COLD AIR INDUCTION (again) HELP F5

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

A while back there was several discussions about cold air induction. Was the 14 to 15 HP gain worth the price etc ?

Then we discovered that the air intake is not drawn from the hot air in the engine compartment BUT from an area in the front right wheel well...

SO

has anyone discovered where that air is drawn from? In other words what is the acutal path of air into the I-5 engine?

Hate to spend $200 to $400 for cold air induction and later discover the air was already cold to begin with.

Money is better in my pocket instead of theirs...

(f5 you were looking into this if I remember)

RYD

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

A while back there was several discussions about cold air induction. Was the 14 to 15 HP gain worth the price etc ?

Then we discovered that the air intake is not drawn from the hot air in the engine compartment BUT from an area in the front right wheel well...

SO

has anyone discovered where that air is drawn from? In other words what is the acutal path of air into the I-5 engine?

Hate to spend $200 to $400 for cold air induction and later discover the air was already cold to begin with.

Money is better in my pocket instead of theirs...

(f5 you were looking into this if I remember)

RYD

[SDH3]

Take the lid off your stock filter box, it's held in place by three clamps. This will show you what your looking for.

[Killer]

Just my two cents but I would leave the factory box as is. I recently removed my K&N kit...made too much noise and any gain in power was not noticeable in my opinion. It may be my imagination but I think it runs better with the factory air intake system back on.

[fourfourto]

I just installed the K&N air filter.

[wannabeH3]

I have an extra k&n air filter unused. 40 $ paypal me

i took the lid off my airbox noticed more snap but i have tested milage over thousands of miles and have found that i get slightly better with the top on the airbox but lose the cool sound.. its a tradeoff

[Viet Nam Vette]

I have used the K&N Hi Techy Schmecy Oil-Em-Up filters on my 86 Supercharge Vette and also use one on my 73 460 Thunderchicken. I have one on my 65 502 BB now ..which I am Thinking about removing.

Why You ask Pray Tell... Well some one did a pice on a Vette forum I belong to that made me think about this whole deal. Now this guys and Automotive engineer. So..I listened..

Here's the Short version..

Thses K&N type filters do flow more air then a stock Paper filter when new.

The deal here is.. they are oiled up with this pretty pink gack oil all over the filter gause.

As time goes by.. the airborne Sch-Meg-Ma.. or Head Cheese in the intake air stickes to the gause and builds up.

Now it's six months latter.. Does this Wiz Bang Oiley wash me in the sink filter now flow as much air as the papper filter.??

I don't know Bunky... According to the post ..Na-Da..

I think the General would be all over this one too just like the Vegie Cutter in the intake if it was really that good.

Knowing that very few of us polish our crankshafts and do maint when the time comes ..I guess the General figures that the Papper Job is the best all around filter for your H3 or What ever you drive.

Me........I'm going back to the News papper in the Round.....

[f5fstop]

Experiences with Vettes and cold air intakes, did nothing on a dyno. In addition, K&N replacement filters did nothing. The Vortex ram air systems did increase HP, not on a dyno, but you could feel the difference when driving.
The claims from most of these companies has never been really proved; at least not to me and a dozen other guys who have tried them and dyno'ed at the same time.

I can tell you this, if you over oil those type of filters, you will start popping some codes as the MAF sensor gums up and the wire gives an incorrect reading that does not jive with the other engine sensors. GM will not cover this under warranty, and I agree, why should they.

Paper filters do a lot better job of cleaning the intake air, so adding a foam oil filter may make your oil life indicator incorrect. The system has to assume the air intake is sealed with a specified paper type filter. (Foam filters do filter water better.)

People will install these, drive the vehicle and say, "wow" I have more HP. However, I have never, in person, seen this proved on a running dyno; at least on a Vette.

As Viet Nam Vette states, if the General could get better fuel mileage and more HP using this type of filter, you can bet it would be installed, so long as it passed emissions and noise requirements.

The air intake is inside the fender well, so the air entering is not warmed by the engine compartment.

[shipbldr]

One other comment about running the oil/foam filters...

The amounts of silica found when the engine oil is analyized ALWAYS skyrocket after you install an oil/foam filter.

Silica = sand...

[Viet Nam Vette]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes you will... I always defult to the Engineers and Designers and the folks that take our GM Products out and run them around in the real world ( Hot & Cold.. Snow & Ice.. Dust & Heat).. Sure ..there are times when a problem shows up down the road and is corrected in a later model year ..but on the whole these Vehicals are pretty well tested and proved before production.

As I have aged ..I place less faith in after market claims no matter how many Graphs and charts they show me.

My Motto....Never try and Re-Engineer what and Engineer with a Degree has Engineered. Unless you have the resources of a Manufacure the size of the General. You might improve on the minor items ..but when it comes to The Power Plant there are just too many things going on Electroniclly and Mechanically.

That's just my $.02 Worth

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

WOW !!!

Thanks f5... You at least answered my question.

Others seem to have gone off on a vector not related to the original question.

So it appears that colder air from the fender well is entering the air cleaner/intake system and a cold air system is unnecessary as the air is not heated from the engine compartent.

Well thats $200 to $400 staying in my pocket.

Thank you

RYD

[shipbldr]

He doesn't realize that is all about the PAD...


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[Steve - SanJose]

H3 aftermarket intake systems are mainly about generating high margin revenue for the companies pushing them.

I'm amazed that H3 owners that actually use their H3's in harsh dusty offroad conditions are willing to compromise the stock air filtration setup.

Yes I know the increased intake noise does give the impression of more power but that's about it.

S.

[Surferjo]

Has anybody upgraded their exhaust yet?

[AfroCreame]

Just installed the K&N kit...drove 5 miles...it will be removed. No noticable increase in power and if there actually is, the annoying increased sound of 5 cylinders is even more pronounced..lol. Just put a kazoo in your intake, imagine 16+ HP and you'll have your own K&N Filtercharger.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

SO LIKE I SAID...

The H3 comes with COLD AIR INDUCTION already.

RYD

[Flaunt]

I actually have the volant on my CTS. Several of us CTS owners actually do have dyno results to prove the HP gains. So I will definatly be installing the volant to my H3. I will run a dyno just to prove it increases horsepower. I will run a baseline run without it, then with it on the same day, same dyno and same weather conditions.
Anybody want to bet me the cost of the dyno runs and my time?

[Steve - SanJose]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Flaunt:
I actually have the volant on my CTS. Several of us CTS owners actually do have dyno results to prove the HP gains. So I will definatly be installing the volant to my H3. I will run a dyno just to prove it increases horsepower. I will run a baseline run without it, then with it on the same day, same dyno and same weather conditions.
Anybody want to bet me the cost of the dyno runs and my time? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No takers. And you could win this bet by getting some sucker to go for it. Because there might be some small measurable difference on the dyno. But real world difference in performance would not be worth the time, trouble or compromised air cleaner function.

S.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

SO !

As I said earlier THIS POST is about COLD AIR INDUCTION & the HUMMER H-3, [politely ](NOT ABOUT CTS's or VETTES or Thunderchickens or CC whatever that is or even the GREATEST AUTO HE EVER CREATED THE ORIGINAL AC COBRA)

AND

As I read all this the H-3 COMES WITH....

COLD AIR INDUCTION!!!!!

SO

Why spend the extra bucks???

AND

Before you answer we are talking about the H-3..

RYD