v8 H3 in 07 or early 08

[veganite]

So Im pretty excited that GM finally decided to give the H3 a power boost, via a 5.3l v8. I think this is just what the H3 needed and is a better option then that turbo I5 would have been. As soon as it comes out im geting an H3 (that and my 4runner lease isnt up). I just hope the adventure package is available and they dont do what they did with the Z71 avalanche and suburban (only offered base V8 in Z71 because skid plates wouldent fit on the 6.0).

[K9sH3]

Where did you hear this? I am getting in line behind you, or I may even cut in front of you. Just kidding. However my H3 is paid and the dealer I bought it form is trying to get me to lease another H3 or H2. But if a V8 is actually coming out I am going to wait.

[veganite]

I receved the info directly from someone I know at GM. It is not yet a public anouncement (it would likely hurt sales of some (not most) hummers currently on the lot) but it will be closer to release. The person is in a position to know said info, and reported that the decision to release is already made and is a response to public requests for better acceleration on road (rather then any deficit in offroad ability (there is no such deficit). H3 sales are still very good however conquest sales can be made with the V8. The info is not speculation but came from an actual GM anouncement to dealers (however if you ask the average hummer salesmen they may not know this yet, but upper levels and managers would). If I were you I would wait.

EDIT: I did not read it first hand but have very good reason to trust the source.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Just to specify, are we talking about 2007 model year or 2007 calendar year?

[veganite]

Calender, but interestingly he was optimistic that it may be rushed sooner. I cant see how it would be, you wouldent believe how long it takes to bring something to market, but GM has been reacting faster then it ever has in the past, and he was convinced that it was comming for the next model year (08). It kind of makes sense, as if they are waiting for an H2 engine upgrade so they can maintain its position, but that is not him talking, that is me speculating so who knows what GM is thinking. Consider what they do with the Yukon Denali and the Escalade. The escalade is supposed to be top of the luxery gm pack, so the Denali is detuned (and it actualy is if you look at the dyno plot see link). It is all in the name of maintaining a dominant package to discourage overcompetion between brands, I see no reason they wouldent do it within a brand. But thats just speculation and all that matters is fact.

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07truck.htm

[blindzebra]

hey venga. considering 3 of your 4 posts are on this thread, I'm going to be more than a little hesitant to believe you. Not to mention, I don't think hummer will ever put the same exact engine in the H3 as the H2. A deisel is the next logical step, or a bored v6. If you're right, cheers.... But I doubt it.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

I think he's a GM public relations representitive. He's attempting to understand our opinions on this matter. These posts are just to build some whispers and excitement. I believe he speaks the truth; it follows basically with what's been said before.

[Lex_Ordo]

Well if it's opinions on power he's seeking, then my opinion is that I'm happy with the 3.5 liter. I'm not looking to fly off the line. I would have gotten a smaller lighter "car" for that. I drove the 3.7 L, and didn't notice any difference. 22 HP, isn't really enough to decipher.

Power???
Well the H3 appears to do all that folks have put it through so does a bigger engine make a bigger difference? It will in the pocket! More torque, and certainly quicker to change lanes on hwy.
I don't know about off road, so if someone can explain it, I know I'd be grateful for the information.

Is there a huge diference in the H1 and it's Military brother? As far as Hwy, and off road capabilities. Motor size, power?

[usetosellhummer]

I think the v8 will be a Alpha package and a minority of total h3 production with the I-5 still getting the bulk of the orders filled. This makes sence because of the H3 pick-up will need a little more get and go I would think. I saw the H3 3 years before it was built as a model at a dealer group meeting. the dealers who built million doallar showrooms arcoss the country were promised the H3 release as a 04. The heat is on GM to give them more models to sell fast. With the new Jeep out:dancingbanana: look for the H4 and H1 with the 6.5 optimiser in 08 as a 09.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I think the v8 will be a Alpha package and a minority of total h3 production with the I-5 still getting the bulk of the orders filled. This makes sence because of the H3 pick-up will need a little more get and go I would think. I saw the H3 3 years before it was built as a model at a dealer group meeting. the dealers who built million doallar showrooms arcoss the country were promised the H3 release as a 04. The heat is on GM to give them more models to sell fast. With the new Jeep out:dancingbanana: look for the H4 and H1 with the 6.5 optimiser in 08 as a 09.

