Got My offer from STS for a turbo kit now available, today.

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David South on behalf of Jonothan Dean emailed Me just a little while ago to anounce that STS now has a kit available for My H2 since I had shown interest in the past. He said they are taking $500 deposits and kits should start shipping in early May.
Price for total kit with no addons.
<span class="ev_code_RED">$5195.00</span>
I do plan on politely turning Him down and would imagine they could care less as they will sell many i think, not sure at that price. I will let Him know I have a Magneson supercharger on the way to the painter.

For those who may be interested I have put a few guys together to R@D several up to now overlooked vehicle turbo's as well as working on a twin for the H2.

I'm going to remind STS of the effort where I tried to get there help. But, have no problem recommending STS to others. They do good work. I will ask why STS did not want to help the dealer that they recommended to Me along time ago as following was sent to Me. "The reason I would like for You to see (-----) in ? is he is a very compitent installer and is all ways like You looking for the "One Offs" to do. You will not be happier with His work or customer support. I hope ? is not too far for You to take the H2. The Power Dealer We recommend You get in touch with at this time for your area and vehicle is:" Dealer asked Me at this time not to mention Him yet till He sees what He is going to be allowed to do with H2 kit.
This email was the first thing I received when I began this adventure.

I have to give STS credit this man and His shop is top notch. He will use the tuning with kit but, He will tell You it needs to be wideband tuned by a guy near Him who has a AWD dyno and I agree unless Nelson has made changes We saw needed and I'll bet Nelson took care of that, they are the best. The upgraded tuning is offered by STS but, at extra cost as is the upgraded inj. unless they use what they told Jonahs He may need. There are many reasons they offer addons and everyone should be used if You want everything that the system has to put out. But, at that price if it needs upgrades My original quote a good while ago of $7000 would have been a bargain. It is not neccessary if You are wanting to just wake Your rig up and improve towing.

I feel they have done a great job for Jonahs in making the system do what He needs and that is using the base kit the way it was designed. Jonahs is going to be happy and I think surprised at how well it runs.

I had long discussion with a multiple SEMA award winner today that is using My H2 for some prototyping on a new idea He has. We discussed My SC versus turbo in general. He said at My vehicle weight the turbo is not going to get it rolling unless You go with a very small turbo to get spooled up quicker and the torque early (which I knew that is what we are working on to see if it is feasable at all). It would need to be twins to reduce back pressure by splitting it between them (which We knew), if to small and if pressure not released back pressure will jump up to a point it could push piston out the bottom. This We also knew. He just confirmed for Me that for what I personally want to accomplish the SC is the way to go right now untill I can figure out how to spool turbo up early enough safely. Perhaps sequential may be the answer?

In the Colorado and H3 it will be for a stock app. and a turbo that will handle exhaust flow with no problem and at there weight will move it quickly from a stop.

I would not be surprised if the dealer I was recommended to takes His vast knowledge and be able to have a kit that will be less. I have told him to do what He wants as i have a patent attorney working on what We have done and will have patent pending very soon. He can do what ever he wants because of His kindness and unselfish help. He is not sure now since He is a dealer and STS now has a kit if He will be allowed to alter it and do it for less. That is why I mentioned to everyone please work with Jonahs for a group discount someway as i and the guy i had been working with had already gotten an idea of what they were going to ask for kit, it actually exceeded our estimate. He was going to just custom make mine bending His own pipe etc. and We were looking at price for others around $4000 installed.

I now have all info, R@D and test info in Arkansas and found a 23 year old that knows more about tuning and turbo's than anyone I have talked to in the past year. In the neck of the woods he is from they nicknamed Him the Savant because He barely made it out of high school but, is a mechanical and mathematical genius. I had My first conversation with Him and had just started telling Him what I wanted and He picked up paper and pencil and did a rough sketch for the Colorado which He had looked at briefly, H3 and the twin turbo for H2 after looking at H2 and i had not shown Him what I already had and He drew it out. I asked Him if He had an idea of the turbo's needed in each app. and He wrote down what He felt was needed and he matched the twins (custom designed not off the shelf) and had the other two picked out and We had no idea at the time what was needed. He was correct on the Colorado so i guess he will be right on the H3. i asked Him how did he know how the H3 would look like he said I have seen the Colorado how much different can it get. Dealer is going to let us have an H3 for a week to get measurements when We get to it (Colorado first) and can come to dealer all We want. I hope We can make it work for the H3. The Colorado is coming along well. For Me it has worked out better that STS did nothing for the nice dealer they have and Me as it was a catalist to move Me into the induction world and find people that can do what I think of.
I encourage everyone to please get with Jonahs and get a discount setup. The price they are asking You can get a satin Magneson from Jason at H2source that comes with all inj upgrades, tuning upgrades, and just basicly everything to make it do all it is capable of putting out, almost. There will be a tuning option for the Radix that will be out shortly that will squeeze that last little bit of richness that the superchips leaves, roughly 40 HP and torque more. It is not bad that way as it helps to prevent a lean situation. If you add all the gauges as You should like Jonahs has designed You would not have anything to worry about. The new tunning available for Radix will improve torque management much better than present tuning and improve HP and TQ a little more. When I get the OK I can also put You onto this info as far as where to get it. They are in negotiation to offer it to Magneson when contract is up with superchips I guess. I'm told the new tuning is almost just as good as wideband without having to get into spending $3000 for the software if you want to be able to write and tweek it alot. The guy doing it has many SEMA awards and is an Arkansas boy near where I live.

The guy I visited with today that provided all the perf. add ons for My H2 except the catback headers. Told Me they did a 05 H2 test recently on a dyno with cold air intake, tbody vortex spacer, programmer from Comp Cams set to perf., premium fuel and stock exhaust. Upgraded spark plug wires, I have taylors. Oh, a dual electric fan I think also. He said they got 330 HP at the ground. I told Him I had gotten 355 with GTech Pro which He said was do to the header catback system and He was not surprised. He said the 05's have had alot of tuning improvements from factory and they went to the 5 gear planetary system in the tranny, if I understood Him correctly, which helped. He recommended what I have seen many on the forum doing is to get the latest updates on programing it helps. So I'm doing that next week. Anyway the cost for what he had was around $1500. The catback with dual super 40's out the back complete was $1650 installed. Anyway thought that was just some interesting info that some would like to hear about. Roughly 355 Hp at the ground spending $3150.00 and it sounds great. Where it still lacks is more low end torque. You can have all the HP but, without good torque numbers it still makes for slow times on 0 to 60 9 sec. or 1/4 mile. Nitrous is usually used at 3000 RPM but know of some that are experimenting with it at roll out to see if it will improve times and cut it off at 3000 RPM when the other perf. stuff kicks in good. Opposite of normal but, on the edge and that is usually where You find something new and exciting.
Well hope some of the info is helpful.
TAZ

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

David South on behalf of Jonothan Dean emailed Me just a little while ago to anounce that STS now has a kit available for My H2 since I had shown interest in the past. He said they are taking $500 deposits and kits should start shipping in early May.
Price for total kit with no addons.
<span class="ev_code_RED">$5195.00</span>
I do plan on politely turning Him down and would imagine they could care less as they will sell many i think, not sure at that price. I will let Him know I have a Magneson supercharger on the way to the painter.

For those who may be interested I have put a few guys together to R@D several up to now overlooked vehicle turbo's as well as working on a twin for the H2.

I'm going to remind STS of the effort where I tried to get there help. But, have no problem recommending STS to others. They do good work. I will ask why STS did not want to help the dealer that they recommended to Me along time ago as following was sent to Me. "The reason I would like for You to see (-----) in ? is he is a very compitent installer and is all ways like You looking for the "One Offs" to do. You will not be happier with His work or customer support. I hope ? is not too far for You to take the H2. The Power Dealer We recommend You get in touch with at this time for your area and vehicle is:" Dealer asked Me at this time not to mention Him yet till He sees what He is going to be allowed to do with H2 kit.
This email was the first thing I received when I began this adventure.

I have to give STS credit this man and His shop is top notch. He will use the tuning with kit but, He will tell You it needs to be wideband tuned by a guy near Him who has a AWD dyno and I agree unless Nelson has made changes We saw needed and I'll bet Nelson took care of that, they are the best. The upgraded tuning is offered by STS but, at extra cost as is the upgraded inj. unless they use what they told Jonahs He may need. There are many reasons they offer addons and everyone should be used if You want everything that the system has to put out. But, at that price if it needs upgrades My original quote a good while ago of $7000 would have been a bargain. It is not neccessary if You are wanting to just wake Your rig up and improve towing.

I feel they have done a great job for Jonahs in making the system do what He needs and that is using the base kit the way it was designed. Jonahs is going to be happy and I think surprised at how well it runs.

I had long discussion with a multiple SEMA award winner today that is using My H2 for some prototyping on a new idea He has. We discussed My SC versus turbo in general. He said at My vehicle weight the turbo is not going to get it rolling unless You go with a very small turbo to get spooled up quicker and the torque early (which I knew that is what we are working on to see if it is feasable at all). It would need to be twins to reduce back pressure by splitting it between them (which We knew), if to small and if pressure not released back pressure will jump up to a point it could push piston out the bottom. This We also knew. He just confirmed for Me that for what I personally want to accomplish the SC is the way to go right now untill I can figure out how to spool turbo up early enough safely. Perhaps sequential may be the answer?

In the Colorado and H3 it will be for a stock app. and a turbo that will handle exhaust flow with no problem and at there weight will move it quickly from a stop.

I would not be surprised if the dealer I was recommended to takes His vast knowledge and be able to have a kit that will be less. I have told him to do what He wants as i have a patent attorney working on what We have done and will have patent pending very soon. He can do what ever he wants because of His kindness and unselfish help. He is not sure now since He is a dealer and STS now has a kit if He will be allowed to alter it and do it for less. That is why I mentioned to everyone please work with Jonahs for a group discount someway as i and the guy i had been working with had already gotten an idea of what they were going to ask for kit, it actually exceeded our estimate. He was going to just custom make mine bending His own pipe etc. and We were looking at price for others around $4000 installed.

I now have all info, R@D and test info in Arkansas and found a 23 year old that knows more about tuning and turbo's than anyone I have talked to in the past year. In the neck of the woods he is from they nicknamed Him the Savant because He barely made it out of high school but, is a mechanical and mathematical genius. I had My first conversation with Him and had just started telling Him what I wanted and He picked up paper and pencil and did a rough sketch for the Colorado which He had looked at briefly, H3 and the twin turbo for H2 after looking at H2 and i had not shown Him what I already had and He drew it out. I asked Him if He had an idea of the turbo's needed in each app. and He wrote down what He felt was needed and he matched the twins (custom designed not off the shelf) and had the other two picked out and We had no idea at the time what was needed. He was correct on the Colorado so i guess he will be right on the H3. i asked Him how did he know how the H3 would look like he said I have seen the Colorado how much different can it get. Dealer is going to let us have an H3 for a week to get measurements when We get to it (Colorado first) and can come to dealer all We want. I hope We can make it work for the H3. The Colorado is coming along well. For Me it has worked out better that STS did nothing for the nice dealer they have and Me as it was a catalist to move Me into the induction world and find people that can do what I think of.
I encourage everyone to please get with Jonahs and get a discount setup. The price they are asking You can get a satin Magneson from Jason at H2source that comes with all inj upgrades, tuning upgrades, and just basicly everything to make it do all it is capable of putting out, almost. There will be a tuning option for the Radix that will be out shortly that will squeeze that last little bit of richness that the superchips leaves, roughly 40 HP and torque more. It is not bad that way as it helps to prevent a lean situation. If you add all the gauges as You should like Jonahs has designed You would not have anything to worry about. The new tunning available for Radix will improve torque management much better than present tuning and improve HP and TQ a little more. When I get the OK I can also put You onto this info as far as where to get it. They are in negotiation to offer it to Magneson when contract is up with superchips I guess. I'm told the new tuning is almost just as good as wideband without having to get into spending $3000 for the software if you want to be able to write and tweek it alot. The guy doing it has many SEMA awards and is an Arkansas boy near where I live.

The guy I visited with today that provided all the perf. add ons for My H2 except the catback headers. Told Me they did a 05 H2 test recently on a dyno with cold air intake, tbody vortex spacer, programmer from Comp Cams set to perf., premium fuel and stock exhaust. Upgraded spark plug wires, I have taylors. Oh, a dual electric fan I think also. He said they got 330 HP at the ground. I told Him I had gotten 355 with GTech Pro which He said was do to the header catback system and He was not surprised. He said the 05's have had alot of tuning improvements from factory and they went to the 5 gear planetary system in the tranny, if I understood Him correctly, which helped. He recommended what I have seen many on the forum doing is to get the latest updates on programing it helps. So I'm doing that next week. Anyway the cost for what he had was around $1500. The catback with dual super 40's out the back complete was $1650 installed. Anyway thought that was just some interesting info that some would like to hear about. Roughly 355 Hp at the ground spending $3150.00 and it sounds great. Where it still lacks is more low end torque. You can have all the HP but, without good torque numbers it still makes for slow times on 0 to 60 9 sec. or 1/4 mile. Nitrous is usually used at 3000 RPM but know of some that are experimenting with it at roll out to see if it will improve times and cut it off at 3000 RPM when the other perf. stuff kicks in good. Opposite of normal but, on the edge and that is usually where You find something new and exciting.
Well hope some of the info is helpful.
TAZ

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
David South on behalf of Jonothan Dean emailed Me just a little while ago to anounce that STS now has a kit available for My H2 since I had shown interest in the past. He said they are taking $500 deposits and kits should start shipping in early May.
Price for total kit with no addons.
<span class="ev_code_RED">$5195.00</span>
I do plan on politely turning Him down and would imagine they could care less as they will sell many i think, not sure at that price. I will let Him know I have a Magneson supercharger on the way to the painter.

For those who may be interested I have put a few guys together to R@D several up to now overlooked vehicle turbo's as well as working on a twin for the H2.

I'm going to remind STS of the effort where I tried to get there help. But, have no problem recommending STS to others. They do good work. I will ask why STS did not want to help the dealer that they recommended to Me along time ago as following was sent to Me. "The reason I would like for You to see (-----) in ? is he is a very compitent installer and is all ways like You looking for the "One Offs" to do. You will not be happier with His work or customer support. I hope ? is not too far for You to take the H2. The Power Dealer We recommend You get in touch with at this time for your area and vehicle is:" Dealer asked Me at this time not to mention Him yet till He sees what He is going to be allowed to do with H2 kit.
This email was the first thing I received when I began this adventure.

I have to give STS credit this man and His shop is top notch. He will use the tuning with kit but, He will tell You it needs to be wideband tuned by a guy near Him who has a AWD dyno and I agree unless Nelson has made changes We saw needed and I'll bet Nelson took care of that, they are the best. The upgraded tuning is offered by STS but, at extra cost as is the upgraded inj. unless they use what they told Jonahs He may need. There are many reasons they offer addons and everyone should be used if You want everything that the system has to put out. But, at that price if it needs upgrades My original quote a good while ago of $7000 would have been a bargain. It is not neccessary if You are wanting to just wake Your rig up and improve towing.

I feel they have done a great job for Jonahs in making the system do what He needs and that is using the base kit the way it was designed. Jonahs is going to be happy and I think surprised at how well it runs.

I had long discussion with a multiple SEMA award winner today that is using My H2 for some prototyping on a new idea He has. We discussed My SC versus turbo in general. He said at My vehicle weight the turbo is not going to get it rolling unless You go with a very small turbo to get spooled up quicker and the torque early (which I knew that is what we are working on to see if it is feasable at all). It would need to be twins to reduce back pressure by splitting it between them (which We knew), if to small and if pressure not released back pressure will jump up to a point it could push piston out the bottom. This We also knew. He just confirmed for Me that for what I personally want to accomplish the SC is the way to go right now untill I can figure out how to spool turbo up early enough safely. Perhaps sequential may be the answer?

In the Colorado and H3 it will be for a stock app. and a turbo that will handle exhaust flow with no problem and at there weight will move it quickly from a stop.

I would not be surprised if the dealer I was recommended to takes His vast knowledge and be able to have a kit that will be less. I have told him to do what He wants as i have a patent attorney working on what We have done and will have patent pending very soon. He can do what ever he wants because of His kindness and unselfish help. He is not sure now since He is a dealer and STS now has a kit if He will be allowed to alter it and do it for less. That is why I mentioned to everyone please work with Jonahs for a group discount someway as i and the guy i had been working with had already gotten an idea of what they were going to ask for kit, it actually exceeded our estimate. He was going to just custom make mine bending His own pipe etc. and We were looking at price for others around $4000 installed.

I now have all info, R@D and test info in Arkansas and found a 23 year old that knows more about tuning and turbo's than anyone I have talked to in the past year. In the neck of the woods he is from they nicknamed Him the Savant because He barely made it out of high school but, is a mechanical and mathematical genius. I had My first conversation with Him and had just started telling Him what I wanted and He picked up paper and pencil and did a rough sketch for the Colorado which He had looked at briefly, H3 and the twin turbo for H2 after looking at H2 and i had not shown Him what I already had and He drew it out. I asked Him if He had an idea of the turbo's needed in each app. and He wrote down what He felt was needed and he matched the twins (custom designed not off the shelf) and had the other two picked out and We had no idea at the time what was needed. He was correct on the Colorado so i guess he will be right on the H3. i asked Him how did he know how the H3 would look like he said I have seen the Colorado how much different can it get. Dealer is going to let us have an H3 for a week to get measurements when We get to it (Colorado first) and can come to dealer all We want. I hope We can make it work for the H3. The Colorado is coming along well. For Me it has worked out better that STS did nothing for the nice dealer they have and Me as it was a catalist to move Me into the induction world and find people that can do what I think of.
I encourage everyone to please get with Jonahs and get a discount setup. The price they are asking You can get a satin Magneson from Jason at H2source that comes with all inj upgrades, tuning upgrades, and just basicly everything to make it do all it is capable of putting out, almost. There will be a tuning option for the Radix that will be out shortly that will squeeze that last little bit of richness that the superchips leaves, roughly 40 HP and torque more. It is not bad that way as it helps to prevent a lean situation. If you add all the gauges as You should like Jonahs has designed You would not have anything to worry about. The new tunning available for Radix will improve torque management much better than present tuning and improve HP and TQ a little more. When I get the OK I can also put You onto this info as far as where to get it. They are in negotiation to offer it to Magneson when contract is up with superchips I guess. I'm told the new tuning is almost just as good as wideband without having to get into spending $3000 for the software if you want to be able to write and tweek it alot. The guy doing it has many SEMA awards and is an Arkansas boy near where I live.

The guy I visited with today that provided all the perf. add ons for My H2 except the catback headers. Told Me they did a 05 H2 test recently on a dyno with cold air intake, tbody vortex spacer, programmer from Comp Cams set to perf., premium fuel and stock exhaust. Upgraded spark plug wires, I have taylors. Oh, a dual electric fan I think also. He said they got 330 HP at the ground. I told Him I had gotten 355 with GTech Pro which He said was do to the header catback system and He was not surprised. He said the 05's have had alot of tuning improvements from factory and they went to the 5 gear planetary system in the tranny, if I understood Him correctly, which helped. He recommended what I have seen many on the forum doing is to get the latest updates on programing it helps. So I'm doing that next week. Anyway the cost for what he had was around $1500. The catback with dual super 40's out the back complete was $1650 installed. Anyway thought that was just some interesting info that some would like to hear about. Roughly 355 Hp at the ground spending $3150.00 and it sounds great. Where it still lacks is more low end torque. You can have all the HP but, without good torque numbers it still makes for slow times on 0 to 60 9 sec. or 1/4 mile. Nitrous is usually used at 3000 RPM but know of some that are experimenting with it at roll out to see if it will improve times and cut it off at 3000 RPM when the other perf. stuff kicks in good. Opposite of normal but, on the edge and that is usually where You find something new and exciting.
Well hope some of the info is helpful.
TAZ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I can't wait for LV's install. This is going to be awesome to see in July. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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OMG http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
I feel like I was just reading the Sunday Tribune.
RLTAZH2. I have a new screen name for you. AUTHOR. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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I'm just hoping with Me spewing info on the site it will move STS to work hard with Jonahs to get a good price. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Really just trying to help by being an antagonist hoping the cost will come down. It does not effect Me either way, I have what I'm going to run and building what i will run later and will most likely pass what I come up with on so guys can build there own twins, if We can get it to work the way We are trying it. It means something to Me if I can help everyone to get better price. I have My little gig going and having fun. It is very intersting stuff. It surprisingly is not all that hard but, what i have learned is the tunng is the big thing and the key, DUH logical of course. But the rest of the mechanics is easy just trial and error till You get pipe bent right and location of turbo in a safe place from heating and melting stuff. Software does most all of it anymore. CAD stuff.

I think it is going to be cool to see Jonahs system when all done. I think it will fit many peoples needs or I would not be working on turbo projects myself for other type rigs. But that price is ridiculous. I have been buying this stuff and have good idea of what it should cost and still make good money. It just angers Me that many times people make something for the Hummers and I think they make it more expensive than needed just cause they figure all those rich guys can afford it. That is why when I was told $7000 to have it set up to get the best function out of the kit and I had to R@D to have it, I told them to all jump in a lake. Then the good guy told Me if I wanted one We could do it without it costing an arm and a leg. Then I just went to work on twins and forgot about single. The material is only around $3700 for twins, give or take a little and part of the cost we increased in upgraded pipe coating We were going to use on the single, STS said We could do on Our own, than was being used in other kits. It was in consideration of some offroading the twin kit so We just decided to use it on twins.

If this kit came out and it was priced at $4000 I would be raving about it. Most of the dealers who I talked to originally wanted $600 to $1000 to install just a upgraded SUV kit already designed. Just put larger turbo and inj. with some extra length in tubing and WALA You got a H2 kit I was told. There was no tuning so I had to pay for wideband tuning as at the time no PCM was available from Nelson for the H2 so, add $550 they said cause i would have to buy the right to the software and pay for the dyno time while being tuned. Ok if I get to keep it.

But, add install to the $5195. At $4000 the install cost is easier to take. But, I guess supply and demand will determine it in the end. If everyone is willing to run out and pay $5700 to $6100 installed then more power to them. The forum if given a good deal could get them off and running which is what should be done. Set of upgraded inj. is only around $550 if that high bought in quanity and the turbo upgraded cost We looked at was very minimal so. $4000 to $4500 should be doable. I think they are putting the larger inj. in kit since they went with larger turbo, Jonahs will know that. Once Jonahs gets the bugs out if anymore occur it will be sweet if priced right. I'm glad Jonahs negotiated a flat install price like He did or when they spent time on the mods to nerf bars and blown fuses would have been expensive, unless STS would eat it. That is one reason I could never get a firm install cost even if off just a little was they did not know what they were going to run into. So when We asked STS to help cover some stuff the cold shoulder came out. I have cause for little respect for co. as well as little trust personally but, great respect for the product itself and the ingenuity.
Just really hoping to help Jonahs to get cost down for eveyone where it should be.
TAZ

[LasVegas]

TAZ...Don't know where that price came from because that's not what I've discussed with STS. I'll be finalizing pricing with them Monday. If they quoted you that price I'll sure pin down why because I'm dealing with Rick Squires.

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">by RLTAZH2 I think they are putting the larger inj. in kit since they went with larger turbo, Jonahs will know that. Once Jonahs gets the bugs out if anymore occur it will be sweet if priced right. I'm glad Jonahs negotiated a flat install price like He did or when they spent time on the mods to nerf bars and blown fuses would have been expensive, unless STS would eat it. That is one reason I could never get a firm install cost.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The larger injectors are just needed @ 5-6 lbs boost regardless of turbo size.

In the interest of the forum I installed the kit MYSELF (gee, you didn't even miss me the last couple days). I wanted to determine exactly how practical it was to do a self install. So the nerf bars & PCM-B diagnosis was on me! But I had negotiated a flat price of $400 plus the injector install.

[LasVegas]

Just so everyone knows what I'm trying to accomplish I've added up the street price to install headers, exhaust, PCM tune, and intake mods. I'm trying to get the turbocharger available for within $750-1,000 of that cost. If I can, anyone would be foolish to do all the other stuff that doesn't give you that much in performance for the cost. I'm not going to dyno my rig but when I was talking with Rick Squires yesterday the '03 prototype they installed on gained 60% hp when they dynoed it. That's pushing 500 hp at sea level and you just can't get close to that with addons. The best part is that you gain 2-4 mpg if you keep your foot out of it.

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Jonahs
I had wondered where You had been. I thought with kit in Your were off getting it installed so I figured You would email Me today when You got all down. It is great You did that Yourself. I thought it strange at first that you had decided to not do it Yourself. But, I figured You would let Me know when You were done with it so, I did not worry that I had not heard from You last couple days.

Oh STS emailed Me offering Me the now available kit. Send $500 deposit and will ship in first of May. Price $5195, it came from Dave South on behalf of Jonathan Dean who is the one We asked help from as he is marketing director, unless promoted now. When We got to running into not having any tuning that sort of thing and saw price just going through the roof We felt since STS would benefit could they help. I do not mind helping someone make money, I'm just not going to make all of there money for them. Then We or the guy helping Me, talked to Rick Squires and got no where. I believe they felt I was going to spend the money and then since it was their Dealer they would get info anyways so i dropped it and went on with another idea of My own. Do not know at all if that was the case but, I was not the only one talking to them and feeling seemed to come across the same. It does not matter as I said before I have reason not to feel confidence in support and trust issue. I was told one thing and something else was done. I told you the only reason I would spend money with them was to help You and this forum. Other than that i would not give them anything. But, My sour grapes should not let anyone miss a good deal if Jonahs can get it. I have confidence in the product without doubt. I have looked at it hard and it is sound technology and looks to be good quality.
Once I get PO'd well, I'm just the wrong person to get PO'd http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I will either do without something to fight for integrity or I will spend ever dollar I have to get something from the point of integrity. I'm just the kind of person You can count on what i say and if I see Your not getting what is fair then i will make it right reguardless of what it takes if it is possible to do so. I will not leave anyone hanging. Any businessman that thinks they can survive without a customer spending there hard earned money and not get treated such as to instill confidence then they live in a world I've yet to experience.
The nice thing is My lawyer friends work for Me for free, so if I have to call them to help Me help someone they do it cause I've helped them and have kept My word to them always. That is very important to Me, more than material things in My book. If You tell Me Your not interested and will not be doing something then that is what you should do or at least make it right with Me when You change Your mind. A person's word is everything and if it is not Your ideals then You need to deal with the people that are communicating ideals You may not agree with. If not then they are Your ideals.
TAZ

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Jonahs if You can do that it would be a supper deal and silly for anybody to pass up. You would be looking at around $4000, maybe less. That is reasonable for sure. If they can do an SUV for $3995 You would think it would be the same for H2. The SUV's I saw with the STS had the larger turbo, tuning provided but, mechanics said they needed the larger inj.'s bad. They were going to put those on. So that price is very fair in that range of $4000.
Jump on it everybody at that price. No Joke. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
If You want to use My GTech Pro Jonahs Your welcome to it.

Boy just for curiosty sake I would like to run against a H2 with STS. I have a friend I can get to buy one so He does not have to do alot to get some good HP. Those same things I have done has made My rig run like a scauled dog, I have to fight a little torque in steering when I get on it more from around 2000. I have alot more runs to make but, I talked to a mutiple SEMA award winner yesterday that put everything i have on a H2 and dyno'd it and they got 330 HP at the ground just recently on a 2005 and as mentioned are doing some prototyping on My rig for some other addons. I got 355 HP on GTech Pro at the ground. He said they had to make some adjustmenst to fit H2 on so he is going to ask if they can do it again to run mine to compare. I think I would like a turbo better i think but, if You do what I have done You may be quite surprised. I'm not disappointed at all with the way it runs I just want to go faster if I decide to. I have already whooped the dog out of a camaro and a firebird who are only a little bit more than stock. The kids just kept hearing how good it sounded and out where I'm at the old abandoned air strip from WW 1 it was safe. They got Me out of the hole but in short order at around 2500 the beast woke up and no contest. In fact the Police usually come out on Saturday and watch things so it keeps the kids of the streets. The kids do not bother Me anymore. i have blistered enough rice rockets that are more stock than not but, I can get them out of the hole even. Little toy motors have to wind up a bunch to move. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif My buddy with the tuner shop would kill Me if He saw this about the rice rockets but, he knows it He has seen it. I'm anxious to see what Supercharger does if I'm already running as good as it does. I will not be doing anything but adding boost to what I have as well as fuel of course. Everything is staying except the change in tuning and extra kit stuff. I have to take tbody spacer out http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif or it will void warranty. I'm going to be able to keep cold air intake, in fact We are building a air kit that will take air in through a fake tower on filter side so I can get even colder air and trying to build a scoop over the side intake vent in fender with water drain holes to bring more cold air in. Nothing ram just giving chance for more air. We are kicking around the idea of building the scoop and putting holes under towers and chrome screen on back of towers to draw hot air off. Just some things messing with. Even working on driver side air vent backwards and passenger forward with air scoop. Just a bunch drawing board stuff. But We will do something not sure yet. May just buy the ram air kit. If any of it works it would help even a stock H2. There is a company building a ram air kit now for H2 using the same tower design and is supposed to really increase air volume going in engine. If I had not already had SC coming I would try that and see what it does. Sort of like boost. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif maybe I'll do it anyway. I Love going fast every now and then.
TAZ

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
Just so everyone knows what I'm trying to accomplish I've added up the street price to install headers, exhaust, PCM tune, and intake mods. I'm trying to get the turbocharger available for within $750-1,000 of that cost. If I can, anyone would be foolish to do all the other stuff that doesn't give you that much in performance for the cost. I'm not going to dyno my rig but when I was talking with Rick Squires yesterday the '03 prototype they installed on gained 160 hp when they dynoed it. That's pushing 500 hp and you just can't get close to that with addons. The best part is that you gain 2-4 mpg if you keep your foot out of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[LasVegas]

TAZ....The $5,195 price you refer to is MSRP INCLUDING the performance tune AND injector upgrade. So that's a COMPLETE kit at full retail price with no other options needed. They are automatically including the tune & injectors because the big block 6.0 liter engine requires it. If you install yourself that would be complete cost or about $500 more if you have it installed. With the discount I'm trying to get forum members it's feasible to get it within $1,000 of typical performance addons i.e. headers, exhaust, tune, etc...

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted by LV:
The best part is that you gain 2-4 mpg if you keep your foot out of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Impossible to keep your foot out of it. That mileage is going down... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

When will you be finished with the programming? I can't wait to hear how it runs after that's done. Sounds great so far.

[PARAGON]

Yeah, get one of those Gtech doohickies and give us some numbers when you get all done, it's going to be interesting.

I am sure something can be done to accomodate the intake to make it more water tolerant.

[LasVegas]

P...Like many I thought the intake could be a problem. But after installing I'm not the least concerned with it. The intake/filter is up VERY high just a couple inches below the rear floor. If you're in water that deep you probably have other problems. If you really plan to ford deep crazy water you just install the snorkel up the rear of the rig as high as you want it. Hell, you could bury it in water then.

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted by LV:
The best part is that you gain 2-4 mpg if you keep your foot out of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Impossible to keep your foot out of it. That mileage is going down... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

When will you be finished with the programming? I can't wait to hear how it runs after that's done. Sounds great so far. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't drive that way anymore Ken. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'll be the only poky turbocharged H2 on the road. I have the PCM but can't install it until the injectors get here. They send you the Nelson tuned PCM & you just swap it out for your stock & send back the core.

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Yeah, get one of those Gtech doohickies and give us some numbers when you get all done, it's going to be interesting.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>STS dynoed the '03 they R&D and it increased HP 60%. No reason to expect less.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
P...Like many I thought the intake could be a problem. But after installing I'm not the least concerned with it. The intake/filter is up VERY high just a couple inches below the rear floor. If you're in water that deep you probably have other problems. If you really plan to ford deep crazy water you just install the snorkel up the rear of the rig as high as you want it. Hell, you could bury it in water then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>For some that get into watery/muddy situations that open element design could be a problem by splattering mud and/or water up there while off-road. Creating a "snorkel" and then a "plate" or something that would deflect the element from a direct hit from mud and water would be pretty easy to do.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Yeah, get one of those Gtech doohickies and give us some numbers when you get all done, it's going to be interesting.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>STS dynoed the '03 they R&D and it increased HP 60%. No reason to expect less. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I am more curious about low end torque and when it comes in. I am thinking of a comparo of your zero-60 with something like Ken's. It'll be interesting to see how it does with the torque.

60% additional HP is pretty damn good and if it does OK with low end torque they should sell plenty to H2 owners.

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Yeah, get one of those Gtech doohickies and give us some numbers when you get all done, it's going to be interesting.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>STS dynoed the '03 they R&D and it increased HP 60%. No reason to expect less. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I am more curious about low end torque and when it comes in. I am thinking of a comparo of your zero-60 with something like Ken's. It'll be interesting to see how it does with the torque.

60% additional HP is pretty damn good and if it does OK with low end torque they should sell plenty to H2 owners. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well of course without the PMC or injectors installed I just can't report anything. I can say that with the little toying around I've done I noticed this. We're at 2,000 Alt & the most I could get out of my boost gauge at WOT was -.01 Now at about 2200 rpm & maybe 1/3 throttle I see .5 boost. It will be interesting but the guy that owns the '03 prototype is VERY happy with performance. Of course that's all relative. Just as soon as I can get the injectors/PCM installed I'll give you some numbers. On the water issue I've talked with STS at length about this. NORMAL water/mud splashing doesn't seem to be a factor & they recommend cleaning the air filter every 3rd or 4th oil change. It's rated to go 100,000 miles before cleaning. But I agree if you're doing some serious offroading & plan to ford/blast through mud/water install the snorkel. The plate idea is good but not necessary for normal street driving and wouldn't apply to snorkel applications because it would then be a closed system except the top of the snorkel that you could run clear to the roofline.

[LasVegas]

Paragon....If you go to STS website, they now have the dyno results (actual report) for the H2 including torque/hp @ their 4200 ft alt. It shows a 46% increase in torque & it looks like it's all in by about 2400 rpm. Pretty impressive. I'm not trying to push anything but depending on what the person is trying to accomplish this kit is a simple cost effective application that gives impressive results. One of the nice things is that you can convert back to stock in a couple hours and take the kit with you if you trade for another H2.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Jonahs is correct on the filter situation. You can snorkle it or run it with the dry sock that goes over filter to keep water out on rainy days but, everyone I talked to said they do not even use it for rain with no problems.
But, like Jonahs said about where the turbo is so high up in frame you would have water in the Cab before You got turbo under water. I could see where the dry sok would help allot in the desert or dusty conditions more than water situation.
TAZ