I'm thinking about switching over to the other team.

[ssgharkness020147]

Well... One of the things ruined in the recent basement flood was one of my computers. So, after a little thought I'm thinking about switching over to Mac. Now, I always swore that I would never buy a product from a store that gives you a backpack for a bag, that is just at home in the mall as it is in the local gay bar, but I guess I could buy it online or something.;)
Ayways, what are the pros and cons? It seems like these days there are very little software compatibility issues, any insight? One of the main reasons I'm thinking about switching is because I really really hate how slow windows gets over time. I dont download anything illegally or anything like that, and still my PC is painfully slow. Do Mac's bog down like PC's over time? Viruses? Do they extist on Mac or not, I've heard that they do and that they do not. How about spyware? Is it hard to get used to the Mac OS. Enlighten me on this one guys.

[DRTYFN]

After owning a Power Mac G4 for 4 years I can't imagine using, let alone owning, a PC ever again. In 4 years I think my Mac has frozen up 2-3 times and that was only because I'd totally overloaded it. Making movies is a friggin' breeze. Actually, everything is a breeze... except getting a virus.:jump:

[DennisAJC]

Only dirty queers and Propel drinkers use Mac.:jump:

[dеiтайожни]

Don't do it.

If you primarily use PCs, a Mac will be useless. You will end up using VirtualPC almost all the time and it will be slow. All that crap about Macs is not true, my powerbook crashed all the time, it was annoying. Virus... not many for mac, but how many have you had on your PCs? Software compatibility issues, yes... lots. Look up programs you use and see if it's available on Mac, if it's not Photoshop then probably not! Yes, they can get bogged down like any other computer.

I've used PCs all of my life and could not get used to my powerbook, I ended up running VirtualPC on it 90% of the time and pretty much using it as a wireless monitor for my PCs using vnc.

You can get a lot more computer for the price as well.

To prove how much Macs suck... watch when DRTY quotes this and can't even get my name to show up properly! :giggling:

[DRTYFN]

Don't do it.

To prove how much Macs suck... watch when DRTY quotes this and can't even get my name to show up properly! :giggling:
There's a way to turn that feature on, but I'm too lazy to find it and like when your name is obscured.:fdance: :jump:

[ssgharkness020147]

I dont really run any programs on my PC. 90% of the programs I do run are to try and make this POS run faster, which has all been in vain. The only program I run that I cannot (to my knowledge) run on a Mac is Napster, but I can hold on to my junker laptop for that and any other PC programs that I just have to have. If my computer could only have one sole purpose it would be internet. I guess I'll have to suck it up and force myself to go to that god awful place known as "the mall" and try one out for myself.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

MAC PC

VIRUS 80 8000+++

SOFTWARE some into infinity

PHOTO/MUSIC XXXX 00

SPEED LASER 22 short

[CslRkH2]

After owning a Power Mac G4 for 4 years I can't imagine using, let alone owning, a PC ever again. In 4 years I think my Mac has frozen up 2-3 times and that was only because I'd totally overloaded it. Making movies is a friggin' breeze. Actually, everything is a breeze... except getting a virus.:jump:

I'm running XP Pro and a can't remember having this lock up and I've never had a virus. It's been a long time since I've used a MAC so I won't bash those, but if you turn on Automatic Updates for the o/s and run a decent virus protection program you should be fine as far as that goes.

[KenP]

Whew, Carey. I thought you were going homo on us all.

Oh wait, that's who Macs are marketed to.;)

[dеiтайожни]

Whew, Carey. I thought you were going homo on us all.

That's what I thought as well, going homo or jeep on us. :giggling:

[H3 Alaska]

Even though this is like the old Ford versus Chevy conversation?..I?ll bump in.

Mac versus PC:

The big thing people always compare is virus/scripts/spyware type stuff.

But, it?s relative to scale??
If 90% of the world uses PC and Internet Explorer, then by a stroke of nature 90% of the virus/spyware/scripts are written towards PC/IE/Windows.

Don?t think for a second that spyware/virus/scripts are not written to MAC?s or Linux.
The other 10% are written to attack these platforms?..they are just not as prevalent in our liberal slanted media you read daily.

Like someone said above, leave automatic updates on, make sure your firewall is protecting you, run anti-spyware weekly, and make sure you have a good anti-virus program installed and you will never have an issue.
2 free programs I suggest these days are Adaware SE anti-spyware, and Avast Home Edition anti-virus. If you want to pay,
Windows Live OneCare is by far the best for XP, and will take care of both and has some extra features to backup/defrag/etc that are really nice.

Sit back, think, and take it to the bank in either case??..ultimately it?s your choice.

:beerchug:

[KenP]

That's what I thought as well, going homo or jeep on us. :giggling:Haha, I don't have a Jeep, but someone else sure does....:giggling:

[wpage]

Commies Mac's Jeeps Dummy Crats all synonyms with Canadian draft dodgers!:o

[timgco]

Haha, I don't have a Jeep, but someone else sure does....:giggling:

:jump: :jump:

[errett]

90% of the programs I do run are to try and make this POS run faster, which has all been in vain.

This sentence gives me a pretty good idea of why you are having problems with your PC.

We run Macs with Final Cut Pro as online editors at work and they have as many problems as the PC based machines.

[NEOCON1]

Originally Posted by d?i???????
Don't do it.

To prove how much Macs suck... watch when DRTY quotes this and can't even get my name to show up properly! :giggling:
There's a way to turn that feature on, but I'm too lazy to find it and like when your name is obscured.


:giggling: great entertainment :beerchug:

[NEOCON1]

Whew, Carey. I thought you were going homo on us all.

Oh wait, that's who Macs are marketed to.;)


:giggling:

[marin8703]

Don't do it.

If you primarily use PCs, a Mac will be useless. You will end up using VirtualPC almost all the time and it will be slow. All that crap about Macs is not true, my powerbook crashed all the time, it was annoying. Virus... not many for mac, but how many have you had on your PCs? Software compatibility issues, yes... lots. Look up programs you use and see if it's available on Mac, if it's not Photoshop then probably not! Yes, they can get bogged down like any other computer.

I've used PCs all of my life and could not get used to my powerbook, I ended up running VirtualPC on it 90% of the time and pretty much using it as a wireless monitor for my PCs using vnc.

You can get a lot more computer for the price as well.

To prove how much Macs suck... watch when DRTY quotes this and can't even get my name to show up properly! :giggling:

I have to agree with D, on almost everything. MAC besides popular beleife crash lots and ltos of times unless you baby it. The PC crashes about the same as a MAC, when overloaded a mac would crash just as easily as a PC, its just that MAC users dont do much that requires so overloading, hehe, maybe they do.