V8 in an H3 Alpha makes sense. It's going to appeal to a lot of people.

I like the 3.7L I-5. Has plenty of power for my needs. I will say tho, I was at a light next to a Chevy Colorado crew cab. I know they're a lot lighter than the H3, but he pulled ahead of me a lot faster than I expected.

[veganite]

hey venga. considering 3 of your 4 posts are on this thread, I'm going to be more than a little hesitant to believe you. Not to mention, I don't think hummer will ever put the same exact engine in the H3 as the H2. A deisel is the next logical step, or a bored v6. If you're right, cheers.... But I doubt it.

Your right you have no logical reason to trust me. All I can tell you is what I have heard through someone else. However a diesel is much less likely then a hybrid V8 (yes V8). The H2 has a 6.0l not a 5.3, but the current 6.0 dosent produce the amount the 08 model will...its more about HP then the same engine. I have heard that GM has hybrid technology via the transmition rather then external motors in each wheel. That is what they would use. but focus just on a flexfule V8 before anything else. Consider the tahoe has a 300+ hp v8 and weighs 5500lbs, what would a 4900lb H3 do with the same power.

Edit: A diesel (smaller then the 6.6) would be possible but would you rather have a Hybrid V8 that has virtually the same torque (electric motors make a lot of torque relative to HP) and more total HP? Toyota chose that route with its current lexus models. It could even be a future H3 alpha. I think that is what GM may do. just speculation.

[Sewie]

Consider the tahoe has a 300+ hp v8 and weighs 5500lbs, what would a 4900lb H3 do with the same power.

Bust diffs twice as fast. :rant: ;)

Seriously, I would have got the V8 option in a heartbeat if it had been available and I may consider a trade-in down the road. But it better have the cast iron front diff that is also "rumored."

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Your right you have no logical reason to trust me. All I can tell you is what I have heard through someone else. However a diesel is much less likely then a hybrid V8 (yes V8). The H2 has a 6.0l not a 5.3, but the current 6.0 dosent produce the amount the 08 model will...its more about HP then the same engine. I have heard that GM has hybrid technology via the transmition rather then external motors in each wheel. That is what they would use. but focus just on a flexfule V8 before anything else. Consider the tahoe has a 300+ hp v8 and weighs 5500lbs, what would a 4900lb H3 do with the same power.

Edit: A diesel (smaller then the 6.6) would be possible but would you rather have a Hybrid V8 that has virtually the same torque (electric motors make a lot of torque relative to HP) and more total HP? Toyota chose that route with its current lexus models. It could even be a future H3 alpha. I think that is what GM may do. just speculation.

A friend of a friend of a friend...

RYD

[f5fstop]

hey venga. considering 3 of your 4 posts are on this thread, I'm going to be more than a little hesitant to believe you. Not to mention, I don't think hummer will ever put the same exact engine in the H3 as the H2. (Very TRUE) A deisel is the next logical step, or a bored v6. (NO diesel - in the USA or Canada, right now - a larger V6 - not at this time.) If you're right, cheers.... But I doubt it.
:jump:

[f5fstop]

Bust diffs twice as fast. :rant: ;)

Seriously, I would have got the V8 option in a heartbeat if it had been available and I may consider a trade-in down the road. But it better have the cast iron front diff that is also "rumored."

Maybe GM will put in the axle that should have been in the H3 from the start?:dancingbanana:

[veganite]

A friend of a friend of a friend...

RYD

or maybe just someone who works at GM directly to me. No more links in the chain. :D

Edit: I dont know anything about the axle, but I will ask.

[Sewie]

Maybe GM will put in the axle that should have been in the H3 from the start?:dancingbanana:

You mean a solid axle with a locker? ;) I'm not holding my breath. :(

[f5fstop]

or maybe just someone who works at GM directly to me. No more links in the chain. :D

Edit: I dont know anything about the axle, but I will ask.

No need to ask, I already know, and have already driven this mysterious 2008 H3.:jump:

[f5fstop]

You mean a solid axle with a locker? ;) I'm not holding my breath. :(

Don't hold your breath for that one. But it will be a better axle.:D

[Diabolus]

More power is what I've been waiting for to make my jump to the H3. I just can't quite take the plunge for the I5. It reminded me too much of my anemic 02 Xterra, which they finally put more power in. I'm not saying I want or need 0-60 in 5 secs. with an SUV but some decent passing/towing power isn't asking for too much.

