Airraid [Archive] - Hummer Forums by Elcova

tomp

12-11-2005, 05:05 PM

The reason most people don't get gains from the air intakes is because they fail to change out the MAF Sensor. The stock sensor is not properly calibrated to handle the increased air flow.

The Volant system that come with the MAF sensor, is the best setup you can get!

Me personally, I have the Air Raid and Granatelli MAF Sensor. I am wanting to sell it and get the Volant. If someone wants a deal on it, it is like brand new.

HummBob

12-11-2005, 05:45 PM

I find the Volant EXTREMELY responsive.

Me LIKEY http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ernie Italy

12-12-2005, 08:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Whistled with the SC.

Be carefull of mud and water and over oiling. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why careful with mud and water ? The intake is closed... I have replaced the stock intake with the big Airrai filter and with MIT tube...

4churchill

12-14-2005, 07:47 AM

tomp let me know what you are thinking price wise.....

rvs9

12-14-2005, 02:54 PM

Question - if you have the Airraid system, is it designated as a "cold air induction" system? I have found the MAS on the net, but there are 2 types: One is for a regular system and the other is for a "cold air induction" system. Not sure which one I might need to purchase.

CBR_Raven

12-14-2005, 02:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rvs9:
Question - if you have the Airraid system, is it designated as a "cold air induction" system? I have found the MAS on the net, but there are 2 types: One is for a regular system and the other is for a "cold air induction" system. Not sure which one I might need to purchase. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I was wondering the same thing...

tomp

12-14-2005, 09:03 PM

After installing the Granatelli MAF Sensor, I have decided to keep the AirRaid intake. The MAF really woke the entire engine up and it performs much better!

The part number for Hummer is 350120 and if you have an aftermarket cold air intake (Airraid), then the part number is 350120-C.

ROX

12-14-2005, 11:16 PM

I threw the Airaid system as f-a-r as I could after only having it for two weeks. If you offroad at all, the thing fills with dirt and trail debris (bugs, leaves, water; you name it). http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif It was noisy, and it allows hot air from the engine bay into the air system, and makes the car run hotter. Not good in HOT weather. Sorry tomp. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif They may have changed since I had mine 2 years ago.

If I was going to do it again I would get the Volant. It is a closed system that draws air from the outside of the car, and from what I've heard it really works well.

Good luck with your decision! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tomp

12-15-2005, 12:55 AM

Yes, I admit the Volant is a better system. It ain't no secrethttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CBR_Raven

12-18-2005, 02:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
I threw the Airaid system as f-a-r as I could after only having it for two weeks. If you offroad at all, the thing fills with dirt and trail debris (bugs, leaves, water; you name it). http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif It was noisy, and it allows hot air from the engine bay into the air system, and makes the car run hotter. Not good in HOT weather. Sorry tomp. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif They may have changed since I had mine 2 years ago.

If I was going to do it again I would get the Volant. It is a closed system that draws air from the outside of the car, and from what I've heard it really works well.

Good luck with your decision! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The Airaid kit that I have uses the stock air box. It only replaces the filter and the air tube.

PARAGON

12-18-2005, 05:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
The reason most people don't get gains from the air intakes is because they fail to change out the MAF Sensor. The stock sensor is not properly calibrated to handle the increased air flow.

The Volant system that come with the MAF sensor, is the best setup you can get!

Me personally, I have the Air Raid and Granatelli MAF Sensor. I am wanting to sell it and get the Volant. If someone wants a deal on it, it is like brand new. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Shut the fck up. Dude, you have come here and given out some crappy advice on stuff you have no idea on what you are talking about.

the "stock sensor is not properly calibrated to handle the increased air flow?" Are you just dumb? Flow doesn't increase any more than before. Why would more air magically be forced into the filter box?

The MAF measures the flow. The only difference between the stock one and the aftermarkets is that the stock has a metal "screen" with holes that is purported to restrict air flow to the throttle body. Of course, this doesn't really matter unless you are at or near WOT when the engine would be requiring the most air.

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I have an Airaid filter in the stock box with a Granatelli MAF and a Airaid Modular Intake Tube. My opinion is to get a high flow filter and get a programmer if you want a little more. The H2 seems to be setup efficiently as stock.

tomp

12-18-2005, 09:41 PM

Paragon, you are obviously dumb and lying as well. If you actually owned the Granatelli like you claim in the other post, you would know that they BOTH have the honeycomb perforations that you are calling a screen. They don't show it (honeycomb) on the pics on the internet, but if you owned one you would have seen it's there.

Yes, the stock unit can not adjust for the proper amount of increased air from an aftermarket intake as it reaches the max threshold. Also, it makes improvement on the low end as well since it is more accurately metering the intake charge.

PARAGON

12-18-2005, 10:09 PM

Tell you what, you take a picture of yours and post it and then I'll take a picture of mine. Hell, there is probably already a picture on this site of mine.

Dumbass.

tomp

12-18-2005, 11:40 PM

Okay, you post your pic first since you brought it it and I will post both my stock and the Granatelli.

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 12:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
Okay, you post your pic first since you brought it it and I will post both my stock and the Granatelli. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

tomp

12-19-2005, 12:30 AM

I had a feeling you wouldn't post jack!

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 12:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
I had a feeling you wouldn't post jack! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe you didn't read things correctly. Go back and re-read my post.

In other words, prove it. It's obvious that it doesn't have the screen due to the picture. I have the same thing in mine and several other RESPECTED members here have laid eyes on mine. You claim that it looks nothing like Granatelli's picture. Fine, you got screwed and bought a stock one because Granatelli's does not have the screen and per my original comment on this, post a fcking picture or shut the fck up about it.

Klaus

12-19-2005, 12:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Hell, there is probably already a picture on this site of mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be in the "For the Girls" thread, right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Klaus

12-19-2005, 12:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
I had a feeling you wouldn't post jack! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is going to be a fun thread! Let the games begin! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 12:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Hell, there is probably already a picture on this site of mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be in the "For the Girls" thread, right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think we have to worry about a picture of "that" making it here, or anywhere, for that matter. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 12:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
I had a feeling you wouldn't post jack! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is going to be a fun thread! Let the games begin! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>violà

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/6/63/Jack_Daniels_üveg.jpg

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:45 AM

I am sorry, but you are wrong! Let me prove it to you. I will be back with pics because you are such the liar that I am willing to take apart my intake and get pics to prove what a lyer you are!

tomp

12-19-2005, 02:03 AM

Forgot how to spell it there for a minute.

tomp

12-19-2005, 02:06 AM

Here is the pic that proves Paragon is a liar. See how it shows the screen on the Granatelli MAF. It also shows the more open center area. I will post the stock one next so you can see how this center part is more restrictive.

tomp

12-19-2005, 02:10 AM

Here is also an email response from Granatelli that also proves you are a liar and the honeycomb screen is suppose to be on their MAF sesnors:

Our MAF sensors have truly calibrated electronics which control the
computers ability to change fuel and timing curves properly. Our MAF for
cold air inductions retain the factory honeycomb element to reduce the
turbulence created by higher flowing filter elements. Our MAF as a special
air inlet design which adds to an improvement of 40-47 % increased air flow
over the factory meter. In order to compensate for the additional air flow
our electronics are calibrated to increase performance. The factory mass air
flows are limited to the parameters programmed from the factory. Whenever
airflow is increased via air intakes and aftermarket exhausts the factory
electronics limit the power gains due to the factory fuel and timing
parameters programmed into the meter. Eventually this will cause the
computer to learn out or limit any of the improvements made. Improvements on
our meter are from 2000rpm to red line allowing you to keep the stock idle
and starting qualities of the factory meter. Our meters result in improved
mileage and throttle response. Less throttle angle is required to achieve
similar speeds when compared against stock meters.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Patterson" <xxxxx@comcast.net>
To: <techsupport@granatellimotorsports.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: Question about MAF Sensors?

tomp

12-19-2005, 02:11 AM

Here is the stock MAF Sensor:

tomp

12-19-2005, 03:28 AM

Still waiting for you to bail out the LIAR!

tomp

12-19-2005, 03:39 AM

Yep, I figured you wouldn't be able to bail him out. This last post of yours proves it. HE'S A LIAR!

MUH_HUM

12-19-2005, 04:10 AM

Lots of hostility in here....

Nixxxster

12-19-2005, 04:25 AM

No Sh!t, nothing useful

4churchill

12-19-2005, 04:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nixxxster:
No Sh!t, nothing useful </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's always something useful http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tomp

12-19-2005, 12:42 PM

Sorry Nixxxster, this site has some punks that try to rule on this forum. If you don't fit in with their style of off-roading and childish mentality, they try and talk trash to even up the playing field. This is the only way they know....

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 12:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
Sorry Nixxxster, this site has some punks that try to rule on this forum. If you don't fit in with their style of off-roading and childish mentality, they try and talk trash to even up the playing field. This is the only way they know.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You are just a stupid fck. So, are you going to back down and apologize or just fcking leave because I am about to go out and take a pic.

You should have done a little more research and especially not forge emails purportedly from Granatelli. Ready to have your ass handed to you, you POS?

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:04 PM

If yours is different, than you got the wrong part!

If you think I forged the email, then ask the man at Granatelli himself. Here is his return email address: morgan@granatellimotorsports.com

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:08 PM

Face it, you have been OWNED and now you are a LIAR!

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 01:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
Face it, you have been OWNED and now you are a LIAR! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You must be right, I am owned. I guess that's why this picture of my Granatelli that's installed with my MIT with my stock MAF on top of the stock air box and the granatelli box that the MAF came in makes me feel so owned. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 01:20 PM

Notice how mine looks like it is actually installed in a real H2.

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:27 PM

LOL, that's definitely not a Granatelli - LIAR!