The thing about Viruses, forget about that mith, might have been true once but not anymore, MAC will get viruses, they are not invisable machines and their code is not written by an imortal.

Software cabailities, big issue. You wont find out how big the issue is untill you get the MAC. Even simple software that you would think is universal is not there for MAC. I had a MAC about a year ago, for about 2 months, and gave it away as a present cauze it sucked so much, couldnt get any software for it, that i needed, only some gay video software.

I did like their user interface, but Vista is matching that rite now. Donno how much vista is an improvement over XP but so far it seems like alot. There will be patches and things coming out probably to fix small things, just like in a first year model car/truck.

My school just upgraded 7 of the 30 some laboratories to Vista and they are booked all the time, the XP labs and the 4-5 MAC labs are almost empty. I used Vista several days ago, and it is much faster at loading programs compared to XP, it looks better, and apperantly it is safer (for some). Viruses are nothing to worry about if you know how to protect yourself. On my other computer I have absolutely no antivisrus or antispyware program installed and have not received a virus ever. (I do an internet scan once in a while so that I know).

So my advise is if you have used windows, get a Vista Premium computer and enjoy, you wont be dissapointed. Im looking at some HPs rite now cauze im palnning on buyng too, and they are awsome.

[bparker]

In my 13 yrs in the IT field - Mac users = Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes.

:shhh:

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

I had to use a Mac for an art class I took, and I hated it... I would stick with Windows! -Easy, reliable, easy.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I've been reading all the posts about your question and I think you should switch because...

[The Green Lantern]

Mac for life here, G5 is great! :clapping: I also have a 17" Powerbook G4 for over two years now and no problem at all, I can't wait for the G5 notebook to come out though, (probably not) but the Macbook Pro is really great. :popcorn: Apple is the only way (for me).

[DennisAJC]

I would stick with Windows! -Easy, reliable, easy.

Meth is baaad........Mmmmmkay?:D

[3Hummer]

go with windows!!!! The new windows vista is awsome, and so are the new sony laptops to go along with it thats what i have!

[The Green Lantern]

go with windows!!!! The new windows vista is awsome, and so are the new sony laptops to go along with it thats what i have!


Switch to Mac....do now!

Check this out - http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=925997E8&nclm=MacBookPro


Sweet!!!

[ssgharkness020147]

Thats what I've been thinking about. But, only in 17 inch screen.


Switch to Mac....do now!

Check this out - http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=925997E8&nclm=MacBookPro


Sweet!!!

[marin8703]

Check this out, for teh price of the mac, you can get this baby loaded and it'll be tons better than the mac. This is turning into an advertisement campaigne.:D

[usetosellhummer]

iS'NT GOING HOMO AND OR BUYING A JEEP THE SAME THING?:beerchug:

[ssgharkness020147]

Uhm... What is it? ;) :D


Check this out, for teh price of the mac, you can get this baby loaded and it'll be tons better than the mac. This is turning into an advertisement campaigne.:D

[marin8703]

Uhm... What is it? ;) :D

HAHA, sorry about that forgot the link:o :D here it is http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Usage&v1=Travel%2Fmobility&series_name=tx1000z_series

as i said you can get this laoded and it will still be cheaper than the mac, and tons better. Its also a tablet pc!!!!

[KS Trekker]

In my 13 yrs in the IT field - Mac users = Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes.

:shhh:

:iagree:

I am a (MCSE) Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer and I couldn't agree more. If Macs are so much better, why do Apple users continually feel the need to bash PCs? Most guys I know in IT that own Macs end up working on Microsoft or some type of UNIX in the workplace because very few companies use Macs. Mac has some nice eye candy, but I think Vista will narrow the gap. Just make sure you can buy the fastest PC you can afford for Vista.

[bparker]

Every mac I have ever seen has Windows on it (Virtual PC or some variant)

:clapping:

[BKLYNH2]

Don't do it.

If you primarily use PCs, a Mac will be useless. You will end up using VirtualPC almost all the time and it will be slow. All that crap about Macs is not true, my powerbook crashed all the time, it was annoying. Virus... not many for mac, but how many have you had on your PCs? Software compatibility issues, yes... lots. Look up programs you use and see if it's available on Mac, if it's not Photoshop then probably not! Yes, they can get bogged down like any other computer.

I've used PCs all of my life and could not get used to my powerbook, I ended up running VirtualPC on it 90% of the time and pretty much using it as a wireless monitor for my PCs using vnc.

You can get a lot more computer for the price as well.

To prove how much Macs suck... watch when DRTY quotes this and can't even get my name to show up properly!
You're INTEL is so outdated you sound like a fool the new macs run on intel processors, and can actually run windows, if you choose, virtual PC is over. I have used Macs since the apple IIE and have not had a virus ever. As far as your crashes are concerned were they in Virtual PC because that would be attributing the crash of your mac to a windows failure. VPC was almost always spotty anyway. If you need PC only programs by all means stick with a PC. If you like to surf the web, manage and alter photos, movies, music, video, need a spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, database, cad, animation, calander, contact management, basic tax or accounting, or email program you will do well with a mac and you'll do it with style and very intuitively. There I think I've covered the needs of 90% of the universe. Oh that's right if you have no life and really want to play cool games all the time buy an xboxor ps3. Macs cost more but a lot of the extra items you need to add to a pc ,like a wireless card for instance are already built into the mac, so the mac is good for people who want their computer to do things straight out of the box rather than requiring some Best buy IT a*hole to set it up for them.I have used both systems and can't emphasize enough how so many things that are so easy on a mac are chores on a pc. Now lets talk about where every PC innovation comes from.......... APPLE their operating system continuosly tries to emulate the mac os when are you dunces going to realise this. Every new use for a computer comes out on a mac first and then the PC world tries to match it.

[BKLYNH2]

I have to agree with D, on almost everything. MAC besides popular beleife (what's the matter is your spell check crashed?)crash lots and ltos of times unless you baby it. The PC crashes about the same as a MAC, when overloaded a mac would crash just as easily as a PC, its just that MAC users dont do much that requires so overloading, hehe, maybe they do. Ok aside from that being completely incoherrent I ask again what the hell do you people do that reqires such unbelievable processor power. They animate tv shows and movies on MACS under tight time deadlines with heavier processor requirements than most of you can conceive of using.

