Canada's Army picks the G-Wagon

[VTSTOMPER]

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/Feature_Story/2004/mar04/30_f_e.asp

[VTSTOMPER]

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/Feature_Story/2004/mar04/30_f_e.asp

[KenP]

I didn't know Canada had an Army. I just thought we took care of them. Those trucks are really for pulling their horse trailers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Boss Hoss]

I must admit, as far as a Gwagon goes those are sweet.

[timgco]

At least ther forest service will be driving H2's.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
At least ther forest service will be driving H2's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Shut it Mr. H3er. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Thai]

FYI for the original poster:

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/the-gwagens-a-beauty-...ored-merc-142901.php (http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/the-gwagens-a-beauty-eh-canadian-soldiers-saved-by-armored-merc-142901.php)

Canadians suffer minor injuries in Afghan blast
CTV.ca News Staff

It was a close call for Canadian soldiers who escaped death Wednesday after a suspected suicide bomber blew up a truck packed with explosives near their patrol in Afghanistan.

Three soldiers from Edmonton were treated for superficial injuries, said Col. Steve Bowes, commander of the Canadian Provincial Reconstruction Team (PRT). There was some bruising, and one soldier received minor burns to his hands and the back of his neck.

"But they are all OK and they are back on duty," Bowes told CTV on Wednesday.

But a 10-year-old Afghan boy wasn't so lucky. He was killed along with the suicide attacker in the blast, which served to remind Canadian troops of the dangers facing them in the country.

The explosion occurred near an orphanage, about one kilometre outside of the city of Kandahar.

Bowes said it appears that the suspect vehicle made a short U-turn and then came back at the Canadian convoy and detonated.

"The investigation is ongoing but it looks like it was a suicide bombing."

Bowes said the irony is that Canadian troops enjoy a great deal of popular support in Kandahar.

"There is no part of this city where we cannot go. We simply need to be safe when we go there," he said.

"There is an extremist element and it's an element that you know will go to any ends to achieve their objectives."

Defence Minister Bill Graham recently warned that the move by Canadian troops from the more stable capital of Kabul to Kandahar -- widely known as a hotbed of militant activity -- could boost the odds of Canadian deaths and injuries.

Graham said from Ottawa Wednesday that he was relieved to hear the soldiers weren't seriously hurt.

"We're extremely cautious as we move into the Kandahar process," he said. "The chief of defence staff has assured me that we're taking all precautions to protect our troops, and I'm confident that we'll do that."

Graham said he was also pleased that lives may have been saved by the new light-armored vehicles the troops are using, called G-Wagons.

Despite the power of the blast, witnesses said the soldiers' G-Wagon was hardly damaged.

"I have renewed faith in the vehicles we're driving," Warrant Officer Mike Gauley said. He added the troops inspected the vehicle carefully for damage, but all they found was "a broken headlight."

The wagons were ordered after a landmine killed two Canadians travelling in a lighter Iltis jeep in October, 2003. But with the Taliban and al Qaeda blamed for a recent wave of suicide bombings, and with 1,000 more Canadians headed for combat in Afghanistan, the Opposition says the new vehicles aren't enough.

"The government basically committed our troops to fight guerillas in Afghanistan without making sure they had the equipment," said Ontario Conservative MP Gordon O'Connor.

Lieutenant-Colonel Wayne Eyre at the Edmonton Garrison said the names of the injured Canadian soldiers -- who are part of the 101-soldier Edmonton contingent -- won't be released.

They were part of a routine supply convoy bringing goods to Canada's provincial reconstruction team in Kandahar.

[VTSTOMPER]

I guess I am the orginal poster...I hope you didn't think I was talking smack about your G-Wagon by posting it. I thought it was pretty wild seeing a "greened out" G-Wagon. All I see are black ones covered with more chrome than anything else.

About your cut-in-paste, I am happy to read that they are doing their jobs in saving lives *The G-wagon that is*

[RazM]

That's how pathetic our government is...

The only reason they chose the G-Wagon is so they can be different than the US...
Give me an up armor humvee any day

P.S. Reports came out last year that the original order of G-Wagons that the Canadian Military ordered had floors that were heavily rusting (dangerously so)

[Thai]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
I guess I am the orginal poster...I hope you didn't think I was talking smack about your G-Wagon by posting it. I thought it was pretty wild seeing a "greened out" G-Wagon. All I see are black ones covered with more chrome than anything else. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No offense at all. I was just following up on your post with update about G-wagen's action in Afgan.

As for the mall crawlers...i sadly agree...too many bling-bling G's around.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
G-Wagon brings teh suck http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> X2

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I didn't know Canada had an Army. I just thought we took care of them. Those trucks are really for pulling their horse trailers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're highly trained at repelling Eskimo attacks.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
I guess I am the orginal poster...I hope you didn't think I was talking smack about your G-Wagon by posting it. I thought it was pretty wild seeing a "greened out" G-Wagon. All I see are black ones covered with more chrome than anything else.

About your cut-in-paste, I am happy to read that they are doing their jobs in saving lives *The G-wagon that is* </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thai for sure got all butt hurt about the perceived slight. He's got really thin skin but likes to talk big.

[Thai]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Thai for sure got all butt hurt about the perceived slight. He's got really thin skin but likes to talk big. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now, Drifty, be nice...i think that EVERYONE here knows how sensitive you and your boyfriends get.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Thai for sure got all butt hurt about the perceived slight. He's got really thin skin but likes to talk big. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now, Drifty, be nice...i think that EVERYONE here knows how sensitive you and your boyfriends get. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're soooo going to regret piping up again.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
At least ther forest service will be driving H2's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Shut it Mr. H3er. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PHUK U 2'R.

[DennisAJC]

Thai stop it. Flattery still won`t let you suck my wang.

Canada bought the fagwagons because they`re too scared of the heat associated with an American Icon.

As a Canadian General qouted, " What are we suppose to do with these?(Referring to the G wagons) Might as well attach a white flag to the antenna."

Even the Canadians are at a loss.


Dodge G Wagons totally bring teh ghey. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:

As a Canadian General qouted, " What are we suppose to do with these?(Referring to the G wagons) Might as well attach a white flag to the antenna." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's what the French would do. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Alan06SUT]

Those are semi cool---if you are a recreational offraoder or outdoorsman, but for soldiers, that is stupid. I doubt it could take near the beating or battle damage that hummers are capable of and it looks like they cost more than hummers do. I would much rather be in a HUMVEE with a fifty cal that a gwagon with an arb snorkel kit!!! The beadlocks are cool though.

[Thai]

Here

[Thai]

US Recon uses G-wagen, not H1.

[Thai]

Alec, since you seem to know a lot about the US armed forces...did you know that a replacement of the Humvee is in progress??

This is FACT: do a google search

In the new world of warfare, the Humvee is not cuting it. Not because it's not capable, but because of the design of it. The H1's underbody is too wide and flat. Therefore, the underbody is too exposed to landmines in Iraq and Afgan. Surviving a landmine is very difficult in the H1...thus, Army is in the process of finding a replacement. The replacement's underbody will be bowed out (one of the proposed design)...thus deflecting the mine's force...thus, protecting our soldiers more. The H1's underbody, on the other hand, absorbs too much of the blast...too much real estate for the mine's force.

If you don't believe me, then do a search. Now, if i were given a chance to buy a H1 (aka win lottery), then i would buy it in an instant!! H1 is good in the old-kind of open warfare.

[Thai]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
Alec, since you seem to know a lot about the US armed forces...did you know that a replacement of the Humvee is in progress??
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don’t know much about the US armed forces, never said I did, I just guessed at current vehicle number and figure not many g-wagons in service is all.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I’m not sure of the numbers but will guess that there are way more Hummers in active service that any other vehicle.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


What part of “I’m not sure” did you not understand?

You really are stupid aren’t you?

Please correct me if I was wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you retarded?? Why are you quoting yourself and then insulting yourself??

And quite frankly...if you don't know much, then STFU! Isn't that what you guys always insult people with??

STFU...i learn that from you gal's bad vocabulary.

[Thai]

Last pic of Canadian G

[Thai]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I said think, as in I am not 100% sure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And i said...STFU. Can YOU read? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Alan06SUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
US Recon uses G-wagen, not H1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whatever dude thats Jack Bower from 24 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Thai]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alan06SUT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
US Recon uses G-wagen, not H1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whatever dude thats Jack Bower from 24 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehehe...that's true...that guy does look like him! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[4churchill]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
US Recon uses G-wagen, not H1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

is tha Quifer Sutherland in that photo? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I said think, as in I am not 100% sure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And i said...STFU. Can YOU read? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[TootsSUT]

It's fun watching Thai get pounded!!

Seems like he enjoys it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tootsie:
It's fun watching Thai get pounded!!

Seems like he enjoys it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He's getting it from more then us. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Ed G.]

Hell, they have to look good when they retreat don't they.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
US Recon uses G-wagen, not H1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DUH!!!!

US Recon driving a Hummer? You dumb chink.

They obviously have to blend in with the populus. Kind of obvious they would be recognized if they were in a Hummer.

Did Benzworld kick your stupid ass out and now you're looking for a new tunnel to burrow in?


LOL! What a stupid child.

[tanklizard]

Okay, where to start;
I’ve been in the Army and National Guard for over 17 years and just got back from a year long tour in Iraq this November so I can probably shed some light on this subject.

Right off the bat my biggest problem with the armored G-Wagon is this line:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> A total of 802 G-Wagons and 160 amour protection systems are being supplied to the CF by Mercedes Benz Canada </div></BLOCKQUOTE>.
Armor protection systems, this means the G-Wagon is an up-armored vehicle not an armored vehicle. An up-armored vehicle has had an aftermarket armor kit added to it while an armored vehicle is designed and factory built with armor from the get-go. Why is this important, because a vehicle with an armor kit will never provide as much protection as a vehicle that has been designed to be armored. An armor kit will always have holes and gaps that armor could not be fit around because the original vehicle wasn’t designed with armor in mind. A factory armored vehicle has these gaps eliminated in the design process.

Additionally, a factory armored vehicle has had the rest of the vehicle beefed up to support the armor, up-armored vehicles normally do not. We used two types of Humvee gun trucks in Iraq. The first was the M1025 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1025.htm), basically an unarmored scout Humvee that we added an armor kit to. The engine and suspension just couldn’t take the weight. The truck would barely move and every time you hit a pothole you thought something was going to fall off. Here’s a good shot of a 1025, the green is the original truck and the tan is the added armor.
http://www.103armor.com/psdT0003.JPG

The second type was the M1114 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1114.htm). This beast came from the factory already armored and had a more powerful turbo-diesel and beefed up suspension. This was truck people fought to have. The armor was light years ahead of the 1025 (what a death trap.) Here’s a picture of my “Green Machine.”
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6420/h1a3fn.jpg

I didn’t see any mention of upgrading the G-Wagon’s engine or suspension in the article. If you add a ton of armor and leave the rest of the truck alone you’re asking for breakdown after breakdown.

Additionally, adding all that armor raises the vehicle’s center of gravity making it more prone to rollovers. We had this problem with our Humvees, people would drive them like cars, get stupid and roll them over. With a shorter wheelbase and less width the G-Wagon would be more susceptible to rollovers than a Humvee.

Yes the Army is planning to replace the Humvee with a vehicle that will be designed with armor from the start. We’ve known about the underside of the M1114 trapping the effects of a mine blast from day it was fielded . I don’t see where a G-Wagon underside would provide any advantage, it’s wide and flat as well. There’s an old saying “perfect is the enemy of good enough.” If we waited for a perfect vehicle it would never come and we couldn’t afford it if it did. The M1114 is good enough to save lives in Iraq every day. And guess what, a little internet research finds that the G-Wagon is an interim armored vehicle soon to be replaced by a new APV (http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-patrol-apv.htm) (armored patrol vehicle.) To quote the article:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But it was obvious from the outset that G-wagon’s add- on amour would give insufficient protection from landmines or improvised explosive devices. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trying to compare a G-Wagon to a Humvee is like comparing a Humvee to a jeep or even a land rover, apples to oranges. The Humvee replaced much more than the jeep, it replaced several light vehicles (gamma goat, mule, etc.) with a single, common vehicle. All the G-wagon and jeep can do is haul 4 people and a light load of equipment. The Humvee can haul up to 4,400 lbs., evacuate 4 wounded soldiers on stretchers, and move troops.

In Iraq, the army as already started replacing the M1114 in some of its roles with two, new, specialized vehicles.

MP units in heavy (read that tank) divisions have been receiving the M1117 ASV (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/asv.htm) (armored security vehicle.) It’s basically an armored car with heavier armor and weapons (a ma deuce and MK-19) than the M1114. It also weighs more, costs a lot more, and can’t move troops or equipment like a Humvee. Here’s a pic I took of one at LSA Anaconda:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4648/dsc00698a6ds.jpg

The second vehicle the army is using is the RG-31 Mine Protected Vehicle (http://www.defense-update.com/products/r/RG-31.htm). It’s a South African armored car that is better protected than the M1114 because it has heavier armor and a boat shaped hull to deflect explosive blasts. Engineers use these during route clearance when they sweep the roads for IED’s. Saw several in theater but didn’t take any pics so here’s the one from the website:
http://www.defense-update.com/images/rg-31.jpg

The engineers are also using another armored vehicle to do route clearance, the buffalo (http://www.forceprotection.net/models/buffalo/) (American made.) This truck isn’t replacing the Humvee but I thought I’d show it to you anyways. This monster weighs 23 tons (heavy, heavy armor.) and has a long hydraulic arm with a camera and rake at the end of it. Whenever they see something suspicious, they’ll drive up and poke it with the arm. If it’s an IED and it goes off, they’ve got a good 20ft of standoff space and 23 tons of armor to protect them. Here’s a pic of one on my FOB:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8297/buffaloa2xk.jpg

And last but not least, I’d like to address this post:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">US Recon uses G-wagen, not H1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
BULL****!!!
United States reconnaissance units use either the M1114, a Stryker, or the walk. They do not use G-Wagons in any way shape or form. All I see is a picture of an American soldier standing in front of a G-Wagon. How did you come to your conclusion from this picture? How do you know he isn’t just posing in front of a G-wagon? I learned a long time ago to keep my mouth shut when I don’t know what I’m talking about. You should do the same.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tanklizard:
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the first time I've witnessed an American Soldier sniper a Charlie on teh web. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Can somebody say OWNED in Thai????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[MovinH2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
G-Wagon brings teh suck http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X2

[DDWH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MovinH2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
G-Wagon brings teh suck http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X3

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tanklizard:
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the first time I've witnessed an American Soldier sniper a Charlie on teh web. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That brings teh funnay.

[TXSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
did you know that a replacement of the Humvee is in progress??

This is FACT </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The bottom line that a lot of posters in this thread have miss is "So the phuck what if it's going to be replaced?" We all know that it won't be replaced by the G-wagon, so what point does that make in defense of your argument?

What kind of military would we have if it wasn't always looking to improve its equipment?

These threads sure do bring the ignorance. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tanklizard:

BULL****!!!
United States reconnaissance units use either the M1114, a Stryker, or the walk. They do not use G-Wagons in any way shape or form. All I see is a picture of an American soldier standing in front of a G-Wagon. How did you come to your conclusion from this picture? How do you know he isn’t just posing in front of a G-wagon? I learned a long time ago to keep my mouth shut when I don’t know what I’m talking about. You should do the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BUWAHAHAHA!!!!! Thai gets Pwn3d by someone that has first hand expert experience.
Thanks for the sniper shot to his head, Tankliz.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DDWH:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MovinH2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Thai brings teh suck http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

X3 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>fissed

[Thai]

Last post: (5th paragraph) December 2003 Article

Stewart & Stevenson Tactical Vehicle Systems, LP (TVS), a manufacturer of medium tactical vehicles for the U.S. Army, announced that it has entered into an agreement with DaimlerChrysler, which gives TVS the exclusive right to market the Mercedes- Benz Military Gelandewagen (G-Wagen) series of vehicles to United States Government authorities, including all federal, state, and local government agencies.

The G-Wagen military series includes the Open Wagon, Van, Station Wagon, Light 4x4 Tactical Wheeled Vehicle, and a Chassis with Cab. Since 1979, more than 60,000 of these vehicles have been sold to military customers worldwide. The G-Wagen has been continuously upgraded with the latest in automotive off- road and on-road technology.

The G-Wagen provides superb mobility, reliability, and economy, both off- road and on-road. It optimally fulfills its intended mission as a vehicle for transporting personnel or loads at a maximum two metric tons, and for towing trailers or artillery.

Designed for air landings, the vehicle can be transported easily as an external load below a helicopter or as an internal load for aircraft, including the U.S. Marine Corps V-22 Osprey. It can also be air-dropped by parachute.

The G-Wagen is offered in several armored versions, with protection ranging from small arms to mine blast protection. It has performed successfully for German special forces in Afghanistan and U.S. Marine Corps Force Recon Units in the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts. Powered by a modern turbocharged common rail diesel engine, the G-Wagen military series meets the latest requirements of modern armed forces with respect to fuel efficiency and exhaust emissions.

The G-Wagen series complements the existing FMTV product line made by TVS, which includes 15 active variants and weight capacities ranging between 2.5 and 11 tons. Planned FMTV models under development will extend the product range to 15 metric tons in an 8 X 8 configuration.

Another source: (http://force-reconnaissance.biography.ms/)

Interim Fast Attack Vehicle (IFAV)
These are deployed and used by Force Recon. Force Recon used to operate a fleet of Chenowith Fast Attack Vehicles (FAV), popularized by the Navy SEALs as the 'black dune buggy.' However, this vehicle lacked cargo capacity and firepower, so Force Recon moved to a militarized Mercedes-Benz G-Class (Geländewagen) 290 GDT diesel 4x4, a much more traditional 'Jeep' type truck. The IFAV is considered "an alternative to walking," though it has numerous defensive weapons, including a Mk 19 automatic 40mm grenade launcher. This vehicle is manufactured by MAGNA STEYR (Austria) for Mercedes-Benz (Germany).

[CO Hummer]

ZeroThailerance brings teh SUCK.

[Mr. I - Man]

Hey Thai, get ready to be owned again!

Read this dipsh*t

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-12-28-corps-jeep_x.htm

Looks like the Corps chose an American vehicle for Recon.

Take your G- wagen( G stands for Black Forest "Ghey") and stick it.

[DRTYFN]

Thai = DEE DEE DEE Of The Year.

[h2co-pilot]

Holy Turdtumbler! that bitch is still here?!!!http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Oh, it get's worse. That article is from like 2002 or 2003. The Marine Corps IS NOT US special forces per Thai's comment about dude in the picture, and dude is not a Marine. The Marine Corps evaluated it for use starting in 1999 or 2000.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">QUANTICO TO RECEIVE CORPS' NEWEST SUV

By Sgt. Michael Niman

MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. (June 16) - Though the Marine Corps procured the Interim Fast Attack Vehicle as a replacement for the M-151 Jeep in the Fleet Marine Force, Quantico Marines are now getting their hands on one to evaluate it in a base support role.

Quantico's range control section will soon receive the Corps' newest tactical utility vehicle and become the first non-tactical unit in the Marine Corps to receive and evaluate the IFAV.

The vehicle is one of 62 the Marine Corps contracted for last year from Advanced Vehicle Systems, of Washington, D.C., who partnered with Daimler/Chrysler for rapid manufacture of the Mercedes-Benz 290 GDT long wheel-base vehicle.

Of the IFAVs produced by the Corps, 24 were given to II Marine Expeditionary Force in Camp Lejeune, NC., 24 to I MEF in Camp Pendleton, Calif., and 12 were given to III MEF in Okinawa, Japan. Marine Corps Systems Command retained the remaining two IFAVs for testing and configuration management.

MarCorSysCom Commanding General BGen. James Feigley is scheduled to hand over keys to one of the remaining IFAVs to BGen. Leif Hendrickson, base commanding general, 11:45 a.m. June 19 in front of Lejeune Hall.


"From discussions and meetings by MCCDC and MarCorSysCom senior officers, not unlike the way the Corps started in Tun Tavern, the idea came up that the commercial-based IFAV might have good utility in less tactical base support operations," said LtCol. Thomas F. Manley, Program Manager for Transportation, MarCorSysCom.

"The thinking behind it was, since it was designed as an aggressive off-road sport utility vehicle, it would probably better suited for some of the rougher terrains around base than the vehicles currently in use," said Manley.

"We use four-wheel-drive vehicles to aid personnel in training areas - but sometimes they get stuck," said Sgt. Gerald Spilatro, who is one of three range control Marines recently trained to operate the IFAV.

The range control Marines trained extensively for one week learning maintenance and practicing driving on hardball, unimproved gravel roads and rough off-road areas.

"With an IFAV in two-wheel drive, our instructor easily got through areas we frequently get our Dodge Rams stuck in," said Spilatro.

"When there is heavy rain, there are certain roads that we have to stay off, but with the IFAV we can go anywhere, if it is raining or not," he added.

It won't hold the M-19 40mm grenade launcher or the M2 .50 caliber machine gun, like some of its relatives in the FMF, but Spilatro believes the IFAV will prove to be a valuable asset to the Marine Corps in non-tactical roles just as in tactical missions.
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[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Oh, it get's worse. That article is from like 2002 or 2003. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
BUWAHAHAHA!!!!! I was so dead on about this turd being a DEE DEE DEE!!!

[TootsSUT]

I think he's kinda cute.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_7.gif ('http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxdm824CSUS')

[Alan06SUT]

That guy is jack bauer from 24, I told you!

[Racer-X]

You guys DO realize your scrapping with a guy who advertises that he owns a Toyota Corolla in his sig line....right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Racer-X:
You guys DO realize your scrapping with a guy who advertises that he owns a Toyota Corolla in his sig line....right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>We're bored. The trolls have been few and far between as of late.

[Racer-X]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Racer-X:
You guys DO realize your scrapping with a guy who advertises that he owns a Toyota Corolla in his sig line....right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>We're bored. The trolls have been few and far between as of late. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO! Coffee all over my screen!