high approach angle winch bracket photos

[Rogue H2]

I just thought it might spawn some other ideas

Doug

[Rogue H2]

I just thought it might spawn some other ideas

Doug

[Rogue H2]

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[Rogue H2]

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[Rogue H2]

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[Kevin B]

Rogue

Is that bracket strong enough to hold a 9000# pull? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Does warn O.K. rope with that winch? Last I heard they didn't speck those for rope due to possable heat issues

It is cool that you can open the hood with the winch installedhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. What were they thinking

[Buckeye Hummer]

God Damn it, why do I find this **** AFTER I spend the money. I keep looking at mine thinking it's going to get smashed at some point on the trail due to the decreased approach. Of course the question is can it handle the load?

[DRTYFN]

Cool! Where'd you get it? Does it rate 9000lbs minimum? How does it fold down? And most importantly, WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR GRILL DONE? Ooops, sorry. What kind of paint/coating is on the grill? very cool. Just what I need.

[Rogue H2]

The rope is a product called technora, low weight and almost no stretch. Tensile strength 18,000lbs it has a heat resistance of 400f. I believe Warn is testing this product for use. I had to buy a 600' roll and have 350'feet left. I can splice a hook and ship if interested. The bracket is rated at 10,000lbs in any position and in tests show no deflection in any position up to 30,000lbs.

[NVR STUCK]

More Info please! I have been wanting to install a winch. I don't want to give up the approach angle.

No Limits! You're Never Stuck in a Hummer!

[Fellow Off-Roader]

the heat issue with "rope" and winches is when you use the winch as a brake to lower a vehicle down something. the internal brake heats up and some "rope" cables have been damaged due to it. Warn does not recommend "rope" for my 15k winch, yet, as long as you know what to avoid, no problem.

looks like a very cool mount. does it somehow attach to your frame??

9k winch for a Hummer seems low; especially a Warn as the stall rate is lower than 9k. if you load it up and are stuck on a hill in mud even a double pull might not get you out. always read a general rule of thumb was 1.5 times your loaded vehicle vehicle.

still, if it fits what you're doing, its a nice design. don't forget to get the Warn winch accessory kit with the tree strap, etc. in it if you haven't already. there's also a good video on Bill Burke's 4wd America site called Unstuck!

"Bill Burke demonstrates three major recovery forms (winch, Hi-Lift Jack, and recovery straps) in detail using diverse stuck situations on actual Colorado trails with spectacular mountain scenery as a backdrop. Safety is stressed throughout. This tape is a must for every person who travels where a stuck situation is possible."

bb4wa.com

[Kevin B]

Rogue,

Who is this manufactured by? A "test" showing no deflection in any position up to 30,000 lbs, that doesnt sound right. That looks like the stock Warn cradle but the verticle piece going from the reciever to the cradle looks to be 7/16 to 1/2 inch thick(max) and less than 3" wide http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Im not trying to be a jerk but I can't believe that.

Are you sure your not the one making these and trying to sell them? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I would love to see some tech. data on these because I don't see how that mount could be that strong.(Im so close to calling Bull Crap)

BTW Nice jeep in the background(driveway). Done any mods on that?? Dont tell me you own a Jeep and a Hummer. That I CAN'T believe http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Rogue H2]

I made the bracket to solve a personal need on my personal vehicle. I saw the approach angle problem as soon as I installed the Warn multi-mount system. I cut the receiver tube from the Warn mount and custom fit it to an adjustable hitch system. The hitch system is factory rated to 10,000lbs and a call to their tech support during my design research revealed that they have unofficially tested these hitches to 30,000lbs without deflection. (his words not mine.) I do not manufacture this mount, but it looks like maybe I should. The mount is adjustable 8" up and down. The full up position would generate a lot of rotational stress on the hummer receiver mount that it probably wasn't designed for. If I need more than a moderate pull to get unstuck I will lower it to the latteral position. Yes that is my Jeep in the driveway.

[Kevin B]

Good job! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I Didn't even think about lowering it into the "straight out position" for a straight pull.

I love to play at fabracation myself, when I got my "multi mount" cradle I put some gussetts on the side and ran a few passes over the factory welds.

I am still concerned how it will perform in a side pull situation. I applaud your creativity and good luck with your mount. I have access to a very accurate load cell if you ever want to test it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DRTYFN]

Sorry to poo-poo on this winch mount, but I didn't think it was built correctly so I asked some engineer friends to look at it. Here's what they said:

"Patton and I just had a howl over the Rogue bracketry. We were
surprised the thing held the hook up. The compounding leverage factor on
the arm comming from the receiver would bend with a 3000 # winch even if he
used 3/4 inch bar stock, not to mention the inside knee stresses on the best
of welds. I hope his liability insurance is huge! The sad part is there
were respondees that thought it had some merit. This proves you can sell
**** in a bag to the right person."

[H2 Daddy]

N2ITNSD
What is a load cell? What type of company would have one of these? I am in Minnesota so Cali is a little too far to go to use the load cell you know about.

[RockYoda]

Crap.. pure.. Crap..

I wouldn't let you use that winch mount with in 100yards of me or my family. Please, for your sake do not ever use that mount and stick with Warns orginal mounting system. The life you save could be yours.

[argonaut]

I can just see that thing snap the first time he is stuck. looks very dangerous to everybody nearby. If you are really worried about approach angle, you can always take the winch off and put it inside the truck. Or, if departure angle isn't as critical, you could put it on the rear.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

[DennisAJC]

****! I feel like a horses ass. I actually drooled at the ideal of buying one!

"Well just put that **** in the bag! SOLD!" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif



"A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words."

[Cranky Steve]

Very scary, especialy if a snatch block was to be used.

Maybe you guys would find this tech doc on recovery helpful. It covers the do's and don'ts and just might save someone from a serious injury or death.

BillaVista's Recovery Bible (http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/index.html)

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

[crash]

hmm, interesting. I think one thang that really hinders the H2, the way the hood opens. Now, if you were to be able to build a bumper, and sink the winch down and back, closer to the frame rails that would be the hot ticket. I have done quite some experimentaion with this on the toys with good results. But its not an easy task...

certified H2 tech.

[Detonate]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crash:
hmm, interesting. I think one thang that really hinders the H2, the way the hood opens. Now, if you were to be able to build a bumper, and sink the winch down and back, closer to the frame rails that would be the hot ticket. I have done quite some experimentaion with this on the toys with good results. But its not an easy task...

certified H2 tech.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?s=2826088551&a=ga&ul=1306074544
I'm having my MileMarker 10.5 Hydraulic put into the basket on the front of this bumper this week.

I'll post photo's after the install.

My approach angle is still great.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[Patriot]

Now THAT'S a mans bumper!!!!

[crash]

wow, thats MAMOTH!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Looks cool, but I will keep my opinions to myself(I aint saying it doesn't look good though) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

certified H2 tech.

[AlamoJim]

yea it looks cool...
but isn't that why the mount is removable? so you can put it on when you need it and take it off when you don't so you don't lose any clearance?

I don't see why you would need a modified (I would say DANGEROUS) mount. I wouldn't use that to pull a ZUK out of the mud. I can't believe that that modified mount had zero deflection with a load unless you have it braced and tied into the bumper or frame somehow.

jmo - I have only see these pics, and I don't know how you built it or what the materials are...I would like to see up close lateral pics with it under a heavy load (like pulling the H2 up a trail).

have to agree with the others on the rope - it does not help dissipate heat of the winch...cable acts like a big heatsink to help keep the temp down on long pulls, but on short pulls the rope is great - also great on hydraulic winches where the heat is less of an issue. Seen plenty of guys use it - prefer to stick with cable until warn endorses a rope for my winch...

and yes - your grill rocks and Detonate has a badass shopping cart guard http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

lol - jk det!

[Hummertime]

hey rogue that is cool. where did you get the adjustable mount?

[Rogue H2]

I thought this subject died.
I would not pull with the winch in the upper position. Lowered to the lowest setting prior to pulling, it lines it up with the receiver. I am surprised you engineer friend missed the obvious rotational stress pulling from the raised position would pose on the H2's receiver mount. Since only I know the material, it’s thickness or the weld quality, it would be hard for anyone to comment on it's strength. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the winch is only capable of generating 9500 lbs of pull at the drum with or without a block installed inline. As for storing it in the back, I thought it would be easier to lower into position than try to unload and install when stuck in who knows what. How many of you have to remove your winch to check your oil? Again I didn’t build this to sell. I built it to solve a problem I had with my vehicle. I will use it with confidence if and when I need it.

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Thanks
doug

[unaslob]

i have used my winch more 'around the house' then offroad. I was pulling down some trees and completely bogged down the winch on two different pulls...made me wish I had my snatch block handy..(i do now) while a bit more powerful of winch would be nice, for my case, I would start pulling the vehicle...witch brings up question... when winching someone out or something down/away, have the car in park, with parking brake on... bad thing to have the h2 start dragging.... can anything get damaged..

I like that bracket... but would be afraid to use it....it is one thing to snap a line under a hard pull and having a line fly through the air, but imagine a 85 lb object....scary.. una

[DRTYFN]

Rogue,
Sorry, but the engineers made it abundantly clear to me that that bracket is not sound. When we were discussing it they made sure that I wasn't considering buying one. I was insulted that they'd even imagine that I'd buy one.
I also have a friend that worked for Warn for 15 years and he said he's seen brackets like that before(better ones) and he said they are not structurally sound enough to sell to the public.

It does look good, though.

[Hummertime]

rogue... i would love to copy your design... where did you get the mount?

[argonaut]

The only time I ever used my winch was to pull a lifted wrangler that got high centered on a rock crawl course. It was funny. Damn jeeps. I have never gotten stuck, as hard as I have tried... Maybe this winter i will get stuck in a mud pit. that would be fun.