Warn 9.5ti Winch Good deal!

[BKLYNH2]

I just purchased a winch for a great deal(as far as I've seen) and wanted to share with everyone else that might be looking.
I got the Warn 9.5ti with multimount + front wiring as a package for $957.00. For clarification the winch comes mounted on the multimount already and the connection plug is installed and sealed to the winch wiring at hte factory. The source is gowarn (http://www.gowarn.com) the part # is WAR32963. This is a brand new option and may not be up on the site yet. If you go to the winch mounting options page select, HummerH2 this page displays a different contact phone # which seems to work better. Call them for ordering this set up and they can set you up with anything else you'll need

[BKLYNH2]

I just purchased a winch for a great deal(as far as I've seen) and wanted to share with everyone else that might be looking.
I got the Warn 9.5ti with multimount + front wiring as a package for $957.00. For clarification the winch comes mounted on the multimount already and the connection plug is installed and sealed to the winch wiring at hte factory. The source is gowarn (http://www.gowarn.com) the part # is WAR32963. This is a brand new option and may not be up on the site yet. If you go to the winch mounting options page select, HummerH2 this page displays a different contact phone # which seems to work better. Call them for ordering this set up and they can set you up with anything else you'll need

[Detonate]

Hmmm, that part number seems to be for the KIT,CABLE,W/ INTRPT,175A - $109.95

http://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR32963

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[bklynh2srock]

Peter ran off to hockey so-

Sorry for any mixup (he probably just grabbed the number for the kit instead of the winch as we ordered the kit as well)! Minor technical glitch there -- but we did order the 9.5 w/ Multi-mount for $957.00 from Go Warn.

[Detonate]

Ok. So winch + mount = 957.00 and the Kit, Cable thing was a seperate 109.95???

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[BKLYNH2]

Sorry about that .
The correct part # for the 9.5ti, multi mount combo is WAR65735. Additional items I got where the accessory kit and the 20' cables to wire to the back.
-peter

[Detonate]

Much better. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Direct link to order online:
http://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR65735

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[SJ]

BKLYNH2:

Thanks for the news; I'm glad to see prices are falling. I've had my eyes on the 9.5ti for a while.

Let us know how the install goes. I've seen a few folks on this site with the system and they all seem to really like it.

[Detonate]

How much cheaper is the 9000 lbs winch?

I was reading in the manual where it says that pulling over 9000 lbs will bend the H2 frame. In my mind that means, get the cheaper winch, it'll do the same job, and not bend your frame.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm also cheap. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[BKLYNH2]

There are a few recent threads on winches which should answer your questions. It seems to me that you are almost as likely to screw your H2 up with the 9000 as you are with the 9500. My rationale for the ti is that it provides you with feedback on the heat of the motor while in use. Motor heat will give you an indication of how hard you are working the winch which is related to the force you are applying. More importantly it should prevent you from burning out the motor on the winch. I am not an expert in winches(nor do I play one on TV), I have however burned out many electrical motors, similiar to winch motors, on other machinery. I would rather pay $100 or so more now, to protect myself from turning my $800+ investment into garbage because I overworked it.
http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=6706011751&m=4246082992
http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=6706011751&m=5096050113

[bklynh2srock]

I was the "price person" since I have more time to troll the net looking for prices. About two or three weeks ago, the lowest price I found for the 90000 w/ multi-mount was about $890.00 w/ free ship. That's not much of a difference for some insurance that you won't burn 'er out.

Can't help with the bent frame question, but in my pea-size winch-inexperienced brain, I can't see how 500lbs extra will make that much of a difference. I think they probably were more concerned with say, a 12,000 lb'er.

[SJ]

Detonate:

I recall the post you speak of. The H2 owner was using a Warn 8000 to extract a tree stump when the REAR receiver was bent.

I've removed tree stumps on our family farm, but we used a tractor in low gear and chains attached directly to the frame hook.

I personally wouldn't use a winch for anything other than pulling my vehicle out of a stuck situation or rescuing another vehicle. Trying to move truly immobile objects can damage your pocket book real fast (e.g. damage to frame, Transfer Case, Tranny). If you intend on adhering to this same practice, then you'll be fine with a 9.5ti.

[SJ]

Detonate:

Also, here is a good article on using Snatch Blocks properly. I read a post here where some one mistakenly thought that snatch blocks added effort/force to the winch point. The opposite is true, thus the whole reason for using one or more snatch blocks to lessen force or change direction when winching.

Australian off-road site:

http://geocities.com/RainForest/3648/4wd_winching.htm

[Hummer Man]

SJ you are exactly 100% correct! The snatch points lessons the power/force while geometricly increasing the leverage. They are considered fulcrum points and nothing more!

[Doug]

I have the 9.5 TI and love it. I got the winch, mount, cover and recovery kit for 1283 including shipping. Just beware you will have to drill a hole in the multi mount and purchase a lock pin. I bought a pin from BULLY that slips in from the underside and locks. It works great. I bought my winch from www.clemson4wheel.com (http://www.clemson4wheel.com)

Doug
2003 Metalic Red H2
Adventure Series. w/navigation/Sat Radio/Winch

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"I got the Warn 9.5ti with multimount + front wiring as a package for $957.00. For clarification the winch comes mounted on the multimount already and the connection plug is installed and sealed to the winch wiring at the factory. The source is GoWarn.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good luck Peter! I mean better luck than me...

I ordered the 9.5ti multi-mount on April 25th. Paid $150.76 more than you. Oh, did they tell you that the shipping was free? My free shipping from them only cost me $44.86.

When I got the brand new winch, it came in pieces and had to be put together. The FIRST http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif problem was that the 28" cable that was supposed to go from the winch to the front quick release was NOT sent. After contacting GoWarn.com by email (they suggest using email for fastest service) and NOT getting any reply I contacted Warn Corporation and spoke with a representative named Mike McEwen. He informed me that gowarn.com was NOT an authorized dealer. He repeated it when I asked him if he was sure. Said they had heard of them but that they were not authorized dealers. Go figure? Any ways, Mr. McEwen went on to explain to me that it was just as well the short cable was not included because if I had taken the winch apart to install the cable it would have damaged the newly designed seals which are a main feature of this new winch. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif He said that Warn makes a special KIT for people desiring the 9.5ti with the multi-mount. He suggested that since I had bought the winch from gowarn, a non-authorized dealer, I should contact them to see what I could do about my problem. He was sympathetic, but... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So, I called gowarn and spoke to Angela. She said that they were authorized dealers. She didn't know why Warn would say they were not. She said she was sorry that I had been charged shipping and would issue a credit to my charge card. She said she would also talk to her supervisor and explain my problems. She said someone would be getting back in touch with me.

I decided, on my own, to go ahead and drive 120 miles round-trip to the nearest dealer and buy the quick-disconnect plugs for the winch and instead of opening the winch up, just shorten the 6-foot long battery cables on the new winch. The plugs cost over $35.00 plus my time and gasoline at appx. 11 mpg.

The NEXT http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif problem popped up when I hooked the winch up via the newly installed quick-disconnect plugs. It unreeled but would not reel the winch line back in. I called and talked to Angela again. I told her that I thought that the remote control was bad. The switch worked when flipping it up, but not when you flipped it down. She said that she would check into it immediately and get back with me. I indicated that I was getting quite upset. She said she would take care of everything!

After waiting two days, I called back. Angela acted like she had forgotten to do anything and was a "little" embarrassed... She said she would have her supervisor call me right back.

The NEXT http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif problem popped up when Mr. Michael Weisberger called me back. He told me that the problem was not with the remote control but that I had "blown out the solenoids on the winch". I told him that I had never even used the winch and that it had failed the very first time I tested it. He asked me what I wanted him to do about it. I told him. We exchanged several "heated" comments at which time he said that there was really just no reason why he should bother to help me on a sale that he made maybe at most, $50 on. This is the winch I had just paid $1262.71 for... When I mentioned contacting my credit card company and contesting the charge he said he would contact the police and have me arrested for fraud! When I stopped laughing, I told him that I wouldn't take up any more of his valuable time and was ready to hang up when he said that maybe he could help me after all. He said he would call me right back.

The NEXT http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif problem was when he called back and told me that I was going to have to take the winch back to the dealer in Tampa and have the winch repaired. Another 120 mile trip. The "good news" was that it would be covered under the 90-day warranty! Whoopee.

The winch has been in the repair shop for three days now and I am waiting to hear from the service department.

Oh, by the way, you only need the 20-foot rear cable assembly not the 24-footer. I trimmed about six feet off from the 24-foot rear cable assembly that gowarn sent to me. It "only" costs about $10 extra for the longer cable, but why buy it?

I just did check my credit card and they issued a $45 credit from the $89.86 they charged me for the FREE shipping. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Like I said, good luck...

Ed

[BKLYNH2]

Yikes! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
I've got my fingers crossed. I hope they learned a thing or two from the poor service they provided you. I did get the 20' cable since I had read the post (I think it was yours) earlier that 20 was enough. Also the issue with the front wiring connection was mentioned. What I was told I was getting, sounds more like the set up that Warn described to you. Maybe Warn, hearing about your complaint staightened them out. I'm very sorry to here about your problem, and will definitely let everyone know how this works out.
Peter

[TheGoodHummerMan]

In my experience, all companies occassionally have isolated problems where things go totally wacky. But, I think that when the GoWarn.com "supervisor" stated that they were only making fifty bucks and couldn't be worried with my problem is indicative of a more insidious attitude.

The fact that you will be getting the properly configured 9.5ti winch should make a LOT of difference...

I really hope that your transaction goes as it should --- smoothly and with no problems at all.

That this internet company didn't just send me a replacement at no charge is regrettable. I'm afraid it is the price I will pay for trying to get a good deal... At this point, I can honestly say that I do not feel like I have been dealt with fairly or equitably. Maybe it's just me?

Ed

[BKLYNH2]

Ok the winch and stuff arrived today. It was NOT as described. Everything is seperate not premounted on the multimount and not with the quick connect already attached. I called GO warn as expected I got a recording. Personally I don't care about mounting it. I am concerned about removing the power leads (red in particular) and therfore messing up the seal. Can anyone tell me if this is something to be concerned about?
Anyway I apologize for posting this thread as a good deal when it apparently is not without its far share of aggrevation.
Peter-

[Detonate]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Hope you get it straightened out!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"Ok the winch and stuff arrived today. It was _NOT_ as described. Everything is seperate not premounted on the multimount and not with the quick connect already attached. I called GO warn as expected I got a recording. Personally I don't care about mounting it. I am concerned about removing the power leads (red in particular) and therfore messing up the seal. Can anyone tell me if this is something to be concerned about?
Anyway I apologize for posting this thread as a good deal when it apparently is not without its far share of aggrevation.
Peter-"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Peter, I should have posted my experiences earlier? Maybe we have the beginnings of a class action lawsuit? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Do NOT disassemble the Warn 9.5ti as instructed by the paperwork you received from gowarn... Call Mike McEwen (or probably ANYONE else) at Warn Corporation and he will set you straight about how the winch will be seriously damaged if you do attempt this. From what he told me, this winch is a brand new and IMPROVED design which involves new seals that vastly improve the protection of the winch's components and disassembly by non-trained persons WILL definitely damage these seals.

I will not advise you on what to do, but I can say that I wish that I had simply contacted my credit card company upon receipt of the shipment from GoWarn. They failed to ship me the item I ordered and as far as I am concerned, notwithstanding ANY statements on their website, they should not ONLY pay for the return shipping charges --- but should compensate me for their failure to complete the order as agreed.

I have in the past refused shipments, and had the company send a pick-up order for the faulty/incorrect products. In which case, I simply repacked the items and set them out for the UPS driver.

In my case, I have already modified the winch, something you "might" want to do? I bought the quick-disconnect plugs (cost about $35) and cut the two battery leads that were attached to the winch and then crimped on the plug. Very simple to do if you have the proper tools. Plus to red, negative to black... Fool proof even for me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The price you paid is even lower that the price I paid, so if you MIGHT decide to just keep it?

Of course, you might also discover that your winch is defective? Maybe you too have "blown the solenoids"? Although, I would "guess" that would be carrying the law of probabilities awfully far? I'd bet yours is fine... Wanna bet? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think that once I get the winch back and it is operational, I will attempt, one last time, to reach a mutually agreeable compromise on this matter with GoWarn. I do NOT have any illusions that such will be possible, given their previous attitudes, and if need be, I will be contacting my credit card company and contesting the charge. At that point, maybe a third-party will be able to arbitrate and work out a fair arrangement?

I just talked to the repir shop in Tampa, and the serviceman told me that a wire inside the winch had gotten pinched during assembly and that he had repaired it by splicing the wire. He said that to "correctly" repiar it, he could order a new wiring harness which might take a couple of weeks to get in. More problems...

Sorry again that you found out the hardway about this company...

Ed

[Hummer Man]

Does anyone have the "WINCH BUMPER" ??

"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 11/03/02 - #1 H2 SITE"

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hummer Man:
"Does anyone have the "WINCH BUMPER" ??"
"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 11/03/02 - #1 H2 SITE"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By "WINCH BUMPER", do you mean a sharp, uncomfortable pain in the ass attributed to buying a defective winch from a disreputable company? If so, then yes, I certainly do have one...

"FORUM FOUNDING MEMBER 04/18/03 - #1 H2 SITE"

[BKLYNH2]

I have not heard from gowarn yet. I called twice yesterday and emailed today. What kind of wack company tells you to handle customer service problems through email? I will definitely use that as a big old flag for all future internet purchases.
Good Hummerman, thanks for relaying your experience, you could not have known in advance that I would have bought from this guy, and they appear to be quite legit. Their is definitely truth to the saying "If it looks to good to be true, it probably is." I also have learned that I should complete a transaction first before recommending anything here at the site. The agonizing thing is that I had seen cheap deals on Ebay that I stayed away from because I was afraid of getting screwed. In the end I probably would have more security through ebay, or at least better dispute resolution.(this plug was unsolicited, and I am not an employee of ebay)
That being said, I may not be that screwed. The first question is, if I could get this guy to take the winch back, and send the right one, should I trust them? They may take the winch, open it up and attach the quick connect themselves thereby ruining the seals. I probably wouldn't discover this until it was too late. I could take care of this myself. After all I did get this for a very good price, it might be worthwhile to just get it done. Right now everything is still in the opened boxes. If I can get an exchange I don't want to jeopardize that possibility. So until I here from them it stays there. If after speaking to them it seems like I should just install myself, I will first connect the winch to the battery with the existing wires to check that it works. If I pass that hurdle then we should be able to alter it as you have said.
I would like to hear from more people who have the 9.5 installed because I think the quick connect pre-attached is a new option and some may have had to do this themselves too. I am a little puzzled by Warn stating the housing should not be opened to attach the quick connect. I have looked at the exploded diagram in the owner's manual, and it obviously comes apart. Any authorized service dealer to repair it would also have to open it. If you shine a flashlight towards the housing where the red wire disappears it does not seem like it goes through a waterproof sleeve. Once inside the diagram shows a simple bolted connection for the red lead as well. Does Warn think we can't figure out how to put the parts back?
I don't mean to go on and on about this(especially when you have posted a perfectly acceptable work around), but being somewhat mechanically inclined, I believe that anything that is assembled can be disassembled and reassembled at will. As long as it is done carefully. I had a similar problem with Apple. I got an Ipod, it got sand in it and didn't work, the apple service gurus in all NYC told me I now owned a $400 paperweight. I said no way started to take apart on my own, when I got stuck on how a part should be removed properly I searched the internet and viola, found out how to dissasemble the ipod. One that was done I cleaned it all out and it is still working more than a year since. So the moral of the story is that it can be done, but does any one know how?

Finally Hummer Man (not Good) what is the point of your post. I try not to be overly critical of your prescence, like some, but this time I can't help but question. Did your comment have anything to do with this thread? I would be happy to apologize if I'm wrong, but if I'm not why don't you go play with Andkon, somewhere else!
Peter

[PARAGON]

BKLYNH2

Quit apologizing for posting about this being a good deal until you found out. That's the great thing about this message board. I saw your post, but if I was going to buy the same winch as you, I would have waited to get your results after you installed it.

So, what you have done is save many other forum members from making the same mistake.

[andkon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
I would be happy to apologize if I'm wrong, but if I'm not why don't you go play with Andkon, somewhere else!
Peter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Excellent, dissent stirred among the masses.]

[bklynh2srock]

He was joking andkon. Please go back to your thread or I will send you to bed without dinner. That was a joke, too. Only the latter part, though. Seriously, I would pay heed to Alec's earlier advice to you about staying on your thread unless you want to be squelched.

On the winch front, the winch appears to work, both reeling in and out, and when they called back they acknowledged they sent the wrong one, and had sent the kit to make it a QuickConnect along with the winch (Peter didn't open everything b/c he thought he was sending it back). They offered to walk Peter through the process of adding the QC. So, things have improved. They did seem responsive once they called back, but it's more than a bit nerve-wracking when it doesn't seem like they'll get back to you and you have the wrong winch in hand. We'll let you know how things go on the install and a after a true tryout.

They told us the QC 9.5 will not be out for a few weeks which we have yet to verify elsewhere.

[This message was edited by bklynh2srock on 05-20-03 at 07:07 PM.]

[Skulz]

Any updates on this?
I'm interested in getting a multimount 9.5ti as well and am looking for a nice price like gowarn offers.

What all do you need to order?

Trying to learn, thanks.
-Skulz

[H2Girl]

I just purchased the winch from GOWARN a week ago.
Fast 2 day delivery, no problems and very helpful.
Winch exceeeded my expectations! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[cinci]

H2Girl,

Did the reciever have the vertical mounting pin whole predrilled or did you have to do this yourself? Also, did this come with the wiring for the front mount or was that extra also?

Thanks,
David
Black H2

[DiscoDancingRover]

Skulz you are going to need that winch, for when we pull you out.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rover owner, with light envy...

[H2 Daddy]

BKLYNH2
I think we all went through the same thing.

I ordered the 9.5ti with multi-mount through 4 Wheel Parts Wholesalers. I also received the the unit with the 6 foot battery cables attached, but I also received the shorter cables with the quick-connect end. So I thought oh no big deal, I will just switch the cables. Holy S#*t, It took me about 5 minutes to take the unit apart and switch the cables, but an hour and a half to get it back together again. During reassembally I started to worry about not being able to get it back together. The spool in the middle of the two cases has a spindle on each end. There are numerous gears on each end of the spindles. In short all the gears have to line up just right before a spindle on one end will drop in. After one end is in, you have to get the other end in and guess what? Once you get the other end in, the first end comes out. After attempting this many times the stars lined up and both ends lined up and the cases when together. What a relief. The winch works perfectly. I have used the winch to pull my H2 out of a high center situation in sand.

The seals didn't seam to be any big deal. They were just O-Rings seated in grease, one at each end. One did fall out of it's race though after I had gotten the spindle on that end in, so I had to take it back apart to put the O-Ring back on.

The Multi-mount was also a pain, but I think I may have caused that problem. When I drilled the vertical hole in the MM, I pushed the MM all the way into the receiver to mark the location of the hole. After I drilled the hole, the lock pin was tight. If I had pulled the MM out a small amount before marking the hole location, I would them have been able to wiggle the MM and locking pin around. I solved the problem by taking the bumper off and enlarging the hole that the locking pin goes through with a rotatory tool. I then primed and painted the bare metal. The locking pin now drops in easily.

[TheGoodHummerMan]

Without a doubt, this is one of the worst companies I have ever dealt with. All I can say is that if you deal with them, after reading this thread, you deserve everything you get.

Maybe you will be lucky? Hopefully so. Apparently H2Girl was lucky???

The pricing is exceptional. But, when I called and talked to the head man at gowarn, he informed me in no uncertain terms that that they really couldn't care less about any of my "problems" with 9.5 Warn winch because they only made a profit of about $50 on it. Quoting: "What do you expect from us? We only make 50 bucks on the deal!"

Maybe this type of attitude is acceptable to you, if so, by all means jump right in and order it from them. Warn Inc. told me after I bought the winch that www.gowarn.com (http://www.gowarn.com) (aka internet pioneering) is not an authorized WARN dealer. All I know is that they did NOTHING to help me. They were rude, didn't return calls as promised and basically didn't care that the winch they shipped to me was not functional or complete. They even charged me for "free" shipping... After a lot of effort on my part (several trips to the nearest authorized dealer) I finally have a winch that does function. No thanks at all to gowarn though!

Call the folks at Warn Inc. and ask them about the 9.5ti winch, and this unauthorized dealer. Then figure out how much horrible service is worth and then decide whether or not you feel lucky.

I hope that H2Daddy never finds out that he has voided his warranty by taking his winch apart... Of course, with any "luck" the 90-day warranty will never be needed?

Ed

[H2Girl]

When I had called GOWARN to place my order, I questioned them on the problems previously mentioned by other members of this board. They admitted to having some complications with the quick disconnect in some of the first shipped units but assured me that that has been addessed and taken care of. Since they had a supplier in NY, It took only 2 days to arrive to me. Everything was as described and shipping was free as there promotion stated on the website. The multimount did not come predrilled for the vertical mounting pin but that's really easy to drill out as long as you have a 1/2" drill and a 5/8th steel bit. To make it easier, use the rear hitch and place the multimount in sideways and use the hitch holes as guides. I also drilled about 1 1/2" back from the original horizontal holes so that the winch fits closer to the front hitch.
Cincih2: The winch came with everything needed to wire it to the front and the only things I purchased extra was the roller fairlead and 20'extention so I could use the winch in the rear hitch.

[Big Z]

Send it back and Go Ramsey! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Skulz]

I'm confused. There is a "red letter" Warn dealer in my area that will do the installation and everything. However, they say that the multimount for the 9.5ti isn't even out yet (July 3 or so). Their price is 1199 for the winch & mount, 155 for the wiring to the rear, and labor is additional.

Obviously I'm now very confused and have no idea what any of you really got with your order. I think my brain is having a melt down.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>WARN Red Letter Dealers are an elite group of WARN authorized retail outlets that help provide consumers with the highest level of WARN brand product information, availability and service. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[H2Girl]

Hey Skulz,
Tell your dealer to get with the program. The 9.5 Ti has been out. Here's the link for you priced at $957 for the winch and multimount and $109.95 for the 20' wiring for the rearhttp://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR65735
http://www.gowarn.com/electrical.htm

[H2Girl]

Sorry, here's the link for the winch :
http://www.gowarn.com/cbSearch.asp?Product_ID=WAR65735

[Skulz]

H2Girl, thanks for the link. I'll bring it up with the dealer.

Still, the lady said they weren't out from warn yet. I'm going by their shop later this afternoon to check let them see the H2 to get a feel for installation.

[TheGoodHummerMan]

Skulz,

Warn released the 9.5ti winch a few months ago. It comes without a multi-mount bracket and has 72" leads for connecting to your vehicle's battery.

Warn has also announced that they have a multi-mount model, complete with the short leads and a quick-connect adaptor. However, it is NOT available at this time. Maybe tomorrow? Maybe July 3rd?

After speaking directly with a represenative at Warn Inc. I was told that the 9.5ti winch was a major improvement and development and that it includes very special seals to protect the winch when it gets wet, as winches have been known to do. He also told me that disassembly of the 9.5ti winch to switch cables would invalidate the warranty and probably ruin the seals leading to premature winch failure. Of course, maybe this is not true? Maybe the people who manufacture these winches don't know what they are talking about, but the unauthorized sales outlet, gowar.com knows better?

I would suggest that you listen to the RED letter dealer! The price they are quoting you is about the same as what gowarn ripped me off for and I would suggest that you will be much better off dealing with a reputable dealer.

Gowarn.com charged me full shipping even though it was supposed to be free. They then refunded $45 for shipping which meant I only paid about half price for shipping. But it sure wasn't free as they advertised. They also did not ship the quick-connect cables to me. They didn't even know what they were until I called and told them. I had to drive 120 miles to the closest repuatble dealer and pay over $30 for the quick-connects out of my pocket. Gowarn never reimbursed me for this.

Finally, after getting everything wired up, the winch was defective. I had to make two additional 120 mile trips to get it fixed. Gowarn's comment? "Tough ****." Sorry for the language, but that is the direct quote. They went on to explain to me that they only made 50 bucks on the deal and had no intentions of being helpful or adjusting my price or send me the quick-connect cable it was supposed to come with and that I paid for.

If H2Girl likes her service from gowarn, good for her. But doing business with a company with this type of attitude is risky indeed! Caveat Emptor!

Ed

[BKLYNH2]

In the end my experience lies somewhere between Ed and H2Girl.
First H2Girl are you sure you got the 9.5ti winch with multimount? I ask this because after I got my a la carte version Gowarn told me the package was not yet available. secondly the 9.5ti winch comes with a roller fairlead and should not be an extra charge. It sounds like you got the 9000i. While I can't explain the roller fairlead it is possible that they are having their dealers assemble the whole thing due to the complaints they have been getting.

Please read the thread from the beginning to find out what happened to me, as far as what I ordered and what I got. While I do not want to recommend this company based on their customer service, I believe that this is still the cheapest deal out there for this winch. Prepared with the info on this thread and a few others on how to wire the winch, I think the cost is still worth the aggrevation. I also had to remind gowarn to credit me for shipping, and also be sure to compare their pricing on the winch accessory kits to other sites, because they may stick it to you there.
If you decide to order through them and get the a la carte version like I did( not by choice) here are some tips:
First take out the winch, place it on something high next to the H2 and connect the leads on the winch to your battery. Connect the winch remote and run the winch cable out about 8 feet and back in again. This will ensure that you were sent a working winch, before you modify anything that will make a return a problem. Please keep your hands away from the cable spool when doing this as winches are good at removing fingers.
Now if you have a working winch check all the boxes to make sure that you also got: The multi mount frame, two sets of power leads with quick connect plugs attached, and a package containing two quick connect plugs one of which will be for putting the quick connect end on the leads already on the winch. If you ordered the 9.5ti multimount package these are the items they should(and did) send. FYI if you order the wiring kit for the rear, order the twenty foot set which in my case came with the solenoid disconnect to terminate power from battery to winch with a switch. Take the shorter power leads with disconnect and through it away, you do not need or want to jeprodize the warranty when there is an easier way. I assembled the winch on the multimount and then brought the winch and wiring and plug kit to gas station service shop next door. I brought them a print out of the thread on the site re. wiring for the rear and explained that they had to cut the leads coming off the winch at an approriate length and attach the quick connect plug. They did everything wiring, front and back and solenoid switch for 150$. I think it was well worth it.
Hope this helps you make up your mind. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[H2Girl]

BKLYNH2,
Sorry to tell you but what you got was a put together kit. The 9.5 Ti winch when bought alone does come with roller fairlead but when bought with the multimount kit does not. Even WARN sells them this way : http://products.warn.com/warn.nsf/warn?openframeset&frame=body&src=/warn.nsf/pages/TruckProducts.Main.html

Mine came delivered in a sealed Warn box with the pictured WARN 9.5Ti multimount setup

[H2Girl]

Sorry wrong link. Here's the correct one



http://products.warn.com/warn.nsf/pages/TruckProducts.Winches.9.5tiMulti-Mount.html

[Skulz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>9.5ti Multi-Mount Kit includes winch, remote, carrier, 7.5' power lead with quick connect plug for front of vehicle and hawse fairlead. Front receiver and rear power lead sold separately.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you wanted a roller fairlead in addition to the hawse? I had to reread that a few times.

So besides the multimount and the rear power, do I need to purchase anything else? A roller fairlead?

Oh, I talked to the red letter warn dealer and will probably give my business to them instead of gowarn.

I'd still like to know what all I should get though.

Thanks for the replies.

-Skulz

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skulz:
"So you wanted a roller fairlead in addition to the hawse? I had to reread that a few times. So besides the multimount and the rear power, do I need to purchase anything else? A roller fairlead? Oh, I talked to the red letter warn dealer and will probably give my business to them instead of gowarn. I'd still like to know what all I should get though. Thanks for the replies."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Skulz,

Wise choice in my opinion. Call Warn Inc. directly and speak to any representative. Ask them if gowarn is an authorized dealer. I truly regret dealing with them. I frequently buy things from internet merchants. Generally speaking it is a very good way to save money. After doing business with the rude and obnoxious people at gowarn, I realized that I had made a huge mistake. You can bet that I will NOT make the same mistake twice, and forums like the H2Forum are really useful for exposing disreputable merchants like gowarn.

Overcharging, not refunding, not shipping and not supporting their sales? Not a good record if you ask me...

By the way, I replaced the brand-new 5/16 steel cable with X-Line synthetic cable and replaced the roller fairlead with an aluminum hawse from Off Road Only.

If you're interested in either of these, they were never used and I will sell them cheap. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ed

[Skulz]

Ed,

I think I'll probably doing business with the red letter warn dealer. I have a catalogue for Warn stuff and the pictures are deceiving in size! I'm waiting to hear back from the warn dealer on some information, but I might be interested in your roller fairlead. Don't hold it on my account though!

I'm glad H2Girl got a good deal from gowarn. I know they (gowarn) aren't an authorized dealer as was mentioned in previous postings. I'm the type of person that needs good service on this stuff, and that is what I based my decision on. I usually go with internet sales, but this is one of the exceptions.

-Skulz

[BKLYNH2]

H2 girl
Wow! you got the real deal from them, congrats I think your the first. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I guess they got the full kit sooner than they were predicting. Actually, mine was not even put together,it came "lot's of assembly required" which is why I am not too thrilled with Gowarn either.
I wonder why they(WARN) package the hawse type fairlead with the multimount? I always thought a roller is more desirable.
Skulz- Sounds like your making a good choic for you. Getting all the right parts is somewhat confusing. For instance I had decided not to get the solenoid disconnect and was just going to attach direct to battery. Then the rear cable kit came with the solenoid switch anyway, eventhough this is not explained in the product description. Since it came, I installed it and am now glad I did.
Peter

[Skulz]

Peter,

From what I see in the catalog, all of the multimount winches come with the hawse instead of the roller.

I agree that the disconnect switch/rear power lead isn't very well explained in the product description.

-Skulz

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skulz:
Ed,
"I think I'll probably doing business with the red letter warn dealer. I have a catalogue for Warn stuff and the pictures are deceiving in size! I'm waiting to hear back from the warn dealer on some information, but I might be interested in your roller fairlead. Don't hold it on my account though!
I'm glad H2Girl got a good deal from gowarn. I know they (gowarn) aren't an authorized dealer as was mentioned in previous postings. I'm the type of person that needs good service on this stuff, and that is what I based my decision on. I usually go with internet sales, but this is one of the exceptions."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree completely! H2Girl didn't have problems AND saved money which is great. I'm just envious! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Kind of like shooting craps? I'm usually pretty lucky, but not this time. Hopefully everything is good to go now... I know that I felt like a super-goon explaining to the local dealer who repaired my winch about how badly gowarn had been to deal with. Definitely NOT worth the lower price.

I'm going to "eventually" list the steel winch cable and fairlead on eBay. If I procrastinate as long as usual, you can take your time deciding about the fairlead. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I really like the synthetic cable. I can manhandle the winch by myself now (with the synthetic line it is considerably lighter). Before, it was a real chore for just me, but then again, I'm not as strong as I think. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Doesn't the winch come with the roller fairlead... You probably won't need another one. But if you quickly kink your 5/16" steel cable and want a never-been-used replacement, let me know. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"Then the rear cable kit came with the solenoid switch anyway, even though this is not explained in the product description. Since it came, I installed it and am now glad I did."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Peter,

Because I didn't get the quick-connect from gowarn (after paying for it), I had to buy one and discovered that they come in sets of two. I took the "spare" quick-disconnect and replaced one end on a set of heavy-duty battery cables and now I am ready to "quickly" give jump starts. The best part is that with the solenoid, making physical connections to the other battery is isloated from my electrical system and until I flip the switch to the solenoid and energize the circuit --- no sparks and reduced danger of damage. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Now, I probably won't see anyone needing a jump... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Ed

[BKLYNH2]

Thanks Ed thats a great idea. It sure beats spending the coin on the Warn set of jumper cables. I did get my set included in my deal so maybe this experience is turning out better than I thought.
Peter

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
"I did get my set included in my deal so maybe this experience is turning out better than I thought."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Peter,

Is that salt you are rubbing in my wound? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

[Skulz]

Talked to the red letter warn dealer today & need to call back this afternoon for more details but:

Warn doesn't support the drilling of the vertical hole in the receiver for the 9.5ti. Thus, the dealer probably won't do the drill for liability issues. As of yet, there isn't a horizontal mount out yet for the H2. I'm not sure if the XD9000i has the horizontal pin or not. I know GM supports one of the warn winches but don't really know how it is attached. If anyone could post, that would help me out.

And I thought getting stuck sucks...

-Skulz

[Big Z]

Have the hole drilled, and weld the others if you feel the need. All the cradles are the same. It's the cradle not the winch that is pinned.

[Big Z]

#2

[BKLYNH2]

Skulz-
While Big Z tries to futher complicate your decision http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, with more choices, I recommend not sweating the small stuff. Winching is not a simple or neccessarily safe operation, if the winch is not just for show and you intend to use it you should also feel capable enough to make the alterations yourself. Please read all the threads on setting up a winch in this forum . Everything you need to know is here at least twice. All multimounts for H2's need to be set up with the vert pin. Take the plunge. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Skulz]

Ok, don't remember them all needing the vert pin, but thanks for answering the question.

Just trying to learn how to do things. Having some problems finding consistent answers with this stuff.

Again, thanks for the reply.

[Skulz]

Dealer called warn ...
Warn has a contract with GM that they sell the mounts to with the vertical holes. Warn dealers/warn are not allowed to sell these aftermarket. They do not recommend drilling holes in aftermarket mounts. The warn dealer will not install the winch for me and said he really shouldn't even sell it to me because he knows I'll have to drill the vertical hole.

Sounds like GM has a monopoly on the warn winch mounts unless you want to take the liability with weaking the mount by drilling the vertical hole.

Personally, I don't really feel comfortable with drilling the hole or increasing the liability for me or others.

Thanks for the input, and I guess I'll have to look at other options...

[TheGoodHummerMan]

Skulz,

This is a bigger issue than JUST a matter of a winch mount.

The "issue" is caused or was created when GM/AMG decided to use a verticle pin in the front receiver of the Hummer H2. I am not positive, but I think that this "might" be the only verticly pinned receiver in production? Does anyone know of another company that uses a verticle pin?

The simple fact is: in order to USE the front receiver, the hitch's mounting must have a verticle hole for to match the H2's front receiver. Since this is NOT an option standardly offered from any hitch accessory manufacturer (I have gone to several hitch suppliers and had them check their sources) this leaves a H2 owner two choices. Either do not use the front receiver OR adapt each device to fit by drilling a verticle hole. Pretty simple --- one or the other?

So, for example, I want to use my front receiver to position my 30' travel trailer when I get to RV parks. The amount of control is remarkably increased by switching from the rear receiver to the front receiver. I can park it with much better control and precisely align the trailer. BUT, I couldn't do it without drilling a verticle hole...

Does this significantly weaken the hitch's strength? I don't think so. It's just one extra hole in a significant and strong chunk of hardened steel. Regarding towing and not winching, those who are concerned that the hitch might be weakened --- can simply opt to by an extender. This can then be drilled with a verticle hole, and adapt devices to fit on a Hummer H2. That way, when you later return to using the device with the rear hitch it is NOT drilled or weakened. Costs about $29-$59 depending upon the size of the extender you chose, from 6" to 24" in Reese equipment.

Me, I just drilled. Haven't had a problem and the hitch LOOKS fine after towing things or winching.

One other thought. The front hitch is reportedly NOT close to being as strongly designed as the rear. I believe, although I don't have any proof, that the front receiver itself would fail before you would ever have an issue with a the verticly drilled winch mount failing. Something to think about anyway?

As for liability. Show me a company who can disregard ANY matter involving liability and I will show you a company embroiled in litigation. In the litiginous country we live in, comapnies have to go to "ridiculous" lengths to cover their liabilities... So, I am not surprised that Warn has such policies.

Ed

[cinci]

I have just received my Warn 9.5ti winch http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I purchased the multimount winch, which did come with the standard fairlead instead of the roller, from http://www.truckaddons.com instead of http://www.gowarn.com http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I called GoWarn twice to attempt to order from them but they didn't return the call and I was reluctant to order from them with out a conversation after reading some of your experiences. TruckAddons couldn't believe their price but looked at their web sight and agreed to sell it for $995. I paid $1110 for the winch and the rear wiring kit including shipping.

Which brings me to my real question. Where is every one mounting the solenoid http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I feel really stupid since I have searched this sight and appear to be the first person to ask this question. However, the walls of the engine bay around the battery is pretty full with factory equipment. Any suggestions or pictures would be greatly appreciated.

P.S.(Thank you all for all of the information on the winch, wiring, and other H2 information.)

Thanks,
David
Black H2

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cincih2:
"Which brings me to my real question. Where is every one mounting the solenoid"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
David,

You could mount it in any number of places. But, we decided to mount it underneath the black, metal "corner brace" plate on the driver's side. My son has my camera, or I would post a picture. It is tucked away, out-of-the-way, but also fairly close to the red box that we tapped for power. This is the same brace that you are supposed to remove in order to access the fusebox. So, it could potentially be a nuisance if you need to remove the fusebox cover often? But, after trying to figure out some preferable place, we settled on there.

Someone else might have an even better place. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ed

[PARAGON]

I found this site after seeing a post where someone bought the Cibie lights for their DRL solution. They seem to have put thought into providing the winch setup correctly. They'll even provide the X-line prewound.

Hummer Solutions: Off-Road Equipment (http://www.hummersolutions.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=HSC&Category_Code=OR100)

[H2 Daddy]

Thanks Paragon. Hummer Solutions is a great site. I wish I knew about them before I bought my winch. I went through all the trouble everybody else has who bought a non-H2 ready winch system. The only thing I wonder about is, is there also a horizontal hole in the multi-mount? Both holes are needed if you want to be able to mount the winch on either end of the H2. Drilling the hole is not hard if you have a drill-press. If you don't any machine shop can do it for a few dollars.

[TheGoodHummerMan]

Yeah, Paragon,

Good Find...

I replaced the steel cable with the X-Line synthetic and was very impressed with its quality. The only concern that I have is that the X-Line might be too strong. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This definitely looks like THE place to get a Warn 9.5ti for a H2.

Ed

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2 Daddy:
Thanks Paragon. Hummer Solutions is a great site. I wish I knew about them before I bought my winch. I went through all the trouble everybody else has who bought a non-H2 ready winch system. The only thing I wonder about is, is there also a horizontal hole in the multi-mount? Both holes are needed if you want to be able to mount the winch on either end of the H2. Drilling the hole is not hard if you have a drill-press. If you don't any machine shop can do it for a few dollars.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't ordered from them, so I don't know for sure, but the regular multimount from Warn has the horizontal and I would think that Hummer Solutions simply pops the vertical hole in themselves. I am seriously considering selling my current winch and going with the 9.5ti. For me it is an aesthetics thing and call me crazy, but I like the way the 9.5ti looks.

[cinci]

Ed,

Thank you very much for the advice on placement for the solenoid. I will look at that when I get home tonight.

HummerSolutions appears to be a very good outfit. While I wasn't aware of them prior to purchasing the winch, when I was looking for the X-Line I found that they have the best price and I ordered from them. They were very knowledgeable and helpful on the phone. They also carry additional parts that they haven't been able to list on their website yet. So if you are looking for something from one of the companies that they carry I would recommend that you give them a call even if you don't see it listed on their sight.

Thanks,
David
Black H2

[Skulz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>quote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2 Daddy:
Thanks Paragon. Hummer Solutions is a great site. I wish I knew about them before I bought my winch. I went through all the trouble everybody else has who bought a non-H2 ready winch system. The only thing I wonder about is, is there also a horizontal hole in the multi-mount? Both holes are needed if you want to be able to mount the winch on either end of the H2. Drilling the hole is not hard if you have a drill-press. If you don't any machine shop can do it for a few dollars.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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I haven't ordered from them, so I don't know for sure, but the regular multimount from Warn has the horizontal and I would think that Hummer Solutions simply pops the vertical hole in themselves. I am seriously considering selling my current winch and going with the 9.5ti. For me it is an aesthetics thing and call me crazy, but I like the way the 9.5ti looks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm kicking myself for this one. It is my own fault for not looking at both of the receivers. Pretty much there will be a need for either a vertical or horizontal hole drilled if you want to go the multimount route.

Still, you have all provided a great amount of information on the subject of winches and I'm appreciative!


-Skulz

[H2 Daddy]

Cincih2

I did not want to mess with my H2's electrical system so I had Warn winch system installed by the dealer. They mounted the solenoid on the plastic cover shield of the truck's computer. See photo. The switch was mounted in the overhead counsel. The switch location is convenient and look stock.

[TonkaH2]

I meant to ask - when I got my Warn from a local 4X place [they threw in the rear wiring loom for free] I was disappointed to find that the cover they give you won't work with the multi-mount. I may not be smart enough to get it, but it can't be that hard. Anybody figure this out?

Also, I've been running around without the cover on it [with all the flooding we've had here it's been wet a LOT] and I wonder if it can take it...

-Jack
Yellow H2 adv. Warn winch
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