Either that or you got the wrong part number

ree

12-19-2005, 01:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Notice how mine looks like it is actually installed in a real H2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice dirt coverage too, Paragon. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:29 PM

So what is the part number on that box sitting there?

ree

12-19-2005, 01:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
LOL, that's definitely not a Granatelli - LIAR!

Either that or you got the wrong part number </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Frankly, from Paragon's pciture and the one you posted, it looks nearly identical. It just doesn't have very much light on it. Just telling you what I see.

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:34 PM

I would be concerned with why the center part is not parallel with the connector like it is on my pics. Also, did it have the sticker on there at the time of purchase like mine does?

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 01:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
LOL, that's definitely not a Granatelli - LIAR!

Either that or you got the wrong part number </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ree

12-19-2005, 01:41 PM

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 01:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
I would be concerned with why the center part is not parallel with the connector like it is on my pics. Also, did it have the sticker on there at the time of purchase like mine does? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you really this fcking dense. The sensors run perpendicular to the black body that contains the circuit board where your little sticker is attached. Same on mine, same on the stock. Mine has been on here for over 2 years and has been used, the little sticker didn't make it.

You are such a stupid fck to try to call me to the mat on something like this. Suggesting that their pictures don't represent their products. Well, it's obvious that at one time it did and there are others on this board that have the same MAF that I do. So just shut the fck up about it.

Your ass has been handed to you.

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:49 PM

Fuk face, yours could be any brand without a sticker on it. You came here talking trash and were proven wrong with pics. Get over it and move on FUK FACE!

tomp

12-19-2005, 01:51 PM

The Trolls of the site would declare victory even if he'd posted a pic of them with Dik up their arse!

Klaus

12-19-2005, 01:54 PM

tomp =

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 02:09 PM

Here is the response I got from Granatelli:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This replacement unit features 47% more airflow capacity than the stock sensor and state-of-the-art hybrid electronics. The advanced, active-electronic module packaged within the sensor provides improved control of injector timing, contributing to a performance gain of 10-15 horsepower at the rear wheels. This unit installs in minutes, and is legal in all 50 states. The sensor is housed in a rugged, high-impact, injection-molded body to reduce heat soak, which can alter sensor performance. Installation does not affect mileage or drivability under normal conditions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

TXSUT

12-19-2005, 02:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
were proven wrong with pics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While Paragon's picture may not prove that he has what he says he has, you still have yet to prove him to be a liar. And you sure as hell haven't proven jack $hit about performance enhancements.

tomp

12-19-2005, 02:29 PM

Paragon stated that the Granatelli MAF does not have the screen and I proved that it does. Therefore he is a LIAR!

Klaus

12-19-2005, 02:31 PM

Advice for "tomp" (http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/animal_house/sock.wav)

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 02:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
Paragon stated that the Granatelli MAF does not have the screen and I proved that it does. Therefore he is a LIAR! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It sure is funny how MY MAF looks EXACTLY like the MAFs shown in ALL of granatelli's literature but YOURS doesn't show up anywhere.

But your excuse for that is that Granatelli tore those screens out for the pics. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/350119small.jpg

TXSUT

12-19-2005, 02:47 PM

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 06:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
Paragon stated that the Granatelli MAF does not have the screen and I proved that it does. Therefore he is a LIAR! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Can you quote me where I said that.

And now that you have gone around and made an ass of yourself claiming that I've lied about owning the Granatelli MAF AND the POS Tornado Fuel Saver beer can thingy, I've decided to post the rest of the pics.

Notice the Tornado thingy is added and the label on the box is now turned towards the camera.

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 06:41 PM

Now notice the imprint of the name Tornado in the beer can thingy, signifying that it is indeed the real thing and of which you accused me of falsly owning. But notice the label on the Granatelli box.

Now you reconcile all of this with the fact that Granatelli's pictures all show the MAF with no screens, just like mine, the fact that you have continually shown how fcking stupid you are, and that I have not intentionally lied here except in jest.

How about you get with NJ H2 and look at his MAF and see if it matches yours. He's in your neck of the woods.

tomp

12-19-2005, 06:49 PM

Why would I do that when I have an email that states that the screen is suppose to be there. I got the email before I even made the purchase.

TXSUT

12-19-2005, 06:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
Why would I do that when I have an email that states that the screen is suppose to be there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that the same e-mail that says you'll have X increase in performance, too?

PARAGON

12-19-2005, 06:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomp:
Why would I do that when I have an email that states that the screen is suppose to be there. I got the email before I even made the purchase. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Because you have absolutely zero credibility here and have offered no concrete proof of any claim you've made, including ownership or the elusive screens in Granatelli's MAFs. Why should anyone assume you are telling the truth when it contradicts Granatelli's website and MY pictures which show it actually installed in an H2 with the original box and it looks exactly like the pictures on Granatelli's website. Why would anyone assume that something you typed in a post here is a legitimate copy of an email when you've shown yourself to all here how big a dumbass you are.

So, to turn it around on you. It looks to me like you bought a stock MAF off of Ebay that someone put a inkjet sticker on and sold as a Granatelli MAF. Dumbass. Go screw some inmates.