Dealership test track

[PARAGON]

I had to meet Spencer (name on here) about 1.5hrs east of me to sell him my tires and wheels. I decided to use one of the farm pickups and had my dad meet me at the local dealership so I could get the H2 serviced, and some minor things fixed. Anyway, the dealer has 99% completed their new Hummer building and have also completed the off road course test track.

Before I let them take the truck away for service I decided I wanted to be one of the firsts to try out the track. It's short but pretty fun. You get to go to the maximum entry and departure angles, maximum camber/side slope, climb a good grade and go over an 18 inch wall or whatever it is supposed to be. Well, I went through but forgot to take off the trailer hitch, so I dragged it across the concrete a couple of times. But I also scraped the fairlead and part of the front Warn winch bumper. My truck has 37's on it and the new Warn Winch bumper still hit at the max entry angle when the new stock rigs with 35's don't hit.

When I go back and pick the truck up I am going to do it again (sans trailer hitch) and film it and take some pics.

Who else's dealers have their off road tracks in now?

[PARAGON]

I had to meet Spencer (name on here) about 1.5hrs east of me to sell him my tires and wheels. I decided to use one of the farm pickups and had my dad meet me at the local dealership so I could get the H2 serviced, and some minor things fixed. Anyway, the dealer has 99% completed their new Hummer building and have also completed the off road course test track.

Before I let them take the truck away for service I decided I wanted to be one of the firsts to try out the track. It's short but pretty fun. You get to go to the maximum entry and departure angles, maximum camber/side slope, climb a good grade and go over an 18 inch wall or whatever it is supposed to be. Well, I went through but forgot to take off the trailer hitch, so I dragged it across the concrete a couple of times. But I also scraped the fairlead and part of the front Warn winch bumper. My truck has 37's on it and the new Warn Winch bumper still hit at the max entry angle when the new stock rigs with 35's don't hit.

When I go back and pick the truck up I am going to do it again (sans trailer hitch) and film it and take some pics.

Who else's dealers have their off road tracks in now?

[PARAGON]

I had to meet Spencer (name on here) about 1.5hrs east of me to sell him my tires and wheels. I decided to use one of the farm pickups and had my dad meet me at the local dealership so I could get the H2 serviced, and some minor things fixed. Anyway, the dealer has 99% completed their new Hummer building and have also completed the off road course test track.

Before I let them take the truck away for service I decided I wanted to be one of the firsts to try out the track. It's short but pretty fun. You get to go to the maximum entry and departure angles, maximum camber/side slope, climb a good grade and go over an 18 inch wall or whatever it is supposed to be. Well, I went through but forgot to take off the trailer hitch, so I dragged it across the concrete a couple of times. But I also scraped the fairlead and part of the front Warn winch bumper. My truck has 37's on it and the new Warn Winch bumper still hit at the max entry angle when the new stock rigs with 35's don't hit.

When I go back and pick the truck up I am going to do it again (sans trailer hitch) and film it and take some pics.

Who else's dealers have their off road tracks in now?

[RasterMaster]

Looks like OKC will have theirs finished about March.

[unaslob]

My dealer has finished theirs, they do runs every other month and plan on every month when the h3's come in. it is supposed to be alot of fun. good review of recovery technique, and get an idea of the 'pucker factor' i want to head down and check it out next time it is open.

unaslob

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

If You are traveling on I-30 from Little Rock to Dallas, Landers of Arkansas in Benton has their track up and are finishing up a seperate building to sell and service thier Hummer customers. Do not mean to sound elitest but they seem to have the philosophy that the Hummer owners are a little cut above other customers and other brands. Their shop is not open yet at new building but instead of letting Me drive over to the other building and wait where they still work on H2's with all the other vehicle, the Hummer service man has me drive up to the new building and pull into service receiving and in the rain came up there to pick up my rig. I sat in waiting room with a huge plasma screen and donuts coke coffee and every 5 minutes someone walking by asking if I needed anything. I was sort of weirded out a little as i have never been treated like that in a dealer. I'm going in sometime Wed. morning on the dead batt issue, after Doc appoinment but could not tell them when exactly i could get there and Manager said do not worry just come when Your ready and we'll get You in. Is there other Hummer dealers who treat customers this way or is this just a blessing to have this kind of service?
Thanks
Rick

[Yetti]

I just talked to a salesman(Abe) from Gordon Caddilac Hummer in Ann Arbor. he told me the new Cad/Hummer dealership is to be built on Jackson road west of town, and will include a test track. so I am waiting to see it get under way. the whole project is supposed to be done by Dec. `05.

[PARAGON]

I think Hummer is making all of the dealers up their service. As a matter of fact I went to the old building first today and then drove my service girl over to the new building to get it written up.

Hummer wants the customer to come to the Hummer dealership only. If you get a chance to go into the new designed hummer dealerships, take a look at the ceiling fans they have up there.

They are from here The Big Ass Fan Company (http://bigassfans.com/default.asp)

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[ssgharkness020147]

Bergstrom in Milwaukee has a test track, and has since shortly after the doors. Paragon, its cool they let you drive on the track, at my local dealer they will not let you for liability reasons (execpt for on special occasions). Will they continue to allow customers to drive on the track or is it temporary? I'm glad I'm not the only one that dragged a trailer hitch over the concrete.

[Joseph Muha]

If you are in Arkansas, Landers in Fayetteville alreay has their up and running. They had to put a locked gate on it as some folke with other brands attempted to run it and got "STUCK." Unfortunately, mine will not run it wiout some scraping as I have nerf bars. I will check it out next time I am up there. It looks pretty cool.
The Rover dealer in Tulsa has one for their SUVs as well, and while not as long as the Hummer track it is pretty neat. Remember that ALL of these factory tracks are PURPOSE BUILT for THEIR vehicles and exploit the different philosophies and designs of various manufacturers. The Rover guys also told me of other brands banging up their vehicles after hours as well.

[devilsfan]

I believe Ken Batchelor here in San Antonio is going to have a small one once their remodel is complete. I don't know the completion date - they pretty much demo'ed their entire facility and are working out of trailers - but progress seems to be slow.

How convenient that it's on my way home....a daily bit of fun off road and a free truck wash afterwards, who can beat that? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stacy

[Texas Red]

It looks like Sewell Hummer/Saab in Plano TX has finally broken ground on their dedicated Hummer dealership. It was delayed -- probably by the economy. Anyway, I was told they will have a Hummer Test Track. I hope that's still true.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ssgharkness020147:
Paragon, its cool they let you drive on the track, at my local dealer they will not let you for liability reasons (execpt for on special occasions). Will they continue to allow customers to drive on the track or is it temporary? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think I am the only customer that has driven the track. The salesmen take potential buyers through there but they don't let them drive. I have a good relationship with the owner, and her grandson who is over the Hummer part and they are going to only let customers do the track under controlled circumstances, like at Hummer Happenings. They know they have no need to worry about me from a liability standpoint and are fully aware of my wheelin ability.

[KenP]

The City of VA Beach said "no" to Hall's test track. Atleast that location on the dealership's property because it amounted to advertising. I don't know if they have other plans.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

PARAGON
You are probably 1 of the few to drive tracks. The dealer is supposed to have a certified Hummer Tech drive You around. My Dealer or I should say Hummer manager was going to let Me drive My H2 but My new XL nerf bars were in the way, plus I had just put on new chrome bumpers and it worried Him that I could scrub them. I asked Him if I could take the H2 they use and dealer liability would not allow it. I just let the Tech drive Me around but it would have been FUN to do it though. It was still a good ride as a passenger. Tech said for inexperienced owners they are allowed under the table so to speak customer out on track even as a rider and give them training if the Tech wanted to but more like if Tech had time. My Tech said He would hang around after He got off and do some training with Me if I called in advance. I thought that was a great effort on His part to offer. You do not find many who will do those things for service anymore.
Rick
Rick

[PARAGON]

I went back to the dealer today with cameras. I took some video I'll post later but here are some pics of my rig on the track.

This is the deal where there are sets of rollers under 3 wheels and you go up the little incline with power to only one wheel. If you do it w/o the rear locked it will hesitate while the traction control kicks in, BTM and it won't budge but will not hesitate at all with the rear locked.

[PARAGON]

This one demonstrates ground clearance but there is a little too much rock there right now, so clearance was major.

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This scaling the 18 inch, or whatever it is, verticle wall.

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verticle wall again

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40% front slope

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going into 40% (23 degree) side slope

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approach/departure

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approach/departure 2

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moguls

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moguls 2

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moguls 3

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moguls 4

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moguls 5

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moguls 6

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moguls 7

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moguls 8

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log

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ssgharkness020147:
Bergstrom in Milwaukee has a test track, and has since shortly after the doors. Paragon, its cool they let you drive on the track, at my local dealer they will not let you for liability reasons (execpt for on special occasions). Will they continue to allow customers to drive on the track or is it temporary? I'm glad I'm not the only one that dragged a trailer hitch over the concrete. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you just have to do it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Last ime I was there, i just drove around, went doen in the pit, out of th pit, through thier little moguls, over the wall, and than drove back around the other side to do the ramp.. than i got yelled at. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Hummie2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
I went back to the dealer today with cameras. I took some video I'll post later but here are some pics of my rig on the track.

This is the deal where there are sets of rollers under 3 wheels and you go up the little incline with power to only one wheel. If you do it w/o the rear locked it will hesitate while the traction control kicks in, BTM and it won't budge but will not hesitate at all with the rear locked. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The dealers should let every new owner try this one obstacle so they understand how the trac control works and that stepping on the brake pedal makes it inoperative.

[Joseph Muha]

Fantastic photos. Thanks for sharing them!

[ssgharkness020147]

Nice pics Paragon. That track looks allot like Bergstrom's, execpt they have a 60% vertical grade too. The next time you go around that thing instead of going up the vertical wall for the H2 try the one made for the H1, you should clear it with your 37's.

[PARAGON]

Carey,

Can't make it up the H1 wall. It is 22 inches and the front bumper hits pretty squarely. I didn't get out to see where it hit on the bumper but it felt like a solid hit. Next time I'll run up to it and take a pic. They are not fond of the marks I left around while playing. I dug trenches in the concrete, pushed my fairlead about 2 foot up the approach ditch and tore off chunks of concrete on the moguls for the H1.

The hill is a 60% grade, sorry if I missaid it earlier. You have 60% front hill climb and that turns into a 40% side slope on the other side.

[DRTYFN]

GREAT PICTURES!!! Thanks Paragon.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You're a lucky dog to have a dealer that's actually following the business plan from Hummer. My dealer (Dick Hannah) refuses to build a stand alone site. But the rumor floating around is that someone else is buying it (taking it) from him. (Thank god)

Also, I really like the black and white color scheme on your rig. The black wheels and grill look great on the white. Almost as good as on pewter.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You should be able to clear the H1 obstacles if you approach at an angle and then turn hard into the ledge. If you air those MTR's down to 12-15psi they will practically cling to the rock/concrete and pull you right up.

[Wheelin]

Did ya leave the trailer hitch on so you would not knock of them damn lights? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, if you are going to run black rims you ought to at least rattle can them hubs. Unless of course you are going for that trailer park look?

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wheelin:
Did ya leave the trailer hitch on so you would not knock of them damn lights? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, if you are going to run black rims you ought to at least rattle can them hubs. Unless of course you are going for that trailer park look? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And where are your pictures? Lots of mouth and nothing to back it up. What a boring pussy you've proven to be.

[Wheelin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wheelin:
Did ya leave the trailer hitch on so you would not knock of them damn lights? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, if you are going to run black rims you ought to at least rattle can them hubs. Unless of course you are going for that trailer park look? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And where are your pictures? Lots of mouth and nothing to back it up. What a boring pussy you've proven to be. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boring enough to get your attention. Must be really boring at your compound.

You are all nice in private with you sweet messages, but need to be a bit of a bully in front of the "guys"? You would think a H2 would be enough to make up for that short dick syndrome you got going on over there in Oregon. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

And still no pictures.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wheelin:
Did ya leave the trailer hitch on so you would not knock of them damn lights? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, if you are going to run black rims you ought to at least rattle can them hubs. Unless of course you are going for that trailer park look? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Grasp your ears firmly and pull; you might just be able to remove your head from your ass and see whether or not there is a trailer hitch on there.

Speaking of trailer park, using a $2.00 can of spray on my $60,000 vehicle........... that makes sense. The hubs are fine just the way they are.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
You should be able to clear the H1 obstacles if you approach at an angle and then turn hard into the ledge. If you air those MTR's down to 12-15psi they will practically cling to the rock/concrete and pull you right up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>When I go back I am going to try the H1 side. The course is pretty narrow and in some places it might be hard to get at a good angle.

If you'll notice, every time I tried the approach/departure pit I dragged the fairlead or part of the front bumper. I stayed on the concrete part but tried the most severe angle I could and it still dragged. So the Warn bumper takes just a little off of the angle. I'll post the video and you should be able to hear the bumper fairlead being pushed through the concrete.

[Hummie2]

Paragon...

Do you happen to know what your "Z" height is? I am curious to know how much the front of H2 setteled down after the winch and bumper were installed.

Thanks,
Don

[KenP]

SteveR got the front of his truck on a 42" log. But he needed to approach it at 45 degrees ( think that is the number he used ). Probably needed more room than you have. Wish I had the pic.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hummie2:
Paragon...

Do you happen to know what your "Z" height is? I am curious to know how much the front of H2 setteled down after the winch and bumper were installed.

Thanks,
Don <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Don, I'll get the tech to measure before and after. I am going to get him to crank a round or two on the torsion bars and then re-align. It will probably be next week, though.

[PARAGON]

Here is a link from a video from outside the vehicle while I went around the test track. It's a large file but in a higher resolution and about 6 minutes long. I'll post the same thing from the dash cam inside in a few minutes.

Hummer Off-road Track (http://www.pplus.com/hummer_track.wmv)

[PARAGON]

Here is a link to the second video. It's from the dashcam inside the truck.

Hummer Off-road track from Dashcam (http://www.pplus.com/hummer_track2.wmv)

[RIC-H0]

I think they need to add some pregressive steps(Like at Devils Den), and a few logs in a row spread out so it's be a little closer to real-life off roading.
Why don't they just ask us to design the next one for them, so it's be done right! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Does anyone have the home # to Mr. Batchelor, I need to have a talk with him about out track here in S.A. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ric-H2
Ric-H2

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Here is a link to the second video. It's from the dashcam inside the truck.

http://www.pplus.com/hummer_track2.wmv <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DASHCAM? now i'm really curious. Tell me about your dash cam. I really need one those before Moab.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by timgco:
DASHCAM? now i'm really curious. Tell me about your dash cam. I really need one those before Moab. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>http://www.stickypod.com/images/800X600/4inarow7.jpg

You use the tripod mount on your vid camera to mount it to something called a "sticky pod". Mine is triangular in shape and rides on the center of the dash perfectly. Also, you can use the suction cups to "stick" the camera outside on a fender or something. You use a safety cord tied to it in case it comes "unstuck" so it won't hit the ground, but I can't find mine, so the camera just rides around on my dash all of the time. I have it there handy in case I catch anything worth videoing around town.

You can find them here: http://www.stickypod.com

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Here is a link from a video from outside the vehicle while I went around the test track. It's a large file but in a higher resolution and about 6 minutes long. I'll post the same thing from the dash cam inside in a few minutes.

http://www.pplus.com/hummer_track.wmv <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great video!!! I'm so jealous.
I'm looking for a piece of property to buy so I can put in my own 4x4 playground.

It would have been a total cakewalk if you'd have aired those MTR's down.

[ckhagman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RIC-H2:

Why don't they just ask us to design the next one for them, so it's be done right! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Ric-H2
Ric-H2 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know you might be joking but the test tracks are supposed to be close copies of the AMG test track.

[Jigga]

great pictures paragon. I'm planning on taking my H2 to RogersDabbs in a couple of weeks to get a few minor things checked out. But I have to drive on that test track. So will they let anyone do it with their own or does someone have to drive you around. I have the 37"MTR's but my winch isn't nicely integrated into the bumper http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (by the way where did you get that).
I really want to drive that course and wouldn't be happy if I had to let someone else drive me.

[PARAGON]

Jigga,

I have no idea about getting to drive on the track. From what others have said on here, they really aren't too keen on it for liability reasons. I do know that they are going to have an open house/hummer happening sort of thing and people will get to drive.

Let me know when you're coming and I'll meet you out there.

[dochummer]

Just got an email that Bellevue Hummer in Washington just opened their test track? Has anyone tried it yet? Kacyk? Anybody know if we can run our own vehicles through? I hear McCann Hummer is opening this month also...

[4churchill]

jessup hummer in cathedral city (palm springs) has their track open too. havent tried it yet. looks fun but short

[1BADH2]

The dealership in Buffalo is building one now but is taking forever. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[4churchill]

for those who dont have a test tarck at you HUMMER dealer, you could always run over the one at you local Range Rover Dealer, and by run over, i mean run over http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DavidAragon]

It's great you've got the chance to run the test track! I wanted to confirm, that you have 37" (37x12.5x17) wrangler's on your stock suspension H2, is that right? I was thinking of adding 37"s too...
Thanks,
David

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DavidAragon:
It's great you've got the chance to run the test track! I wanted to confirm, that you have 37" (37x12.5x17) wrangler's on your stock suspension H2, is that right? I was thinking of adding 37"s too...
Thanks,
David </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You are right 37" Wrangler MT/Rs on stock powdercoated wheels with the stock suspension.

[dochummer]

Ok, just got back from seattle and had a chance to check out the local bellevue dealership's test track. Not too shabby, but definately not as nice as Paragon's run. They had a straight stretch, probably 75 yards total, first obstacle was the 16" wall, second was the 45 degree side slope (that's what he said), third was the rollers (while running through, he had us just lock the rear diff, and of course it was easy. I remembered there was something mentioned here about TCS kicking in...but didn't get a chance to test it), then went to the incline, break-over angle at top, and approach/departure at the bottom. He also demonstrated the engine breaking upon decent. That was it. They have a demo h2 parked right at the entrance to the course, so there's no way to run it with your own truck. But they let us each drive through it ourselves. Definately good to feel the angles in the truck. Get a much better sense of some of the capabilities.
Prior to running the hummer test track, we ran through the Land Rover test track a few blocks away. To be honest, the LR presentation was much better, even though they wouldn't let us personally drive it. It seemed the LR presentation had a more severe side slope with a left turn. It would be nice to take the h2 through it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Oh, we test drove the LR3...great vehicle. But nothing can replace my H2!
The included pic is from my couz' camera phone...sorry forgot to bring the camera. Just one shot of the incline... And yes, that's me in the pic...wasn't expecting him to take one...

[4churchill]

doc, i would say you weren't on a 45 side slope, because even at the plant in indiana, they put you on a 40, and at that point washer fluid is spilling from the nozzles. interesting that they wouldnt let people take their own truck, but i guess good ol' liability is rearing its ugly head. glad you enjoyed it!

[PARAGON]

I would be almost assured that you were not on a 45 degree slope. It's more like a 40% or 45% which is roughly around 22-25 degrees. Big, big difference. A 40 degree slope is doable but is not very comfortable at all.

The two (degrees and percent) get mixed up quite often, even by Hummer salesmen. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[4churchill]

good catch Paragon, this is one of the very things i brought up with our salesmaanger, that often salesmen may give information they feel is correct, and may sound correct, but has a samall defficiancy. Gezze i feel like a hypocrite http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif all i know is at hUMMER school the washer fluid is spilling from the nozzel on the downside of the rig.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Man, at 40 degrees sideslope, most perspective buyers would crap themselves, or puke, or both and probably go home to shaken to actually buy a truck.....many would have a bad reaction at 40% I would imagine...I hate sideslope...

Actually that would be kind of funny as a requirement to own, kind of like hazing new owners http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I was at almost 40 degrees this weekend on my Kubota tractor with the FEL, and that is stained shorts scary. Getting to that point is one thing, but to be stopped and then have to get the tractor out of that situation is alltogether a different story. You know you screwed up to begin with. But to have to drive it out of the off-camber with turning the wheel feeling like it's going to make you flip is a freaky deal. I had to kill it and walk back to the shop and talk to myself about it before trying to right it.

I finally decided that, with my seatbelt on and the ROPs I would drive it down the slope and hope for the best. What made it worse was the lack of room. It wasn't like I could drive several yards to ease out of the situation. The ground on the lower side gave way some which put me in the bad situation to begin with and made driving it out of it unpredictable.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 4CHURCHILL:
good catch Paragon, this is one of the very things i brought up with our salesmaanger, that often salesmen may give information they feel is correct, and may sound correct, but has a samall defficiancy. Gezze i feel like a hypocrite http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif all i know is at hUMMER school the washer fluid is spilling from the nozzel on the downside of the rig. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

English isn't your first language is it?

[4churchill]

drty, my mind works quicker then my hands, so i often type incorrectly or lay down words and phrases which make no sense, because before i can type a complete thought, my mind is already spewing out something different. btw i scored a 775 on the english section of the SAT's...if you think my english is bad, wait until you see me try to do math (550 score http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

[DRTYFN]

Then why don't you slow down just a wee bit and give your post a whiff of a proofread before you click the 'post now' button.
I've had this mental image of you as some kind of jittery, chain-smoking foreigner because of your butchered posts.

[4churchill]

No, no chain smoking here, and born in the good ol' U.S. of A. Probably a good call on the proof reading. My typing skills probably aren't up to par either. Thanks for the heads up Diety........jhfjkhewfjkhfjkhfjkdshjksdghjkfdskgfs dgkfdggdksgfjdshklklfhsklkdhfklfh http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted by DRTY:
I've had this mental image of you as some kind of jittery, chain-smoking foreigner because of your butchered posts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>dud u naled dat 1. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[4churchill]

Oh boy! Lets all jump on the Church Bashing Wagon.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I want you all to notice the difference in my posts from this point forward. Just don't expect too much, I am just a bottom of the rung car salesman/student don't forget! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[dochummer]

I thought that was what it was supposed to be...45% grade, but the salesguy said 45 degrees. the land rover test track was set at 31 degrees. Felt a little more pucker there, but then again it seemed like the lr was more narrow.

[Dug]

Paragon - thanks alot for sharing those pics and videos. Great driving.

[DavidAragon]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Great - thanks!

[hummerNCO]

Sweeeet… I like video from the dash cam. I have got to get one of those suckerpods… then a video camera… then get out on the trail… sheeez… good thing I can live vicariously through this site for now. The snow camo on black looks great Devil Dog… errr… I mean Paragon, nice post.

[PARAGON]

Ooooh-Rah! Thanks for the compliments. I am going to post another vid from the dash that was taken at night. I'll post it under the why you bought your H2 thread. Not a great vid by any stretch but does display one of the reason why I bought my H2.