

06-07-2005, 01:10 PM

Your opinion, while amusing, is irrelevant http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

(at least I don't give out people's e-mails on the fourm. Pot, kettle, black?)

DRTYFN

06-07-2005, 01:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
Remember, when it comes to situations like this, you can be right and still be wrong, from a political viewpoint. In the long run, will this situation serve the public trust? Will this past the Headline test? Time will tell.

How much time did the officer give her to comply? This was not a felon take down. this was not 911. It was a non-criminal traffic stop. Could the officer give her a little more "time" to comply before using this tactic?

I have been through the Verbal Judo class, which is the policy of many Police Departments, throughout the country . I heard no "ethical appeal" before using the tazer, which would have been appropriate, given it was only a traffic stop.

Again, this was not 911. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sooo how long is the officer supposed to stand there while she's on the phone? How many times does he have to ask her to exit the vehicle? Should he have said "Ma'am, pleeeeease get out of the vehicle. Pretty please with sugar and spice and everything nice. ...C'mon, please please please please!!"?
Why should he have to resort to an "ethical appeal" to get her ass out of the car? Is that some kind of special way to ask degenerates to do something? Next thing you're going to say is that he didn't lay down a red carpet for her to stand on.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

FIXED

PARAGON

06-07-2005, 01:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
Your opinion, while amusing, is irrelevant http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

(at least I don't give out people's e-mails on the fourm. Pot, kettle, black?) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>relevant enough to evoke a response with just 2 words.

yeah, giving "out people's e-mails on the fourm" is not something I choose to do either.

PARAGON

06-07-2005, 01:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
Pot, kettle, black? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What exactly is your fascination with kitchenware? I believe you have probably used that phrase at least 10 times here. Not very esoteric if they're both black.

HummerNewbie

06-07-2005, 02:41 PM

I have been pretty much sitting back and watching this thread but you know, I am so damn sick and tired of people not taking responsibility for their actions. Everyone blames everyone else for what they do and what happens to them. I will have to go back and watch the video again, been a while, but I certainly do not have any sympathy for her. If you can not give respect, you better not f***ing expect to get any from me and you sure the hell better give it to all law enforcement officers. I wasn't there so I can not say whether I would have tazed her or not, but if it was completely unjustified, there would be a huge uproar over this. At this point I have not seen the uproar. Anyone else?

Just my opinion http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

06-07-2005, 04:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sooo how long is the officer supposed to stand there while she's on the phone? How many times does he have to ask her to exit the vehicle? Should he have said "Ma'am, pleeeeease get out of the vehicle. Pretty please with sugar and spics and everything nice. ...C'mon, please please please please!!"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are very fair questions which I do not have an exact answer for. In fact, after reading this and others positive claims and comments on the matter, you may be right.

06-07-2005, 04:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What exactly is your fascination with kitchenware? I believe you have probably used that phrase at least 10 times here. Not very esoteric if they're both black. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, when dealing with self aggrandizing hypocrites like yourself, this analogy does come to mind quite frequently. I will try, for your sake, to find another example that demonstrates your poor mental habits.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yeah, giving "out people's e-mails on the fourm" is not something I choose to do either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your a liar too. Or were you just "not thinking" when you post this claim?

PARAGON

06-07-2005, 05:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What exactly is your fascination with kitchenware? I believe you have probably used that phrase at least 10 times here. Not very esoteric if they're both black. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, when dealing with self aggrandizing hypocrites like yourself, this analogy does come to mind quite frequently. I will try, for your sake, to find another example that demonstrates your poor mental habits.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">yeah, giving "out people's e-mails on the fourm" is not something I choose to do either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your a liar too. Or were you just "not thinking" when you post this claim? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>WTF are you talking about? What are you beating around the bush about? It sounds as though you suggest that I gave out someone's personal email address w/o their permission or something.

The little reversal stuff doesn't work with me try again. I haven't given out anyone's private email address out in public, so..... liar, liar pants on fire. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ratesguy

06-07-2005, 06:20 PM

This guy was completely justified in using his Taser.What part about obeying the lawful command of a uniformed police officer did she not get. I'll tell you. This attitude of "you have no right to make me obey the law if I don't want to" is why she was tasered. A person with that attitude is likely to harm that officer because she will just escalate the whole situation. Maybe she was on the phone calling for her own reinforcements. Handle the situation quickly and efficiently before there is a real esalation. By the way, did anyone else notice the locals wandering in front of the police car between her and the policeman? Could have been a very dangerous area and situation.

Peter etg

06-07-2005, 06:21 PM

I´m glad i live in a part of the world where people don´t need to carry around weapons...

Klaus

06-07-2005, 07:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I´m glad i live in a part of the world where people don´t need to carry around weapons... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Muslim Violence Ignored in Sweden, Norway
Bizblogger ^ | 03/21/05 | Richie Rich

Posted on 03/21/2005 2:34:03 PM PST by Richie Rich

A Norwegian blogger had a great post on the result of increasing Muslim populations in Scandanavia. In Malmö, Sweden’s third largest city, the Muslim population is growing so rapidly that it will be a Muslim majority city in no more then 10 years, according to some estimates. In Malmö, rape charges are 5-6 times that of neighboring Copenhagen, Denmark, despite the fact that Copenhagen is a larger city. Virtually every type of violent crime is on the rise in Malmö, particularly in the growing Muslim ghettos. Police reports reveal that the perpetrators in 68% of all rapes are ethnic minorities. Norway is also seeing an increase in violent crime.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year…While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Muslims make up the majority of immigrants of “non-western background."

The response? Unni Wikan, a social anthropology professor at the University of Oslo says,

"Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative.

(Excerpt) Read more at bizblogger.blogspot.com ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1367457/posts

KenP

06-07-2005, 07:11 PM

KenP

06-07-2005, 07:12 PM

That's very scary Klaus. We should watch ourselves. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

DRTYFN

06-07-2005, 07:49 PM

DRTYFN

06-07-2005, 07:53 PM

Here's the rest of the blog:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Fjordman wonders why authorities in Sweden and Norway refuse to draw any connection between a rising immigrant population and an increase in rape and violent crime.

Perhaps it would be just too politically incorrect to reveal the negative effects of decades of naïve immigration policies. Perhaps it would also destroy too many multicultural pipe dreams among the intellectual elites, who have built their current careers and reputations on advocating how culturally and economically enriching this new population mix would be.

The Dutch began addressing the problem in their country after the murder of Theo van Gogh. I wonder what it will take in Sweden and Norway. Or maybe this is all just a huge coincidence... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

h2co-pilot

06-07-2005, 08:22 PM

Maybe it's all of the gay hate-crimes. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (just kidding Peter, it mentions a "Homoforum" as well http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/world/121697wo.htm

Peter etg

06-08-2005, 05:59 AM

I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around...

Klaus

06-08-2005, 10:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You also seem to feel that having your women and children violated is a small price to pay to promote diversity and to keep people from carrying weapons. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

h2co-pilot

06-08-2005, 10:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know....if some gay green hinudu comes after me I'm shootin'. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PARAGON

06-08-2005, 10:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds to me like you to go back and recheck those priorities. If the one thing you have a problem with is people carrying weapons, you are missing much bigger issues.

Peter etg

06-08-2005, 11:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds to me like you to go back and recheck those priorities. If the one thing you have a problem with is people carrying weapons, you are missing much bigger issues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So which of what i stated should i have a problem with according to you?

Peter etg

06-08-2005, 11:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know....if some gay green hinudu comes after me I'm shootin'. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes i agree. Those green ones are best to avoid

Peter etg

06-08-2005, 11:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You also seem to feel that having your women and children violated is a small price to pay to promote diversity and to keep people from carrying weapons. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where did i say that?

Klaus

06-08-2005, 11:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You also seem to feel that having your women and children violated is a small price to pay to promote diversity and to keep people from carrying weapons. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where did i say that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I present to you the 2005 version of the 1940 Frenchman - Peter etg!

PARAGON

06-08-2005, 12:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
I don´t have a problem with people beeing straight, bi or gay.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing christians, hinudu or muslims.
I don´t have a problem with people beeing white, black, yellow, red or green.
I do have a problem with the increasing numbers of weapon people are carrying around... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds to me like you to go back and recheck those priorities. If the one thing you have a problem with is people carrying weapons, you are missing much bigger issues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So which of what i stated should i have a problem with according to you? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So where did I state that you should have a problem with one of the others you stated http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif