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Thai

05-04-2005, 06:36 PM

You guys are poking fun at the Jeep Liberty. Granted, most Jeeps suck the big one...posers. However, i doubt that the Jeep Rubicon is one of them.

IMHO, i don't see the H2 being in the same class as the Rubicon in off-roading...size & weight alone put the Rubicon ahead. Then you add in Dana 44 solid axles front & rear with gear-based lockers (and rear gear-LSD) and it's not even a fair fight.

BTW, to be fair, i don't consider my G500 to be in the same class as Rubicon either. Rubi has the perfect size with a great off-roading powertrain (amazing crawl ratio, torquey engine)...it's made for off-roading, unlike our rigs, which compromises on-road and off-road ride.

My brother has a Rubicon. We went off-roading in CO last year...i did about 85-90% of the stuff that he went on...but i would not say that mine was better on anything. Sure, i had a more comfy ride with a better stereo system, but that's about it. Capability-wise, i don't see anything matching the Rubi on the trails. Modifications are cheap and just around the corner too!

On-road, anything can beat the Rubicon...but in off-roading, Rubis are in a class of one.

Thai

05-04-2005, 06:45 PM

Toss-up in off-roading??!!http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Ok...we don't see the same thing then. I think that i will end here in this thread.

Thai

05-04-2005, 06:50 PM

I would love too. I live near Houston. How about you guys??

Last month, i organized a small gathering and we off-roaded in Liberty TX. That was some crappy mud...damn acidic mud or something got on our paint!! It took a few weeks for it to disappear...weird stains!

Anyway, we had: my G500, Lexus GX470, 2 Rubicons, 2000 4runner, and Porsche Cayenne. Yes, a Porsche Cayenne!! We had fun.

Just keep me posted please. When's the next event??

NoMoGMPG

05-04-2005, 07:01 PM

Seth brings up the very weakness of the Rubi. It's short, tight wheelbase makes steep bumpy trails (Hell's Gate, Tip Over Challenge) particularly dangerous to it where the H2 has the wider and longer stance and can handle it comfortably. This is not to take away from the Rubicons' capability, it is that, but too put it in a class of one I give you my special "one". No way.

Dave

Thai

05-04-2005, 07:33 PM

Ya know, last time i checked, Rubicons don't have much problems in Utah. Also, can a Rubicon make it across Hell's Revenge, etc.?? YES. Basically, Rubicon can pretty much go anywhere an H2 can...but the reverse is not true. And it's not just tight spots...just the fact that it has lockers front and rear puts it ahead of H2. Now, add in the ultra-sweet crawl ratio. There's no competition.

So, yes, it is in a class of it's own. I know that you guys love your H2 and think the world of it, but you guys need to be fair here. Rubicon is NOT a Jeep Liberty or Grand Cherokee.

NoMoGMPG

05-04-2005, 07:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
Ya know, last time i checked, Rubicons don't have much problems in Utah. Also, can a Rubicon make it across Hell's Revenge, etc.?? YES. Basically, Rubicon can pretty much go anywhere an H2 can...but the reverse is not true. And it's not just tight spots...just the fact that it has lockers front and rear puts it ahead of H2. Now, add in the ultra-sweet crawl ratio. There's no competition.

So, yes, it is in a class of it's own. I know that you guys love your H2 and think the world of it, but you guys need to be fair here. Rubicon is NOT a Jeep Liberty or Grand Cherokee. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was being fair. I didn't say Hell's Revenge, I said Hell's Gate and I didn't say it couldn't do it, I said it was more dangerous in the Rubicon because of its short wheelbase and narrower stance. It's obvious you don't even want to give the H2 its due, so lets call a spade a spade. I'd rather go up Tip Over Challenge in an H2 over a Rubicon, lockers or not, just on the safety factor alone. Or how about Roaring Fork at Kinzalows? 3-4 feet of fast moving water just might sweep those sweet lockers out from under you.

Jeeps have their ground, we have ours. Accept it.

Dave

Thai

05-04-2005, 08:37 PM

Dude, cool down. It's not that i don't give H2 their dues...remember, i said that the Rubicon is better than G-wagen in off-roading.

How reliable is a locker in the front of the H2?? Long term durability?

If i arrange something over the next month or so, then can you guys come with us??

Thai

05-04-2005, 08:40 PM

BTW, very nice pics!! Thanks for sharing!

NoMoGMPG

05-04-2005, 08:54 PM

Having a locker survive in any vehicle is up to the driver. I've seen many locked Dana 44's go boom because of bad driving technique. Did you think the D44 was initially designed with a locker? Noooo... Lockers came about out of need and want. Only recently did they start becoming options in current production vehicles. I think Pinzgauer was the first way back with its hydraulic lockers. Anyway, it gets tiring when fanboys simply won't acknowledge strengths in competitors or the weaknesses in their object of affection.

Longhorn

05-04-2005, 08:54 PM

I've got nothing against Jeeps and I love wheeling with their owners. I think the Rubi has great offroad DNA and makes an incredibly capable platform but stock vs. stock it will not walk away from an H2. (assuming both have capable drivers)

Offroad: Yes, the front locker helps, the solid axle is a wash since it doesn't articulate well in stock form (obviously the capability is there though with additional suspension mods). 31 inch tires are weak.

The other 95% of the time: You're left with some big short comings. Where do you put the family? Gear, coolers, camping? How do I tow my boat? How do I take out clients in a 2 door? I'm 6'4", It feels like driving a go-cart.

The H2 just works better for me Overall!

If all you want is offroad performance, get a trail rig. For 6K you can get a baddass old Yota (I like 85 4Runners -last year of Solid axle, first year of fuel injection), CJ, K5 etc that will make the H2 and Rubicon look plain silly ofroad.

We can and do "get along". Come wheel with us. Bring your G500 or feel free to ride along with me. I'll show what an H2 is capable of.

DennisAJC

05-05-2005, 12:45 AM

<span class="ev_code_RED">Thai-Sexual,</span>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
You guys are poking fun at the Jeep Liberty. Granted, most Jeeps suck the big one...posers. However, i doubt that the Jeep Rubicon is one of them.<span class="ev_code_RED">Most Rubicons I've seen have never hit gravel. </span>

IMHO, i don't see the H2 being in the same class as the Rubicon in off-roading...size & weight alone put the Rubicon ahead. Then you add in Dana 44 solid axles front & rear with gear-based lockers (and rear gear-LSD) and it's not even a fair fight. <span class="ev_code_RED">Funny, those were a few of the main reasons the U.S. Military dumped the Jeep.</span>

BTW, to be fair, i don't consider my G500 to be in the same class as Rubicon either. Rubi has the perfect size with a great off-roading powertrain (amazing crawl ratio, torquey engine)...it's made for off-roading, unlike our rigs, which compromises on-road and off-road ride.<span class="ev_code_RED">I'm so sick of idiots talking about size. I know areas where Jeeps won't fit either! BFD! Trails or logging roads were not tailored for Jeeps. DO YOU HAVE ANY ACTION PICS OF YOUR ....ERRRR....COUGH......G500? </span>

My brother has a Rubicon. We went off-roading in CO last year...i did about 85-90% of the stuff that he went on...but i would not say that mine was better on anything. Sure, i had a more comfy ride with a better stereo system, but that's about it. Capability-wise, i don't see anything matching the Rubi on the trails. Modifications are cheap and just around the corner too!<span class="ev_code_RED">Obviously your brother never tested it's real limits. Or mabye your brother was taking it easy(very easy) on you since you're driving in such a prissy chariot.</span>

On-road, anything can beat the Rubicon...but in off-roading, Rubis are in a class of one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><span class="ev_code_RED">You can't compare with the H2, different class. Now **** off.</span>

BTW, A Toyota Tacoma (STOCK) can easily out perform a Rubicon in so many ways. Both can only sit two people with limited gear. Well not the Taco, I mean the Rubi has non-exsistant cargo area.

Until you've gone where H2's have gone, you can only speculate. That's not good enough. I highly doubt you'll have the balls to wheel with the TEXANS. Prove me wrong.

Thai

05-05-2005, 01:35 AM

Dennis, boy, someone has a complex!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would bet that more Rubicon owners off-road than H2's.

So, are you saying military jeeps of old days had Dana 44 and lockers at both ends?? Wow...you gotta love what you learn thru the internet these days...sarcasm! Hint: you're full of it.

Yeah, i don't off-road at all...i just talk out of my a$$. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh yeah, i am so jealous of H2's...my G-wagen cannot compare at all! H2's are the best in the whole wide world! (Sarcasm again FYI) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sissy chariot?? That is too funny! I won't even start cracking jokes about H2...there are plenty...just do a google search!

Tacoma vs. Rubicon...i love your explanation. H2 cargo space must be great for carrying spare tie rods! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif What planet are you on?? Oh wait, you're Canadian. (Just kidding.)

Your post is too funny...the stuff you said gets dumb and dumber. I gotta save your post for future reference!

Dude, can't you read bud?? I said that i would LOVE to go out with Texan H2 group. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Picture is of Imogene Pass in Colorado.

PhillyPhreak

05-05-2005, 02:08 AM

I have to agree with Thai on a few things....My 97 tj with 5 1/2 of lift lockers and a ford 8.8 rear was a beast off-road....I've driven rubi's and they are pretty capable stock ( I prefer a little lift) The new longer wheel based rubi is what I would buy if I were in the market for a new jeep.

DennisAJC

05-05-2005, 04:35 AM

Where did you hack that photo from? Benzworld?

That looks HARDCORD! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Nice try Mr. ****tybeef.

Is THAT why you come to an H2 Forum to try and justify your neighbor's Dodge G500? Your subtle but obvious stabs at the H2?

The members here can easily afford a Rubi. But why would most of us want to lose comfort, space, stability, looks, cargo, to name a few. Rubicon is nice but a different class. Don't compare.

BTW. If you wheel with the Texans, by the looks of it, you'll have to drop out when the gravel road ends.

Get us a REAL picture of your ride. Don't steal someone else's POS picture.

My other vehicle is a Mercedes CL500(I always feel like I've downgraded when I drive it) and I DO belong to that club.What's your member name on Benzworld? Care to share that? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I already know you're a lying ****bag trying to stir the pot.

Still haven't proved me wrong and I expect you won't be.

Thai

05-05-2005, 10:11 AM

Dennis, how many times are you going to put your foot in your mouth?? Are you retarded?? You make other Canadians look bad! You know, i don't insult you...why are you so insulting to me?? You give Hummer owners a bad name.

The picture is from Benzworld.org because your forum does not let me post big pictures (see my link below). So, i had to post them first on benzworld (which resizes automatically) and then link it here.

Here are some more pictures from my trip to Colorado:

My Colorado Pictures (http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5881&highlight=colorado+and+thai)

As you can see, my G500 was stock when i did those Passes in Colorado in 9/04. I am pretty much still stock now except for new rims and tires.

DO YOU NEED ANY OTHER PROOF?? Kiss my a$$.

Since you're on Benzworld.org, why don't you do a SEARCH with my name, "Thai". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Dodge G500?! What does Dodge have to do with G500?? G500 is military-grade and purely original with heritage. READ UP ON G500 before posting...please!

BTW, do you know where the H2 came from??!! Hint: CHEVY. Yeah, i am jealous of that "heritage."

You are embarrassing the members of this forum with your stupid accusations and antics! Let's see, so far, i have proven you WRONG at every turn.

Thanks for the great laugh. Keep it coming.

Thai

05-05-2005, 10:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
IMHO, i don't see the H2 being in the same class as the Rubicon in off-roading...size & weight alone put the Rubicon ahead. Then you add in Dana 44 solid axles front & rear with gear-based lockers (and rear gear-LSD) and it's not even a fair fight. <span class="ev_code_RED">Funny, those were a few of the main reasons the U.S. Military dumped the Jeep.</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dennis, are you saying that Military jeep wranglers in WWII had Dana 44 axles and lockers?? Ya know, that's what you wrote.

Care to share the PROOF behind your statements??!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
BTW, A Toyota Tacoma (STOCK) can easily out perform a Rubicon in so many ways. Both can only sit two people with limited gear. Well not the Taco, I mean the Rubi has non-exsistant cargo area. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, based on your words, a Tacoma is better than Rubicon because of cargo capacity?? That's your only criteria?? You know, a minivan must be better than Tacoma for the same reason! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Your total lack of knowledge in off-roading is clearly showing. Show me where else the Tacoma is superior to Rubicon??

