cruise control sucks donky ding dongs!!! [Archive]

TheGoodHummerMan

06-22-2003, 12:03 AM

Here in Florida (the FLAT state) I immediately noticed a difference after being used to driving a Yukon Denali for several years. When I have the cruise control set at 75mph, it maintains the speed just fine, until I come to a standard overpass. About half-way to the top, the cruise control causes the transmission to downshift and the rpms go from about 2250 to a little over 3000 rpms and the speed jumps from 75 to about 78mph. Then, as we reach the top of the overpass (not a steep hill by ANYONE'S judgement) the transmission shifts back, the rpms return to 2250 and the speed drops back to 75mph.

While I don't know if this qualifies as being a suction event --- it is definitely irritating, and the cruise on the GMC Yukon did not act this way. I have noticed that when accelerating up to 75mph on the level interstate, the transmission seems to stay in third gear (about 2500 rpm) until I back off on the accelerator pedal slightly. At that point, the transmission shifts and the revs drop from 2500 to 2250. Not a very big difference? Is this typical too? Is that the "overdrive" gearing?

What is torque control management? (in fifty words or less?)

Is this what they talk about regarding programmers being able to change shift points???

Ed

"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity"

Albie

06-22-2003, 12:42 AM

theGoodhummerman I've been to Miami and its not a FLAT State...LOL ( South Beach)

MAC

06-22-2003, 01:27 AM

According to my observation, with cruise control on, even on very constant steep climb, I am talking about 7,000 ft elevation mountain pass not freeway overpass, the speed remained constantly same. There were downshifts with RPM jump, but the RPM drops down soon. The downshifts sounded and felt quite smooth. All that seems quite logical to me, the auto is trying to maintain a steady preset speed going up hill, doing what it was ordered to do.

TheGoodHummerMan

06-22-2003, 01:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
According to my observation..."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

Please try and pay attention. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe because you live on a mountain you never have this happen because you are constantly climbing steeply or descending???

The cruise control SHOULD kick in when going up STEEP mountains... If it didn't you wouldn't be cruising?

BUT, the issue at hand is NOT on steep grades, but rather on minimal, almost non-existant grades. For EXAMPLE: in my Denali I would be traveling down the interstate at 75mph and come to an overpass. The Denali would just go right over it, with no change in rpms or no action with the cruise control. Speed constant. No shifts.

Now, when traveling on the same interstate highway in my H2, going the exact same speed of 75mph, the H2 gets about halfway to the top of the overpass (the same overpass as in the previous example) but suddenly, abrubtly and with a huge lurch --- the cruise control causes the transmission to downshift, the revs jump from 2250 rpms to about 3100 rpms. The speed increases from 75 to about 78 or 79. Then since the grade is almost non-existant, the H2 quickly reaches the top and the transmission shifts back and the rpms fall back to 2250 and the speed returns to the preset 75 mph.

This happens on almost EVERY overpass. It is extremely noticeable and seemingly unneccesary? The Denali never did this, unless the grade was much steeper. Even then, the speed would pretty much (within 1 mph) stay the same.

I've noticed that you can get this sudden downshift to happen sometimes by hitting the accerate button on the cruise control a couple of times in a row (speeding up 2 mph).

Is this something to do with shift points or torque management?

Ed

Albie: I didn't know silicone counted... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MAC

06-22-2003, 02:04 AM

"On regular flat freeway with minor hills cruise control works flawlessly. Only on rare steep climb... "

You are losing it, got to pay attention to words, but let me just say it again in English. On regular flat freeway with minor hills cruise control works flawlessly, without any downshift nor RPM jump, including overpasses. I have seen this subject before so I have been paying attention and making mental notes. This included going over San Mateo bridge which has a section that rises way above the water to allow ocean going vessels to pass under it. The climb is not sharp not constant and goes up high.

TheGoodHummerMan

06-22-2003, 03:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"You are losing it, got to pay attention to words, but let me just say it again in English. On regular flat freeway with minor hills cruise control works flawlessly"

"This included going over San Mateo bridge which has a section that rises way above the water to allow ocean going vessels to pass under it. The climb is not sharp not constant and goes up high."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

Me losing it? Maybe so. Maybe you can explain so I can understand --- your previous comment in the message dated 6/21/03 at 7:42pm PDT? Quoting you exactly:

"According to my observation, with cruise control on, even on very constant steep climb, I am talking about 7,000 ft elevation mountain pass not freeway overpass, the speed remained constantly same."

"VERY CONSTANT STEEP CLIMB"??? 7000 feet??? But now you claim you said "minor hills"? And then in the next sentence you say it "goes up high". (see quote at top of this message) Yep, I am very confused. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I guess we MIGHT be talking semantics? What is high to you is not high to me or vice versa? I'll admit that you have me so confused now that I am not sure what we were talking about. You do agree that your H2 downshifts when using the cruise control, "on regular flat freeway with minor hills"? Aren't you agreeing with the event, but maybe just disagreeing about the degree of its impact or feel while driving???

How do you explain the fact that my GMC Denali did NOT do this but the H2 does? If I quantify it as being jolting and rather severe but you say yours is nearly imperceptible --- maybe your H2 is not experiencing the same thing to the same degree? Obviously several other people have reported a similarly "disturbing" occurence. So, it probably isn't just one person's imagination? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

While it might be of interest and even helpful to know that you are not experiencing this problem, it doesn't mean that there isn't a problem, does it? Here on the west coast of Florida the interstate highways are pretty much flat & level. Generally speaking, the ONLY hills are those that are man-made for the purpose of creating an overpass. They are very common however, and almost EVERY single one I cross causes this behavior. It is quite distracting and bothersome and disrupts an otherwise extremely pleasant and comfortable ride.

It is almost as if the cruise control is too sensitive? Or, maybe it has something to do with shift points or torque management (whatever that is). All I know is that the Denali did NOT do this, nor any other cruise control equipped vehicle I can remember owning...