The thing about Viruses, forget about that mith, might have been true once but not anymore, MAC will get viruses, they are not invisable machines and their code is not written by an imortal.Ok I'm not even going to bother with the poor spelling and poor grammar anymore, its everywhere. How is it a myth if your own statement implies that mac viral infections are coming in the FUTURE. PC's are a greater target for viruses and will always be, in the future viruses will diminish as operating systems become designed to internally thwart virus attacks. This will apply to all, by the way, in the mean time you are still way safer with a MAC, FACT

Software cabailities, big issue. You wont find out how big the issue is untill you get the MAC. Even simple software that you would think is universal is not there for MAC. I had a MAC about a year ago, for about 2 months, and gave it away as a present cauze it sucked so much, couldnt get any software for it, that i needed, only some gay video software. What kind of ghey software were you looking for? a meatspin screen saver? You're going to need to elaborate. You might have an easier time finding the software you need if you took your head out of your ass.

I did like their user interface, but Vista is matching that rite now. Donno how much vista is an improvement over XP but so far it seems like alot. There will be patches and things coming out probably to fix small things, just like in a first year model car/truck. Funny when apple releases a new version of OS people race to embrace it when windows does they cringe. You've already admitted that XP needed improvement and that vista will be full of bugs, oh boy I can't wait to run out and put that junk in my computer.

My school just upgraded 7 of the 30 some laboratories to Vista and they are booked all the time, the XP labs and the 4-5 MAC labs are almost empty. I used Vista several days ago, and it is much faster at loading programs compared to XP, it looks better, and apperantly it is safer (for some). Viruses are nothing to worry about if you know how to protect yourself. On my other computer I have absolutely no antivisrus or antispyware program installed and have not received a virus ever. (I do an internet scan once in a while so that I know).You're fine use of the english language and your exemplary spelling suggest that we should not be impressed by the decisions made at your school.

So my advise is if you have used windows, get a Vista Premium computer and enjoy, you wont be dissapointed. Im looking at some HPs rite now cauze im palnning on buyng too, and they are awsome. You have fun with that :OWNED:

[BKLYNH2]

In my 13 yrs in the IT field - Mac users = Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes.

:shhh: Hmm most people in the IT field are Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes. And I have no idea why.:giggling:

This has got to be the most ridiculous argument made yet. As far as the non attractive thing goes if 90% of the computers owned are pc than chances are alot more of you are going to be nasty ugly. That is if I were to use one of your own's der logic.

[BKLYNH2]

Check this out, for teh price of the mac, you can get this baby loaded and it'll be tons better than the mac. This is turning into an advertisement campaigne.:D
Exactly what I was saying - for the price of a mac you can get a pc loaded with everything the mac already has.! :popcorn:

[BKLYNH2]

:iagree:

I am a (MCSE) Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer and I couldn't agree more. If Macs are so much better, why do Apple users continually feel the need to bash PCs?Until now this entire thread has been you fools bashing macs, you insecure fools. Most guys I know in IT that own Macs end up working on Microsoft or some type of UNIX in the workplace because very few companies use Macs. Mac has some nice eye candy, but I think Vista will narrow the gap.Again you guys are just trying to catch up. Just make sure you can buy the fastest PC you can afford for Vista.

self :OWNED:

[BKLYNH2]

Every mac I have ever seen has Windows on it (Virtual PC or some variant)

:clapping:

You need to get out of the house more.

[Tah2oe]

OK, here is my Mac running AutoCad 2007, Visio, Project, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Photoshop, browser, mail, word, excel, filemaker, address book, outlook, remote desktop, and a few other apps without an issue. My mac can run any PC or Mac software. Macs rule.

37577

[BKLYNH2]

i hope you have a 30" monitor.
:beerchug:

[ssgharkness020147]

You feeling ok there BKLYN? ;) :jump: Thanks for the tips guys. The insurance comapny is coming out today, so we'll see what happens.

[BKLYNH2]

You feeling ok there BKLYN? ;) :jump: Thanks for the tips guys. The insurance comapny is coming out today, so we'll see what happens.
I'm fine, just a little gas, that's all. :shhh:

[dеiтайожни]

In my 13 yrs in the IT field - Mac users = Non attractive, socially disassociated, self righteous, egotistical a$$holes.

:shhh:


x2 :giggling:

[dеiтайожни]

You wouldn't happen to work for Apple, would you BKLYNH2? I appreciate your help hyping the Mac, please do it in many other places... send my stock soaring!

[BKLYNH2]

Yes I am the director of apple's brooklyn corporate headquarters. How did you figure it out? Are you a rocket scientist? That might explain why your computer always crashes.

You really shouldn't invest in a product you don't believe in. Now might be the time to go short though, not saying I should know anything or anything :popcorn:

[BKLYNH2]

Hey Tah2oe - how much snow did you guys get out there?

[Boar-Ral]

I have owned several PCs and Apple computers over the past several years and the more that things change, the more they remain the same.

Despite what many Apple owners told me prior to purchasing my first PowerBook, OS X does bloat with time. Booting takes longer, programs run slower, and things crash more often. I am not speaking in terms of years, but weeks. I do not use my PowerBook for anything heavy duty, nor do I tweak with settings that I should not be touching, but within six weeks, my PowerBook will often not come out of sleep mode and when it does, either wireless or Bluetooth is broken and requires a reset. The problem grows worse until reseting the computer does not fix the problem. At that point, I am faced with reinstalling OS X.

When this does not happen, I am plagued several times per week with applications that crash and require a restart. These applications are not even third-party, but applications from Apple, including Safari and Mail. Speaking of Mail, it occasionally makes a nasty habit of ****ting the bed and losing all of its settings including preferences, mail accounts, and mail.

Not only are thse problems that I experience regularly, but they are problems we experience everywhere here. Three years ago, the owners of the company I work at decided to dump PCs in favour of Apple computers, and everything I have stated here also occurs at work on a very regular basis. (The owners are very pro-Apple and very much form over function. They are the type of people to gloat over gold plated **** just because it is gold plated, even though at the end of the day it is still ****.)

And the problems with Apple computers do not end with software. If you do purchase one, by all means purchase Applecare, their extended warranty. We operate over 70 Apple computers here and with no exaggeration, about three-quarters have required hardware replacement. Fortunately, the problem is almost always the same: a logic board replacement. Your keyboard could stop working or your power adapter could stop working and the solution is always to replace the logic board. The bad news is that without extended warranty, these boards cost nearly $700.

As I write this, I currently have two PowerBooks, one iMac, and one G5 next to my desk waiting for Apple technicians to arrive to repair them.

Can PCs experience the same problem? Of course. But do not think for a moment that simply switching to Apple is going to eliminate these problems. It won't. And many people underestimate the amount of software they use that simply isn't available for OS X. Several employees have jumped ship on their home systems and went Apple even after I repeatedly asked them if they had any software that required a PC. Most of them thought of one or two programs that they could do without, but after getting rid of their PC, almost all of them come to me the next week and ask if "Program X" is available for OS X. And then they have the nerve to get upset at me when I tell them that it is not. Like it is my problem that they are deaf and stupid.