If a Nissan Pathfinder with a 4.0L 270 hp V6 weighing just as much as an H3 can get 16/23 mpg with 0-60 in the 7s, than Hummer should be able to do better than what they have with the I5.

Granted, the H3 doesn't have the aerodynamics but at least throw something in it that can get a throaty truck sound with some aftermarket pipes!

[veganite]

Don't hold your breath for that one. But it will be a better axle.:D

Love the location, near canyonlands, and moab. How does it drive? Much quicker probably? What I really want to know is will it allow the adventure package and underbody armor.

[f5fstop]

Love the location, near canyonlands, and moab. How does it drive? Much quicker probably? What I really want to know is will it allow the adventure package and underbody armor.

Yes on all three.

[blindzebra]

I really would like the deisel over the hybrid. Water is much more of an issue with gasoline and hybrid engines.

[Huck BB62]

Don't hold your breath for that one. But it will be a better axle.:D

Y'know, I'm kind of disappointed in Hummer for not putting a solid front axle and locker up front. It would take the H3 from ok, to dead serious and take away a lot of the reservations of some hard core folks. Yeah, the current H3 will do amazing things. Why not make the H3 king of the hill? The adventure package should have:

The front locker
winch package
roof rack (not bows, the whole thing)
Onboard compressor
REAL skid protection

Seems to me that they like nickle and diming you to death.

I would like more motor, and am mystified why they don't take advantage of the dmax for a six cylinder. Fantastic mileage, great torque, I'd buy it.

[Desert Dan]

Yeah Huck

They should be individual add on options when ordering from GM. That would add quite a bit to the price and I think GM wants to stay below $40K. Look at the price of a new Rubicon they are less than $30K.

A cast iron front diff and locker would be fine with me. With IFS you loose some articulation and are limited in the lift you can do but you gain in handling etc.

I wouldn't mind a bigger engine but I like the MPG I am getting with the I-5.

Not many solid axles 4x4 front ends out there except Jeep Wrangler and Dodge and Ford fullsize trucks and some non US 4x4's

[f5fstop]

Y'know, I'm kind of disappointed in Hummer for not putting a solid front axle and locker up front. It would take the H3 from ok, to dead serious and take away a lot of the reservations of some hard core folks. Yeah, the current H3 will do amazing things. Why not make the H3 king of the hill? The adventure package should have:

The front locker
winch package
roof rack (not bows, the whole thing)
Onboard compressor
REAL skid protection

Seems to me that they like nickle and diming you to death.

I would like more motor, and am mystified why they don't take advantage of the dmax for a six cylinder. Fantastic mileage, great torque, I'd buy it.

Diesels are not popular in the US, unless in trucks that are used to tow large items or for work. So the US consumer has to change before you will see a diesel in a small type SUV. Besides, around here, the price of diesel exceeds gasoline and take away any advantage to fuel mileage.
The standard skid plates are pretty strong for off-roading, but not strong enough for rock climbing, for that they do offer a very robust undercarriage protection for a decent price.
Rock rails are available, as they are for most other off-roaders, as an option.
I really don't believe a front locker is needed; however, I do believe a stronger front axle is needed.

As for nickle and diming you to death...don't all manufacturers do that?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Diesels are not popular in the US, unless in trucks that are used to tow large items or for work. So the US consumer has to change before you will see a diesel in a small type SUV. Besides, around here, the price of diesel exceeds gasoline and take away any advantage to fuel mileage.
The standard skid plates are pretty strong for off-roading, but not strong enough for rock climbing, for that they do offer a very robust undercarriage protection for a decent price.
Rock rails are available, as they are for most other off-roaders, as an option.
I really don't believe a front locker is needed; however, I do believe a stronger front axle is needed.

As for nickle and diming you to death...don't all manufacturers do that?

True, most do...

There are (just a very few) foreign manufacturers who don't but overall YES !!!

RYD

[veganite]

Just thought I would bring this back one last time...:jump:

[H3chicky]

So what's the new scoop???? I see that f5fstop drove a 2008 with a V8? Did I miss the post about that or was it only posted right here???

Barb :)