Irregardless, it certainly looks, after re-reading your messages, like it is your wording that is most suspect, more than my comprehension anyways? But don't sweat it, you don't need to apologize... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

WhiteH2Kid

06-22-2003, 04:19 AM

The H2s have cruise control?...

TheGoodHummerMan

06-22-2003, 05:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by WhiteH2Kid:
"The H2s have cruise control?..."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They sure do, and some have colors too. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

DURAMAX TIM

06-22-2003, 11:21 AM

White H2 Kid, I thought cruise control was the right foot firmly planted on the floor and let computer take care of it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

NSXer

06-22-2003, 03:41 PM

goodhummerman--> mine does exactly what yours does! very aggitating!! None of my other vehicles do that crap. (Expedition,F350,E350,NSX,Aucra 3.2TL)It's got to be the computer, because you can drive it "manually" without the downshifts! What gives????

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TheGoodHummerMan

06-22-2003, 05:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
"South Texas is very flat and I will not use the CC as it is seriously badly setup. The slightest hill will have it kicking down, yet I don't need to kick down to maintain the same speed if not using CC. It even kicks down on the flat sometimes just for fun. It maintains the speed very well, but shifts way too much, for me anyway."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
PhilD,

I've had the downshift on level ground too, but I was afraid that if I claimed that, Mac would have a major fit and call me a bull in a china shop again. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Badrap is supposed to report if reprogramming the computer helps with this problem, but he hasn't reported in after several days. Hopefully he is just too busy enjoying his better functioning cruise control to post a reply? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm a real fan of cruise control. Can't imagine not having it, especially on long, boringly repetitive trips... But, I think I might have to join you and stop using it. Uggggh! How horrible. There MUST be some fix for this??? Maybe if you select the TOW mode for everyday cruise control use it would solve the problem? Just run in third gear ALL the time... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Has anyone officially contacted Hummer Inc? Time to look the number up, I guess?

Ed

BADRAP

06-23-2003, 12:06 AM

Ok, have had programmer installed now for several days, I used the cruise control over this weekend and I have been using premium unleaded fuel as required and I saw some improvement. Although the cruise control still kicked down, it did not do so until I was way up on a bridge or overpass, and did not do it all the time. I kept it set at 70 mph...So if that is info, hope it helps...I am installing the Airaid stuff this week and the TB will be on tomorrow. Still going to do the Mass Air Flow sensor this week too.. I will follow with more updates....

If you want to get a programmer just let me know..Also have the airaid stuff too..

BADRAP
03 H2, Lux, Pewter, Granatelli Diablo Programmer, Airaid intake, TB Spacer, more stuff soon..
H2 Club - Houston Chapter..
badrap@sbcglobal.net

blg615

06-23-2003, 12:43 AM

I just came back from 1000 mile trip, and yes the downshifting cruise control was very annoying!

MAC

06-23-2003, 12:58 AM

Ed has a way to go on and on and break down the letters and words that no man can remain sane and unconfused after reading his message. Just to think about how I need to tell the story again to make him understand makes me tired (how’s that as a clear sentence?) I have seen his victims unknowingly tried to answer his questions one by one, only to get trapped even deeper hopelessly. I used the cruise for a few miles on 280 freeway today, there is no flat freeway on 280 which runs through the coastal mountains, it was just not a problem to me. I’ll try the cruise again tomorrow, we have to go to San Jose tomorrow night for a dinner. Hold your horses.

TheGoodHummerMan

06-23-2003, 03:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"Ed has a way to go on and on and break down the letters and words that no man can remain sane and unconfused after reading his message. Just to think about how I need to tell the story again to make him understand makes me tired (how’s that as a clear sentence?) I have seen his victims unknowingly tried to answer his questions one by one, only to get trapped even deeper hopelessly. I used the cruise for a few miles on 280 freeway today, there is no flat freeway on 280 which runs through the coastal mountains, it was just not a problem to me. I’ll try the cruise again tomorrow, we have to go to San Jose tomorrow night for a dinner. Hold your horses."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

To be perfectly honest, your last message wasn't very clear at all. Maybe it's just me, or maybe you've been reading too many of my messages? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The strain seems to be getting to you my friend!

Okay. Let's see if I interpret you correctly: You drove on the 280? It isn't a flat highway? It goes through coastal mountains? You experienced NO problems with excessive downshifting while on this trip?

How did I do? Is that what you intended to say?

At the risk of irritating you even more (a risk I am glad to accept) I think we are not communicating at all. I am getting weary of explaining to you that the complaint about the cruise control causing unexpected and unnecessary downshifts is caused when driving on FLAT highwways. You continually report that you have no problems and then state that you are driving in hilly terrain. I agree with you completely that when going up a steep hill the cruise control SHOULD cause the transmission to downshift in an effort to maintain the set speed. I am NOT arguing with you on this point. We agree!

But, on flat, level ground, the cruise control causes the transmission on MY Hummer H2 to downshift. Instead of maintaining a relatively constant speed --- the vehicle speeds up! After only a few seconds, the transmission shifts back into fourth gear and the speed returns to what it was originally set at.

Maybe your H2 does NOT exhibit this behavior? If not, I am thrilled for you... But it does apparently happen to others besides me. Why do you single me out for your personal attacks? Look back over this very thread and unless you are more weary than you sound, you should notice others reporting this exact same behavior.

If you reply one more time about how your H2 does fine while driving in mountainous or hilly terrain, I will stop discussing this with you, and place your name in my personal book of suspected terrorists. You might be impressed to know that yours will be the first name in my book. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Take two aspirin (if you are not allergic to aspirin) and get a good nights rest. Things will surely look better in the morning?

Ed

TheGoodHummerMan

06-23-2003, 03:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by BADRAP:
"Although the cruise control still kicked down, it did not do so until I was way up on a bridge or overpass, and did not do it all the time. I kept it set at 70 mph...So if that is info, hope it helps."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the report Badrap! Not sure if it helps much though. My cruise control doesn't always cause a downshift either and it already does it only when "way up on a bridge or overpass". It doesn't sound like the programmer had much affect on this matter.

Did you turn off the H2's torque management? I am not sure what it is, I've just read that it can be turned off...

Maybe if you tweak and fine tune the computer's settings at some point it will make a difference?

Anyway, thanks again, Ed

NSXer

06-23-2003, 02:51 PM

what can we do? does anyone have an inside connection somewhere at gm? Surely, they didn't expect the cruise to work like it does! No way! I mean.... did they test it? Did the guy who was in charge of the cruise control skip work that day? Don't get me wrong... I love the H2, but for $55K, you expect simple things like "cruise control" to be handled!

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Big Z

06-23-2003, 03:55 PM

Does it do what it's suppose to do??--Yes.
Does it do It Differently than your use to?-- reason for the thread.
Is It, Like Nothing Else? Absolutly.
Is it working correctly?--I think so!
I use the cruse a lot. I thought there was something wrong at first also, but have since, changed my mind. What I thought was annoying, was the H2 trying to maintain the set speed, (what ever the load) for the weight, and terrain it's in. The H2 Will downshift 2 or 3 gears to maintain your setpoint. Small inclines, overpasses, and hills, Pull it Down to third or just let it do it's thing. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

czar

06-23-2003, 04:23 PM

My parents old Ford Econoline Custom van used to do the same thing. Everytime you were going uphill with the cruise on it had to drop a gear or two to maintain speed.

TheGoodHummerMan

06-23-2003, 04:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Big Z:
"Does it do what it's suppose to do??--Yes.
Does it do It Differently than your use to?-- reason for the thread.
Is It, Like Nothing Else? Absolutly.
Is it working correctly?--I think so!
I use the cruse a lot. I thought there was something wrong at first also, but have since, changed my mind. What I thought was annoying, was the H2 trying to maintain the set speed, (what ever the load) for the weight, and terrain it's in. The H2 Will downshift 2 or 3 gears to maintain your setpoint. Small inclines, overpasses, and hills, Pull it Down to third or just let it do it's thing. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought Mac was hard to understand until you posted this message...

When you refer to "IT" do you mean the Hummer H2 or the H2's cruise control?

You say that you thought something was wrong with the way the cruise control was working on your H2 and found it annoying --- and then say you changed your mind. What happened to change your mind? Maybe a head injury or illness?
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You said: "What I thought was annoying, was the H2 trying to maintain the set speed, (what ever the load) for the weight, and terrain it's in."

I don't find the cruise control annoying when it causes a downshift when going up a steep hill --- that is exactly what it should do. But it should not do that when driving on level, almost perfectly flat, terrain!

If you do NOT have the cruise control on and you approach a relatively FLAT overpass my H2 does not shift down in order to maintain the speed. As a matter of fact, I can speed up while going over an overpass and not cause the transmission to shift down to a lower gear.

But, with the cruise control on, going over the very same overpass, the transmission downshifts, engine rpms increase and almost immediately the transmission shifts back into fourth gear. It is still annoying to me...

In fact, although it happens very rarely, I have experienced occasions when the cruise control causes a downshift when not going up any hill at all. Maybe a gust of wind triggers it? In any case, it is quite annoying...

I have owned MANY vehicles made by GM, cars, vans, trucks and SUVs --- that all had cruise control and I have never experienced this behavior before.

Is your suggestion for addressing this irritating problem to either always drive in third gear or to just accept the annoying downshifts? Why wouldn't it be appropriate to contact Hummer and ask about this problem?

Ed

TheGoodHummerMan

06-23-2003, 05:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NSXer:
"what can we do? does anyone have an inside connection somewhere at gm? Surely, they didn't expect the cruise to work like it does!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
NSXer:

I don't have any "inside connections" but I just called the U.S. Hummer Customer Assistance Center (866-486-6376) and was told that there are no recalls or corrections for this problem. I was also told that they could not find any other reports about it, then was given a File number (1-112321502) and they suggested I take it in and have it checked by my dealer.

I don't plan on making a special trip to check on it, but the next time I get up that way (~70 miles away) I plan on "checking" with the dealer.

If anyone else calls in, it will be interesting to see if Hummer still says that no one else has reported this problem...

Ed

NSXer

06-23-2003, 06:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> If you do NOT have the cruise control on and you approach a relatively FLAT overpass my H2 does not shift down in order to maintain the speed. As a matter of fact, I can speed up while going over an overpass and not cause the transmission to shift down to a lower gear.

But, with the cruise control on, going over the very same overpass, the transmission downshifts, engine rpms increase and almost immediately the transmission shifts back into fourth gear. It is still annoying to me...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly!!!! I'd understand if the H2 couldn't maintain the speed while driving "manually", but it does it just fine! What gives??? I'll call Customer Assistance also. We'll see...

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Big Z

06-23-2003, 06:50 PM

What's so hard to understand? Either your system is working properly and you don't understand why it happening, or you have an electro/mechanical problem. It, (there's that word again) could be something as simple as a vacuum leak, a bad board, or defective trans part. You could be causing more damage by not getting it, (Your Hummer, trans, Cruse control, computer ect.) checked out.

NSXer

06-23-2003, 07:02 PM

That's what this thread is all about! to find out if my "cruise control condition" is normal. It appears it is... and I hate it! I appreciate the advice... Obviously the cruise is working like they designed it, which sucks, and I'll call customer service and let them know. Thanks.

Meanwhile, I'm adding the intake, exhaust, and programmer to see if that little bit of extra power will let it stay in gear.... at least that's how I'll justify the cost. hehehe!!!!