You're embarrassing yourself...if i were you, then i would run and hide under a rock.

maz

05-05-2005, 11:40 AM

Hey PhilD,

Now I am offended. I happen to be one of those Pimp Your Ride guys wo simply enjoys my H2 for differant reasons soem some others do. I think it all boils down to why one bought to begin with. Becuase of my career and the amount of time travelling the four corners of the world, I know I do not enjoy half of what the vehicle has to offer. However I bought mine to drive around, shine it, drive it around a little more. I have an '04 with 207 miles on it. Granted I do not drive it as much as I like. But it sure makes my garage look nice.

of my <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
There's plenty of people here with respect for Jeeper's that wheel. There is an anti H2 feeling among certain Jeep owners, mainly the ones with tires so big there is no room for any articulation in the wheel well, etc. Obviously, that creates a backlash towards such people.

Just as not all Jeep folks are not like that, not all H2's are Pimp My Ride mall queens.

Here's some pics from our last outing, there were as many Jeep's as H2's and everyone got along just great;

http://www.*******club.com/events/050430/index.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Longhorn

05-05-2005, 11:47 AM

maz-

Boo hoo. So sorry you're offended. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

No really. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Shouldn't you be off to one of the corners now? Buh bye.

h2co-pilot

05-05-2005, 11:49 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by maz:
Hey PhilD,

Now I am offended. I happen to be one of those Pimp Your Ride guys wo simply enjoys my H2 for differant reasons soem some others do. I think it all boils down to why one bought to begin with. Becuase of my career and the amount of time travelling the four corners of the world, I know I do not enjoy half of what the vehicle has to offer. However I bought mine to drive around, shine it, drive it around a little more. I have an '04 with 207 miles on it. Granted I do not drive it as much as I like. But it sure makes my garage look nice.

of my [QUOTE]

Bling on mang, Bling on!!!!

ckhagman

05-05-2005, 11:53 AM

What makes me sick about this thread is the guy keeps calling it a G500. Your just making your military heritaged vehicle sound wimpy. Call it what it is. Galandewagen.

Dallion

05-05-2005, 12:01 PM

Wow that’s some pretty fierce off-roading you were doing in your G-wagon, I never would have attempted the rocky-12-degree-hill-that-looks-like-my-neighbors-driveway obstacle. Maybe you can Photoshop it and show me the line you took incase I ever have to go to his house. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As far as the H2's DNA (heritage as you call it) well it is still assembled by AM General. GM purchased the rights to use the 'Hummer' name, as well as provided their basic truck platform for the vehicle to be built off of, which was then modified heavily. Did most of the parks come from the GM Parts bin? Sure they did. Does that make the H2 an inferior vehicle because of it? Absolutely not.

Parts are parts. No matter who manufactures them, at some point someone has to make them. I fail to see the relevance of 'who makes the part' lets all laugh because most of the parts on your G say 'Daimler-Chrysler' on them.

Your G is a 2004 model, which is well after the Daimler-Chrysler merger. All of the engineering now (and since 2000) has been done in the United States, by Chrysler engineers. They are also the ones responsible the new mall-queen G-Wagon that’s going to replace the model you currently drive.

My point here is that a manufacture does not make a vehicle inferior solely because of their name. The main thing that makes any off-road vehicle a poor performer is an inexperienced driver.

I have been on off-roading trips where posers in HEAVILY modified Jeeps (yes some of them even Rubicon’s) failed to keep up with us after one or two obstacles. Likewise I have wheeled with folks who kept up with me fine in a Nissan Pathfinder with mud tires and a 4" lift.

See my point? It's not what you drive; it’s how you drive it. And yes I am educated and informed on the history and development of Hummers, all the way back to the HMMWV. But if you would like some reference material to educate yourself, there is a wonderful book available by clicking here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0760318638/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-0591110-4704041#reader-link)

maz

05-05-2005, 12:13 PM

PhilD,

Not sure if you are trying to be amusing or simply sarcastic. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif But stereotyping H2 owners into 2 catagories; bush buggy operators and "mall queens" is not doing H2 operators any justice. In fact it is playing into the hands of those tree hugging grads that think we should only commute by bus.

With regards to my travelling, all that I can say is we do not all have the luxury of living and working in the same location. However being stuck in disneyland and not able to find the exit is not my definition of fun either. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LonghornRockcrawler:
maz-

Boo hoo. So sorry you're offended. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

No really. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Shouldn't you be off to one of the corners now? Buh bye. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That is too funny! Of course I'm far too polite to say such things, but you do have a point http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

jfox

05-05-2005, 12:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
...However being stuck in disneyland and not able to find the exit is not my definition of fun either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that sounds like fun to me!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

J.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 12:22 PM

Damn, I didn't have the patience to pay any attention to this before. Some guy in a G-wagon on an H2 forum praising a rubi....... It all just gets old sometimes. Anyway, I decided to scan the posts and there is this one sentence that might change this conversation. It will be interesting to see. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhillyPhreak:
The new longer wheel based rubi is what I would buy if I were in the market for a new jeep. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thai-baby, you see. You can read all of the 4x4 magazines, pretend to know all you want to know. It all doesn't trump experience. Dana 44, crawl ratio, locker, solid axles........ All of that doesn't mean crap if it isn't packaged correctly. It is the sum of the parts that make a vehicle work, not the individual parts and to have one or two supposedly better components is not going to overcome other inherent bad designs. Wheeling it and testing is the way you determine, not spouting statistics and component names.

So, if one of us were to go to a G-wagon site and say that the H2 can wheel better than the G, you think the members of that site are just going to lay down and not say anything (even though it would be correct).

Longhorn

05-05-2005, 12:49 PM

Maz-

Phil is a really nice guy and would never intentionally stereotype or judge you.

I, (on the other hand) think you're a sniffling little whiner whose fishing for sympathy and attention. Maybe I'm wrong, but your track record of 10 lack luster posts has made me lose a several IQ points.

You'd better leave now so you don't miss your Lufthansa connection in Franfurt. Buh bye.

maz

05-05-2005, 01:59 PM

Well, my apologies Phil, I thought that those comments were sent from you.

However Longhornrockcrawler a.k.a Bovine prairie oyster fondler, I am not looking for attention nor am I a whiner. It is interesting to see that you have the ability to past judgment on someone without even knowing him. You need to understand that cow patties are not rocks regardless on how big they are.

Granted I am a new user of the forum. Big deal. So were you at one point. So what if I have asked others, opinions on certain items that interest ME. I could care less if they interest you or not. Non-traditional “Longhorn” breeding techniques do not concern me. By the way what size of a rubber boot do you wear anyways? For the record, I am here to exchange information that might prove helpful to me and possibly someone else. PERIOD. Being a clown like you with wiseass comments makes me think that your chewing tobacco has affected more then the color of your teeth, if you still have any.

You are unfortunately the exact stereotypical H2 owner that I do not want to be part of. You are the reason why some of us get cussed at; as some of the public see us H2 owners as don’t give a **** about anything kind of people. Thank God I do not live close to your inbred sorry ass as I can only imagine what reputation your mouth generates in PR for other local H2 owners.

By the way I can see that your knowledge of Germany is little to none. The name of the city is Frankfurt. Spend more time with your websters and less time sniffing gas and you might come off as something more then a person that survived Waco or was that Wacko?

Thai

05-05-2005, 02:38 PM

I did not bring up any insults to H2...until one of your members insulted my ride.

As far as praising Rubicon, please re-read what i wrote.

In fact, did i even mentiion H2 vs. G500 until one of you guys mentioned it (and insult me in the process).

The only things that DC added to G-wagen were interior and stability control. Lockers, axles, and frame have been around for years...25 years to be exact.

If you go to JeepsUnlimited.com, then you will see that most off-roaders use the Rubicon as the starting point in their mods. If you were to buy the Rubicon-equivalent parts aftermarket, your Jeep will be MORE expensive than the Rubicon price. Price it out for yourself.

Paragon...so, are you saying that the Rubicon is not packaged right from the factory?? From what i hear, the Rubicon package is quite durable & reliable.

Sfox, doesn't Jeep have events for owners too?? As for H2 owners offroadig more than Jeep's, i doubt it. There is as much bling-bling H2 owners as G-wagen's. Jeep owners have forever held the title for highest percentage of off-roading among all manufacturers.

Again, i hate Jeeps...except the Rubicon, which i think is a great package. Like you guys, it's just not very appealing as an overall package for me to buy. My G-wagen is my daily driver, along with being my off-roading ride. I don't plan on putting Swampers or lift my G...because i also want durability, safety, and reliability. I just want a rig that will travel to most places (scenic places), like Utah & Colorado.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 02:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thai:
If you go to JeepsUnlimited.com, then you will see that most off-roaders use the Rubicon as the starting point in their mods. If you were to buy the Rubicon-equivalent parts aftermarket, your Jeep will be MORE expensive than the Rubicon price. Price it out for yourself.

Paragon...so, are you saying that the Rubicon is not packaged right from the factory?? From what i hear, the Rubicon package is quite durable & reliable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Perhaps you need to re-read what you write yourself.

But, no, if that's what I wanted to say, I would have said that. I said what I said and I'll add to it. You spouted components and statistics in deference to experience. Simply put the vehicle as a whole is what matters. It's quite ignorant to argue that the rubi is better because it's smaller and can fit between two rocks. I mean, using that logic, an ATV would be a better option. The point that many have tried to make is that the stance of the H2 provides more stability than the rubi in many situations. Not many here are knocking the rubi nor are suggesting that the H2 "beats" the rubi in every wheeling situation but you are a G-wagon owner arguing about the rubi in an H2 forum and you don't have the experience to make the argument. So, I guess, why are you here arguing?

Hart1

05-05-2005, 03:13 PM

I do love my Pinz.....

http://www.offroaders.com/readers/images2/Pinzguer/Pinzgauer-action8.jpg

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/groups/g_10043375/Baja+California+--+San+Felipe/Hart+playing+on+the+beach.jpg?bcQmleCB.wz0eiMc

Harley

05-05-2005, 03:26 PM

http://www.offroaders.com/readers/pinzgauer.htm

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 03:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
I do love my Pinz..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You love your VW buses too, don't you.

maz

05-05-2005, 03:55 PM

I could not agree with you more. The use of the truck is entirely up to the purchaser. I further agree that some of the mods such as 24 inch rims certainly imair my ability to go wheeling in the back 40. However I nder purchased the vehicle for that. I use my atv and argo for that purpose. But again to each his own.

I just think that the use of such discritptives can be expected from someone who dislikes the H2. However I would have hoped that all H2 owners share a common interest in that they enjoy their vehicle regardless of the purpose the purchased it for. To pigeon hole a vehicle because of a few modifications such as the application of 24" rims and call it a mall queen I think is a bit much. Remember I can always change up tot he stocks and go 4 wheeling with the best of them.

Longhorn

05-05-2005, 05:02 PM

Ok maz-

You get a break now. Thanks for sending a little bs back my way. This is all in good fun. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ok, my turn. I don't really understand the boot comment but I wear a size 15. Translation: it will go along way up your silly Canadian ass, eh?

Nobody hates you. No one here is discriminating against you because your truck has never seen dirt. Put away the soapbox and stop being such a martyr.

I have first hand knowledge of Frankfurt. My spelling typo only proves that my IQ is indeed rapidly dropping as a result of your moronic posts. To that end, I should probably throw in the towel before I drop below 90. I don't have much intellect to spare.

Thanks for playing. Its good to see you can dish it back.

maz

05-05-2005, 05:25 PM

Thanks for the reply.

Actually I am an Amercian living in Canada because I cannot stand the puke of a President that you Texans elected to send to DC. If that is the best you got, it is no wonder why your IQ is slipping.

So before you start thinking about my "silly Canadian ass Eh, you need to take a little vacation from thos longhorns as my ass has about as much hair. If that is appealing to you, then maybe you have just startted a new subcatagory of hummer owners; "bush queen".

maz

05-05-2005, 05:27 PM

Good enough for me Phil. Happy trails.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 05:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
I could not agree with you more. The use of the truck is entirely up to the purchaser. I further agree that some of the mods such as 24 inch rims certainly imair my ability to go wheeling in the back 40. However I nder purchased the vehicle for that. I use my atv and argo for that purpose. But again to each his own.

I just think that the use of such discritptives can be expected from someone who dislikes the H2. However I would have hoped that all H2 owners share a common interest in that they enjoy their vehicle regardless of the purpose the purchased it for. To pigeon hole a vehicle because of a few modifications such as the application of 24" rims and call it a mall queen I think is a bit much. Remember I can always change up tot he stocks and go 4 wheeling with the best of them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Let me get this straight. Your little spazzed out hissy-fit is because of the quote below from Phil. This one solitary sentence spun you around so much that you felt directly offended and further felt the need to defend yourself. By the way, you are the only one here that even knew you were driving the pimped out mall queen. You could have just moved on and said nothing and no one would have been the wiser. Now everyone knows, and also knows that you have some sort of complex about it. So much so that you feel a person that didn't even know you existed singled you out with the following post.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
Just as not all Jeep folks are not like that, not all H2's are Pimp My Ride mall queens. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

h2co-pilot

05-05-2005, 05:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Thanks for the reply.

Actually I am an Amercian living in Canada because I cannot stand the puke of a President that you Texans elected to send to DC. If that is the best you got, it is no wonder why your IQ is slipping.

So before you start thinking about my "silly Canadian ass Eh, you need to take a little vacation from thos longhorns as my ass has about as much hair. If that is appealing to you, then maybe you have just startted a new subcatagory of hummer owners; "bush queen". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I take harsh words towards our President as highly offensive.

maz

05-05-2005, 05:42 PM

Firstly, I made the comment to Phil not you. So understand your place here. I understand Phil's comment was not directed at me and never suggested such.

The point that I am trying to make is rather then divide and conquer, H2 owners should be united in the love of the vehicle and not catagorize the vehicle into sub-catagories. Nothing more nothing less.

As for my complex, the only one I am starting to have is understanding why some GI Joe wanna be like you sticks his nose into my comment to another person.

maz

05-05-2005, 05:43 PM

Then obviously i know who you voted for.

Harley

05-05-2005, 05:46 PM

Alright, Maz, THAT was uncalled for... There was no call for any Anti-American comments here... I put up with your whiny defense of your "mall queen" ass. You should probably stay in Canada, dumb****.

K

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 05:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Firstly, I made the comment to Phil not you. So understand your place here. I understand Phil's comment was not directed at me and never suggested such.

The point that I am trying to make is rather then divide and conquer, H2 owners should be united in the love of the vehicle and not catagorize the vehicle into sub-catagories. Nothing more nothing less.

As for my complex, the only one I am starting to have is understanding why some GI Joe wanna be like you sticks his nose into my comment to another person. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You're slightly stupid aren't you? Didn't make good grades? Let's see if everything is straight here. You just said in the quote above, "I understand Phil's comment was not directed at me and never suggested such."

Yet in your first post, you said that you take offense. So now, we, as other forum members, are not free to comment on your stupid comments because they were not directed at us. Makes stupid sense. The point you are making is that you are just wanting to be dumb. You did the President, GI Joe, blah blah blah stuff just to inflame, so understand your place here. You are now the whipping post.

maz

05-05-2005, 05:52 PM

Trading information is great!

Look around and you will see there are more people in the world with my opinion of GW then the position you hold. Maybe not in Texas but again in the world.

As for my H2 lets get it straight, is it a princess or a queen. Since it is a year old, maybe lets stick with the princess.

With respect to your comment about wheeling, I can only say if you enjoy it, then great. Wheeling has nothing to do with being a man or not. In fact I can argue that you are trying to prove yourself in the hills as you obviously have not in society.

My H2 is one of a many a trophies. I work hard, I stay hard and enjoy my life like no other.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
See Maz,
I was gonna be nice and all, but then you had to go and bash on GW...that wasn't Hummer related. Then to compound that with a slam on Texas...well, it's on!

See the problem is, you wanted to buy into the Hummer image without acutally having the nuts to take your rig off-road. We, the wheelers, live the life you like to pretend you engage in with your street princess. Your response to the mall queen comment is a direct reflection of the fact that you know you weren't man enough to wheel your H2 and in fact ruined a great truck by putting those trashy 22" rims on it.....ain't information exchange fun? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

maz

05-05-2005, 05:56 PM

Nothing anti-American about not liking GW. I love America and always will.

GW and the good old US of A have as much in common as crude oil and Wisconsin.

Not likig our President is what makes the USA so great. We have the opportunity to speak what we feel.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 05:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Trading information is great!

Look around and you will see there are more people in the world with my opinion of GW then the position you hold. Maybe not in Texas but again in the world. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>There is one of the great comments that will change life as we know. Well ****. All of us in the USA are wrong because the rest of the world has the same opinion as some idiot from Canada that buys a vehicle made for the off-road with ****ty gas mileage just to boost a failed ego. Let's see. I guess that's why people die and kill to try to come to this country. They so much want to be able to vote out George Bush that they risk death to get here. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Hart1

05-05-2005, 05:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> You love your VW buses too, don't you.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, about as much as you love Chevy Tahoes' http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hart1

05-05-2005, 06:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We have the opportunity to speak what we feel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy, have you got the wrong crowd.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Nothing anti-American about not liking GW. I love America and always will.

GW and the good old US of A have as much in common as crude oil and Wisconsin.

Not likig our President is what makes the USA so great. We have the opportunity to speak what we feel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You're not an American and you don't live here. You don't have the priviledge. Learn what it means to be an American first, then try to talk.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:01 PM

Klaus

05-05-2005, 06:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
I am an Amercian living in Canada because I cannot stand the puke of a President that you Texans elected to send to DC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sound just like the sniveling, whining, momma's boy draft dodgers that ran off to Canada 40 years ago. Do you carry around pictures of Jane Fonda and Ho Chi Minh? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

h2co-pilot

05-05-2005, 06:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
See Maz,
I was gonna be nice and all, but then you had to go and bash on GW...that wasn't Hummer related. Then to compound that with a slam on Texas...well, it's on!

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hart1

05-05-2005, 06:09 PM

You make my point. yes, but to compare the Pinz to VW is like comparing Hummer to Chevy......it is really night and day.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Oh yes, but to compare the Pinz to VW is like comparing Hummer to Chevy......it is really night and day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Then why are you comparing the two? You idiot, I haven't put the two in the same post.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:15 PM

Trying to retract the yes answer to the ownership of the VW buses, are we? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We have the opportunity to speak what we feel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Boy, have you got the wrong crowd.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>How is it that anyone here suppresses what anyone else says as long as it is not fully profane. Just as you have your opporunity to speak what you feel, so does everyone else, even if it is in rebuttal. Just because someone else's comments make more sense than yours does not equate to suppressing your speech.

maz

05-05-2005, 06:21 PM

**** for brains,

Taking offense at a comment not directed at me is more then possible. Look at the people who are offended at my dislike for GW.

Klaus

05-05-2005, 06:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Just because someone else's comments make more sense than yours does not equate to suppressing your speech. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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maz

05-05-2005, 06:23 PM

I buy trophies, I sell trophies. I even shoot trophies.

Not listening to the Canadian press. Press is paper, hard ot listen to a newsppaer. You must mean media. Don't care for the canadian media all that much. They are too much pro GW.

maz

05-05-2005, 06:24 PM

Actually the die trying to come to the US i order to secure a vote and get him back to the dust bowl they call Texas.

maz

05-05-2005, 06:26 PM

No just man enough to speak my mind while others only think it.

maz

05-05-2005, 06:27 PM

Born in Largo, Florida. Do not live there by choice.
Have the priviledge. Elected not to exercise at the current time.

maz

05-05-2005, 06:28 PM

I was born in 64, so guess you need to think again.

maz

05-05-2005, 06:30 PM

Everyone can speak what the feel. I think that this is most evident. What a great place we all live to be able to sound off and say what we want to say.

maz

05-05-2005, 06:32 PM

Klaus,

I agree. DC is really starting to stink. Inducstial strength Febreeze won't even work at this stage.

Klaus

05-05-2005, 06:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Born in Largo, Florida. Do not live there by choice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank God you left this country. Stay gone as long as you can. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
**** for brains,

Taking offense at a comment not directed at me is more then possible. Look at the people who are offended at my dislike for GW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Go back.... Hell first go back to 1974 when you were supposed to be in school but was instead screwing around smoking joints. Try to remember the part about reading comprehension. My post about taking offense was the irony in the fact that you took offense to something not directed at you, but turned around and said that no one else could post about something they were offended by because the post was not directed at them. I tried to use the least amount of words and no puncuation that time. Did you get it? Did ya?

Hart1

05-05-2005, 06:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Then why are you comparing the two? You idiot, I haven't put the two in the same post. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You did not have to, the implication was clear, unless you really can't connect two thoughts at once and you just want to talk about VWs...

PS: Loose the name calling. It really does not help your case one bit.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
I buy trophies, I sell trophies. I even shoot trophies.

Not listening to the Canadian press. Press is paper, hard ot listen to a newsppaer. You must mean media. Don't care for the canadian media all that much. They are too much pro GW. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, well, well. Speaking of feces for grey matter. Umm.... could you do me a favor and release your cranium from your rectum. Back in the States, the Press is considered.....the Press. As in the news media, reporters, etc. Pretty common but hey you don't live here.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
PS: Loose the name calling. It really does not help your case one bit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Why, is it too tight? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
You did not have to, the implication was clear, unless you really can't connect two thoughts at once and you just want to talk about VWs... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What the hell are you talking about. The only implication I made was that your injection to this conversation of Pinzgauers was as useful and pertinent as the fact that you love and use to own VW Buses. But you still avoid the question. I'll ask it again. Did you own a VW Bus?

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Actually the die trying to come to the US i order to secure a vote and get him back to the dust bowl they call Texas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Was this supposed to be a comprehendable sentence?

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
No just man enough to speak my mind while others only think it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Man enough to speak your mind while others only think your mind? Maybe that's your problem. Your doing to much speaking and not enough thinking.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
I was born in 64, so guess you need to think again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Jelly Beans

Did I win?

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 06:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Everyone can speak what the feel. I think that this is most evident. What a great place we all live to be able to sound off and say what we want to say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You don't live here, sorry.

KenP

05-05-2005, 06:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Enjoy your trophy/useless truck Maz it's probably the most worthwhile part of your life. When you turn your back on our country like you have, their ain't much point to ya anymore. People sweated, suffered, and died to ensure the hgihest quality country in the world. You "fled" (i.e. chicken-****) to Canada instead of contributing to the future of a country that ensured yours, stay there you ungrateful piece of crap. Last post to respond to this loser, guys like him are worse than the terrorists, at least with them you know where you stand.

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Damn, another dumbass and I'm gone all day. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Seth, well put. Thanks.

Hart1

05-05-2005, 06:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> How is it that anyone here suppresses what anyone else says as long as it is not fully profane. Just as you have your opporunity to speak what you feel, so does everyone else, even if it is in rebuttal. Just because someone else's comments make more sense than yours does not equate to suppressing your speech.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhh, but what a heavy price some pay to speak when you are on line.

And this topic is a good example. Instead of exploring the reasons for the claims made by Maz, you go straight to name calling and insults. True, he dissed GW, but two wrongs donot a right make. There is nothing wrong with a good argument, exploring both sides, however, is seems you can't open your mouth without **** coming out. I swear I am back in high school when I read your "pronouncements."

I really wonder if your balls are this big in person, face to face?

maz

05-05-2005, 07:04 PM

You are such a piece of work. Let me guess, your mother and father were blood related.

I left for a better opportunity in my field of work. I make much better money here then I could possibly expect in the US. If this is wrong then I guess there are a lot of Americans that are wrong for pursuing the best economics for their personal situation.

I am sure if you were offered what I was, you wuld have relocated to North Korea if you could.

maz

05-05-2005, 07:05 PM

You are just another example of a very poor educational system that has not only failed me but most Americans.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 07:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Ahhh, but what a heavy price some pay to speak when you are on line.

And this topic is a good example. Instead of exploring the reasons for the claims made by Maz, you go straight to name calling and insults. True, he dissed GW, but two wrongs donot a right make. There is nothing wrong with a good argument, exploring both sides, however, is seems you can't open your mouth without **** coming out. I swear I am back in high school when I read your "pronouncements."

I really wonder if your balls are this big in person, face to face? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you getting you itty bitty feewings hurt. Ok, Mr. Enlightenment. Bible says eye for an eye. In the United States we execute some criminals. When someone shoots at me I shoot back and kill them. Etc. Etc. Etc. Don't be so dumb as to play high school footsie, especially with the back-handed attempt at calling me out. What chu wanna fight?

You just keep on spiraling. So, did you own a VW Bus or not?

maz

05-05-2005, 07:10 PM

Just because it is considered such in the US does not mean jack ****. It might be assumed to mean such, but it is far from correct. Press is print media nothing more nothing less. Look at the word numb nuts. Press as in printing press.

Never saw a press in a radio of TV station lately. Maybe you know better octogon.

Dallion

05-05-2005, 07:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
You are just another example of a very poor educational system that has not only failed me but most Americans. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find it hard to believe that you even own a Hummer. Are you sure your not some tree hugging troll attempting to use wit to get people fired up? And failing quite horribly at it.

If not then perhaps you need a thorough psychological evaluation, as typically people who trash Bush are tree hugging eco-nazi's, who drive little Prius' and cry and hold hands everytime a Hummer even passes them.

Have any pictures of your ride?

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 07:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
You are such a piece of work. Let me guess, your mother and father were blood related.

I left for a better opportunity in my field of work. I make much better money here then I could possibly expect in the US. If this is wrong then I guess there are a lot of Americans that are wrong for pursuing the best economics for their personal situation.

I am sure if you were offered what I was, you wuld have relocated to North Korea if you could. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Riiggghtttt!!! You know. Using that logic. I could live anywhere in the world I want to and still make the same kind of money I make now. It doesn't matter where I live for me to make the money I make. So, your point is..... oh, well you didn't have one.

maz

05-05-2005, 07:12 PM

Sorry working and having fun with you guys at the same time;

Actually they die trying to come to the US in order to secure a vote and get him back to the dust bowl they call Texas.

maz

05-05-2005, 07:12 PM

maybe you should practise what you preach

Klaus

05-05-2005, 07:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
I left for a better opportunity in my field of work. I make much better money here then I could possibly expect in the US. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Dennis,

Is is true? Does Canada really require Burger King to pay more? No wonder maz moved!

Here he is now:
maz in action (http://load.pquinn.com/binaries/fries)

maz

05-05-2005, 07:13 PM

what I mean by here is North America. And yes, I do live here.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 07:14 PM

maz

05-05-2005, 07:16 PM

if you are asking me, then you are wlecometo find out.

If you are talking to someone else then he can only tell you how bug his balls are.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> How is it that anyone here suppresses what anyone else says as long as it is not fully profane. Just as you have your opporunity to speak what you feel, so does everyone else, even if it is in rebuttal. Just because someone else's comments make more sense than yours does not equate to suppressing your speech.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhh, but what a heavy price some pay to speak when you are on line.

And this topic is a good example. Instead of exploring the reasons for the claims made by Maz, you go straight to name calling and insults. True, he dissed GW, but two wrongs donot a right make. There is nothing wrong with a good argument, exploring both sides, however, is seems you can't open your mouth without **** coming out. I swear I am back in high school when I read your "pronouncements."

I really wonder if your balls are this big in person, face to face? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 07:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
maybe you should practise what you preach </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you on drugs or something? Who are you talking to? Is is someone in your office?

maz

05-05-2005, 07:19 PM

You are right in the US we execute some criminals. The only nation out of the G7 that still does. What a great thig to brag about. You should also brag about the thousands that die in your country that are not criminals.

You must eat roadkill

KenP

05-05-2005, 07:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
maybe you should practise what you preach </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you on drugs or something? Who are you talking to? Is is someone in your office? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks Paragon, he makes these little one and two sentence posts with no references.

maz

05-05-2005, 07:23 PM

See there you go again trying to pigeon hole everyone here. I never signed a Republican party membership card when I took ownership of my H2. If I had to, then I wuld be driving a VW bus, maybe.

I have a great 2004 H2. Love it. Not a tree hugger eventhough we have many more trees up here to hug then where you probally live. Just don't like GW or his father.

maz

05-05-2005, 07:25 PM

The point is I do not have to live in the US to be an American. I do not have to love the Republican party, GW or GW SR. to be an American.

If you think differant, then you have lots to learn and you better spot living under rocks octagon.

maz

05-05-2005, 07:26 PM

did I miss something?

maz

05-05-2005, 07:27 PM

another H2 owner actually!

maz

05-05-2005, 07:28 PM

Ken P,

Sorry I am past the stage of drawing pics for you mindless folk.

Dallion

05-05-2005, 07:30 PM

Uh huh yep

Dallion

05-05-2005, 07:31 PM

If not now why not tomorrow?

Dallion

05-05-2005, 07:31 PM

If thats the way your rooster struts no wonder it hasn't laid any eggs!

Dallion

05-05-2005, 07:31 PM

See I can make mindless one sentence posts too http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Does that make me omnipotent? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 07:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
did I miss something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>boy, did you ever. But I'll give you one thing, you are a reacher.

From the beginning you have reached for **** that is non-existent. From your first post to introducing the President to this, to now saying something about the Republican Party for some reason. Have you ever had a complete thought?

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 07:47 PM

How about Hart and Maz start a thread together and we'll all just watch.

NoMoGMPG

05-05-2005, 07:48 PM

How about a pic showing stock H2 capability...(trying to bring the thread back)..

NoMoGMPG

05-05-2005, 07:51 PM

and another pic...

maz

05-05-2005, 07:53 PM

if your rooster has laid eggs you got a bigger problem!

NoMoGMPG

05-05-2005, 07:53 PM

How about a stock H1...

maz

05-05-2005, 07:54 PM

no not really

maz

05-05-2005, 07:56 PM

Allow me to say sorry, if that helps you.

Hart1

05-05-2005, 07:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So, did you own a VW Bus or not? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I did. I owned a 1967 21 window Bus (made the trip twice to Burning Man in it 2002 & 2003, the last year I took the Pinzgauer BurningMan.com). Sold it some months ago, the Bus now resides in Japan.

I curently own a 1969 double cab Pick-up that is all stock and no rust, just needs a going over.

maz

05-05-2005, 07:57 PM

how about you just spin around until you fall over, **** and die

Harley

05-05-2005, 07:59 PM

Hey, GMP Guy, what's that sticking out off (it looks like the top of the brush guard) the red H1 above?

K

KenP

05-05-2005, 08:00 PM

How NOT to make friends on a new forum as illustrated by maz:

"However Longhornrockcrawler a.k.a Bovine prairie oyster fondler"
"You need to understand that cow patties are not rocks regardless on how big they are."
"Non-traditional “Longhorn” breeding techniques do not concern me"
"Being a clown like you with wiseass comments makes me think that your chewing tobacco has affected more then the color of your teeth, if you still have any."
"Then obviously i know who you voted for."
"Nothing anti-American about not liking GW. I love America and always will.

GW and the good old US of A have as much in common as crude oil and Wisconsin.

Not likig our President is what makes the USA so great. We have the opportunity to speak what we feel."
"**** for brains,..."
"I buy trophies, I sell trophies. I even shoot trophies."
"Actually the die trying to come to the US i order to secure a vote and get him back to the dust bowl they call Texas."
"No just man enough to speak my mind while others only think it."
"Born in Largo, Florida. Do not live there by choice.
Have the priviledge. Elected not to exercise at the current time"
"I was born in 64, so guess you need to think again."
"Everyone can speak what the feel. I think that this is most evident. What a great place we all live to be able to sound off and say what we want to say."
"You are such a piece of work. Let me guess, your mother and father were blood related."
"You are just another example of a very poor educational system that has not only failed me but most Americans."
"Actually they die trying to come to the US in order to secure a vote and get him back to the dust bowl they call Texas."
"maybe you should practise what you preach"
"what I mean by here is North America. And yes, I do live here."
"If you are talking to someone else then he can only tell you how bug his balls are."
"You must eat roadkill"
"If you think differant, then you have lots to learn and you better spot living under rocks octagon."
"did I miss something"
"another H2 owner actually!"
"if your rooster has laid eggs you got a bigger problem!"

And my favorite:
"Sorry I am past the stage of drawing pics for you mindless folk."
I hope this means you're leaving. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Dallion

05-05-2005, 08:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harley:
Hey, GMP Guy, what's that sticking out off (it looks like the top of the brush guard) the red H1 above?

K </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The license plate of the last Rubicon it ate http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

maz

05-05-2005, 08:03 PM

Guys it has been a blast. I am so happy to be able to work some of you guys up. It really shows that you up for the fight. Congrads to all of you who posted.

Gotta go now and remember "keep your stick on the ice".

PS. GW makes more noise then a cow pissing on a flat rock. but that is it, only noise. Glory be to God that worst is over.

Hart1

05-05-2005, 08:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Are you getting you itty bitty feewings hurt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, a little.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Hart1

05-05-2005, 08:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">PS. GW makes more noise then a cow pissing on a flat rock. but that is it, only noise. Glory be to God that worst is over. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you have not been to the Middle East lately, have you? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

NoMoGMPG

05-05-2005, 08:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harley:
Hey, GMP Guy, what's that sticking out off (it looks like the top of the brush guard) the red H1 above?

K </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is a bow wave break, to keep the water in front of the hood instead of over it.

Dave

Harley

05-05-2005, 08:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dallion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harley:
Hey, GMP Guy, what's that sticking out off (it looks like the top of the brush guard) the red H1 above?

K </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The license plate of the last Rubicon it ate http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's too funny http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

maz

05-05-2005, 08:15 PM

Hart1
posted 05-05-05 03:06 PM
quote:
PS. GW makes more noise then a cow pissing on a flat rock. but that is it, only noise. Glory be to God that worst is over.

Wow, you have not been to the Middle East lately, have you?

No I mean that his Presidency is coming to a close not his stupid ass mistakes. I know that Americans all over the world will have to pay the price for many a years.

Harley

05-05-2005, 08:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GMPartsGuy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harley:
Hey, GMP Guy, what's that sticking out off (it looks like the top of the brush guard) the red H1 above?

K </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is a bow wave break, to keep the water in front of the hood instead of over it.

Dave </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, Dave!
K

Harley

05-05-2005, 08:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Guys it has been a blast. I am so happy to be able to work some of you guys up. It really shows that you up for the fight. Congrads to all of you who posted.

Gotta go now and remember "keep your stick on the ice".

PS. GW makes more noise then a cow pissing on a flat rock. but that is it, only noise. Glory be to God that worst is over. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF??

BKLYNH2

05-05-2005, 08:27 PM

I think we have enough to report this guy t homeland security. Hey maz ever been to Cuba? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

DennisAJC

05-05-2005, 08:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Well ****. All of us in the USA are wrong because the rest of the world has the same opinion as some idiot from Canada that buys a vehicle made for the off-road with ****ty gas mileage just to boost a failed ego. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HEY! I thought we agreed to stay out of each other's hair?????? I resemble that comment! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DennisAJC

05-05-2005, 08:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by maz:
Born in Largo, Florida. Do not live there by choice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank God you left this country. Stay gone as long as you can. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't want him either. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 08:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
HEY! I thought we agreed to stay out of each other's hair?????? I resemble that comment! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>2 things. You wheel yours. And I don't have hair, not a lot anyway.

DennisAJC

05-05-2005, 08:45 PM

Thai,

I'll respect the fact that those pictures you posted are your interpretation of HARDCORE. If you believe your Benz demonstrated it's capabilities through those pictures well bravo to you.

I have lost my touch when it comes to losing my temper on this Forum. But you must admit it is a little suspicious of you comming here and subtly putting down the H2 with ridiculous comparisons. All different rigs. But just remember, this is an H2 Forum. I'll react when I smell something bad here. No matter how retarded I sound some....most of the time.

maz

05-05-2005, 09:10 PM

I think we have enough to report this guy t homeland security. Hey maz ever been to Cuba?

Cuba, I have never been but looking to go there next year. Have you been there? Dumb question, Amercians can't go. Silly me.

PARAGON

05-05-2005, 09:12 PM

Oh, that's right. You CAN go because you're not American.

DennisAJC

05-05-2005, 09:32 PM

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KenP

05-05-2005, 10:16 PM

Thai

05-05-2005, 11:33 PM

Dennis, it's cool by me. I certainly did not mean to stir the pot THIS much.

Remember, i was stock at the time of the trip. I certainly do not want to try anything "Difficult" rated. But, if you're familiar with Colorado Passes, then you would know that some of the Passes i went thru are moderate levels...not bad for a SUV on highway (actually high-performance) tires!

Can the G- wagen do more? I am sure...but i was not going to test the limits (or even come close) when i still need a vehicle to drive 1000 miles back to home. Like i said earlier, i do not intend to make my G-wagen into an off-roading monster...it has to be comfy for daily driving too. Thus, i did not come into this thread raving how my G-wagen is better than H2 or H1.

But, to answer your questions, i do know something about off-roading.

Thai.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Thai,

I'll respect the fact that those pictures you posted are your interpretation of HARDCORE. If you believe your Benz demonstrated it's capabilities through those pictures well bravo to you.

I have lost my touch when it comes to losing my temper on this Forum. But you must admit it is a little suspicious of you comming here and subtly putting down the H2 with ridiculous comparisons. All different rigs. But just remember, this is an H2 Forum. I'll react when I smell something bad here. No matter how retarded I sound some....most of the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>