My point is that you use what works for you. I would recommend you try one out at the local store before you put down your money on one. As I first said, I use both PCs and Apple computers regularly and they both have their place. In a business environment with basic applications, they work well, so long as you have Applecare and can have the repairs performed as soon as possible to prevent downtime. (This can be a problem if there are no Apple-certified repair centers nearby.) In any other circumstance, I would stress purchasing a PC. If you stick to a name brand you will be more likely to get well built hardware and a name brand computer will ensure that every piece of hardware in it is certified to work well with Windows -- it is in their best interest to keep technical support calls to a minimum. And repairs can be made anywhere and by almost anyone. Even in the middle of nowhere, hundreds of kilometers from the nearest major city, we can get a Dell technician here the next day with parts and have our computers working. I have yet to see Apple get a technician here in less than 10 business days.

So there you have it. Take it as you would like. I am simply offering my experience with Apple, and it is not positive. I work with them daily, and in great numbers, and so I feel it is a better representation. (If you want biased one computer owner feedback, my parents have a PC that has not crashed once and works flawlessly. But I wouldn't use it to generalize how good PCs are.)

A final word of advice: do not install third-party "Windows fixers." Not only are most applications that are advertised to speed up your computer and clean it up really loaded with malware, but you've just sunk another $xx into software that does nothing, best case scenario. Even reputable software usually does not make a big enough difference to be worth your money. There is a reason many people call it "Norton Systemdoesn'tworks." Use a simple antivirus program like McAfee Antivirus, Norton Antivirus, or AVG Antivirus which is free, and an antispyware application like Windows Defender, and leave it at that. It will take care of you so long as you keep it updated and keep Windows updated. I cannot stress this enough. If I had a penny for every time I saw an employee abort a Windows update because it "slowed down their computer," I could afford another PowerBook. (i.e. I would be rich.) People who complain about their computer's performance while doing such obvious things to compromise it make me want to weep because I know I will be performing cleanup down the road.

Sorry to run on about this, but I have had to deal with this sort of situation often and I know that you need to be informed before you purchase it because each situation is as unique as the person using it. I recommended an iMac to my in-laws last week, but I know their situation.

So there you go. Definitely more than just my two cents.

[dеiтайожни]

Oh, you Mac people are too funny. Thanks for the investing tips, but there are enough brainwashed Mac psychos like yourself that I don't need to believe in their product. :shhh:

P.S. - The normal cause for my Powerbook crashing was simple things, like opening up Safari.

[Boar-Ral]

You're INTEL is so outdated you sound like a fool the new macs run on intel processors, and can actually run windows, if you choose, virtual PC is over. I have used Macs since the apple IIE and have not had a virus ever. As far as your crashes are concerned were they in Virtual PC because that would be attributing the crash of your mac to a windows failure. VPC was almost always spotty anyway. If you need PC only programs by all means stick with a PC. If you like to surf the web, manage and alter photos, movies, music, video, need a spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, database, cad, animation, calander, contact management, basic tax or accounting, or email program you will do well with a mac and you'll do it with style and very intuitively. There I think I've covered the needs of 90% of the universe. Oh that's right if you have no life and really want to play cool games all the time buy an xboxor ps3. Macs cost more but a lot of the extra items you need to add to a pc ,like a wireless card for instance are already built into the mac, so the mac is good for people who want their computer to do things straight out of the box rather than requiring some Best buy IT a*hole to set it up for them.I have used both systems and can't emphasize enough how so many things that are so easy on a mac are chores on a pc. Now lets talk about where every PC innovation comes from.......... APPLE their operating system continuosly tries to emulate the mac os when are you dunces going to realise this. Every new use for a computer comes out on a mac first and then the PC world tries to match it.

We operate over 70 Apple computers in our environment here and approximately half of them require the use of Windows software. Bootcamp made it easy to let our computers run both OS X and Windows but it did not make it run well. Windows XP is plagued with crashes and restarts on the Apple computers whereas it continues chugging away on our PCs. I find it impossible to believe the problem is with Windows when our PCs operate without incident but on our Apple hardware it can be counted on to crash at least once per week per computer.

Describing people who play games as "having no life" is the typical stance an Apple advocate takes: egotism and superiority. Because you do not enjoy playing games, then obviously everyone else must follow in your footsteps lest they have "no life."

And Apple computers coming with hardware like wireless "out of the box?" Sure, if you order your computer with that. (Hint: you can order every name-brand PC with these options too, and amazing enough, it works when you turn on the computer!)

Apple advocates also love to push the "we did it first" argument, which is amusing in its own rights as Apple admitted to "borrowing" Xerox's ideas when they designed the original MacOS and more recently, "borrowing" ideas from NEXTSTEP for OS X. Innovation my ass. The only innovation I see coming from Apple is the iPhone and the iPod, but certainly not in their computers. You can dress up a pig but at the end of the day, it is still a pig.

Is the PC guilty of this? Of course it is. But most PC users understand that. They do not hide behind some false sense of superiority.

[dеiтайожни]

Boar-Ral -- Good posts.

Those problems are the exact ones I had. Within weeks it was slowing down, it wouldn't come out of sleep, regularly. Bluetooth, wireless wouldn't work unless you restart, programs losing settings, crashing, etc.. In the year or so I had it, I ended up reinstalling OSX 3 times. But, I'm sure I'm to blame for all those problems, right BKLYNH2?

[Boar-Ral]

P.S. - The normal cause for my Powerbook crashing was simple things, like opening up Safari.
I hear you there!

[BKLYNH2]

Boar-Ral -- Good posts.

Those problems are the exact ones I had. Within weeks it was slowing down, it wouldn't come out of sleep, regularly. Bluetooth, wireless wouldn't work unless you restart, programs losing settings, crashing, etc.. In the year or so I had it, I ended up reinstalling OSX 3 times. But, I'm sure I'm to blame for all those problems, right BKLYNH2?

Yes you are!
And there was a fix issued for the sleep issue.:dancingbanana:

[Boar-Ral]

Funny when apple releases a new version of OS people race to embrace it when windows does they cringe. You've already admitted that XP needed improvement and that vista will be full of bugs, oh boy I can't wait to run out and put that junk in my computer.
Operating system updates occur on any platform. The biggest difference between is how the companies decide to handle them.

For the past several months, a group of hackers has been finding security holes in OS X and relaying the information to Apple, where it was rebuffed. At a computer expo last month, they exploited several of these security holes in front of a crowd. Guess what? Within one week, Apple had released a series of security updates to OS X. In addition, the hacking group has backed away from Apple and has indicated that in the future they will not be providing Apple with advanced notice and will instead make their findings immediately known on the internet.

If anyone would care to take a look at some of the recent updates to OS X (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61798) you might be interested in seeing how serious some of the vulnerabilities are. The best part is how an OS X update summarizes everything as "miscellaneous security updates." Apple realizes that this is one of the few marketing ploys they have left.

Good job, Apple.

[Boar-Ral]

And there was a fix issued for the sleep issue.:dancingbanana:
Really.

My PowerBook looks for new updates every day. I forced a software update check when I read your post and found nothing. I also went to Apple's web site to look for an update that I might have to install manually.

Nothing.

Yet my PowerBook continues to experience all of the previously-mentioned problems when attempting to come out of sleep mode.

[Boar-Ral]

Boar-Ral -- Good posts.
Thank you. My point is not to promote the PC and put down Apple computers, but instead level the playing field. Both of them have their advantages and disadvantages, but the reason I hit on Apple so hard is because all you ever hear is the positive. Rarely do you hear about the other side of the coin. It is not because it doesn't exist, but because they do not want you to hear it.

I think my situation is similar to many Apple owners in that they would rather pretend the problems do not exist. My wife ragged on me for purchasing my first PowerBook and when I started experiencing problems, I kept quiet. I certainly wasn't going to give her more fodder! I know that given the Apple vs. PC debate, I can see this being an issue at a larger scale too.

Just because we do not hear about the problems does not mean they do not exist.

[Boar-Ral]

One thing that I must say about Apple: their Applecare warranty is good. The aluminium on my PowerBook started to pit badly and they did not hesitate to replace the chassis for me. Last I checked, I do not have acid for blood...

[BKLYNH2]

Hey you're the IT guy. Don't ask me to find it for you.Might be those made for Canada versions that don't work quite right. Maybe you should call...

[Boar-Ral]

Hey you're the IT guy. Don't ask me to find it for you.Might be those made for Canada versions that don't work quite right. Maybe you should call...
But you have been so forward with pulling other things out of your ass, I thought that you might have some insider knowledge. Working for Apple and all that.

I have spoken to our Apple representatives on many occasions and they have worked on my PowerBook on two occasions and the problem persists.

Thanks for the Canuck reference. Really relevent. I'm sure it will help me solve my problem.

Now get my ****ing burger ready.

[BKLYNH2]

Thank you. My point is not to promote the PC and put down Apple computers, but instead level the playing field. Both of them have their advantages and disadvantages, but the reason I hit on Apple so hard is because all you ever hear is the positive. Rarely do you hear about the other side of the coin. It is not because it doesn't exist, but because they do not want you to hear it.

I think my situation is similar to many Apple owners in that they would rather pretend the problems do not exist. My wife ragged on me for purchasing my first PowerBook and when I started experiencing problems, I kept quiet. I certainly wasn't going to give her more fodder! I know that given the Apple vs. PC debate, I can see this being an issue at a larger scale too.

Just because we do not hear about the problems does not mean they do not exist.
Ok, I'll admit the hinge on my powerbook TI sucked and I broke it eventually. You've been doing a great job of bashing macs so how about some equal time right here.

[bparker]

LMFAO - case and point....

You're INTEL is so outdated you sound like a fool the new macs run on intel processors, and can actually run windows, if you choose, virtual PC is over. I have used Macs since the apple IIE and have not had a virus ever. As far as your crashes are concerned were they in Virtual PC because that would be attributing the crash of your mac to a windows failure. VPC was almost always spotty anyway. If you need PC only programs by all means stick with a PC. If you like to surf the web, manage and alter photos, movies, music, video, need a spreadsheet, word processor, presentation, database, cad, animation, calander, contact management, basic tax or accounting, or email program you will do well with a mac and you'll do it with style and very intuitively. There I think I've covered the needs of 90% of the universe. Oh that's right if you have no life and really want to play cool games all the time buy an xboxor ps3. Macs cost more but a lot of the extra items you need to add to a pc ,like a wireless card for instance are already built into the mac, so the mac is good for people who want their computer to do things straight out of the box rather than requiring some Best buy IT a*hole to set it up for them.I have used both systems and can't emphasize enough how so many things that are so easy on a mac are chores on a pc. Now lets talk about where every PC innovation comes from.......... APPLE their operating system continuosly tries to emulate the mac os when are you dunces going to realise this. Every new use for a computer comes out on a mac first and then the PC world tries to match it.

[Boar-Ral]

Ok, I'll admit the hinge on my powerbook TI sucked and I broke it eventually. You've been doing a great job of bashing macs so how about some equal time right here.
No problem. I can do that.

I have one PC that I have been unable to install Windows XP on at all. It gets halfway, then the installation tanks. It worked fine for two years, then crashed, and now I am at this stage.

I installed Windows Vista on my main PC laptop and it worked fine for about four weeks. I started getting bluescreens for two weeks. Then when I restarted, it performed a disk scan, restarted again, and reported "Operating System not found," requiring me to reinstall Windows.

I have a PC laptop that will occasionally refuse to boot. You can press the power button and it powers up, but nothing is ever displayed on screen and it never proceeds to boot. After turning it off and on a few times, it will finally boot properly.

My main PC laptop has some cosmetic problems, like paint chipping and a cracked hinge cover.

The DVD-RW in that laptop is also broken and will not read or write disks.

I dropped the same laptop and the switch for detecting if it is closed or not sometimes flakes out, causing the computer to randomly go into sleep mode.

There are a few other issues that I cannot remember right now, but this illustrates a few of my PC problems. See? I can be fair.

I would also like to take a moment to apologize for my "burger" comment in my last post. It was uncalled for and rude of me. I was upset and it was reflected in my post. Again, sorry.

[BKLYNH2]

here would you like fries with that?

Canada


History
British and French explorers originally settled in Canada sometime before 1975. Years of isolation led to Canadians declaring independence in 1984; the Queen never objected, since she forgot Canada's existence. Canada has since become the leading exporter of maple syrup and snow shovels. Over the years, Canadians have inbred and worn snow caps, flannel hats with ear flaps as a mark of their blatant incest.

Culture
Canada fosters two cultures; the Hosers and the French Canadians. The French Canadians are the by-product of French culture settling in Canada, and have notoriety for being voted the snootiest people in North America. French Canadians prefer to be called Quebecois, since they reside in Quebec, a former toxic waste disposal site the French saw fit to colonise. Due to their repulsive stench, the French were not upset by the radioactive waste, and have contributed much to Canadian history.
The Hosers, on the other hand, are unsophisticated hicks who inhabit the remainder of the nation. They are fond of maple syrup, maple leaves, maple wood, maple yams, snow, snow caps, fanny packs and hockey. Hosers thrive inside igloos, homes made from snow bricks, in order to have shelter in an inhospitable environment. The majority of their time is spent blind drunk, and picking fights at hockey matches. It is for this very reason that Canadians are frequently missing teeth.

Politics
The Quebecois demand succession from the Dominion of Canada, and have retaliated by speaking French, an incomprehensible language invented by hobos and pretentious *******s. Quebecois often rally in hopes having a free Quebec, but nobody really cares about French people anymore. Nobody cared in the first place.
Hosers support a liberal government that supports free, state-operated healthcare. Also, Canadians support gay marriage, probably because they're all flamboyantly queer fags; other causes Canadians support are medical marijuana, which explains the high percentage of stoners who frequent Toronto, the cultural crossroads.

Language
After settling in Canada, the settlers mutated British slang into what is now Hoser speek. Absurd expressions such as "eh?" conclude most sentences, and the English word "about" is "aboot" in Hoser speech e.g. "What are ye talking aboot, eh?" etc.
Quebecois are asshats who speak French. That's all you need to know.

Food
A typical meal revolves around maple syrup, a staple in every Canadian's diet. The main crop is elk, supported by vast badger imports from abroad.

Notable Canadians
None, unless you count Celine Dion. Which you shouldn?t.

Further Information
It is acceptable to refer to Canadians--excepting the Quebecois--as Cannucks. Really this is pointless, as you can just point and grunt at a Canadian and they'll understand exactly.

[BKLYNH2]

oops too late :giggling:

[Boar-Ral]

Oh! I remember an interesting PC snafu from a few weeks ago!

I was reinstalling Windows XP SP1 on a PC and it worked well. First install, it installed basic hardware and I started installing Windows updates. First reboot, and suddenly the network card refused to recognize that there was a cable connected. Windows saw the card fine, but the card did not see the cable. After two days of leaving it on the bench, I was working on another project when I looked over and saw the link light was on. Curious, I installed more updates, restarted, and bang, no link light again. Another two days, and it started working again. By this time, I had another identical PC on my bench, and the exact same thing happened. It worked at first, but not after the first round of updates.

I ended up buying a separate NIC because it was cheaper than spending my time uninstalling updates one at a time to find out which one was causing the issue.

[Boar-Ral]

here would you like fries with that?

Canada


History
British and French explorers originally settled in Canada sometime before 1975. Years of isolation led to Canadians declaring independence in 1984; the Queen never objected, since she forgot Canada's existence. Canada has since become the leading exporter of maple syrup and snow shovels. Over the years, Canadians have inbred and worn snow caps, flannel hats with ear flaps as a mark of their blatant incest.

Culture
Canada fosters two cultures; the Hosers and the French Canadians. The French Canadians are the by-product of French culture settling in Canada, and have notoriety for being voted the snootiest people in North America. French Canadians prefer to be called Quebecois, since they reside in Quebec, a former toxic waste disposal site the French saw fit to colonise. Due to their repulsive stench, the French were not upset by the radioactive waste, and have contributed much to Canadian history.
The Hosers, on the other hand, are unsophisticated hicks who inhabit the remainder of the nation. They are fond of maple syrup, maple leaves, maple wood, maple yams, snow, snow caps, fanny packs and hockey. Hosers thrive inside igloos, homes made from snow bricks, in order to have shelter in an inhospitable environment. The majority of their time is spent blind drunk, and picking fights at hockey matches. It is for this very reason that Canadians are frequently missing teeth.

Politics
The Quebecois demand succession from the Dominion of Canada, and have retaliated by speaking French, an incomprehensible language invented by hobos and pretentious *******s. Quebecois often rally in hopes having a free Quebec, but nobody really cares about French people anymore. Nobody cared in the first place.
Hosers support a liberal government that supports free, state-operated healthcare. Also, Canadians support gay marriage, probably because they're all flamboyantly queer fags; other causes Canadians support are medical marijuana, which explains the high percentage of stoners who frequent Toronto, the cultural crossroads.

Language
After settling in Canada, the settlers mutated British slang into what is now Hoser speek. Absurd expressions such as "eh?" conclude most sentences, and the English word "about" is "aboot" in Hoser speech e.g. "What are ye talking aboot, eh?" etc.
Quebecois are asshats who speak French. That's all you need to know.

Food
A typical meal revolves around maple syrup, a staple in every Canadian's diet. The main crop is elk, supported by vast badger imports from abroad.

Notable Canadians
None, unless you count Celine Dion. Which you shouldn?t.

Further Information
It is acceptable to refer to Canadians--excepting the Quebecois--as Cannucks. Really this is pointless, as you can just point and grunt at a Canadian and they'll understand exactly.
Whoah! There are so many inaccuracies here I do not know where to begin!

First, let's be honest, the Queen pretty much forgets everything now. She is what, 300 years old? Give her a break!

As for Canada being a leader in the export of maple syrup, that is true! (Honest, look it up.) I do not know about shovels though. I think that since we invaded China, they are being built in "Canada East" now.

Global warming has put an end to living in igloos. We have had to resort to tent cities now. I actually walk to the United States to post in the forums. Global warming has also put an end to hockey here. Now, our time is spent sucking the government teat for our welfare checks or having sex with farm animals. I believe there is a bill put in motion for Alabama to annex us. Alabama isn't too close to New Jersey, is it?

I do not know any French Canadians, so I cannot speak for them or about them. I think that they have running water and sewage now, but would appreciate any input on this.

Referring to Canadians as Canucks is true. As far as I am aware, no one has ever taken offense to this.

There are a few typos, too. (i.e. "Hoser speek" should be "Hoser speak," etc.)

Would you like me to help you with the rewrite?

[BKLYNH2]

Whoah! There are so many inaccuracies here I do not know where to begin! Kind of like your mac bashing. :shhh:

There are a few typos, too. (i.e. "Hoser speek" should be "Hoser speak," etc.)

Would you like me to help you with the rewrite? You are assuming I wrote this. I am merely the messenger. :dancingbanana:

[bparker]

37582

[Boar-Ral]

Kind of like your mac bashing. :shhh:

You are assuming I wrote this. I am merely the messenger. :dancingbanana:
My "bashing" was more a discussion of my experiences working with Apple computers and observing others working with Apple computers, with advice based on this experience tossed in for good measure.

I realize that you did not write that but I still felt compelled to offer my input.

[KenP]

I have PC's and they crash sometimes.

[bparker]

I still felt compelled to offer my input.

37583

[bparker]

37585

[bparker]

More Mac's homo logo design..

37586

[bparker]

37587

[bparker]

How to "get the mac look" (http://lifehacker.com/software/mac/get-the-mac-look-201084.php)

:jump:

[BKLYNH2]

let's see you've unleashed a bunch of inaccurate non facts, and now the requisite ghey humor .... let's see .... ah yes..... time for retard jokes.....
c'mon parker let's hear the retard jokes.
:lame:

[bparker]

Making jokes about retarded people is just mean... :giggling:

[Boar-Ral]

let's see you've unleashed a bunch of inaccurate non facts, and now the requisite ghey humor .... let's see .... ah yes..... time for retard jokes.....
c'mon parker let's hear the retard jokes.
:lame:
OS X 10.8 Liger would pretty much be my favourite operating system. It's like OS X Lion and OS X Tiger mixed... programmed for its skills in magic.

[BKLYNH2]

Don't you have to go to curling practice. Hoser. :fdance:

[Boar-Ral]

Don't you have to go to curling practice. Hoser. :fdance:
Who was that directed to?

Quote.

Use it. Love it.

[BKLYNH2]

I don't know are there any other canucks in this room? :giggling:

By the way, do you know who was behind the NEXTSTEP OS?

[Boar-Ral]

I don't know are there any other canucks in this room? :giggling:

By the way, do you know who was behind the NEXTSTEP OS?
Forum membership is international, so you figure it out, genius.

Steve Jobs founded NeXT after he was ousted from the ownership group at Apple so to be fair, he stole innovation both ways. Not only did he steal innovation for his new company, but prior to leaving Apple he knew that they were looking at a particular workstation hardware that, lo and behold, NeXT started designing and producing. It was so obvious that Apple sued NeXT, if memory serves correctly. Furthermore, NeXT did not go out of business -- Apple bought them out and Steve Jobs came along for the ride. So much for innovation.

How long did it take you to figure you had something on my argument? You've responded to plenty of other aspects of it between now and when I stated it.

[BKLYNH2]

I was just getting tired of bickering. As I see it apple has always been Steve Jobs so OSX being derived from NEXT is really just the evolution of MAC OS not stealing. I don't see how it is a lack of innovation same guy doing his thing he just developed it elsewhere. Apple was a mess without Jobs, look at what has happened since he's been back.

[Boar-Ral]

I was just getting tired of bickering. As I see it apple has always been Steve Jobs so OSX being derived from NEXT is really just the evolution of MAC OS not stealing. I don't see how it is a lack of innovation same guy doing his thing he just developed it elsewhere. Apple was a mess without Jobs, look at what has happened since he's been back.
I'm getting tired of bickering too, but it is a slow day at work. :)

I am not denying in any way that Apple is doing a remarkable job with what they have, nor am I denying that Steve Jobs is the catalyst behind it.

I'm just saying that either way you go, PC or Apple, it isn't all rainbows and unicorns. (I think that can be said without a gay reference.) Every person is different and what computer they choose will vary. That is why I think that it is important to try both and see what works best. Personally, when I bought my first modern Apple computer, I was excited and I think it is great. Apart from the weird problems that occur after a few weeks of regular use, it is a fantastic piece of engineering. I even got to gloat for a few weeks when I bought it, because I had a faster laptop than some of the pro-Apple owners at work had in their desktops. (That changed quickly, though.)

I am privledged that I am able to own both and use both, as I know most people cannot. (In a general sense. Amongst the membership of this forum, I do not expect that to be a big issue. Then again, it is becoming a stretch for me now too.) That is why it is really important for people to find what works for them, because after you buy it, that's it. Some places will accept returns within 30 days, but six months down the road if you find a piece of software that you cannot live without and it doesn't work on your computer -- PC or Apple, there is OS X software I'd love on my PC -- you are hooped.

That's all I'm saying. (With lots of being sidetracked.)

[BKLYNH2]

:giggling:

[dеiтайожни]

BKLYNH2, why would you wear your unicorn shirt to a Mac convention? Don't they have dress codes for those things? I guess that's just "Think Different" for you... :shhh: :giggling:

[KS Trekker]

self :OWNED:

:lame:

Need I say more? First of all Macs are both Apple hardware and OS (Operating System) for the non-IT techno-idiot that thinks they "owned" me. So it's not really fair to compare all PCs to Macs. Microsoft does not make the machine, just the OS and applications. Bring it on, I'll even give you my IP address if you think you can hack me and my Windows systems. I've never had a virus on my Windows, but I'm not a freakin' idiot that downloads everything either.

[bparker]

Here here :beerchug:

Someone had to say it haha

First of all Macs are both Apple hardware and OS (Operating System) for the non-IT techno-idiot that thinks they "owned" me.

[MajorGeek]

Being in the business, there are pros and cons. Had this discussion 1,000+ times.

Macs are nice machines. I love em. Good operating system, excellent for sound and video editing. They are also expensive and no choice in what hardware you get, not always bad. Software is more limited and slower to release. Still, if you can afford it, you will like it. Price drives many away.

PC's are more vunerable due to people who are click happy. One time, while doing a review of an anti-spyware program, I tried to get infected as a test (with no anti-malware tools running) and I could not no matter how hard I tried, and I saw some sick crap I have found that the majority of pc users click ok to anything. They typically are downloading illegal music, videos, porn or all of the above. If they are not, then a family member is. They also tend to fall for free screensavers and things that require you download a program to get a program or give up your email and more.

PC's are a huge target because Windows (98, Me, 2k, Vista, 03) are easily installed on the overwhelming majority of computers. When the security argument comes up, you simply need to read Apples and Microsofts patch release notes, they tend to look almost the same! Look at it this way, if you start a business, do you target 95% of the market, or 5% of the market? Theres no money to be made infecting Macs with malware. The most secure, stable computers are the ones not connected to the internet, used by one person, who never installs anything. A little knowledge goes a long way :)

[bparker]

Truer werds have neva been spoken.

PC's are more vunerable due to people who are click happy. I have found that the majority of pc users click ok to anything. They typically are downloading illegal music, videos, porn or all of the above. If they are not, then a family member is. They also tend to fall for free screensavers and things that require you download a program to get a program or give up your email and more.

