GMID vs GM Supplier Discount

[MCaussade]

Okay, I work for a company that allows me to use the GM Supplier Discount.... now in reading this site I see a lot of talk about this GMID price, can someone clear up what the difference is?? Also, who gets access to this GMID discount... Planning on getting an H3 within the next week or so...

[HoKC]

Pricing is the same between GMID and GM supplier. The biggest difference is that certain other programs are not compatible with one or the other. For example the GM card rebate money works with GMID but not with GM supplier. Check with your dealer for more details.

[MCaussade]

Originally posted by HoKC:
Pricing is the same between GMID and GM supplier. The biggest difference is that certain other programs are not compatible with one or the other. For example the GM card rebate money works with GMID but not with GM supplier. Check with your dealer for more details.

thanks for the reply, biggest reason i questioned whether it was the same was because i have read other threads saying GMID is 2% over invoice - and from what I looked at on the GMsupplier website, the price is NOT 2% over invoice...

[Agriv8r]

GM SUPLIER IS UNDER INVOICE ON ALL THE H3'S WE HAVE IN INVENTORY. PARTICIPATION BY THE DEALERSHIP IS VOLUNTARY AND IF THEY ACCEPT IT THEY WILL SHOW THE INVOICE TO VERIFY THE PRICE.

[Agriv8r]

Sorry for the capital letters I did not notice.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

If the GM SUPPLIER discount is below factory invoice them its a GREAT DEAL. Even if its at invoice its good because you don't have to HAGGEL.

BUT

If its above INVOICE you can do better beating up the salesman unless of course your in an area where there are very few dealers and they keep pointing to the window sticker when you ask the price.

DO NOT discuss ANY dealer accessories untill after you find the price of the base plus all the factory accessories because those prices are a known factor. Dealer accessories are a blind item (high profit) so do a lot of homework on them...

Being in Miami I have 5 dealers in a close area so was able to buy without DISCOUNT CERTIFICATES
at dealer invoice. If fact didn't purchase any dealer accessories.

Good luck

RYD

ps: before anyone says anything remember the money saved is better in your pocket instead of theirs...

[KJS]

GMID and Supplier are the same exact thing, the term is just used differently here and there. This is the discount that you get from a GM employee that is willing to issue one out to you, they are able to do two per month! OR or you work for a company that uses or buys X amount of GM vehicles and you get the discount b/c of being an employee there. No difference at all between "GMID" or "Supplier" other than term. This is usually 1-2% above invoice.

The "GMS" term thrown around is what an actual GM EMPLOYEE get for themselves, that price can not be passed on to someone, direct family only! And that discounts ranges from 1-5% below invoice!

Now I Know Agriv8r says in all his posts that GMID aka Supplier is less than invoice but I don't know how or what, maybe mixing Supplier and GMS, don't know and not trying to start anything over it but he is only one that shows that? Dunno...

I get Supplier/GMID through work so I have a user name and log-in to the Supplier website that allows you to search out details of any GM brand car or truck that is sitting on any GM Dealers lot in the Country and tells you the MSRP and Supplier / GMID price of it!

I have looked at pretty much every H3 at the two local dealers and not one of them is less than invoice, they are all approx 1-2% over. And the Supplier price on the GM site has never been different from the price on the invoice the dealership has shown, 100% to the penny the same, never different so far! Esp NOT less than invoice! The GMS price for GM EMPLOYEES ONLY, yes has been lower everytime, but that is not what you get for GMID/Supplier!

For example the main one I'm after

MSRP 38,115 , Supplier 34,871.10, Dealer Invoice 34,424......Supplier = $447 ABOVE invoice on this one and every other on the Supplier webiste.

If you have one you are after already I can tell you what it is just so we could compare! I just need to know zipcode, dealerships name, and the last few if not the whole VIN (and if it is a base, adventure, or lux would help too!). Only takes 3 mins to look it up

[walc]

I know Agriv8r is the GM of Hall Hummer, in Virginia Beach; but, he is confusing the GM Employee price ( below invoice ) with GM Supplier/ GID price ( about 1.75% over invoice ). Both GM Employee price and GM Supplier/GID are shown on the invoice, along with MSRP/sticker, invoice and holdback.
I just used GID, which I got from Mike E, of this forum, to buy an H2 SUT.
Here is a link to GM Supplier/GID prices (https://www.gmsupplierdiscount.com/ip-gmsupplier/).

[HoKC]

NOT TRUE!!!

The GM Supplier price is preprinted on all invoices and is higher than the invoice only when that dealer does not have any advertising. Most dealers have advertising built in from the factory because the factory kicks in a certain amount of matching funds. The end result is that the invoice price on the same vehicle can vary slightly between dealers if they have a different ad program set up. MOST (but not all) dealers use about 3% advertising, in that case the GM Supplier & GMID will be below dealer invoice. It will be the same regardless of which dealer you are at and what they have for advertising.

[walc]

Originally posted by HoKC:
NOT TRUE!!!

The GM Supplier price is preprinted on all invoices and is higher than the invoice only when that dealer does not have any advertising. Most dealers have advertising built in from the factory because the factory kicks in a certain amount of matching funds. The end result is that the invoice price on the same vehicle can vary slightly between dealers if they have a different ad program set up. MOST (but not all) dealers use about 3% advertising, in that case the GM Supplier & GMID will be below dealer invoice. It will be the same regardless of which dealer you are at and what they have for advertising.

What isn't true?
Look at the GM Supplier/GID prices at link (https://www.gmsupplierdiscount.com/ip-gmsupplier/) and you will see they are about 1.75% over factory invoice.

[HoKC]

You are not taking into account that different dealers have different invoice pricing.

[walc]

Originally posted by HoKC:
You are not taking into account that different dealers have different invoice pricing.

What are you saying?
You can search specific dealer inventory, through the GM Supplier site, and see the window sticker, msrp and supplier price for vehicles, in stock, at each dealership.

[HoKC]

What you are not seeing is the invoice price which can vary depending on the amount of advertising that the dealer has built in.

[HoKC]

Give me the last 8 of the VIN# on several from differing dealerships and I will show you what I mean.

[walc]

Originally posted by HoKC:
Give me the last 8 of the VIN# on several from differing dealerships and I will show you what I mean.

I understand that dealer's invoice ( price paid to GM ) can vary, by a few hundred dollars, on identical vehicles, depending on co-op advertising assessments. However, GM Supplier/GID price is still over invoice by 1.75 to 2%.

[HoKC]

Here are some examples using actual vehicles and the same MSRP from differing dealers.

MSRP Invoice GM Supplier (GMID)
29500 28075.75 27599.43
29500 27942.65 27599.43
29500 27858.74 27599.43
29500 27908.58 27599.43
29500 27931.08 27599.43
29500 27207.70** 27599.43
**No Advertising in this invoice

[HoKC]

Notice the variance in invoice but all Supplier pricing is under invoice. With a little more time I could find one that did not have as much advertising and it would be over invoice in that case only. The majority by a long shot will have advertising though.


Added one with no advertising at all.

[walc]

A base Hummer H3, according to both MSN Autos and Edmunds.com, has an MSRP of $29,500., including $565. freight, and an invoice price of $27,185., including $565. freight.
An individual dealer's invoice may be as much a few hundred higher, with co-op advertising assessments. However, GM Supplier/GID price is still over invoice.

[HoKC]

You may be missing the point that MSN Autos and Edmunds.com are both estimates. The numbers I posted are from actual vehicles and show that only in the case of a vehicle having NO advertising (which almost none do) is the Supplier price is ABOVE invoice.

[walc]

Originally posted by HoKC:
You may be missing the point that MSN Autos and Edmunds.com are both estimates. The numbers I posted are from actual vehicles and show that only if a vehicle has NO advertising (which almost none do) then the Supplier price is BELOW invoice.

Following your figures, don't you mean ABOVE?

[HoKC]

Yes, only if there is no advertising is the Supplier price above invoice.

[walc]

Originally posted by HoKC:
You may be missing the point that MSN Autos and Edmunds.com are both estimate....

I have compared MSN Autos and Edmunds prices, to actual dealer invoices, on numerous occasions. They have always been "right on the money", except they don't show, and don't claim to show, co-op advertising assessments.

[HoKC]

Build a base 29500 msrp then and compare it to the ACTUAL vehicles on dealers lots that I have shown.

[HUMRCHIC]

I used my Uncles GM discount. He is retired from GM. I bought a H3 sticker priced at 39,995 and I paid 30,900 for it. That is a HUGE discount in my book and I even got the DVD players in the headrests and the 33" tire cover.

[walc]

Originally posted by HoKC:
Build a base 29500 msrp then and compare it to the ACTUAL vehicles on dealers lots that I have shown.

Are you looking at actual invoices? If so, your figures must be correct.
If not, how do I find each dealership's advertising assessment.
Unless I add advertising assessments, the GM Supplier price keeps showing as more than invoice price.

[walc]

Originally posted by HUMRCHIC:
I used my Uncles GM discount. He is retired from GM. I bought a H3 sticker priced at 39,995 and I paid 30,900 for it. That is a HUGE discount in my book and I even got the DVD players in the headrests and the 33" tire cover.

Now that is a GREAT deal!!!
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[MCaussade]

thanks everyone for helping me out with the info... now i have to decide whether the difference in "invoice" price and/or GM Supplier price would warrant driving an extra 50 miles to a farther dealership to save $$$...

another question... using the GM Supplier Discount, can I "build" an H3, or does the discount only apply to cars already on the lot?? (I ask because if you go to the gm supplier website it allows you to build all if not most other GM cars and price out the discount but not the HUMMER brand).... anyone know if the gm supplier discount applies if I'm building an H3??!????

[KJS]

So who can/will just post an actual dealer invoice showing the layout??

[HummerNewbie]

Yes, the discount is worth the extra 50 mile drive. You don't have to take it back to that dealer for service, you can use the closer one. Yes again to ordering an H3 and using the discount. Remember, the dealer does not have to accept the discount so they may push you to take one off the lot.

[aggiehummer...er]

Every H3 on our lot (and H2 for that matter) has a GMID/Supplier price below our invoice. Actual Hummer H3s, not Edmunds.com H3s.

[walc]

Originally posted by aggiehummer...er:
Every H3 on our lot (and H2 for that matter) has a GMID/Supplier price below our invoice. Actual Hummer H3s, not Edmunds.com H3s.

I'm sure you guys who sell Hummers must be correct.
Perhaps, as KJS suggested, one of you will post an illustrative invoice for the benefit of the rest of us. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Agriv8r]

KJS hit the mark with the advertising, because it is included in my invoices, my GMID/Supplier is less than invoice. remove the advertising from invoice and then the GMID is above invoice.

[walc]

Originally posted by Agriv8r:
KJS hit the mark with the advertising, because it is included in my invoices, my GMID/Supplier is less than invoice. remove the advertising from invoice and then the GMID is above invoice.

Therefore, a dealer who doesn't have co-op advertising would be much more likely to sell at GM Supplier price. For example, I bought my H2, at NuCar Hummer, in New Castle, DE. The invoice didn't show any advertising and GM Supplier price was about $700. over invoice.

[KJS]

Originally posted by Agriv8r: Absolutely, it is hard for us to do Supplier, we usually end up with a loser.

Now now we both know that is not true http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Even if Dealership sold for GMS or Dealer invoice the Dealership still makes a pretty decent amount of money for someone walking in, points to the one they want, and says that's the one, lets do the paperwork here is my GMID! Lets be honest that's, that's how most deals go down today anymore. The days of "selling" cars/trucks is way over b/c of the resources available to consumers now. Most know which one, what it has, what it cost, what they want to pay, throws out the number and that Dealership either wants to sell or the consumer goes to the next Dealership down the street that does!

Anywho, back on track....even if you sell at true cost, dealer invoice, GMID, or GMS, etc etc etc. the dealer still gets the HB (3% on Hummer MSRP minus dest), 3-5% reimbursement of the actual discount amount from GM for any GMID deals, plus any borderline shady tricks Finance may hide in there on a lease or purchase deal!

For an example, H3 Adventure

MSRP 38,115.00
GMID 34,871.10
Invoice 34,424.00 (no co-op)

So Dealer will be getting $447.10 right off the start for difference between GMID and Invoice. Next they get $1143.45 for holdback. And then approx $162 b/c of the GMID (3-5%, depends on model). I would say that a Dealership making $1752.74+ for someone just walking in saying you have an H3 with the VIN of _______ I would like to buy it,...is not all that bad at all! And that $1750+ is not counting any padding or hiding by Finance

[Agriv8r]

Good to a point. What you are leaving out is that most dealerships automatically place charges on the vehicles to help support the dealership. We check them in at invoice minus holdback and then add about 606 to every car state inspections, checking that all works right and labor for adding the roof rak or brushguard or steps that are sent separately. We have approx 3mill in inventory and need some profit to make the risk worthwhile, would you agree?

[Agriv8r]

Originally posted by KJS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Agriv8r: Absolutely, it is hard for us to do Supplier, we usually end up with a loser.

Now now we both know that is not true http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Even if Dealership sold for GMS or Dealer invoice the Dealership still makes a pretty profit </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you mean the coorporation makes a pretty profit at invoice, you must not be taking into account the 4000 dollar phone bill I get, 4000 in lights and so on...touching up defects or missing parts, keys. Mortgages/rent on property, there are expenses involved. There is room for negotiation, but dealerships cannot survive on Invoice, GMS, and GMID/Supplier selling.
A good deal is the one that does not require more than you could afford monthly, more down payment than you are comfortable with, fair money for your trade and then that only makes a deal good if you are in the car you wanted to buy or like.

[DDWH]

Originally posted by Agriv8r:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KJS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Agriv8r: Absolutely, it is hard for us to do Supplier, we usually end up with a loser.

Now now we both know that is not true http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Even if Dealership sold for GMS or Dealer invoice the Dealership still makes a pretty profit </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you mean the coorporation makes a pretty profit at invoice, you must not be taking into account the 4000 dollar phone bill I get, 4000 in lights and so on...touching up defects or missing parts, keys. Mortgages/rent on property, there are expenses involved. There is room for negotiation, but dealerships cannot survive on Invoice, GMS, and GMID/Supplier selling.
A good deal is the one that does not require more than you could afford monthly, more down payment than you are comfortable with, fair money for your trade and then that only makes a deal good if you are in the car you wanted to buy or like. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[Agriv8r]

every now and then have to input something for our side too!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

The definition of a GOOD DEAL (for both) is when both the

SELLER

AND

BUYER

are happy when the deal is complete...

RYD

[Dani]

Originally posted by HUMRCHIC:
I used my Uncles GM discount. He is retired from GM. I bought a H3 sticker priced at 39,995 and I paid 30,900 for it. That is a HUGE discount in my book and I even got the DVD players in the headrests and the 33" tire cover.


We looked into buying an H3 priced at $39,995 and were told that the GMS (employee pricing) was $34750. How did you manage to get it for $30,900?

[aggiehummer...er]

I have not yet seen an H3 with an exact MSRP of 39,995. On an H3 of that price, the GMS (GM discount) would be arond 35000.