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Big Z

06-23-2003, 07:26 PM

As Good A Reason As Any! NSXer http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TheGoodHummerMan

06-23-2003, 07:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Big Z:
"What's so hard to understand? Either your system is working properly and you don't understand why it happening, or you have an electro/mechanical problem. It, (there's that word again) could be something as simple as a vacuum leak, a bad board, or defective trans part. You could be causing more damage by not getting it, (Your Hummer, trans, Cruse control, computer ect.) checked out."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YOUR message was hard to understand. If your desire is to post messages that are unclear, confusing and not understandable you were most successful. But, is that why you posted them? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

As NSXer mentioned, and as I would have thought that you realized, this forum is an excellent site for sharing information from fellow H2 owners. Thankfully many forum members post easily understandable messages that are helpful. Sharing information is generally helpful. For some reason, I didn't find yours helpful in the least. Maybe you were trying to be humorous and I didn't get IT? If that's the case I apologize!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

"Either your system is working properly and you don't understand why it happening, or you have an electro/mechanical problem."

Thanks for stating the obvious. It isn't the least bit helpful, but luckily for me, many others have posted helpful comments and observations... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

H2 Bill

06-23-2003, 07:46 PM

I think that the condition is "normal". The problem is that the H2 is a very large vehicle and fairly under powered. It only took one long trip for me to figure this out...I put a Whipple supercharger on it and programmed out the torque management and it cured the problem. Going 75 mph in a 6500 lb. vehicle that is shaped like a brick is pushing it. Anything that you can do to increase the power/torque will help, but you have to remove the T/M.

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Big Z

06-23-2003, 07:47 PM

As far as the cruise system--considering the weight, drag, aerodynamics, and terrain--It gets the job done.
At 65MPH+, (with full tank of fuel) most all inclines, headwind, and overpasses will cause downshifts, (my user says 70, and 70 it will be!!!. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) No matter what.
Try running in the tow/haul Mode, notice a difference? Tow something around--get that computer up to speed on your driving habits. It'll learn http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Big Z

06-23-2003, 08:01 PM

thegoodhummerman--go back and read slow--Comprehension comes with time.
I think I've been at this site long enough to know far more what its about than yourself-- http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

TonkaH2

06-23-2003, 08:04 PM

I've ranted on the shift point thing in the past, and I concur there IS a technology problem in there somewhere. You can't tell me the 6100 doesn't put out enough torque to push uphill slightly at 65 without a downshift. My 2 previous Tahoes and Suburbans, all with 5700's, never had the problem.

The tow/haul did help quite a bit. But what got me was that towing a 3500 lb. vehicle with the family, luggage, and a dog in the back, I also thought there was ample power: the shifting was the same without the T/H. I'd like to see them address it so I'll call Hummer.

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Big Z

06-23-2003, 08:07 PM

Another difference a lot of folks don't consider is the Different Gear Ratios.

MAC

06-23-2003, 08:21 PM

Big Z, I understood your original posts perfectly and agree. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Big Z

06-23-2003, 08:30 PM

Thanks Mac! I was kinda suprised by the response it brought. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGoodHummerMan

06-23-2003, 09:15 PM

Big Z,

I almost want to ask you what the heck you meant by "Another difference a lot of folks don't consider is the Different Gear Ratios." BUT, I won't! I'm sure I wouldn't understand your reply...

Quoting you: "I think I've been at this site long enough to know far more what its about..."

Did you forgot the apostrophe in "its" or was that just a typo?

You might know a lot Big Z, but if you can't write an intelligible message, "it" doesn't really mean very much.

Paraphrasing Bill Clinton, maybe "it" depends upon what your definition of ITS is? Get "it"? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What you've made perfectly clear and obvious from your last few posts is that you don't communicate well. So, I will simply skip over your future posts. Believe me, it's no big deal... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would suggest that you have Mac help you compose your messages but he really isn't much better than you are.

Ed

NSXer

06-23-2003, 10:33 PM

H2 bill--> I'm going to do what you did! Supercharger! I'm holding out for the kenne bell, so the intake, exhaust, and programmer will have to do for now. Thanks bud.

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Big Z

06-23-2003, 11:18 PM

Please, thegoodhummerman, is that the best you got!--TYPOS?-Get A F**King life!. This thread was not originated by you, so Please Do Not Respond to my posts--YOU DO NOT HAVE THE INTELLIGENTS OR COMPREHENTION TO DO SO--Plain enough! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I have no desire to help People like you.

TheGoodHummerMan

06-24-2003, 01:06 AM

Mac,

It appears that Big Z, your compatriot, is lacking basic self-control if he gets so terribly upset over something so trivial. Ever recommend anger management to him? He must have many issues... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Did you notice the errors in grammar and spelling in his last, short, message? I don't think these were just typos either:

... best you've got; not best you got

... intelligence not intelligents

... comprehension not comprehention

As you know all too well, everyone (including myself, of course) makes typos now and then, but in his case he just doesn't seem to be very literate.

Hey Mac, how do you like the profanity? Using profanity is often a sign of someone lacking an adequate vocabulary, isn't it? Oh, but I forgot --- you agree with him?

Ed

PARAGON

06-24-2003, 12:26 PM

The cruise control in the GM vehicles I currently have and have had recently are all the same, awful. It's really not the fact that it downshifts too often, it's the fact that it does not sense the need for higher rpms soon enough to apply the accelerator properly and then has to make a 1 or 2 gear downshift to maintain speed.

I currently have a 2001 Yukon XL Denali (6.0L), a 2003 GMC 2500 (Duramax Diesel) and a partner with a 2003 GMC 2500 (6.0L). All of them, even the Duramax, have the same annoyance with the cruise control as my H2 except it is not as noticeable with the Denali or the Duramax until you drag just a little weight behind it.

The Denali cruises fine on flat ground unless you try to drag more than 2000#. Then it can't maintain speed without downshifting about every 3/4 mile, even in Tow/Haul mode. You simply have to keep it out of overdrive. I had attributed this to the fact that the Denali has 3.73 gears but noticed the same type of annoyance even though the others have 4.10 gears. By the way, this is on highways in the flat delta land and by "flat" I mean surveyor's flat.

The cc is controlled electronically and I personally think it needs to be re-programmed. I have written this in each survey that GM has sent after buying a vehicle.

MAC

06-24-2003, 08:23 PM

Ed you may want to take a Prozac before you read my post. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I came home from San Jose last night at 1AM. I used the cruise control for many miles both ways and I had no problem with the cruise control. The speed was constant 75MPH without change, the freeway goes thru beautiful lush green California rolling hills, smooth top condition rolling freeway built for high speed driving, at 75, almost everyone else was passing me. There was no downshift on most hills, downshifted several times to keep the 3.5 tons at 75MPH, but were at spots where I anticipated.

I don't know if many of you have a cruise problem or not, I don't and can't drive your Hummer. Just for your comparison use, I don't have a cruise control problem.

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TheGoodHummerMan

06-25-2003, 04:29 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"Ed you may want to take a Prozac before you read my post." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

I will pass on the prozac, maybe save it until I really need it? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I just got home from a dinner up in Tampa, with some very special, "old" friends... One of whom was a chopper jockey that I first met exactly 33 years ago today. It just reminded me, once again, how wonderful and fantastic it is to be alive.

As for the really meaningless stuff? I drove the 60-some miles back home from Tampa on I-75 (we don't say "the 75") and I decided to try using the tow/haul mode selection. It surprised me that as I was driving along at about 75mph, turning approximately 2100rpms --- hitting the tow/haul button did not increase rpms at all, or have any other immediately noticeable affect...

But, as I drove along, I crossed several overpasses and did NOT experience the dreaded downshifts. I was just beginning to think that this had cured the problem when, for NO reason at all, the H2 shifted down, the engine increased to about 2900 rpms, and then almost immediately --- shifted back into fourth gear. We weren't even on an overpass.

Totally flabergasted, I turned off the tow/haul mode --- again with no noticeable change in engine revs --- and drove the rest of the way back "normally".

I don't know exactly how many overpasses we had to climb, but the H2 never downshifted again. I don't know why. It seems as though the H2 has a mind of its own? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Maybe instead of getting a programmer and supercharger, I need to hire an exorcist?

I guess I will start keeping a log of when it downshifts and also when it doesn't... When I get enough data, say in two or three years --- I will publish a treatise on the shifting vagaries of the Hummer H2 when using cruise control.

What I did notice was that my previous posts were not absolutely accurate in that I said the downshifts were from 4th gear to 3rd gear, when in fact --- the downshifts go from 4th gear to 2nd gear. It is not just a gentle shift when it does this, it is extreme... and most annoying. Passengers riding with me usually gasp or jump and ask me what's wrong...

Maybe it's a gremlin? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

MAC

06-25-2003, 09:15 PM

When my Hummer downshifted in cruise control, they were quite smooth. At one point after midnight, real quiet without radio, I asked my wife, "Dowshifted, did you feel that?" She said "what? no."

She drove with 2 sons to LA once, 14 hours round trip mostly with cruise control, she didn't think there was anything unusual about the cruise.

I don't know if it has anything to do with driver's experience or expectation. When it rains, some feel depressed while I feel refreshed. It is 98 degree today, some hate it but I say it is great time for a swim in the 90 degree pool water. There are Hummer owners here said interior is cheap, not enough power and all kinds of non-quality complaints, but I think the Hummer is beautiful inside out and powerful. or maybe I am just too easy to please. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ed, you are too cheap, experienced, old and wise to fall for programmer or supercharger. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

8MYROVER

06-26-2003, 01:47 AM

I had the same problem with mine. First, took it to the dealer and them reprogram the computer. Still was not satisified, then I got the Predator programer and that solved everything, except really steep grades where at around 60-65mph it will kick down to a lower gear. It is the GM torque managment and changing it actually improved my gas mileage.

MAC

06-26-2003, 04:08 AM

Phil, today I have some production setback in my business, we experienced 20% to 80% defects in the production of a series of new products, higher mold cost, delivery delays and unexpected technical difficulties on assembly lines in 3 locations, with a million pieces of rejected parts. Everything sort of jump up this afternoon. Younger days, I would get all excited, jump up and down, shouting on 3 lines at the same time, buy the tickets and fly out there with my team tonight. But today I just sat by the pool side and talked clamly to the managers 10,000 miles away. By the end of the day, there is no solution yet, but I have no doubt somehow everything will always work out fine, everybody will be happy and the project will be profitable. The difference is experience.

Getting back to Hummer. It takes a few months to get to know the Hummer's capabilities and shortcomings. I didn't have enough power, now I got more than enough power and I have no problem high or low speed. I used to back into other autos but no more. The head light was awful but there are great now and the solutions were cheap. It used to be huge but now it is just NORMAL. I don't need a programmer because I am the programmer, I am "as one" with my Hummer. Cruise downshifts seemed a little odd at first but now seem normal. I don't need supercharger because I can go as fast as I legally can any time and I do, as long as I am willing to pay for the gas. I used to worry about gas cost but no more because I accepted the price of Hummer joy.

I have no leak, no rust, no paint chips, no problem with cruise control or suspension or transmission, no rattle, no dirty look, trouble free turn key operation every happy day. I don't think I am the only one.

Life is never perfect, but you can make it perfect, it starts from your mind.

TheGoodHummerMan

06-26-2003, 04:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"Ed, you are too cheap, experienced, old and wise to fall for programmer or supercharger." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

I once knew a guy who would go berzerk if someone called him an SOB. Took it as a personal insult to his sainted mother...

I never understood why he was so sensitive about some stranger calling him this. Someone who didn't know him at all, let alone anything personal about his mother's character... I mean, you have to take comments in their appropriate context. Like your...

I am too cheap? Too experienced? Too old & wise?

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gee, Mac, I thought you were too smart to fall into the trap of presuming facts not in evidence. I know you posture as someone suffering from an elitist attitude and that you act as htough you believe that, for some unfathomable reason, you are superior to other people. I don't have a clue why you would be suffering from such delusions. I suppose it really doesn't even matter why?

I just purchased a piece of commercial real estate that I happened to believe is a truly great investment and bargain. But, during the closing, I took exception with a part of the final sales contract involving, $1,750. for the property's survey. The selling price was just a little over 2.3 million dollars --- but, the original agreement was that I was NOT responsible for the costs of the survey. Sure, it's just chump change. But, it is MY chump change... Is this an example of a "cheap" person?

After some of the remarks I have heard from various people on this forum about my questioning the pricing of the Predator programmer (see that thread) by the Granatelli folks... I was told that I was silly to worry about just $170 and how I was wasting a dollar to save a dime. This clearly demonstrated to me that SOME people on this forum are complete and utter idiots.

For example, when the H2 dealer informed me that he would remove my third row seat and credit me for $400. I stood up and was walking out of his office. Would I refuse to buy the Hummer because he was trying to refund $100 less than the invoice amount of the seat? Oh, you betcha... If I caught a pickpocket stealing a hundred dollar bill out of my pocket, I would get most upset too. If that makes me cheap, in your mind, then I feel sorry for you. Or, better yet, I would love to do business with you. Because if you don't care about a dollar, or five or ten or twenty dollars then why care about a hundred, or five hundred or a couple of thousand dollars.

The actual amount is NOT even important. It is simply and purely a matter of principle. The only thing that really differentiates one person and another are their stand on principals. Someone who will steal something small, but draw the line at say, grand theft auto --- is still a dishonest thief. Someone who will not worry about "chump change" simply has too much money and they should give me their execess funds. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You were partially right... I am old enough and wise enough to decide for myself about the value of goods and services without needing the blessings of somebody I don't even know. After doing research and learning enough basic information to make an informed decision --- I might in fact decide to buy a supercharger for my H2. Hopefully I won't need to ask the bank for a loan to cover the expense, or even check with my wife to see if she will give me permission to spend the money.

I only have the one son, a veteran of the first Iraqi war, and while I did already seek his opinion, I don't have to worry that I am squandering his inheritance on something frivolous, like the supercharger. I have a few bucks left... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sure, I buy my Mobil1 at Wal-Mart in a five-quart container because I can save a buck or two. I buy the K&N oil filters by the dozen to get a better price. Is that the sign of a cheap person? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Spending over $60,000 for a Hummer H2 (with tax, tag and title) but trying to save a buck or two on oil and filters? Cheap? Hummmm.

Maybe you earned the money to buy your Hummer some other way. Me, I earned it legally, fair and square, and I believe that I have a healthy respect for the value of a DOLLAR. Heck, if you save up enough dollars --- you can even afford a H2 or even a supercharger for it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Notice how many Lingenfelter H2's different folks on the forum have? If you pay close attention, you'll even see that many people have whipple chargers, MagnaChargers or other superchargers.... For you to then infer that these people are unwise seems pretty bold...

Hey Mac, maybe you could lend a good guy a few bucks for a supercharger? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Ed

MAC

06-26-2003, 05:01 AM

To lend you money to buy a supercharger will be like giving money to the homeless man to buy drug. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Aren't you glad that I called you "cheap, experienced, old and wise"? that gave you the opportunity to went on and on. I would think "cheap, experienced, old and wise" is a compliment by any standard, hallmarks of success, surely you'd agree. The reverse is "wasteful, inexperienced, young and stupid", which would you like? You haven't lived a full life not to appreciate being "cheap, experienced, old and wise".

Many other members have in the past 9 months said in plain and simple direct English that Supercharger is fraud, but not Mr. Niceguy like me. I certainly have my opinion but not directly expressed yet, when I do, you'll know for sure. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Prove me wrong, go buy a supercharger. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TheGoodHummerMan

06-26-2003, 01:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"To lend you money to buy a supercharger will be like giving money to the homeless man to buy drug." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

Now that Greenspan has dropped interest rates AGAIN, I figure that is a sign from above that it's time to get that supercharger... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh please, oh please, oh please reconsider that loan? I need a supercharger really bad, man! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I think I might be suffering from withdrawal (of power). http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Don't you dare call me "wasteful, inexperienced, young and stupid"! I am NOT ALL THAT YOUNG ANYMORE!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Heck, Mac, I feel bad now, since you explained everything for me --- all I have to say is thanks for calling me cheap... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I think? Cheap doesn't seem like a very complimentary comment by "my" standards. But since you intended it to be a compliment, I'll say thanks. Shucks, I'll bet you're really cheap too! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As you accurately pointed out, I have a ways to go before I really begin to get a good feel for the H2, while you and many others here have had a considerably longer time to get to know yours... Which is exactly why this forum is so great. Literally, y'all are sharing your experiences with everyone else. Good and bad, rear end collisions included... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seriously, I believe that people can legitimately decide that for themselves a supercharger would be a ridiculous and unneccesary modification. In your case, if you decide this, how could anyone say you're wrong? Everybody brings their own unique situation and requirements. But I really don't understand anyone who would call a supercharger a fraud. Sure, the coke-can, super-swirlling, Tornado deals are a scam and selling them seems bogus to me. But, a "real" supercharger is a supercharger. Where does the fraud come in? The power gains are real and measureable. Whether or not it is necessary to supercharge the Hummer is debateable... But, fraud? Nahhhh. This is of course, just my opinion, and since I seem to change my opinion about my need for a supercharger as often as I change my socks, I might disagree with MYSELF by tomorrow. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I plan on getting that supercharger, but not to prove anything. Hopefully it will IMPROVE something. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

Putting everything into perspective is the hard part...

DiscoDancingRover

06-26-2003, 01:15 PM

Holy crap guys!!!! MAC just stop talking ok!!!! It seems you like to debate about garbage so just stop it!

Rover owner, with light envy...

TheGoodHummerMan

06-26-2003, 01:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by 8MYROVER:
"I had the same problem with mine. First, took it to the dealer and them reprogram the computer. Still was not satisified, then I got the Predator programer and that solved everything, except really steep grades where at around 60-65mph it will kick down to a lower gear. It is the GM torque managment and changing it actually improved my gas mileage."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey 8-up, great info! Most encouraging to hear that the "problem" can be remedied!!! I never thought that the cruise control should never cause the transmission to downshift, and on steep hills it is of course "NORMAL" behavior... Depending upon one's deinition of steep though? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyhow, thanks for throwing in your most interesting experiences! I feel better already! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hey Chris! Come on man, Mac is only debating... I am only debating... If you have gotten tired of our "garbage" I sincerely apologize for myself, but what's the harm?

Stop talking? Garbage? Awfully harsh criticism and when did Jason put you in charge? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although, any moderator would probably give both, Mac and I, a "time-out" penalty. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Understandably, I really like the way Jason has set this forum up and let's one ramble on and on... Maybe it isn't as much fun for the poor folks who have to read all of my incoherent ramblings? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Ed

TheGoodHummerMan

06-26-2003, 01:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"I have no leak, no rust, no paint chips, no problem with cruise control or suspension or transmission, no rattle, no dirty look, trouble free turn key operation every happy day. I don't think I am the only one."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

Oh shut up! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You keep posting stuff like that and we will HAVE to start calling you Mr. Rodgers...

Just a little bit too much "feely goody" for me, anyways. Maybe it's time to CUT way back on your Prozac? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Check with your doctor first though!

Ed

MAC

06-26-2003, 03:35 PM

Chris,
1- These talks are no less valuable than your talk of valet parking Corvette.
2- I don't read half or 1/3 of the posts, because I am not interetsed in those topics, but I don't barge in to stop them from talking.
3- I am sure many members glanced at these posts and moved on.
4- Every post is a contribution to the Hummer forum, if you don't believe me, take a look at H2Fanatic site and see how pathetic that site is.
5- Non-technical BS posts can generate far more responses that dry technical posts, and these are the posts which build and bond friendship, which is what glue us together. I certainly do not really need to know any more about tires and supercharger, I can be just as Hummer happy without ever visit this forum again.
6- Smart people disagree, idiots always agree. Disagreements and controversies stimulate the mind and livens up the forum.
7- The bottomline, the success of survival of this forum depend on the posts, more the better, whethere it is about you parking other people's fancy cars or how cheap Ed is. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed. just remember I tipped the valet $2 at the country club where the drink is $5-$7 + tip, and it was not my $2. Now try to beat me on that. Dare to give $1 valet tip?

TheGoodHummerMan

06-26-2003, 04:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"Ed. just remember I tipped the valet $2 at the country club where the drink is $5-$7 + tip, and it was not my $2. Now try to beat me on that. Dare to give $1 valet tip?"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the cheapest 'skate' of all?

Well, if you dare me? How about if I tip 50 cents, or maybe even a dime? I would say what about not tipping at all, but that could be accidental or an over-sight... Right Chris? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The next time you come to Sarasota or on my next visit to "Cisco" (I understand that locals hate it when dumb tourists call it Cisco?), we can get together for dinner or drinks, your choice. If I tip the valet guy say, a quarter (25 cents) you buy, if I wimp out and tip a fiver ($5) --- I'll pick up the tab. Fair enough? The winner gets to claim the title of "cheapest bas#ard"??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I don't know if I can actually go thru with stiffing a poor valet parker who really does depend upon tips for pay... That would be pretty low, that's for sure, even for me! But, maybe for free drinks or drinks and dinner? Maybe lobster? Yummm! I don't know, but since you laid down the dare, I'll toss the ball back into your court... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Feeling lucky, punk?

Ed

A wise man once said: "Look both ways before crossing the road." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MAC

06-26-2003, 06:37 PM

I have no problem giving $2 to valet, that is already $1 more or 100% more than what I think it should be. It is $2.50 for 20 minutes, $15 parking for a lunch. My money is always happier in my pocket than in his pocket, that is a proven scientic fact. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I hate giving tips. Why should I give tips or gifts to mailman or newspaper man (not boys) or garbage men, they are doing their job as they should, no one ever tip me for doing my job, why in the world should I tip them? In many ways I think tipping them would be an insult to them. I am not even joking about it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MAC

06-28-2003, 07:07 PM

FYI. We went to Sunnyvale last night for a dinner with friends. The exact same freeway(25 miles ea way) and same Silicon Valley exit as last Sunday and Monday. But this time I did not use cruise control at all, the Hummer did not downshift at all, all the way up and down, fast and slow. 70-75-80MPH, 2000-2100-2500RPM. 80MPH usually 2250RPM but up to 2500RPM on few top of hills.

In the past trips, I used cruise and Hummer downshifted several times, quietly and smoothly.

TheGoodHummerMan

06-29-2003, 09:51 PM

After paying closer attention, I have now determined that sometimes my H2 will downshift on a given overpass, but sometimes on the same exact overpass at the same exact speed --- it does not downshift. How is that for inconsistent behavior? Also, I've noticed that occassionally it only shifts from 4th back into 3rd gear --- but sometimes, it jumps all the way into 2nd gear which is when it is NOT smooth or negligible. Depending upon your definition of what smooth is? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mac, you don't HAVE to tip anyone. Tipping is optional, based generally upon rewarding certain service groups for doing good jobs, maybe based upon service received at above and beyond the norm???

I don't have a mailman, I get mail at a Post Office Box, so I don't tip the "mailman". I know a couple of mailmen though, and every year at Christmas, they get considerable tips from some people, but nothing from others. They do NOT feel insulted when someone tips them! Maybe your mailman just does a really lousy job?

Why would it make a difference if you have a newspaper BOY or newspaper delivery MAN? You'd tip a boy, but not an adult? Truly weird... Is your paper delivered every day on time and on the porch, or in your TUBE? Or do you walk way out to get the paper only to find it not delivered? You See, Mac, you reward for GOOD service and withhold tips if you get LOUSY service, whether it is a man, boy or alien lifeform providing the service to you. But, I can't help but think that you already know all of this perfectly well and that perhaps you are just so destitute that you can't afford to tip and use this excuse as a way of making your despicable performance, justifiable. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hey Mac, do you really mean that all of those years when you were a garbage man that no one ever tipped you? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

One thing's for sure at least... No one will probably ever be accused of calling you a Big Tipper. I wonder how many times you get the same waiter/waitress that you previously stiffed and who remembers your lack of generosity and "repays" you by spitting in your food?

Or, do you tip waitresses and not waiters, or only if they are young? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Ed

buddy

06-29-2003, 11:25 PM

Appreciative, considerate people usually tip and also give seasonal gifts. Service techs, mail carriers, mechanics, are accustomed to receiving gifts during the holiday season, and they are very appreciative.

Those who tip, usually "get taken care of", you might even say they're VIP's. Mechanics just have a better attitude when dealing with a smiling, appreciative person...and that person will always be looked after. In home service techs will render superior service to those who are considerate.

Ever send a thank you card to a customer? Same thing. WE appreciate your business. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's just a personal, "Thank You".

I enjoy tipping and showing my graditude. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Buddy

MAC

06-30-2003, 01:57 AM

First about the cruise control, there is nothing more can be said at this point.

Then we move on to tips, guess it is Hummer related for the simple fact that we are on Hummer forum. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I’ll try to be brief. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
1- Tipping is a foreign concept in most foreign countries, service is usually exceptional with no tip.

2- It is the employers’ responsibilities to pay reasonable good wages to employees so they don’t have to depend on tips and favors.

3- Mailmen make more money and have better benefits than most of the people they serve, to do their job promptly and correctly is their job, pride and honor, it is shameless for any USPS union employees to accept tips.
4- I pay 20% tip in restaurants because that is the system.

5- Newspapers are some of the most profitable and most powerful businesses in the land, the owners are some of the richest men in the world. The income comes from advertising. I subscribe and pay for the newspaper, it is the newspaper’s job to deliver the paper to my door promptly. If that is not enough money for them to pay good wages or to the delivery contractor, they should raise the price.

6- My annual charity donation usually exceeds the cost of a Hummer and I contribute 1000s of hours in non-profit institutions for decades. I know a couple big flashy tippers who refused to contribute money or time to schools, hospitals, community senior centers; I do know many people who are stingy tippers but donate 6 figures annually to charities. I am glad the schools now impose such community service requirements, and we are always by our children’s side to serve. That is far more important to teach the children than to be big tippers.

7- I do my job to the best of my ability everyday and every task. I work with the rude customers the same way I treat the nicest customer, same courtesy and attention to a $100 customer or $1 Million customer. At the convention, when I am talking to a small shop owner and I see my $3 million customer standing there waiting for me; I never abandon the small guy for the big buyer, I keep my eyes and ears on the person in front of me. I will not accept $1 extra payment for above the call of duty service, which is too common, nor will any customer offer it. It is a matter of pride, honor and old fashion integrity.

8- If you have to tip Hummer mechanic to fix your Hummer, why not tip the policemen, firemen, politicians, doctors, nurses or our soldiers? What kind of society is it when people only do their job right when there is cash waving in front of their noses?

TheGoodHummerMan

06-30-2003, 02:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"First about the cruise control, there is nothing more can be said at this point.

1- Tipping is a foreign concept in most foreign countries, service is usually exceptional with no tip.

2- It is the employers’ responsibilities to pay reasonable good wages to employees so they don’t have to depend on tips and favors.

3- Mailmen make more money and have better benefits than most of the people they serve, to do their job promptly and correctly is their job, pride and honor, it is shameless for any USPS union employees to accept tips. "
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Mac, what happened to the dollar per post theory of yours? Now you declare the topic ended? Are you the Hummer King or what? I guess since YOU are done --- that means that IT is done? Your arrogance is showing again...

1.) Now you are an expert on tipping in "most" foreign countries too? Your amazing abilities are only overshadowed by your excessive ego. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Maybe you've traveled in "mostly" DIFFERENT countries than I have? Or, you have once again tried to back your previous comments with some vague generalization that bears no resemblance to reality. Or, maybe you're basing these observations upon the fact that some foreign countries, "mostly" those in Europe --- include the grats in the bill and you aren't expected to tip any more?

2.) Okay. That is your idea of reality? Then, there is the way life REALLY is... Maybe in a perfect world it would work the way you suggest? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

3.) And how many years of experience do you have as a USPS letter carrier? None? Interesting that you again pose as an expert on a topic which you have no knowledge of. Your opinion on this is way off track... If anyone wants to tip someone, they have every right in the world to do so. To refuse a tip would be an insult and extremely rude... And, if a letter carrier does something extra, for example deliver the mail to the door of someone who is recovering from a broken hip or leg --- I suppose that is just "expected"?

Tipping a valet parker $2 might be acceptable from someone who is poor and can't afford to tip a reasonable amount. It sounds to me like you don't have enough experience in the "real world". Maybe you just spend to much time at the country club? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ed

MAC

06-30-2003, 03:16 AM

Ed, If you want to carry on the tip subject, maybe you can start a new topic under OFF TOPIC. This tip discussion is getting old and too long, some poeple do not like to see that in unrelated tech section under cruise control topic. I'll be happy to join you over there.

"There you go again." I know you go on and on, seen you do that many times, always fun to watch, remembered you were playing with those 2 GM guys? Rule number one is never reply to your ramblings one by one. Most poor guys tried to get into this word by word game but never knew there was no chance that you'll ever give up, and that game can go on forever. In this one you are losing traction and not hitting the points, not your usual self, you got a bit too emotional on this one. Read my above post again, feel free to post 10 replies, but in OFF TOPIC. Sometimes it is better to wait 30 minutes to digest the post and come up with something far more meaningful, you usually do.

My cruise control is just fine, I have nothing more to say at this time. Surely you understood that? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif