Has anyone else had to have the entire head replaced? I smell recall.

[Modley]

Here's the story:

Last week I noticed the engine was running a little rough at idle.
The following day the engine light came on and would not go out. I took my H3 to the dealer the following morning. After about 30 minutes they came back and told me I had the same problem as two others they already had.

I'm not a engine expert to any means so I will do my best to explain what I was told.

To the best of GM's ability they think the computer is running the engine too lean causing a overheating condition in the cylinder. This causes the valves to burn and make it not seat well. This in return causes a low compression problem thus the computer engine light.

GM has told them to replace the entire head and everything related and update the computer code to fix the lean problem They have also been instructed to send in all replaced parts for them to examine.

That was Sat I called today to check and see the status and found out the now have 5 with this problem.

This is looking very bad.

I had 12,000 miles the previous two had 7 and 9 thousand.

He mentioned that they had a problem with the Colorado at one time with a similar issue but GM says this is different.

He told me that the head has to go into a machine shop to get worked when they get the parts.

GM told him they are getting more and more of these everyday.

I wonder how long it will be before they start a recall. I guess when they determine the exact course.

I wish I had never bought my H3. I shoulda known better.

[Modley]

Here's the story:

Last week I noticed the engine was running a little rough at idle.
The following day the engine light came on and would not go out. I took my H3 to the dealer the following morning. After about 30 minutes they came back and told me I had the same problem as two others they already had.

I'm not a engine expert to any means so I will do my best to explain what I was told.

To the best of GM's ability they think the computer is running the engine too lean causing a overheating condition in the cylinder. This causes the valves to burn and make it not seat well. This in return causes a low compression problem thus the computer engine light.

GM has told them to replace the entire head and everything related and update the computer code to fix the lean problem They have also been instructed to send in all replaced parts for them to examine.

That was Sat I called today to check and see the status and found out the now have 5 with this problem.

This is looking very bad.

I had 12,000 miles the previous two had 7 and 9 thousand.

He mentioned that they had a problem with the Colorado at one time with a similar issue but GM says this is different.

He told me that the head has to go into a machine shop to get worked when they get the parts.

GM told him they are getting more and more of these everyday.

I wonder how long it will be before they start a recall. I guess when they determine the exact course.

I wish I had never bought my H3. I shoulda known better.

[HIHUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I wish I had never bought my H3. I shoulda known better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well...at least you learned your lesson. Now...go by a hybrid. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Idiot.

[Modley]

Thanks for your wonderful input. You are so helpful.

Kick a guy while hes down why don't you.

Don't get me wrong I love my hummer. But I'd really love it if I could drive it.

Gees can't a guy vent!

[HIHUMMER]

Sure doll. You want to vent, this is the place to do it.

You love your hummer, but wish you never bought it?? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Don't mean to kick you while your down. I'm just feeling a little feisty today. Please..continue.

[Modley]

OK let me rephrase.

"I wish I had waited till there was a proven track record for the H3."

I'm thinking call me crazy but if there's 5 in my dealership in two weeks. There might be a problem.

I don't like the idea of my engine basicly being rebuilt after only 12000 miles.

Would you?

Hopefully they will nail down the problem and put out a fix so others will not have to go through this.

I only posted to see if others are having problems.

Besides I like em Fiesty.

[Mike B]

fiesty or PMSing?

Thanks for the "heads up"

[Sewie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I wish I had never bought my H3. I shoulda known better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When your first post ends with that line, expect to get some sh!t for it.

Sucks you're having problems, but that's what warranty is for. Could you maybe go into more detail on the symptoms so others on here would know what to look for. Just in case this does become a common problem.

[HIHUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"I wish I had waited till there was a proven track record for the H3." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good Boy. That's better. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HIHUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">fiesty </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Don't be ugly Mike. I know where you live! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Modley]

I know I should of waited more than 2 minutes after getting off the phone with the dealer.I'm much calmer now.

The only symptoms were a rough idle (engine shimmy) Then the engine light came on within a couple of days. It did seem there was some power loss.

They said the compression on 2 cylinders was low 150 on one and 180 on another.

I think he said below 200 was a problem.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mike B:
fiesty or PMSing? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's amazing how many times PMS comes up on this forum..... About once a month per woman. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[f5fstop]

I just have to ask, "do you really believe what a dealer tells you."
Whether there is a problem or not with the cylinder head

"GM has told them to replace the entire head and everything related and update the computer code to fix the lean problem They have also been instructed to send in all replaced parts for them to examine."

Sending back parts can be a standard procedure, depending upon the parts. I haven't checked, but I'm sure this part is considered a core return part.

"He told me that the head has to go into a machine shop to get worked when they get the parts."

Now, I'll be honest, this line makes me laugh. If the dealer is getting a new head, there is absolutely no reason for them to send it out to a machine shop when received. The head will be ready to install right out of the box.

"I wish I had never bought my H3. I shoulda known better."

I guess all other trucks/SUVs/cars, etc., can never break...damn, wish I had known that.

Excuse me, but for some reason, I have a hard time believing a first post with the statements you have made. Either this is a troll post, or you are exaggerating the problems, or the dealer is really in bad shape.

[DarthKarl]

My diagnosis: Troll Boy

[PARAGON]

I am a little confused or you are. The title AND you stated in your opening post that the head had to be replaced. Yet you followed that up with the fact that you are waiting because "He told me that the head has to go into a machine shop to get worked when they get the parts."

[PARAGON]

Apparently I am not the only one confused.

[NEOCON1]

f5 nailed it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Mike B]

If he had gotten a Prius this would never have happened.

[Modley]

He said the head has to be fitted to the valves or something. Like they had to be matched. He said is more of a polish/sandpaper thing. He said he could do it in house but he has hired a local machine shop to do it because "they do it every day". Or maybe it's because they have 5 of them. I don't know.

This is a fairly large hummer dealer they sell 40+ H3's a month.

Hell I don't know maybe they are lying to me and their out muddin.

As far as the "I guess all other trucks/SUVs/cars, etc., can never break...damn, wish I had known that."

I have never had a vehicle with this large a problem after only 12000 miles. Actually never less then 130,000 miles. In fact I don't know of anyone with this large a problem on this many vehicles.

Maybe I've just been lucky

Come one 5 in two weeks?

[NEOCON1]

this many vehicles ? you said you heard of two besides yours thats not many

[boomer]

i had simular problem with a wrangler with about 10000 miles, wanted to rebuild head. i told them i didnt shell out $27000 to have head rebuilt at 10000 miles. they said thats what 5 star told them they had to do.i called cunsumer affairs in detroit explained situation within 48 hours had new head put in. i would not let them rebuild anything on a truck that new. remeber squieky wheel gets the oil
my h3 should be here next week black luz ebony and marrocco chrome pac chrome wheels sun roof rear dvds mud flaps xm

[bparker]

I have yet to hear about 1 head going bad (IE Warping). Recall? No way..

The lil 5 cyl enigine is "known" to be a great long lasting engine.

Will one or more break? Ugh, ya of course some will but I think the majority of them out there are running just great.

I hope it all works out for ya and if not remember you can always buy an electric car or a cammel..

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
this many vehicles ? you said you heard of two besides yours thats not many </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please read from the original post.

"That was Sat I called today to check and see the status and found out the now have 5 with this problem."

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I am a little confused or you are. The title AND you stated in your opening post that the head had to be replaced. Yet you followed that up with the fact that you are waiting because "He told me that the head has to go into a machine shop to get worked when they get the parts." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He said and I quote"The new head will go to a machine shop to be worked" He was speaking of the new head. He said "The new parts (e.g. valves) do not fit perfectly together and must be fitted to to the place that they seat.

Geez you guys sure defend you H3's

[f5fstop]

Six or seven in one dealership is one thing I have a hard time believing.
So, you are saying they are getting a bare cylinder head and they have to lap the valves to the head. However, if GM wanted this back for inspection, they would require the entire head with the valves, and which time they would send out another full head assembly. (Partsguy might jump in and straighten me out, just in case they don't offer a full head assembly; I will check tomorrow just out of curiosity).
If the tech who is working on the engine cannot lap the valves to the cylinder head, then you have a right to be worried. Installing the valves, keepers, springs, etc. are very easy, and the dealer has all the right tools in their tool kit. (Special tools they paid for from Kent-Moore.)
Would hope they are not out muddin' but for a dealer to make these statements make me think the dealer is full of poopie (that's a politically correct word for **** http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).
As for miles on vehicles and repairs, you appear to have been very lucky over the years.
In the past ten years, I have had the following experiences with cars:
1995 SSEi - Updated Calibration
1996 SSEi - Nothing
1997 Jeep - Exhaust manifold, ignition coil, cylinder head, timing chain, all withing 12K, then nothing for another 20+K. Guess the dealer finally got it right.
1998 SSEi - Recalibration and new floor mats
1998 Cadillac Caterra - Nothing big, but in one year, 14 trips (half towed) to the dealer
1999 Corvette - Nothing until I took it apart and modified it, which I'm still doing.
1999 GTP - Nothing
2001 GTP - Head up display replaced
2003 Corvette - Three trips to dealer (one was for a broken ignition key ring attachment)
2003 Jeep Wrangler - Spark plug, exhaust manifold.

I guess what I'm saying is that some cars break, some don't.

Yes, we do defend the H3, but look at this logically. Your first post is full of ambiguous and far fetech statements, and again, your last sentence makes you appear to be a troll.
I understand there are people out there who actually believe what a service person says, but for many of us, we believe half of what they say and ignore the other half.

[Modley]

Now as far as your Prius/Electric/Camel comment's. You can shove those flamer so called vehicles right up u know where.

Man u guys r a**holes.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Six or seven in one dealership is one thing I have a hard time believing.
So, you are saying they are getting a bare cylinder head and they have to lap the valves to the head. However, if GM wanted this back for inspection, they would require the entire head with the valves, and which time they would send out another full head assembly. (Partsguy might jump in and straighten me out, just in case they don't offer a full head assembly; I will check tomorrow just out of curiosity).
If the tech who is working on the engine cannot lap the valves to the cylinder head, then you have a right to be worried. Installing the valves, keepers, springs, etc. are very easy, and the dealer has all the right tools in their tool kit. (Special tools they paid for from Kent-Moore.)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you guys read my typing

"He said he could do it in house but he has hired a local machine shop to do it because "they do it every day". Or maybe it's because they have 5 of them. I don't know."

[HIHUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Man u guys r a**holes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


NANA NANA NANA....u guys r a**holes!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
Now as far as your Prius/Electric/Camel comment's. You can shove those flamer so called vehicles right up u know where.

Man u guys r a**holes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why thank you very much. Then again, you are not the first to call me that, and I would bet a year's salary, you won't be the last.
Have a great day....Goodbye, I know when I'm not wanted.
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[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarthKarl:
My diagnosis: Troll Boy </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea that's it I randomly go and post stuff just to annoy you guys.

I have a life.

I just went online to see if anyone else was having the same issue and up jumps a bunch of closed ear people.

I really jope there's not a big problem with them. Maybee it's just a batch that my dealer got. Probably not since the dealer said that he is working with TAC or some kind of tech support people at GM and they are seeing the same thing.

Does any one here work at a dealer. If so go ask you service guy to call GM and see if they are experienceing this problem or is my dealer lying to me.

That will solve it.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HIHUMMER:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Man u guys r a**holes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


NANA NANA NANA....u guys r a**holes!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You were included. Geez

[DarthKarl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
Do you guys read my typing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read my typing:

Troll

1. verb,noun: To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.

[timgco]

I CALL BS! Prove me wrong. What dealer? What service writer?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I am a little confused or you are. The title AND you stated in your opening post that the head had to be replaced. Yet you followed that up with the fact that you are waiting because "He told me that the head has to go into a machine shop to get worked when they get the parts." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He said and I quote"The new head will go to a machine shop to be worked" He was speaking of the new head. He said "The new parts (e.g. valves) do not fit perfectly together and must be fitted to to the place that they seat.

Geez you guys sure defend you H3's </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't have a H3. I defend common sense and intelligence.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarthKarl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
Do you guys read my typing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read my typing:

Troll

1. verb,noun: To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look I did not come here looking to elicit a negative response I came here to ask


HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM?

It seems to be no.


Thanks for you hospitality. Jacka**es

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarthKarl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
Do you guys read my typing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read my typing:

Troll

1. verb,noun: To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase “trolling for newbies” which in turn comes from mainstream “trolling”, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look I did not come here looking to elicit a negative response I came here to ask


HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM?

It seems to be no.


Thanks for you hospitality. Jacka**es </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://images.snapfish.com/3455493523232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E2353%3D829%3D8%3A%3C%3 DXROQDF%3E2324244%3A99243ot1lsi

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I CALL BS! Prove me wrong. What dealer? What service writer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tell you what I will PM you with the dealer info. You can call them and ask.

Does that sound fair?

[f5fstop]

http://images.snapfish.com/3455594323232%7Ffp336%3Enu%3D3262%3E738%3E7%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D3233336334%3B%3B3nu0mrj

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I CALL BS! Prove me wrong. What dealer? What service writer? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tell you what I will PM you with the dealer info. You can call them and ask.

Does that sound fair? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey Jason, will you PM me too?

[timgco]

Just go ahead and PM Paragon.

[DarthKarl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
Thanks for you hospitality. Jacka**es </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Come on back now, ya hear"

[partsguy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Six or seven in one dealership is one thing I have a hard time believing.
So, you are saying they are getting a bare cylinder head and they have to lap the valves to the head. However, if GM wanted this back for inspection, they would require the entire head with the valves, and which time they would send out another full head assembly. (Partsguy might jump in and straighten me out, just in case they don't offer a full head assembly; I will check tomorrow just out of curiosity).
If the tech who is working on the engine cannot lap the valves to the cylinder head, then you have a right to be worried. Installing the valves, keepers, springs, etc. are very easy, and the dealer has all the right tools in their tool kit. (Special tools they paid for from Kent-Moore.)
Would hope they are not out muddin' but for a dealer to make these statements make me think the dealer is full of poopie (that's a politically correct word for **** http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).
As for miles on vehicles and repairs, you appear to have been very lucky over the years.
In the past ten years, I have had the following experiences with cars:
1995 SSEi - Updated Calibration
1996 SSEi - Nothing
1997 Jeep - Exhaust manifold, ignition coil, cylinder head, timing chain, all withing 12K, then nothing for another 20+K. Guess the dealer finally got it right.
1998 SSEi - Recalibration and new floor mats
1998 Cadillac Caterra - Nothing big, but in one year, 14 trips (half towed) to the dealer
1999 Corvette - Nothing until I took it apart and modified it, which I'm still doing.
1999 GTP - Nothing
2001 GTP - Head up display replaced
2003 Corvette - Three trips to dealer (one was for a broken ignition key ring attachment)
2003 Jeep Wrangler - Spark plug, exhaust manifold.

I guess what I'm saying is that some cars break, some don't.

Yes, we do defend the H3, but look at this logically. Your first post is full of ambiguous and far fetech statements, and again, your last sentence makes you appear to be a troll.
I understand there are people out there who actually believe what a service person says, but for many of us, we believe half of what they say and ignore the other half. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><span class="ev_code_RED">Don't involve me(even if you are correct http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.Loaded heads would be the cheapest way for GM to go.Why would they pay the labor rate to assemble said bare heads.I think this person has been BS"d by a service person who made somthing up to make up for time spent in the service dept.Someone forgot to order something or did't know what was wrong to begin with.If your full of it shame on ya!! If not I"m sorry but,You need to talk with the service Mgr.</span>

[f5fstop]

Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just sent it to you. I would love to know if I'm being BS'd

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by partsguy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Six or seven in one dealership is one thing I have a hard time believing.
So, you are saying they are getting a bare cylinder head and they have to lap the valves to the head. However, if GM wanted this back for inspection, they would require the entire head with the valves, and which time they would send out another full head assembly. (Partsguy might jump in and straighten me out, just in case they don't offer a full head assembly; I will check tomorrow just out of curiosity).
If the tech who is working on the engine cannot lap the valves to the cylinder head, then you have a right to be worried. Installing the valves, keepers, springs, etc. are very easy, and the dealer has all the right tools in their tool kit. (Special tools they paid for from Kent-Moore.)
Would hope they are not out muddin' but for a dealer to make these statements make me think the dealer is full of poopie (that's a politically correct word for **** http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).
As for miles on vehicles and repairs, you appear to have been very lucky over the years.
In the past ten years, I have had the following experiences with cars:
1995 SSEi - Updated Calibration
1996 SSEi - Nothing
1997 Jeep - Exhaust manifold, ignition coil, cylinder head, timing chain, all withing 12K, then nothing for another 20+K. Guess the dealer finally got it right.
1998 SSEi - Recalibration and new floor mats
1998 Cadillac Caterra - Nothing big, but in one year, 14 trips (half towed) to the dealer
1999 Corvette - Nothing until I took it apart and modified it, which I'm still doing.
1999 GTP - Nothing
2001 GTP - Head up display replaced
2003 Corvette - Three trips to dealer (one was for a broken ignition key ring attachment)
2003 Jeep Wrangler - Spark plug, exhaust manifold.

I guess what I'm saying is that some cars break, some don't.

Yes, we do defend the H3, but look at this logically. Your first post is full of ambiguous and far fetech statements, and again, your last sentence makes you appear to be a troll.
I understand there are people out there who actually believe what a service person says, but for many of us, we believe half of what they say and ignore the other half. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><span class="ev_code_RED">Don't involve me(even if you are correct http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.Loaded heads would be the cheapest way for GM to go.Why would they pay the labor rate to assemble said bare heads.I think this person has been BS"d by a service person who made somthing up to make up for time spent in the service dept.Someone forgot to order something or did't know what was wrong to begin with.If your full of it shame on ya!! If not I"m sorry but,You need to talk with the service Mgr.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I understand. Maybe I am being BS'd by the dealer. The next dealer is 220 miles away so I kinda have to go by what they are telling me.

I'm assuming F5 has the ability to look it up. So we will see.

[Huck BB62]

I've got only ONE QUESTION. If this is simply a matter of the computer running the engine lean, why aren't we all being called in to be reprogrammed before it tears up our heads? Hmmm?!? Inquiring minds want to know.

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just sent it to you. I would love to know if I'm being BS'd </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strange, didn't get it.

As for why there is not a recall if it is a calibration.

If this is a legitimate thread, it takes time to write a calibration. The problem has to be analyzed. Makes no sense to go out with a new calibration that could cause other problems.
If an engine is burning too lean, destroying valves, then it does not make sense to richen up the mixture, and have another problem pop up. In other words, you just can't fix a lean condition, and every time an engine calibration is changed, it has to be emission certified.
In addition, it could be what is called a "quality spill." Heads may actually be the problem and only certain ones are affected. (Similar to the rear axle problem early in the game.)
Then again, if it is only five or ten H3s that have shown up, out of 28K that have been sold, this won't even attract attention.
TAC will send a report to the powertrain engineering report, but if it just started it takes time to come out with a repair.

They have quite a few of these H3s in the GM fleet, some with loads of miles, and I have not heard a thing about this problem (doesn't mean it does not exist).

[HIHUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HIHUMMER:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Man u guys r a**holes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


NANA NANA NANA....u guys r a**holes!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You were included. Geez </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/evil/752.gif

[usetosellhummer]

no dealer rep in his right mind would tell you other trucks are haivng the same problem and scare you like that. Sounds like Bull Sheeet

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Just PM me with the last eight digits of your VIN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just sent it to you. I would love to know if I'm being BS'd </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strange, didn't get it.

As for why there is not a recall if it is a calibration.

If this is a legitimate thread, it takes time to write a calibration. The problem has to be analyzed. Makes no sense to go out with a new calibration that could cause other problems.
If an engine is burning too lean, destroying valves, then it does not make sense to richen up the mixture, and have another problem pop up. In other words, you just can't fix a lean condition, and every time an engine calibration is changed, it has to be emission certified.
In addition, it could be what is called a "quality spill." Heads may actually be the problem and only certain ones are affected. (Similar to the rear axle problem early in the game.)
Then again, if it is only five or ten H3s that have shown up, out of 28K that have been sold, this won't even attract attention.
TAC will send a report to the powertrain engineering report, but if it just started it takes time to come out with a repair.

They have quite a few of these H3s in the GM fleet, some with loads of miles, and I have not heard a thing about this problem (doesn't mean it does not exist). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well thats what he's telling me. I guess he's lying to me.

I sent you the PM with the VIN by clicking on start a private thread. Did you check there?

[Modley]

I started a thread and it shows you were invited however you havent joined

I can see it at:

Go/my space/private messaging/

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I started a thread and it shows you were invited however you havent joined

I can see it at:

Go/my space/private messaging/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Funny, I didn't get a PM either. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Must be something else that is broke only for you.

A little more of why your whole story sounds like BS is because the problems with the Colorado/Canyon I-5s were related to the valve springs. To solve those problems, they did not replace the head, valves or anything except the valve springs and didn't need to pull the head to do it.

Of course, you haven't mentioned who the dealer is, who your service writer is, or anything that legit owners here bring up when they have problems crop up like this.

[Modley]

He does have it and I'll be glad to provide you with verification. How do you want to do it. You want me to conference you in with the dealer? You want to call them with me on the phone? As long as it's fair.

I'm starting to think you guys are the Trolls

I have told everyone here exactly what the dealer told me.

I have nothing to Hide.

I don't know if my dealer is BSin me that's why I came to this forum.


To find out if anyone else is experiencing the same issue.

[HIHUMMER]

As P already mentioned...

Who IS your dealer????

It's only fair that you let us know that so we can make sure that other H3 owners don't get "BS'd" as well. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Modley]

Sunrise Hummer Bartlett, TN

[HIHUMMER]

Now was that freakin hard! Thanks!

[Modley]

Did you ever think that maybe I did't want to make my dealer look bad.

I'd really do not want to make Hummer or my dealer look bad.

The dealer has been very very good to me. The only problem is my Hummer is broke and the problem they are telling me I have is very troubling.

[timgco]

Sunrise HUMMER
8500 Highway 64
Bartlett, TN 38133
Phone (901) 333-8000


Paul Baggett is the Hummer Service Manager.

He was not available to talk with when I called. I didnot LVM though.

[HIHUMMER]

Your thought process is amazing. I hate that your having a problem with your H3..I really do...but the more you talk...the bigger of a hypocrite you look like.
I love my hummer but wish I didn't buy it
The dealer might be BSing me...but I don't want them to look bad.

WTF!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
I'm not trying to ride you a$$...I'm just trying to understand.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HIHUMMER:
Your thought process is amazing. I hate that your having a problem with your H3..I really do...but the more you talk...the bigger of a hypocrite you look like.
I love my hummer but wish I didn't buy it
The dealer might be BSing me...but I don't want them to look bad.

WTF!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
I'm not trying to ride you a$$...I'm just trying to understand. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geez you guys said he's Bsin me not me!

I said I wish I hadn't bought it at a time when I was just told there were major problems with it. And that there were others with the same problem.

What do you expect.

Now you guys say there is no know problem and that my dealer is BS'in me.

Who am I to believe random people on the net or my dealer?

Maybe we will soon know.

[RMST]

Hey guys listen to Burgundy(Modley), he sounds like some SCHOOLGIRL B*TCH!!!

[Modley]

What the hell's the Burgundy comment!

OK I got to go on a 8 hour drive in my rental.

You guys now know the dealer and F5 has the VIN

I assume that if someone calls the dealer they will tell you the same thing they told me.

I will check back in late tonight.

[HIHUMMER]

Hopefully somone here can help you.

[PARAGON]

Memphis..... hmmmm.... over by Wolfchase. Been there.

I think this thread is very boring, but it interests me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HIHUMMER]

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing06.gif

[Modley]

GD is it that hard to understand?

First:
I loved my Hummer until it broke the F down. So I started to wish I hadn't bought it. Simple

Second:

The dealer has been great. The product is starting not to look so great.

I wouldn't blame BestBuy because a Sony TV broke. I'd blame Sony.
I wouldn't have a problem with BestBuy unless the wouldn't help replace or fix it.

So far the dealer has been great.

God I can't believe I have to explain this!

I tell you what I really am starting to wish is I hadn't found this web site with a bunch of jacka**es that want to give me a hard time.

So Timgco have you called back?

[NoMoGMPG]

First out, I haven't been made aware of any widespread issues with the I-5 used in the Colorado/H3. That doesn't mean there isn't the possibility of isolated issues. I do know that we have not replaced a single cylinder head...yet. When GM requests that an assembly replaced under warranty be returned to the WPC (Warrany Parts Center) it is to determine the root cause of failure and to determine if replacement was warranted. This take time. If there is an issue, and it is widespread, then it becomes a recall or campaign to repair a defect. If it is an isolated event, usually regionalized, it goes out as a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) and IF the issue is brought as a complaint by the consumer AND the vehicle falls under the parameters of the TSB, the repair is performed.

That is how it works.

Now, as far as replacement of the cylinder head being warranted, I believe that it is standard practice to tear it down and send it out for magnafluxing and surface flatness by a qulaified machine shop. If the valves were burned due to a lean condition, GM would pay to have the damaged valves replaced, no question. If the head is warped beyond specification, it would be replaced, no question. But if you read your new vehicle warranty, it clearly states redundantly, that GM will repair OR replace at their discretion. In other words, what would most benefit them, make the consumer happy, and cost them the least.

My guess is they suspect a calibration problem, are working on a temporary field fix to get by on, and will come out with a TSB shortly containing a recalibration.

[HumbleAg]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I tell you what I really am starting to wish is I hadn't found this web site with a bunch of jacka**es that want to give me a hard time.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's what to do:

1) Delete your history of visited websites.
2) Delete your cookies.
3) Delete all temporary internet files.
4) Turn off your computer.

By the time it boots back up you'll probably forget you were ever here.

And, by the way, I think the troll comments were probably right on track.

[Modley]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
First out, I haven't been made aware of any widespread issues with the I-5 used in the Colorado/H3. That doesn't mean there isn't the possibility of isolated issues. I do know that we have not replaced a single cylinder head...yet. When GM requests that an assembly replaced under warranty be returned to the WPC (Warrany Parts Center) it is to determine the root cause of failure and to determine if replacement was warranted. This take time. If there is an issue, and it is widespread, then it becomes a recall or campaign to repair a defect. If it is an isolated event, usually regionalized, it goes out as a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) and IF the issue is brought as a complaint by the consumer AND the vehicle falls under the parameters of the TSB, the repair is performed.

That is how it works.

Now, as far as replacement of the cylinder head being warranted, I believe that it is standard practice to tear it down and send it out for magnafluxing and surface flatness by a qulaified machine shop. If the valves were burned due to a lean condition, GM would pay to have the damaged valves replaced, no question. If the head is warped beyond specification, it would be replaced, no question. But if you read your new vehicle warranty, it clearly states redundantly, that GM will repair OR replace at their discretion. In other words, what would most benefit them, make the consumer happy, and cost them the least.

My guess is they suspect a calibration problem, are working on a temporary field fix to get by on, and will come out with a TSB shortly containing a recalibration. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree. That sounds in line with what they are telling me. They said they were sending the entire assembled part back for evaluation.

The only reason I even brought up the recall is that my dealer said he already had 2 with this problem and when I called back he had two more.

As soon as I posted anything about this here everybody immediately starts calling me a liar, future prius owner and every other kind of thing. No one wanted to even possibly think that I was telling the truth.

The only reason I have followed this as long as I have is to see all of those people realize their wrong.

It's funny that I have given VIN numbers dealer info and no one still wants to admit that I've been telling the truth.

I stick with my original statements.

[f5fstop]

I have not received any VIN information from you, so let's get that straight. Plenty of other people here have emailed me or sent private messages, so that is not the problem. But just in case, here is my address f5fstop@comcast.net.
Now, as for the cylinder head, to my surprise it is serviced as a bare head (why they do this amazes me). So, the dealer tech has to assemble with new valves, springs, head, etc., if the entire assembly was returned.
If there is this problem you are saying, the engineers would want the head back all in one piece, they would check it out. If nothing comes of the checks, they might have it installed on a test vehicle and driven to see if they can verify the original problem.

As for you, the take a logical view of your original post, and the mentions of recalls, the high number of vehicles (for one dealer this is high), and your now infamous last sentence, then you could draw the same conclusion that the rest of us did in the beginning. It looks like a troll post; especially since it was your first post.
We have quite a few trolls hit this website, as do other websites.

As for problems, from what I learned today, there is no large problem with the head. As in anything man made, some will break, some calibrations will go haywire, etc. This is not to say there won't be a problem in the future, but from what I learned today, the labor op for head replacement on this vehicle is very, very low. And labor ops are the main trigger for a problem, other than TAC input.
But TAC is not that reliable, especially since they are a contract firm, and not GM employees. In addition, there are NO preliminary investigations at this time on cylinder head issues on the H3 or on any other vehicle using this engine. A preliminary investigation is initiated by TAC to get info out to the field.

So, whether you send a VIN or not, is up to you, but stop saying I have it, because I don't. Personally, I have decided this thread is no longer any more fun, or informative, so since http://hometown.aol.com/f5fstop01/images/nothing_funny_to_add.gif I'm out of here. My dog wants to go play in the snow.

[f5fstop]

Ok, I'm back. Something must be wrong with the system, I have no indication a PM was sent, yet there is one, so I apologize for that.
In addition, since you are in the VOL state, I will be nice. (Just moved from there a few months ago.)
Nothing shows on your service history, other than the seats covers being replaced, and the door jamb switch being replaced. Normally, the labor op and repair is not submitted until after the work.
You do have an open campaign (recall) so make sure the dealer checks your rear wiper washer motor, and replace it if necessary. With the cylinder head off the vehicle, this check of the washer motor will take the dealer less than five seconds. If the pump needs to be replaced, it will take them fifteen minutes at the most.
Again, I have to stress that your first post did appear to be that of a troll. However, I still say I can find no problems with a large number of cylinder heads.
Can't even say the dealer is pulling your leg. However, I will reiterate that if the dealer tech cannot lap the new valves to the new head, and build the head up, they are in dire need of some training. It only takes a few hours AT THE MOST.

Good luck...

[DarthKarl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I stick with my original statements. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I'll stick with mine: TROLL

[trebor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
I just have to ask, "do you really believe what a dealer tells you." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy what a HYPOCRITE!!!!!

f5fstop you originally told me to -

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
let the ones trained on the Hummer H3, work on it and see if there is a problem </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now if anyone gets on here and says they have a problem you call them a liar and say not to tell anyone about it, just take it in for warranty.

I understand his last statement was derogatory towards our beloved H3's, but you don't even ask for an explanation before everyone is calling him a liar.

His situation sounds like a regional one, possibly something with the driving conditions or too low octane fuel. That is if the dealer has several of these in for the same reason and this is not going on any where else in the country. About 15 yrs ago we had several vehicles of all makes and models coming into our shop with running too lean issues, it turned out to be traceable back to one gas station that was cutting the fuel with a grain alcohol additive. He was not mixing it to the proper ratios.

Sometimes I think GM just pays you to sit on the forums and say nothing ever goes wrong with their vehicles. (that is if you really work for GM, maybe there PR firm)

I have had the transmission go out in mine at 3074 miles and GM wanted it back to tear down and see what happened. (I saw the print out from GM) Not a core but sent to some quality control center.

By the way does anyone know if BCMs are shipping yet. I am still waiting on one to fix the dash lights in my H3.

[f5fstop]

I guess all I have to say to you, is shove it where the sun does not shine, and if you are to quote me and call me a hypocrite, then post the entire thread.

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2706067735/m/5...271055641#3271055641 (http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2706067735/m/5311069441/r/3271055641#3271055641)

In the first quote, I'm referring to the dealer's service adviser and/or in some cases the service manager. In the second, I'm referring to factory trained technicians diagnosing a problem. As a so-called ASE certified technician, I guess I was wrong in assuming you understood how some dealership employees like to stretch the truth to make the customer have a good feeling that they are not the only ones having problems. As a so-called ASE certified technician, and for those who work in most dealerships, they probably not only understand this, but are amused and sometimes peed off at what the advisers and SM will sometimes tell a customer.

This is the second time you have accused me of not being a GM employee. What you think is of no concern to me. Read the thread I posted, and understand the English language. You originally stated it sounds like brakes, and mentioned the transmission, all I did was explain how some of the newer transmission are programmed, and I mentioned it was hard to diagnose not being there personally. I guess I assumed wrong in thinking that you, as a so-called ASE certified technician, would understand how hard it is to diagnose a problem from hundreds of miles away, without being at the vehicle.

Yes, some people have problems with their H3, I have been lucky in not having anything wrong with mine...so far. Hell, I could go out today and blow the engine. However, I am not the only one on this site who has had no problems with my H3, there are plenty of others.

Modley's first post to this forum was exactly what a troll would do, and I have since corrected this to say that it now appears to be a legitimate problem with his vehicle. I still see nothing in regard to a problem nationwide.

As for being a PR guy for GM, well, I won't even dignify that remark with an answer, but I will say there are plenty of people on this site who know that I am who I say I am; if for any reason other than they have received emails from my GM.COM address.

So, you have a nice day, and as far as BCMs shipping, maybe someone else will answer that one for you.

[hyperion78]

I think of all people to slam, Fstop would not be one of them. he's one of the nicest people on here, and if someone comes in with a problem he does his best to help people out, if it's explaining how a part works or to say which part to have looked at. And if he messes up some how he says he's sorry rather than just make up some lame ass excuse. So get off his nuts.

[trebor]

Ok, look I know he tries to help if you already have a track record on this website. What my issue is, with f5fstop and with anyone else that flames against someone is that they don't even ask before they react. It seems they pass judgment before they even have asked any questions.

f5fstop, you had already decided that you knew what was wrong with my vehicle before you even read my post yourself, I stated that my wife thought it was the brakes. After I test drove it myself I told you it was when you shifted from reverse to drive or from drive to reverse, while coming to a complete stop. You still insisted that it was in the TCM or PCM. The issue is that people may have the same symptoms on the surface but with out getting deeper and asking questions you will not find out that they may all be different issues.

Modley, I have checked with my sources at GM (which I still have quite a few) they say there is no nation wide issues with the head. You may want to have the dealer check your fuel for water or too high alcohol, if they are using it.

As for everyone here, I don't know what the problem is, I know when you spend $40,000 on a vehicle and something goes wrong, you just want to vent a little. He could have vented at the Jeep dealer while looking for a different vehicle, but he chose to vent here where we should be telling him that it will be fine when the dealer gets it back to him. Instead we are calling him a forum troll and a liar. Makes me want to drive my Hummer in shame of this community.

I will keep my Hummer and I will keep coming here to read the posts. Even f5fstop is helpful, in most cases. I just get a little disappointed when everyone acts like idiots.

I just won't come to ya'll with any problems.
Because ya'll aren't much help in that area.

The forum title needs to be changed to say you can only say good things about your Hummer, if you have a problem keep it to yourself.

[f5fstop]

Amazing, you can actually read my mind. No, I did not jump into that previous message, or this message with a closed mind. As for your message, I have to ask, being the ASE certified technician, why didn't you diagnose the problem. You had the vehicle, you could drive it; therefore, you should have been able to diagnose it.
I would hope that everyone understands that anytime I, or anyone else gives some information, it is with the fact that we cannot guarantee what we say is correct. We can only give what we know. If the vehicle had been driven by me, and diagnosed, then I MIGHT have been able to give you a correct assessment of the problem.
As for this thread. I guess I am cynical of any first thread that had some of the statements made by the poster; especially the last sentence. After years on many forums including Corvette and Jeep, I have found that most posts that start out that way are from trolls. This was a mistake on my part in regard to this thread, and I stated this a few posts earlier.
I attempt to help when I can, and there are many threads I don't say a thing in since I know not what the answer MIGHT be. However, if there is something that could be the problem, I'm more than happy to address the issue.
As for good things, do I apologize because I do have a H3 that has been pretty much trouble free? I don't think so. The troubles reported on this site are only a very small number, not only on this site, but with overall sales. How many are on the H3 forum? Under 1000, and there are over 27K sold and on the roads. If a few have problems, then I feel for them, but I would not say that with these numbers any problem would be considered a crisis.
(I have complained about some of the things I believe should be fixed with the design such as brake pedal placement, window switches, wiper park position, etc.)
Yes, it is true that a few on here have problems, and all those who have problems have legitimate complaints, especially in regard to the replacement of BCMs (which I might add I checked supply today, and per GM Dealerworld's Epic system, there are none available).
I consider this to be BS and there is no reason, in my mind, why there are no BCMs available. Even for me, it has crossed my mind what do I do if a BCM goes out.
I do know that there is a large number of BCMs replaced by dealers, when testing proves out the BCM was not at fault, and this could cut supply, but why there are no BCMs available at this time, makes me wonder what in the H is going on. (Enough of my ramblings on the BCM which does pee me off.)

I see no reason why you can't ask a question on this forum. Most people mean well, and I promise not to add any comments in any of your threads you post from now on; if that is what you desire.

In closing, I do not want to fight or argue about these subjects; it takes up too much valuable time.

Have a good day (and that is not sarcasm)...

[hyperion78]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trebor:
It seems they pass judgment before they even have asked any questions.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no I will agree with you on that point that there are a few people that do seem to over top really quickly, but from what I noticed it's not normally the H3 drivers to go off first. No offense to the H2 guys, just an observation. Just a different midset for the two groups, or maybe they just need a hug :-P

[bparker]

I started to laugh when you posted this as i agree as well - however - if you think about it, you must give the origional H2 drivers alot of respect due to the fact of HOW MUCH $HIT they had to put up with. I mean; media, friends, know it alls, tree huggers and not to mention vandalism!

Those guys over the past years have really had to grow some thick skin to have the bawls to continue to post in a public area. So its no surprise to see them be a little jumpy. Look at what they have been through....

Also, look at the H3s. We are getting off easy. I mean we werent sure if we would catch hell; but honsetly I feel as if the H3 has changed alot of minds from Hummer Haters to Maybe a Future Hummer Driver....


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hyperion78:
....there are a few people that do seem to over top really quickly, but from what I noticed it's not normally the H3 drivers to go off first. No offense to the H2 guys, just an observation. Just a different midset for the two groups, or maybe they just need a hug :-P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[f5fstop]

bparker...you have a point, never thought of it that way. Having lived in the Nashville area when the H2 first came out, never heard too much sh$t given to the H2 owners, and I knew a couple.
Now that I live in MI, my trip to work in the AM encounters at least two H3s and three H2s and on the way home even a white H1.
But I do know in other areas, there are problems for guys with H2s.

[hyperion78]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bparker:
I started to laugh when you posted this as i agree as well - however - if you think about it, you must give the origional H2 drivers alot of respect due to the fact of HOW MUCH $HIT they had to put up with. I mean; media, friends, know it alls, tree huggers and not to mention vandalism!

Those guys over the past years have really had to grow some thick skin to have the bawls to continue to post in a public area. So its no surprise to see them be a little jumpy. Look at what they have been through....

Also, look at the H3s. We are getting off easy. I mean we werent sure if we would catch hell; but honsetly I feel as if the H3 has changed alot of minds from Hummer Haters to Maybe a Future Hummer Driver....


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hyperion78:
....there are a few people that do seem to over top really quickly, but from what I noticed it's not normally the H3 drivers to go off first. No offense to the H2 guys, just an observation. Just a different midset for the two groups, or maybe they just need a hug :-P </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said all they need is a hug. HIhummer can help with that.

[R2]

This sucks, I hope my H3 is ok

[BigBill]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
this many vehicles ? you said you heard of two besides yours thats not many </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Give the guy a break! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Let's focus on the real issue - is there a problem with the engine overheating causing a seal break in the head?

2 vehicles? Yes I realize the numbers aren't a lot, but on a new vehicle, I would think that having 2 occurrences of the same issue might warrant an investigation.

Just my .02! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bill

[NEOCON1]

tell your dealer you want another one so we can stop kickin this dead horse and send ~ some free crap

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Modley:
I wish I had never bought my H3. I shoulda known better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This isn't venting. That's being a pissant troll. GFY!!

[dchou1107]

My h3 has been at the dealer for 2 days already cause they are replacing my cylinder head. I am under the impression that I will not have the H3 back for a few more days. How long does it take? and is it a serious problem where I should be thinking about selling the car. I currently have 34K miles on it

[Hmmm2]

My h3 has been at the dealer for 2 days already cause they are replacing my cylinder head. I am under the impression that I will not have the H3 back for a few more days. How long does it take? and is it a serious problem where I should be thinking about selling the car. I currently have 34K miles on it
I had the cylinder head replaced somewheres around 10,000 miles (if I recall) ..and it took a few days because they had to get parts. I have 19,000 on it now and don't have any problems with that part of the vehicle. I think quite a few here have had that problem, but I haven't heard of anyone having recurring engine problems afterwards.

[H3chicky]

Just got mine back today from having the head replaced. I have almost 28,000 miles on it. I will keep you updated on how it runs.

Barb :)

[Dani]

My h3 has been at the dealer for 2 days already cause they are replacing my cylinder head. I am under the impression that I will not have the H3 back for a few more days. How long does it take? and is it a serious problem where I should be thinking about selling the car. I currently have 34K miles on it

When I had this problem with my H3- it took the dealer about 4 days to get it back to me.

[boomer]

just got back from dealer with check engine light, 45% leakbuy in #1 cyl. i was told they have replaced lots of heads for same reason,soft spot in cast by #1 cyl.also for what its worth, gm has been giving extended warr. out to those with problem if you ask and keep on them

[Steve - SanJose]

Interesting that these head problems are showing up on H3's with higher mileage (over 10, 20, 30K miles). I thought the relatively rare problem would show up earlier.

[Av1ator]

2 heads in the last year and a half for me. First round 12,000 second round 37,000. Warrenty about to expire.. I gotta get rid of this thing.
IN the shop about 3 months total in the last year and a half.

[Steve - SanJose]

I was at the dealer today and the service writer was explaining to a customer the problem and need for head replacement. Not good, but at least that was under warranty.

[Sewie]

2 heads in the last year and a half for me. First round 12,000 second round 37,000. Warrenty about to expire.. I gotta get rid of this thing.
IN the shop about 3 months total in the last year and a half.

If that's true, then contact Hummer and demand they upgrade your warranty to 100K miles. :rolleyes:

[Av1ator]

If that's true, then contact Hummer and demand they upgrade your warranty to 100K miles. :rolleyes:

It is true I don't make this stuff up. You can review my thread My H3 is Broken which describes what I went through my first head change. Now it has been in the shop for more than two weeks and they say it is going to be another week or so while they get the parts.

So exactly who do I make this demand to upgrade my warranty to??
Have they done this for anyone else? I have been thinking I will trade it for an 07 and get the 100K warrenty IF the dealer will make the deal sweet enough. The salesman says he will let me have it at his invoice but I am not so sure that is a good deal.

Thanks for any help anyone can give me.

[Sewie]

So exactly who do I make this demand to upgrade my warranty to?? Have they done this for anyone else?

Call Customer Assistance at 1-866-HUMMER6 and open a case. Demand was probably the wrong word to use. But explain what problems you've had and what you have been through. Then ask them to upgrade your warranty. Obviously, there's no guarantee they'll give you anything. They may just offer GMPP or service vouchers, or just extend the warranty on the parts that have failed. And yes, some of us have been compensated in some way when we had major recurring problems.

[n5bxp]

The truth is that GM shipped the H3's with a defective head. All H3's made before 4/1/06 have heads that are defective. After that date, the H3 was built with new heads.

Mine was made in March 06. I bought it April 29 06.This means that mine was made, and was sold, with GM knowing that it has a head that has a fairly good chance of developing a problem. If I had known about the problem I would have delayed the purchase for a month. I am very upset with this.

I took the truck to Colorado in September, ran several 4x4 roads, a 3000 mile round trip. I am not sure I would do this again, and risk the problem developing a long way from home, and then have to deal with a week long repair a long way from home. This is a vehicle disabling problem.

To ad insult to injury, the 07 H3, which does not have a defective head, has a 100,000 mile warranty.

Everyone with a vehicle made before 4/1/06 should complain to Hummer, and GM. This was sold as a premier brand, and we should not have been treated like this.

[Sewie]

The truth is that GM shipped the H3's with a defective head. All H3's made before 4/1/06 have heads that are defective. After that date, the H3 was built with new heads.

Mine was made in March 06. I bought it April 29 06.This means that mine was made, and was sold, with GM knowing that it has a head that has a fairly good chance of developing a problem. If I had known about the problem I would have delayed the purchase for a month. I am very upset with this.

I took the truck to Colorado in September, ran several 4x4 roads, a 3000 mile round trip. I am not sure I would do this again, and risk the problem developing a long way from home, and then have to deal with a week long repair a long way from home. This is a vehicle disabling problem.

To ad insult to injury, the 07 H3, which does not have a defective head, has a 100,000 mile warranty.

Everyone with a vehicle made before 4/1/06 should complain to Hummer, and GM. This was sold as a premier brand, and we should not have been treated like this.


Back the fawk up there sparky. Why don't you try reading through the rest of this thread, and the other threads about this issue before you chase down GM with torches and pitchforks. :twak:

My truck, as well as many of the H3's I wheel with were built in '05. To my knowledge, none of them have had the cylinder head problem. Hell, I've never even had a check engine light (probably just jinxed myself so FU in advance). If "all H3's" built over a period of almost a year had a defective cylinder head don't you think there'd be more people on here complaining about it. We'd probably also be seeing a recall. Did you get your notice? Didn't think so. :rolleyes:

[H3Eric]

My engine light just came on and the head needs to be replaced. To concur with the previous poster I bought my H3 when it just came out so probably made before te date mentioned in previous post. The dealer ship recognized the problem and is taking care of it without any issues. without making any advertisement here I love getting good service from a good dealership.

Thanks,
Eric

[H3Eric]

Just to be funny, it is the head of the H3 not mine

:jump:
Eric

[n5bxp]

So if there is no problem, why were H3's and Colorado Pickups made after 4/1/06 have newly designed heads. The head problem is more common than you seem to think.

I traded a 2005 4x4 Colorado for the H3. Go look at the Colorado web sites. The problem is common there also.

This should be a recall.

[HummBebe]

The truth is that GM shipped the H3's with a defective head.

According to who.....you?

All H3's made before 4/1/06 have heads that are defective. After that date, the H3 was built with new heads.

And that information was provided to you.....how?

Mine was made in March 06. I bought it April 29 06.This means that mine was made, and was sold, with GM knowing that it has a head that has a fairly good chance of developing a problem.

You can prove this?


If I had known about the problem I would have delayed the purchase for a month. I am very upset with this.

That's obvious.....emotional nellie:rolleyes:

I took the truck to Colorado in September, ran several 4x4 roads, a 3000 mile round trip. I am not sure I would do this again, and risk the problem developing a long way from home, and then have to deal with a week long repair a long way from home. This is a vehicle disabling problem.

Mine was built in April/May '05, I have 43K miles on it. No check engine light.

To ad insult to injury, the 07 H3, which does not have a defective head, has a 100,000 mile warranty.

Now you're just whining.

Everyone with a vehicle made before 4/1/06 should complain to Hummer, and GM. This was sold as a premier brand, and we should not have been treated like this.

Say what? "My H3 could potentially have a bad cylinder head"???

Eveyone who has been around the block once, knows the inherent risks of purchasing a "First Model Year" vehicle. GM has yet to leave me in the learch, thanks mostly in part to my Dealership. (HUMMER OF SACRAMENTO ROCKS :) )

[n5bxp]

GM Bulletin # 1845907. Dated 7/6/06. The vins with defective heads are less than 68287591. This is the last 8 digits of the vin.

[HummBebe]

GM Bulletin # 1845907. Dated 7/6/06. The vins with defective heads are less than 68287591. This is the last 8 digits of the vin.
Show me......

[Sewie]

So if there is no problem, why were H3's and Colorado Pickups made after 4/1/06 have newly designed heads. The head problem is more common than you seem to think.

I traded a 2005 4x4 Colorado for the H3. Go look at the Colorado web sites. The problem is common there also.

This should be a recall.

Where did anyone say there isn't a problem. I gave an example rebutting your stupid claim that all H3's built before April '06 have defective cylinder heads. Obviously there have been problems with some engines and GM has addressed the problem. So quit being such a drama queen. :rolleyes:

BTW, what qualifies you to determine when GM, or any automobile manufacturer, should issue a recall?

[Av1ator]

Call Customer Assistance at 1-866-HUMMER6 and open a case. Demand was probably the wrong word to use. But explain what problems you've had and what you have been through. Then ask them to upgrade your warranty. Obviously, there's no guarantee they'll give you anything. They may just offer GMPP or service vouchers, or just extend the warranty on the parts that have failed. And yes, some of us have been compensated in some way when we had major recurring problems.
I called Customer Assistance yesterday and today they gave me an 84 month 100,000 mile warrenty extension on the engine only. Seems fair, I did ask for the warrenty to be extended to the entire drivetrain but they weren't willing to go that far.

I got my H3 back today, after almost three weeks in the shop. The new head is performing perfectly so far.

Thanks for the suggestion, it certainly paid off for me!

[Sewie]

Thanks for the suggestion, it certainly paid off for me!

You're welcome and glad it worked out for ya. :)

[fourfourto]

:popcorn: I noticed originaly heads went bad with lower miles,now I see some have higher miles.
Im at 24,000 miles no problems.:D

Im curious though ,Has anyone with a bad head been using synthetic oil ?
It might take longer for problem to come up.
I have been using synthetic since the 2nd oil change.

[Steve - SanJose]

Yea, I've noticed higher mileage H3''s reporting the problem. But so far I've had no problems at 31,000 hard miles.

[Av1ator]

Im curious though ,Has anyone with a bad head been using synthetic oil ?
It might take longer for problem to come up.
I have been using synthetic since the 2nd oil change.

I have used synthetic oil since my second oil change. Just had the second head put on at 37,200 miles.

[H3Eric]

fourfourto, I have had synthetic oil since the first oil change around 5000 miles. I have now about 24000 miles and my car will go to the shop tomorrow for the first head replacement. my production date is approx. april/may 2005.

Eric

:popcorn: I noticed originaly heads went bad with lower miles,now I see some have higher miles.
Im at 24,000 miles no problems.:D

Im curious though ,Has anyone with a bad head been using synthetic oil ?
It might take longer for problem to come up.
I have been using synthetic since the 2nd oil change.

[GPan099]

I just returned from the dealership with some bad news.

My check engine light was on, engine was running rough, onstar reported a misfire problem, and the dealer diagnosed the codes which require a head replacement as per the service bulletin.

He ordered the parts, (head, gasket & 16 bolts?) and said the truck would probably be in the shop for a week for repair.

He gave it back to me and will call when the parts arrive. About 10,800 miles on mine w/ 2 oil changes @ 5000 & 10,500 w/ regular oil.

VIN # is below the number indicated on the post.

[Casey]

Add another to the replacement list. 36k miles. 11/05 build date.

Check engine light came on and codes indicated misfire on #4 cylinder. Dealer informed me I was getting excessive blowby on that cylinder. Waiting on a final resolution from the dealer but will likely be a head replacement.

[hmrlvr]

Sorry to bring back this long exhausting thread but... I'm having the same problem with my colorado. 5500 miles, it's been in the shop for 31 days with no end in sight. Anyway, most of you tore this poor guy a new one when all he wanted was a little advice. Except for f5, I saw knowone admit to being a little rough on the guy and possibly being wrong about him. I know you hate the trolls but geez at least admit when your wrong. Interesting that towards the end there were alot more owners with this problem. And now all of you who called him a troll have disappeared. As usual though F5 stepped up.
All right, let me have it!

[timgco]

Mine is going in with 15xxx miles. And from what I was told today, they are backordered.

[RMST]

Scheduled oil change at Lynch Hummer for last Friday. Check engine light came on Wednesday. Noticed that it was idling rough. Explained this to the service manager and saw a knowing look come over his face. Sure enough they told me it was the cylinder issue and that it could be up to two weeks to repair. Drove off the lot in a Black H3 from enterprise rental. I guess it's always a bummer to have your truck or car in the shop but Lynch has the best service department I've ever been to and they couldn't be more accomodating or supportive. I have complete faith that they will get the problem fixed and after driving the rental for a couple of days it has become very clear to me that my H3 was struggling. I forgot how smooth my truck once was.

Also, if you are in the area you should stop in at Lynch and check out the "Black Widow" edition H3 that they have on the showroom floor. It is unbelievable. I'll take pics when I go back for pick up.

[graydog]

Sorry to bring back this long exhausting thread but... I'm having the same problem with my colorado. 5500 miles, it's been in the shop for 31 days with no end in sight. Anyway, most of you tore this poor guy a new one when all he wanted was a little advice. Except for f5, I saw knowone admit to being a little rough on the guy and possibly being wrong about him. I know you hate the trolls but geez at least admit when your wrong. Interesting that towards the end there were alot more owners with this problem. And now all of you who called him a troll have disappeared. As usual though F5 stepped up.
All right, let me have it!
I agree 100%

[Desert Dan]

Getting Head!

My check engine light has come on and later gone off several times. Once in cold weather in low range and another going up steep hills in low range and recently in town but always went off. I was in De-Nile hoping it wasn't the dread head fix problem.

The 3rd time my check engine light came on, engine was idling rough, I called onstar from my driveway and they said it was an engine misfire,

I took it to the dealer on Monday and got a free Caddy loan for the day. The dealer said it needed a head replacement.


They ordered the head (2-3 week back log) and said I can dive the truck until the parts get in. The back log tells me this must be happening quite often

I said will a new head fix the problem and the service manager said yes.


I need to check into getting the warranty extended by GM Hummer.
I have 9500 miles on it also with w/ 2 oil changes.

[PackerFever]

I have been trying to avoid this thread for fear of jinxing my good luck. I just got back from a trip to Las Vegas for a convention, Grand Canyon, and through Moab, (sorry Neocon, I was with three other people and we were hiking, no off road this time) I was going well over 80 mph much of the time and now have of 30k on the ride....Everything is still good.

Has anyone asked if this is specific to Automatics vs 5 speeds? I have a 5 speed stick and feel everything is fine.

[lance-n]

i sure hope i dont have to drive 1,100 miles back to the dealer!!! cabo to san diego, although it would be a fun trip assuming i don't get stuck in some long stretch of desert highway with no cell service and just greedy bandidos waiting for an easy opportunity!
i have 14,250 miles on mine and about a week or so ago i started noticing a little bit of engine vibration when i stop. i have tried turning off the ac to see if it is just the extra pull on the engine at idle. it doesn't seem to matter whether ac is on or off. i have not had a check engine light come on - ever since i have had the h3. it doesn't seem to be getting worse, but it makes me nervous. i ordered a new fuel filter, as maybe it is full of crap from the sh*tty fuel we get here. mine was built in june of 2005 and i have done several oil changes.
are these the prelim symptoms that others have been experiencing? if so, i would like to prevent the problem before it is unfixable here locally.

F5 please let me know your wisdom!!!!! let me know what you recommend please.

:grouphug: <<<< prayer circle

[lance-n]

Just checked the last 8 digits of my vin against the one posted here: 68287591
My vin in about 140000 less than that number. :crying:

[HummBebe]

Hey lance....did you ever get my message?

[Desert Dan]

Does anybody know the total number of H3's with heads having to be replaced?

[lance-n]

no, i did not. i would ask you where i might find it, but thought that might produce a colorful response!

[HummBebe]

Check your PM's :giggling:

[HummBebe]

There is a group of us who want to run down to Cabo :)

[lance-n]

There is a group of us who want to run down to Cabo :)

That could be a great trip. :dancingbanana:
I sent you a pm on that topic.

Is F5FStop out sick today?
I could really use some words of encouragement about the engine vibrations i am experiencing.

[lance-n]

Here is a map of a 7 day trip from Ensenada to Cabo. Not sure on the mileage on this trail, but it has to be at least 1,300 miles. The red line is the 7 day trip map.

[HummBebe]

i sure hope i dont have to drive 1,100 miles back to the dealer!!! cabo to san diego, although it would be a fun trip assuming i don't get stuck in some long stretch of desert highway with no cell service and just greedy bandidos waiting for an easy opportunity!
i have 14,250 miles on mine and about a week or so ago i started noticing a little bit of engine vibration when i stop. i have tried turning off the ac to see if it is just the extra pull on the engine at idle. it doesn't seem to matter whether ac is on or off. i have not had a check engine light come on - ever since i have had the h3. it doesn't seem to be getting worse, but it makes me nervous. i ordered a new fuel filter, as maybe it is full of crap from the sh*tty fuel we get here. mine was built in june of 2005 and i have done several oil changes.
are these the prelim symptoms that others have been experiencing? if so, i would like to prevent the problem before it is unfixable here locally.

F5 please let me know your wisdom!!!!! let me know what you recommend please.

:grouphug: <<<< prayer circle

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[HummBebe]

That's a great map, we'll start a Cabo thread soon.

[Steve - SanJose]

I like Cabo and Todas Santos, but I fly there and get a cheapo stick shift rental car.

[lance-n]

budget has h3 and h2 rentals here now!!!!

:jump:

[Steve - SanJose]

budget has h3 and h2 rentals here now!!!!

:jump:

Now I will be much happier on my next visit!:D

Thanks for letting me know.

[usetosellhummer]

mine craped out traded on 07

[FJD]

Guess I need to be added to the list....................:mad:

Just got back from the dealer and need my head replaced as well. Don't have the VIN handy but I have an early year too so I guess my VIN falls into the early group. My experience is identical to everyone else, started running rough then the engine light came on. Called Onstar and they told me it was a misfire code and I needed to get it to the dealer. Brought it by today and he knew what to expect so he quickly put in on the computer to test and it came back bad head. Told me OK to drive it while they order the parts. Told me they've done about a dozen already and have 4 more in the hopper they are waiting to do. Said they've been pretty good getting the parts and usually have it done in a day and a half. I was keeping my fingers crossed mine was going to slip by.................:(

29,500 miles, auto, bought 11/05.

Time to call GM to see about them extending the warranty.....

[Desert Dan]

Does anybody know where the I-5 enigine is made?

I am still confused if it is the valve seat or valve guide that is defective which causes the loss in compression.

[Av1ator]

Does anybody know where the I-5 enigine is made?


Tonawonda, New York

[Dani]

Tonawonda, New York

Ah the good ole Tonawanda engine plant. My father in law works there. That could explain the defects:giggling:

[wpage]

What does a recall smell like?:grouphug:

[Steve - SanJose]

Don't know what recall smells like, but I did hear that word come out of the service writer's mouth recently when he mentioned the possibility. Interesting.

[Dani]

How many have had to have theirs replaced more than once? I'm noticing that my h3 doesn't idle properly yet again. I'm hoping it's not this issue once again.

I may just trade for an '07 or up to an h2

[usetosellhummer]

I didn't take a big hit trading up to 07. check into it when the big offers come out again.

[hmrlvr]

I know I'm speaking of a colorado but, Just got mine back 2 days ago after 40 days in the service dept. and a newly installed head. Now it's idling rough again. They put it on the computer and now a misfire in cylinder 3:confused: . Damn...

[Desert Dan]

hmrlvr and Dani

Sorry to hear that your check engine light has come on again and your engine is idleing rough AGAIN!

My new head came in but the dealer is waiting on the head gasket!

Maybe next week I can get the head fixed:)

Sorry guys but if the new head doesn't fix the problem for good, I'm done with GM

I am not going take a hit and pay more money to trade up to a 2007 model just because the 2006 head is having problems. How do we know the 2007 head has corrected the problem? And I am not going to get the head replaced every 10K miles.

If it is a recall I want a new 2007 H3 to replace the 2006 gratis from GM.

[hmrlvr]

hmrlvr and Dani



I am not going take a hit and pay more money to trade up to a 2007 model just because the 2006 head is having problems. How do we know the 2007 head has corrected the problem? And I am not going to get the head replaced every 10K miles.

If it is a recall I want a new 2007 H3 to replace the 2006 gratis from GM.

I understand completely. I am presently on hold with GM and have been for 48 minutes. No lie, 48 minutes. I'm not hanging up, I've got all day:popcorn:

[GPan099]

Called the dealer this afternoon. They've had my H3 since Monday doing the head replacement. They said they're waiting on a special order bolt & hopefully it will arrive Monday. They'll call me Monday to revise the status. The service manager mentioned that she had 7 H3s in the shop for the same cylinder head issue.

[Dani]

[quote=Desert Dan]hmrlvr and Dani

Sorry guys but if the new head doesn't fix the problem for good, I'm done with GM
[\quote]

This is actually the first GM product I've ever owned. Now that I think of it- it's the first American made vehicle I've owned. Only reason I'd buy another GM is the fact that despite all the issues I've had with my H3- I love it. It's fun to drive and I can't imagine being without it.



*how the hell did I mess the quote up?

[fourfourto]

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif Im not liking what im hearing on this thread
http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon2.gifI think it should be deleted.

WTF do I do if my head goes at 50,000.01 miles:crying:

[Desert Dan]

I like my H3 too. It's my first GM vehicle but not my first US made vehicle.

Today is the first I have heard of people having it (rough idle, check engine light, and engine misfire code) happen a second time and this worries me about the fix.

If it is a recall issue they should let us know ASAP and treat all H3 owners the same and offer an extended warranty and guarantee the head replacement.

Replacing a cylinder head isn't rocket science and it shouldn't take a week to complete the job. I don't want them to rush it but a week is too long. I also worry about non-head related complications after the head replacement like oil leaks, timing chain issues, camshaft etc.

I bought a new vehicle to avoid this kind of stuff and never thought I'd have a head replacement at this time!


More info here...
http://www.hummerforums.com/m_31906/tm.htm

[NEOCON1]

it sucks for you guys that have had this problem but it still seems like a 1 percent build issue . personaly if it happens to mine i would trade it in rather than take the chance of failing after warranty expires . i would raise some hell and let them know you expect a great deal on the new one and top trade-in dollar if you will stay with hummer . but first i would try to get them to put in a new 3.7 :p

[Steve - SanJose]

My dealer service writer implied that it's a greater than 1% issue by far and he used the dreaded recall word as a possibility. He was surprised that at 34,000 miles of hard daily driving that I had not brought my H3 yet for the problem. Sounds like there's a 30 day wait for entire head assembly that gets replaced these days.

If mine blows shortly after warranty expires, I would expect GM to cough up help, otherwise end of business as far as I'm concerned.

No, the solution for the head problem is not to buy a 2007 and suck up thousands of dollars in depreciation loss on the 2006.

I'll keep driving my H3 (almost) like I rented it.

[Av1ator]

If you haven't done it you should call Hummer Customer assistance ( 1-866-HUMMER6) and request the 100K warrenty on the engine. Sewie advised me to do and it was easy to do, two phone calls in two days and as advertised the extended warrenty paperwork came within a few weeks.

The customer service person bragged on and on about how GM was going to stand beside me and help me out. I did request the warrenty be extended to the entire powertrain but they were not willing to go that far.

This is the first American made new car I have owned since 1981 and am dissapointed with the problems. Lets face it, building cylinder heads is not exactly a new thing for GM.

I had a phone survey from GM a few weeks ago and I LET THEM HAVE IT about the cylinder head problems. I was told the comments went directly to GM. Maybe it will do some good.

[NEOCON1]

Lets face it, building cylinder heads is not exactly a new thing for GM.



X2

No $hit they have probably built close to a billion , so i hope they can get their crap together on this real soon :twak: nice you got the warranty without too much hassle . but i dont think you should of even had to call , they should be offering it right up front and extending the 60 months .

hope things work out for all of you with this happening :(

[westhillsat]

My vin is less than the evil vin number mentioned before :(

Anything happens to mine I wanna used H2

[Steve - SanJose]

What's the deal with the warranty extension? Is that only for those that had the head replaced already?

[Av1ator]

Just call them up and tell them you are aware of the engine problems and that they have given others the extended warrenty and you want them to stand beside you all the way and give you the extended warretnty too like they have done so many others. After all you don't want to be on your own when the check engine light comes on at 50,100 miles.

[Dani]

What's the deal with the warranty extension? Is that only for those that had the head replaced already?

When I called GM to ask about a warranty extension they said they don't do warranty extensions. I think I had a lame advisor to help me out. This is the second time my engine has had issues. Cant remember the exact mileage from the first time (it's in here somewhere I'm just too lazy to look) but this time around- I have around 28k on it.

[Steve - SanJose]

Just call them up and tell them you are aware of the engine problems and that they have given others the extended warrenty and you want them to stand beside you all the way and give you the extended warretnty too like they have done so many others. After all you don't want to be on your own when the check engine light comes on at 50,100 miles.

Sounds nice, but has this been done before successfully by an H3 owner that has not yet had head replaced?

Actually I'm pretty confident I could get them to cough up at 50,100+ miles if necessary. I've received post warranty coverage from Ford and Porsche in the past without a fight. But I'd like to see GM step up in a proactive way.

[westhillsat]

Had the check engine light on for a couple of days and it went into the local GMC dealer this morning to see what's wrong. Onstar was saying engine misfire.

At least I have alot of good info from the forum, we'll see what they say this afternoon :(

[HummBebe]

Had the check engine light on for a couple of days and it went into the local GMC dealer this morning to see what's wrong. Onstar was saying engine misfire.

At least I have alot of good info from the forum, we'll see what they say this afternoon :(

I've been wondering about that west, you mentioned it on the radio on Hells.

Well, new head for west eh?

[westhillsat]

I've been wondering about that west, you mentioned it on the radio on Hells.

Well, new head for west eh?

Not yet.... But if I were to place a bet.

I didn't ask about the codes, but he said there were two technical bulletins based on checking the codes. One was for checking the belts and seeing if something was bent. He said they took off the belts and didn't find any problem.

Of course the other bulletin was on the cylinder/head issue.

They cleared the codes and he wanted me to drive around for a few days and see if the light comes back on. He said if it does they'll start working on the cylinders.

He was like maybe it will be ok, oh maybe we'll see you next week......

He said I'd get a Buick as a loaner if I have to come back.

[Lawwyfe]

Hi, I am new here, did a search on head replacements here and would like to add my experiences here. I realize that the head replacement has been a huge issue in H3's produced within a certain vin range. I have now seen 2 07's have the head issue arise. I purchased my H3 exactly 1 year ago. 6,000 miles into ownership and while on a long trip - I encountered the head issue. Dealer had it for a week and replaced the head. I discovered while researching the issue that this was very widespread. I also discovered in reading other forums, that GM was issuing extended warranties.

I contacted GM and was told that I would be given a 7 yr/100,000 mile extended warranty on all engine and drivetrain components. After numerous phonecalls to GM, I received the letter 2 months later. The letter did not contain the promised coverage that GM had quoted me (was only on certain engine components.) To the phones again I went. Meanwhile while I am ironing this out with GM, I see numerous others on the forum are getting various perks added along with their extended warranties (years worth of oilchanges, another year of OnStar, a couple got bumper to bumper coverages, etc., etc.) I brought this to GM's attention and told them I wanted what everyone else was getting.

I was then told (almost 4 mos into this now) that I would be given for all my trouble a "GMPP" (basically bumper to bumper) warranty and that I would receive it in a couple weeks in the mail. 1 month later I still had not received it so again I called GM - was told "oh sorry, that person had no business telling you that we would give that warranty to you - and we will NOT!" Meanwhile they then tell me that my original component letter that I had was NO GOOD either and that I must return the letter to them! I of course refused to return it UNTIL they made good on their promises.

Long story shortened, we have battled this issue for now nearly 6 months and as of 2 weeks ago they promised me in writing this time via email a specific extended warranty coverage offer IF I would return my letter to my Service Manager - for which I did in good faith since I now had a written offer of resolve from GM. I would also add that I discussed the fact with my Service Manager my fears of relinguishing the letter and what all they had done to me in the previous 5 months. His response was, "Oh I would never let this happen to you - we are here for YOU!"

Today I get a call from GM informing me that they are not giving me anything and are closing my file as a "dissatisfied customer!" (Now that they have my original letter!) Of course I was very irate as well as in total shock that they would do this to me after making promises in writing. They offered me no excuses or reasons as to why they were renigging. Guess what my Service Manager's response was today after I called him? "Oh gee sorry and nothing I can do!"

I have seen numerous other H3 owners with the head replacement get extended warranties, so why would GM treat me in this manner? I am just in total disbelief that GM would lie over and over again and pull such a scam to get me to return my letter (which I was told was no good anyway) and then break promises - not once but on 3 separate occasions. As far as I am concerned this is total lack of regard for we customers who helped make this H3 the HUGE success that it became in purchasing it in it's 1st production year (something I have always refused to do in the past!) My family and I have been long time GM customers (cadillac) and as far as I am concerned, GM just lost all credibility with me!

[HummBebe]

You catch more flies with honey....Honey.

[Steve - SanJose]

uh huh

[evldave]

:iagree: I would suggest immediately selling your H3, all your other GM vehicles, and buying a Toyota (maybe a prius?). That way, you would not be subjected to such horrible business practices and might own a vehicle that is so reliable they run forever (lucky too, in the case of the prius since recycling them would ruin the environment). How long are the toyota warranties again??

And while you are at it, I'd also suggest sticking a big giant cow dong in your bunghole.

[HummBebe]

Oh and, I had no problems getting an extended warranty.....but then again I'm not married to a Lawyer......:fdance:

[NewHummerGuy]

"Today I get a call from GM informing me that they are not giving me anything and are closing my file as a "dissatisfied customer!" (Now that they have my original letter!) Of course I was very irate as well as in total shock that they would do this to me after making promises in writing. They offered me no excuses or reasons as to why they were renigging. Guess what my Service Manager's response was today after I called him? "Oh gee sorry and nothing I can do!" "


Sorry bro, but I gotta call BULLSHLT on this story. Simply because its your 1st post and its obviously trollish.

[Lawwyfe]

LOL I had been "forewarned" about your forum here and how many act...I must say what I heard was quite accurate. I merely came here to share an experience as a help to others, in case anyone else here had had any of the same problems. - Not to make little buddies and hang out ;) Nor did I plan to return after this post - so save your type, as an impression on me - it will not make LOL! And of course I KNOW that with the widespread head issue NO ONE here has ever suffered it, or needed any support LOL

Never once did I "dis" the (my) H3 nor mention Toyota or anyone else, nor act "trollish" in my post. As for the "honey...honey...I displayed nothing but courtesy in dealing with GM the last 6 months over this issue - until today that is! And dave...funny you make mention of bungholes, I had heard you took it that way! And as for being married to an attorney - now if I were married to an attorney, would I be here and other places posting this problem? I think not LOL.

[Desert Dan]

Go easy on the Lawwyfe. I've seen her on another forum. She has been given the run around big time.

Wait till you have to get your head replaced and have to demand extended coverage.

It took me awhile but I got my letter from Hummer extedning my warranty another 60 months or 75,000 miles with a zero deductibile from teh date and mileage of the repair. This is the Basic Guard Plan and covers the whole drive train (engine, trans, t-case, axles).

At first they offered 100K engine only but called back saying the couldn't offer it in CA, VT and NH. When they did that I demanded they show good faith in the head repair and later they did.... long story

[usetosellhummer]

We call em like we see em
TROLL:lame:

[usetosellhummer]

so you didn't make a copy of the letter? come on, you'll trade out of it before the warrenty is ot so just enjoy and buy a gmpp after the factory runs out.

[HummBebe]

Sorry Dan.....but:


LOL I had been "forewarned" about your forum here and how many act...I must say what I heard was quite accurate.

Really? and you were "forewarned" by whom?


I merely came here to share an experience as a help to others, in case anyone else here had had any of the same problems. - Not to make little buddies and hang out ;) Nor did I plan to return after this post

Sharing is caring? This comment is the definition of trolling.



- so save your type, as an impression on me - it will not make LOL! And of course I KNOW that with the widespread head issue NO ONE here has ever suffered it, or needed any support LOL

The head issue is not "widespread" check your facts before you really make an a$$ out of yourself.

As for the "honey...honey...I displayed nothing but courtesy in dealing with GM the last 6 months over this issue - until today that is!


6 months of your whining and I would slam the door in your face too.


And dave...funny you make mention of bungholes, I had heard you took it that way!

Now that's definitely a troll comment.


And as for being married to an attorney - now if I were married to an attorney, would I be here and other places posting this problem? I think not LOL.

Probably, it's an easy way to troll for case building material.....which is why these types of posts are attacked for the BULL$HIT that they are.

[usetosellhummer]

:beerchug: :violin:

[NewHummerGuy]

http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/02/Troll.jpg

[Desert Dan]

It seems that people are getting different stories on the head replacements and are getting different treatment by Hummer customer service.

GM should come forward about the head replacement and offer the same extended coverage to everybody that has the head issue. We shouldn't have to demand or ask for extended coverage due to the head issue. GM should be contacting us as soon as the repair has been made and offering the same deal to all of us H3 owners.

[jdrew]

you know guys, sometimes you need to ease up a bit.... :lame:

[HummBebe]

you know guys, sometimes you need to ease up a bit.... :lame:

Mr. Drew, you don't have enough history here to make that remark.

But thanks anyway.

[jdrew]

Oh.. since I don't sit infront of the pc all day makes my comments worthless?

Try going outside once and a while and being less of an e-thug.. http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/jerkit.gif

[HummBebe]

Oh.. since I don't sit infront of the pc all day makes my comments worthless?

Try going outside once and a while and being less of an e-thug.. http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/jerkit.gif



"Try going outside once in a while"....STFU, you don't know me. :fdance:

[jdrew]

Great response... You've been on this earth all these years and that was you could come up with?

You're a hostile little man.. Do you need a hug?

If you can't handle a little comment about not always being so damn judgemental, you need to get a little thicker skin. Life's short..

Lighten up Francis, it's the internet, not "real life".

[HummBebe]

You're a hostile little man.. Do you need a hug?




LMFAO!!!!!!!

:jump: :jump: :jump:

[Dani]

Had to take my H3 back to the dealership again today. Idling rough, serv 4wd light on, brake fluid light on, abs/normal brake lights on, no ac or blower controls. I haven't the slightest clue why I have all these issues at once. My service advisor literally laughed at me when I kept listing the lights/codes. This is crazy!

[jdrew]

LMFAO!!!!!!!

:jump: :jump: :jump:

See laughing is better than arguing...

But since I have respect for most fems, I will leave it alone... http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/angel.gif

[HummBebe]

You're a hostile little man.. Do you need a hug?



:fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance:

[LawTroll]

TROLL

[jdrew]

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39136&stc=1&d=1178083550:fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance: :fdance:



Got a makeover I see...

Much better!

[The Riddler]

"Try going outside once in a while"....STFU, you don't know me. :fdance:



You're mean!!

[HummBebe]

Not to you :giggling:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Picked up my TRUCK from service and the "CASHIER", a sweet young thing asked me if I had to replace my Head YET !!!

WOW - from her asking i'm guessing (not ASS-U-MING) they have done a lot...

[MALADJUSTED]

Really? and you were "forewarned" by whom?






Mr. Clean?

[Dani]

I got a call from the service department- I need a new fuse box and a control head. My H3 was supposed to be ready today but now I'm being told that the service dept is having difficulty getting me parts. Has anyone else had to replace the fuse box and the control head?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I got a call from the service department- I need a new fuse box and a control head. My H3 was supposed to be ready today but now I'm being told that the service dept is having difficulty getting me parts. Has anyone else had to replace the fuse box and the control head?

Not yet but they did replace my #3 Fuel injector today. Just the #3, not all 5.......Guess the rest will go 1 by 1

[Dani]

I called Hummer Corporate today to discuss the multiple issues I've had with my H3. The rep I was talking to said that he couldn't believe all the problems I've had so far. I explained to him that I'm a little concerned about how the vehicle is gonna run after the factory warranty runs out. He basically said that there's nothing he can do for me but if I'm interested in an extended warranty I could contact GM Protection Plus.
He said he was making a service file for my complaints and needed more info. When I started answering his questions and listing the problems I've been having he said he was escilating the complaint to a case manager who would be contacting me within a few days. The rep also said that he's pretty sure that the case manager would be able to offer me something to compensate me for my troubles.
I'm a little annoyed right now as on Wed. of last week I took my H3 in as I had multiple issues at the once that needed fixed asap. On Thursday morning I called the dealership to see what they found wrong with it. They explained what they found and said that they'd ordered parts that should be in later that day (thursday). 6pm friday comes along and I finally hear from the service dept. Parts didn't come in- but they'll definitely be in on Monday and I'll have my H3 back Monday afternoon. Well guess what- it's Monday afternoon and the parts still did not come in and I"m still missing my H3. (Yes I do have an H3 rental car but come on- my H3 is like my 3rd child....I miss it) Hopefully my H3 will be ready tomorrow. If not- I'm gonna be beyond pissed....what kind of "authorized dealer" can't get parts? This is ridiculous! My hubby's ready to trade the H3 back in for another Element.

[Steve - SanJose]

Picked up my TRUCK from service and the "CASHIER", a sweet young thing asked me if I had to replace my Head YET !!!

WOW - from her asking i'm guessing (not ASS-U-MING) they have done a lot...

Same situation at my dealer, they have done a lot. Everytime I stop in, they mention the head problem without me even bringing it up.

Personally I'd like to find a letter in my mailbox from GM with extended warranty coverage on my early H3. Ford did this for me before any problems came up on my 96 Mustang GT convert.

[NEOCON1]

Personally I'd like to find a letter in my mailbox from GM with extended warranty coverage on my early H3. Ford did this for me before any problems came up on my 96 Mustang GT convert.


:iagree: that would be great

[westhillsat]

I've been wondering about that west, you mentioned it on the radio on Hells.

Well, new head for west eh?

Yes, now a new head for west time.

The infamous cylinder number 1, parts on order, no parts. :(

The second time in they cleaned the fuel injectors, actually got
a couple miles per gallon more on the highway.

No loss in mpg so that's good.

[NEOCON1]

thats a bummer west :crying: :crying:


hang in there man , hummer will take care of you ;)

[Steve - SanJose]

Bummer, but at least you're getting it fixed right. Hopefully they give you a good loaner.

[westhillsat]

Bummer, but at least you're getting it fixed right. Hopefully they give you a good loaner.

Yes, it will get fixed whenever parts become available and they can get them. Probably a Buick as a loaner as this is a GMC/Buick/Subaru dealer, my Hummer dealer is 3 1/2 hours away - one way.

They're letting the GMC dealer work on it, since the I5 is also in the Colorado and Canyon.

[NEOCON1]

hope you dont get the subaru ;) :p :giggling:

[SR1355]

I called Hummer Corporate today to discuss the multiple issues I've had with my H3. The rep I was talking to said that he couldn't believe all the problems I've had so far. I explained to him that I'm a little concerned about how the vehicle is gonna run after the factory warranty runs out. He basically said that there's nothing he can do for me but if I'm interested in an extended warranty I could contact GM Protection Plus.
He said he was making a service file for my complaints and needed more info. When I started answering his questions and listing the problems I've been having he said he was escilating the complaint to a case manager who would be contacting me within a few days. The rep also said that he's pretty sure that the case manager would be able to offer me something to compensate me for my troubles.
I'm a little annoyed right now as on Wed. of last week I took my H3 in as I had multiple issues at the once that needed fixed asap. On Thursday morning I called the dealership to see what they found wrong with it. They explained what they found and said that they'd ordered parts that should be in later that day (thursday). 6pm friday comes along and I finally hear from the service dept. Parts didn't come in- but they'll definitely be in on Monday and I'll have my H3 back Monday afternoon. Well guess what- it's Monday afternoon and the parts still did not come in and I"m still missing my H3. (Yes I do have an H3 rental car but come on- my H3 is like my 3rd child....I miss it) Hopefully my H3 will be ready tomorrow. If not- I'm gonna be beyond pissed....what kind of "authorized dealer" can't get parts? This is ridiculous! My hubby's ready to trade the H3 back in for another Element.

Any update on your problems Dani?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

W O W !!!

a 5 month thread.....................

[Steve - SanJose]

more to come ...

[HummBebe]

easy now cowboy......:dancingbanana:

[Dani]

Any update on your problems Dani?

Not much really. The GM/Hummer case manager I spoke to said that she'd call me back on Tuesday between 2 and 4pm and what a surprise. NO phone call. She was supposed to call me back because of all the issues I've had with my H3.....her answer to the problem was to issue me an extended warranty but she said she'd have to look into it first.

It's just depressing. I love my H3 and it took a hell of a lot for me to finally be able to get it. It's the first and probably last American made vehicle I will buy. I hate to sound so negative but after being in the service department every month and usually multiple times a month- I'm very reluctant to ever purchase another American made vehicle.

[westhillsat]

hope you dont get the subaru ;) :p :giggling:


Yeah, last time he said it would be a Buick, probably cause of the GM thing. :)

They had a used H3 on the lot, I told him if that H3 was past the vin # range take out that engine and put it in my truck :D

[Dani]

Finally! The GM/Hummer case manager just called me back. They are going to give me a component coverage letter extending my warranty to 84 mos/100k miles for the engine, transmission and hvac.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Finally! The GM/Hummer case manager just called me back. They are going to give me a component coverage letter extending my warranty to 84 mos/100k miles for the engine, transmission and hvac.

All right! :excited:

[Dani]

Here comes head job #3. Engine runing rough, engine light on yet again, engine overheated.....back to the dealer I go

[Desert Dan]

That really sucks
Let us know if it is Head #3
Did you check the radiator fluid level? Maybe they didn't fill it up all the way after the other work?

I just had my head replaced and was hoping that was the last of it.

[Steve - SanJose]

No fun at all. I was at the dealer service today. They said they've done about 35 heads, which considering the volume of sales through this Silicon Valley dealership, is still a small percentage.

I'd still like to see GM/Hummer step up and send early 2006 H3 owners a letter extending the warranty regardless.

[Dani]

That really sucks
Let us know if it is Head #3
Did you check the radiator fluid level? Maybe they didn't fill it up all the way after the other work?

I just had my head replaced and was hoping that was the last of it.

It's official- head #3. My service advisor just called to let me know. Totally ridiculous. How the hell does this happen? I'm not a rough driver or anything like that. At least I have an Hummer for a rental car. I've barely had my H3 back for 2 weeks (needed a new fuse box/panel and control head) and it's back in service again. Had to have it towed this time though.

[fourfourto]

No fun at all. I was at the dealer service today. They said they've done about 35 heads, which considering the volume of sales through this Silicon Valley dealership, is still a small percentage.

I'd still like to see GM/Hummer step up and send early 2006 H3 owners a letter extending the warranty regardless.


:iagree: Ill be very mad if my head goes at 50,000.01 .

The dealer said it would be a $3,000 job :eek:

[Dani]

No fun at all. I was at the dealer service today. They said they've done about 35 heads, which considering the volume of sales through this Silicon Valley dealership, is still a small percentage.

I'd still like to see GM/Hummer step up and send early 2006 H3 owners a letter extending the warranty regardless.

GM/Hummer extended my warranty to 84 mos/100k. Yesterday I was completely satisfied. Today is another story. Even with the warranty extended I don't feel comfortable driving my H3. Hell- I only went a mile from my home and back this afternoon when the engine issue happened. This particular H3 has definitely been unreliable. So many issues in so little time.

On another note- I spoke to my salesman and told him that I'm not happy. He said he can't believe how many times I've had my H3 in for service (he looked up the records). Some stuff- I expected to go wrong and it didn't bother me because it's not all been major stuff. But come on- 2 completed engine rebuilds and a 3rd on the way. Totally unacceptable. SO basically I asked him what he can do for me. He's getting me some pricing info on a new H3/trade in info/etc... Gonna meet with him next week and get rid of my POS.

[phantom2]

Just my opinion here but if my vehicle was as bad as yours is,they couldn't give me another one..get something else.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

If they don't give you a something good on a trade-in, are you covered by the lemon law? That's your 3rd head problem right?

[Dani]

Just my opinion here but if my vehicle was as bad as yours is,they couldn't give me another one..get something else.

That's what my hubby says. But my H3 is like another child to me. I love it and hate to get rid of it. But don't get me wrong- if the dealer can't come up with a good deal for me- I'm going back to Honda.

[Dani]

If they don't give you a something good on a trade-in, are you covered by the lemon law? That's your 3rd head problem right?

I asked about the Lemon Law as well. I was told (I consulted a lawyer) that it in order for it to qualify- the head would've had to have been replaced 3 times in the same calendar year. I purchased my H3 on 4/17/06 so all the problems would've had to have been fixed by 4/17/07 in order to qualify. Pretty stupid if you ask me. I purchased a new car so I wouldn't be in the shop every damn week....guess that was pretty useless.

[marin8703]

I am not totally clear on the lemon laws but i have looked into them a little a while back. In illinois if you vehicle is in for the same repair 3 times you qualify, i dont think the time limit is 1 year. also if it spends more than 30 days in service it qualifies. Another one is if you can proove that you have lost confidence in your vehicle's reliabilty. Just having the history of repairs is enough proof that you vehicle can break down at any time, on vacation on the highway whatever. Also, doesnt the head problem lower you gas milage, if it does that can be grounds for compensation of some sort.

If i was you I would look into the lemon laws a little more with a better lawyer if nesesary.

good luck.

[Dani]

I am not totally clear on the lemon laws but i have looked into them a little a while back. In illinois if you vehicle is in for the same repair 3 times you qualify, i dont think the time limit is 1 year. also if it spends more than 30 days in service it qualifies. Another one is if you can proove that you have lost confidence in your vehicle's reliabilty. Just having the history of repairs is enough proof that you vehicle can break down at any time, on vacation on the highway whatever. Also, doesnt the head problem lower you gas milage, if it does that can be grounds for compensation of some sort.

If i was you I would look into the lemon laws a little more with a better lawyer if nesesary.

good luck.

Ohio Lemon law is 12 mos or 18k miles. Whichever comes first. Unfortunately I've exceeded both. I have talked to an attorney and he's gonna see what he can do for us.

[westhillsat]

Yes, now a new head for west time.

The infamous cylinder number 1, parts on order, no parts. :(

The second time in they cleaned the fuel injectors, actually got
a couple miles per gallon more on the highway.

No loss in mpg so that's good.


Parts are in, so the surgery starts on Wednesday.

I've been getting better mpg with the problem...

[Dani]

Parts are in, so the surgery starts on Wednesday.

I've been getting better mpg with the problem...

Good luck!

I've been dealing w/corporate again. My dealership has recommended that GM buy back my H3 and allow me to re-purchase another. Hopefully my case manager and corporate feel the same way. I should know tomorrow (if the CM calls me back on time this time).

[HummBebe]

Parts are in, so the surgery starts on Wednesday.

I've been getting better mpg with the problem...

You had to wait 2 weeks for parts? WTH???

[Dani]

You had to wait 2 weeks for parts? WTH???

I think I'm gonna be waiting 2 weeks for parts too lol. Service has had my H3 since 5/18.

[Dani]

Just a quick updte on my H3- I called the service dept as I hadn't heard from them in 5 days. They had to replace the head again and now there's something wrong with the timing. I miss my H3:crying:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Just a quick updte on my H3- I called the service dept as I hadn't heard from them in 5 days. They had to replace the head again and now there's something wrong with the timing. I miss my H3:crying:

Look at it this was "its kinda like getting an Internal Exam, your happy when its over"

[westhillsat]

You had to wait 2 weeks for parts? WTH???

Yep, the way the service advisor was talking - I'm surprised they came this fast.

Called Hummer this afternoon and told them I wanted the 84 month/100,000k warranty, she is researching and will call me
Thursday night.

She could see in the system that I had the other H3 before, hopefully that may work in my favor that I have had two now. She was like which one do you have now? :giggling:

My backup plan if they give me flack is that the manager that I dealt with on both sales said that the guy that bought my base model traded it in and another guy wants to buy it, but wants to contact me about when I had it. If they give me flack, I'll tell Hummer I'll give them a bad rep to the guy that wants to buy my old one, plus there is a lady that is talking to me about a new one she wants to buy - I'll say I will cost you two sales immediately gimme my extension!!!

p.s. I got a Buick Lucerne as a loaner, can I even go through a mud puddle with that?

[Dani]

My GM case manager called me at 7:30 tonight to inform me that so far- my car doesn't qualify for a GM buy-back. Now why the hell not is beyond me. I've had the head replaced not once, not twice but three times. I've asked yet again for them to do a buy-back so I can get another H3 that hopefully won't be in the shop like mine has. Mine's been in service for at least 60 days in the whole year I've had it.
If GM doesn't do a buy-back I'm afraid I'm gonna give up on the H3 and go for something else. I refuse to support a company that won't stand behind their product. I don't mean to complain or sound negative- but I gotta admit- this was my first American made car and I've had nothing but trouble with it. Probably will be my last...

[westhillsat]

Talked with the lady this evening, she said she is going to process the letter on the engine components. She said it should be approved on Monday. She read what it all covered and it sounded good to me.

84 months/100,000 miles, now will just have to wait for the letter and hope it comes.

Saw the poor beast this afternoon, where's my engine :confused: just a big empty space where my engine used to be. A bolt broke while they were starting to put it back together and now they have to order that, they thought it might be in Monday...

I told them take your time, put it back together easy.

[Steve - SanJose]

Westhillsat - did you get a better loaner vehicle, instead of the Buick?

[westhillsat]

Nope, just the Buick Lucerne, oh well better than nothing.

[NEOCON1]

glad to hear its movin along ;)

[westhillsat]

Truck went in May 30th, still there at the GMC dealer.
They had to do something with the timing as it got off
as they were reassembling the engine.
Maybe I'll get before the weekend, not sure.
The extended warranty letter came in the mail today:beerchug:

Maybe I'll go over to the Buick forum as that's my loaner car. :giggling:

[westhillsat]

Service Advisor called me at 5:05pm and said the truck was ready.

So far, it is driving as good as before the problem :)

[Dani]

Just got off the phone with my GM case manager. She told me that the area rep was at my dealership on Friday and while he was there- he reviewed my case. GM has agreed to buy back my H3. Funny part is that my case manager didn't have the slightest clue how this works....she said it's between me and the dealership.

Does anyone have any idea how the buy-back works?

[ChiHummer3]

Just got off the phone with my GM case manager. She told me that the area rep was at my dealership on Friday and while he was there- he reviewed my case. GM has agreed to buy back my H3. Funny part is that my case manager didn't have the slightest clue how this works....she said it's between me and the dealership.

Does anyone have any idea how the buy-back works?

No clue how the buy back works....but that's good news that they're taking it off your hands. You've certainly had enough problems with it. Now go get a new one and post some pics! :D

[NEOCON1]

Service Advisor called me at 5:05pm and said the truck was ready.

So far, it is driving as good as before the problem :)

good news :jump:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Excellent, you deserve it after all you've been through!

[westhillsat]

Excellent, you deserve it after all you've been through!

X2, Glad things are looking up for you Dani :beerchug:

[Steve - SanJose]

X2, Glad things are looking up for you Dani :beerchug:

Good news for Dani, sad story for GM's reputation.

[Dani]

Apparently I get to choose another H3 similar to mine or if I wanna upgrade I pay the difference between the two.

Hell- I feel like a kid in a candy store....can't wait to pick out my new H3!

[CrisB]

You go Dani! Good job, good follow through...call me when you want to go wheelin'!!!!
:perfect10s: :perfect10s: :perfect10s: :perfect10s: :perfect10s:

[Dani]

Picked out my new H3 yesterday morning. Choose a black LUX pkg., sunroof, chrome appearance, xm radio, chrome side assist steps, towing package, chrome fuel door and I can't remember what else...
According to the dealership- the buyback should be complete by the end of next week. :D

I gotta say it was a tough decision. I really liked the midnight blue metallic but I love the black. I probably should've changed colors as I already have the black one but I couldn't resist...

[Steve - SanJose]

Dani - Nice, fresh start with a new 07 H3.

[HummBebe]

Congrats Dani....but wait, no Adventure package?

[Dani]

no adventure package. I tried but the dealership didn't have any in stock already packaged with the LUX pkg. and I didn't wanna wait for one to come in from ordering. Normally I'd have waited but I honestly can't see my current H3 lasting much more than a week. It's running extremely rough again and there's a growling noise when you step on the gas....and that's just 2 of the issues it's currently having. I hope my next one isn't anything like my current one.

[Dani]

Just another update-
just got off the phone with GM's re-purchase department. Seems I'm not going to be buying a new H3 afterall. I was told that GM had agreed to re-purhase my piece of **** as a straight buy back and GM says that they said that they told the dealership it would be a TRADE re-purchase. Now- I wouldn't have a problem with this as I've already picked out the new H3 that I wanted from the dealer. However I'm being told by the repurchase dept. that I only will receive in credit the amount that I still currently owe on my current H3. IE: If I owe $20k then I only get $20k towards a new H3. Bull**** if you ask me. I paid over $37k for my 3 and am getting no where remotely close to that figure. PLUS they expect me to pay them 10 cents per mile for 18k miles. My 3 currently has 32k miles on it. GM figures that it ran good for 18k miles so that's the mileage they're using to figure out how much I should pay them for "using" the vehicle.

How is this even considered fair? I've barely had the damn thing for a year. I expressed my concerns to GM and they said that if I want a straight re-purchase- they're gonna charge me 30 cents per mile for the full 32k miles that's on the vehicle. This is bull****

[ChiHummer3]

Just another update-
just got off the phone with GM's re-purchase department. Seems I'm not going to be buying a new H3 afterall. I was told that GM had agreed to re-purhase my piece of **** as a straight buy back and GM says that they said that they told the dealership it would be a TRADE re-purchase. Now- I wouldn't have a problem with this as I've already picked out the new H3 that I wanted from the dealer. However I'm being told by the repurchase dept. that I only will receive in credit the amount that I still currently owe on my current H3. IE: If I owe $20k then I only get $20k towards a new H3. Bull**** if you ask me. I paid over $37k for my 3 and am getting no where remotely close to that figure. PLUS they expect me to pay them 10 cents per mile for 18k miles. My 3 currently has 32k miles on it. GM figures that it ran good for 18k miles so that's the mileage they're using to figure out how much I should pay them for "using" the vehicle.

How is this even considered fair? I've barely had the damn thing for a year. I expressed my concerns to GM and they said that if I want a straight re-purchase- they're gonna charge me 30 cents per mile for the full 32k miles that's on the vehicle. This is bull****

Wow! That sucks! I'd biotch and whine to anyone at Hummer who will listen. Don't back down!!!
Good luck!

[Dani]

GM doesn't seem to wanna budge on their end. I figure I'll just take them to court and see where it goes from there. In the meantime- I'm trying to pick out a different vehicle. I hate car shopping.

[Steve - SanJose]

wtf? This is terrible. And GM has a repurchase department? What difference should your loan balance make, other than to see that the lien is cleared to they can take ownership. What happens to the saps that don't have a loan balance, like me?