[Boar-Ral]

:giggling:
http://pbfcomics.com/archive/PBF024AD-Nice_T_Shirt.jpg

[Boar-Ral]

PC's are more vunerable due to people who are click happy. One time, while doing a review of an anti-spyware program, I tried to get infected as a test (with no anti-malware tools running) and I could not no matter how hard I tried, and I saw some sick crap I have found that the majority of pc users click ok to anything. They typically are downloading illegal music, videos, porn or all of the above. If they are not, then a family member is. They also tend to fall for free screensavers and things that require you download a program to get a program or give up your email and more.
Exactly. I had an argument about Windows Vista security last week with someone who argued that UAC was pointless because every time a security prompt appears, he just keeps clicking OK, so it is pointless. That type of behaviour is bad for two reasons: when such a prompt appears you never click OK without thinking about it, and it also implied that he was operating without an administrator password, otherwise he would need to enter that information each time.

It is basic things like that which really makes the difference between those who are infected and those who are not. I have seen a few people completely mess up their iMac because they did not configure it with a root password and started poking at settings and files until the system would not boot. And the worst is that these same people will do it again and again no matter how many times you tell them and no matter how many times they break something.

As you indicated, screensavers are one of the biggest security risks that I have seen on Windows PCs. New mouse pointers are another one that seem to get people hooked. I have never really figured out the latter, as most of the mouse pointers are so convuluted that I cannot even tell where to click anymore on these computers.

Bleh!

[marin8703]

Quote:
Originally Posted by marin8703
I have to agree with D, on almost everything. MAC besides popular beleife (what's the matter is your spell check crashed?)crash lots and ltos of times unless you baby it. The PC crashes about the same as a MAC, when overloaded a mac would crash just as easily as a PC, its just that MAC users dont do much that requires so overloading, hehe, maybe they do. Ok aside from that being completely incoherrent I ask again what the hell do you people do that reqires such unbelievable processor power. They animate tv shows and movies on MACS under tight time deadlines with heavier processor requirements than most of you can conceive of using.

The thing about Viruses, forget about that mith, might have been true once but not anymore, MAC will get viruses, they are not invisable machines and their code is not written by an imortal.Ok I'm not even going to bother with the poor spelling and poor grammar anymore, its everywhere. How is it a myth if your own statement implies that mac viral infections are coming in the FUTURE. PC's are a greater target for viruses and will always be, in the future viruses will diminish as operating systems become designed to internally thwart virus attacks. This will apply to all, by the way, in the mean time you are still way safer with a MAC, FACT

Software cabailities, big issue. You wont find out how big the issue is untill you get the MAC. Even simple software that you would think is universal is not there for MAC. I had a MAC about a year ago, for about 2 months, and gave it away as a present cauze it sucked so much, couldnt get any software for it, that i needed, only some gay video software. What kind of ghey software were you looking for? a meatspin screen saver? You're going to need to elaborate. You might have an easier time finding the software you need if you took your head out of your ass.

I did like their user interface, but Vista is matching that rite now. Donno how much vista is an improvement over XP but so far it seems like alot. There will be patches and things coming out probably to fix small things, just like in a first year model car/truck. Funny when apple releases a new version of OS people race to embrace it when windows does they cringe. You've already admitted that XP needed improvement and that vista will be full of bugs, oh boy I can't wait to run out and put that junk in my computer.

My school just upgraded 7 of the 30 some laboratories to Vista and they are booked all the time, the XP labs and the 4-5 MAC labs are almost empty. I used Vista several days ago, and it is much faster at loading programs compared to XP, it looks better, and apperantly it is safer (for some). Viruses are nothing to worry about if you know how to protect yourself. On my other computer I have absolutely no antivisrus or antispyware program installed and have not received a virus ever. (I do an internet scan once in a while so that I know).You're fine use of the english language and your exemplary spelling suggest that we should not be impressed by the decisions made at your school.

So my advise is if you have used windows, get a Vista Premium computer and enjoy, you wont be dissapointed. Im looking at some HPs rite now cauze im palnning on buyng too, and they are awsome.

You have fun with that :OWNED:

hey, thanks for the grammar and spelling check, but you got most of what I was trying to say. This time im going to do my best to keeps things spelled rightand as simple as possible, although i gaurantee nothing. Didn't realize this was a spelling contest.

I'll just start from you first point, comment on it and go from there.

The only processor demanding work that I have known a mac to do is movie processing. Im not saying thats an easy job, not at all, but come on, it sure as hell isn't the hardest. I have not seen a mac do laboratory simulations/analysis of even the simplest crap. Someone posted a screen of a mac with all kinds of programs opened, that was pointless. Having windows open does not require more power than my ti-89 has. Why dont you try having the autocad software do a rendering of a 40 mb drawing, and have the other programs do stuff at the same time, it ain't gona happen no matter how much you wish it. A PC wont do it either, I just wanted to point out that having programs loaded into memory means jack.

Ok, again with the spelling, what are you a 50 year old grade school teacher? My statement was "The thing about Viruses, forget about that mith, might have been true once but not anymore, MAC will get viruses, they are not invisable machines and their code is not written by an imortal." How hard is that to understand, are your retarded? It says that macs are not safe anymore, so if you get a mac it can very easily get a virus, its not invisible. Get it? Dont try to read between the line, theres nothing there, and your too stupid to do that anyways. Although I do agree that macs are still safer than pcs.

Again you have a problem with reading comprehension. "couldnt get any software for it, that i needed, only some gay video software." This says that i couldnt get any software for it that i needed, only found useless gay video software, by which i meant video editing software; but for some reason your mind goes to meatspin, whats up with that? BTW, my head has been out of my ass for a long time now, thanks for the suggestion though. Many fluid and thermo simulation software is not available for the mac, and dont even talk about gaming, pathetic. I was saying that there isn't software that I needed, not software that your meatspin loving self needs.

Definately, XP needs improvements and thats what vista is for. I said that Vista will have bugs, not that it will be full of bugs. And OS X needs improvements too, so dont flatter yourself. Every new piece of software has bugs. If it doesnt, all that means is that the company wont admit to any flaws and their software is out there with bugs. It is impossible to have an OS (thousands and thousands of lines of code) that has no bugs, absolutely impossible. if you say otherwise theres something wrong with you.

Oh, and you should be impressed with my university. Im not involved with much writing, so my abilities are sufficient for what i do. Your comprehension skills seem to be on par with my spelling and grammar skills, and thats a problem in any field of work.

Check every university in the entire nation, if you find one running more macs than pc, come back here, post and I will say that you are the man, and I will go purchase a mac. Im talking about real, accredited universities that do reasearch, preferably a tech school, no antsi pantsy art or video editing school. Check the Association of Independent Technological Universities, top tech/research schools in the nation, mine is one of them, and no mac superiority there.

So thanks for the spelling and grammar lessons, and dont be so sensitive, macs arent that bad, just not as good as pcs.:) And I did not use spell check, I wrote carefully, which was an absolute waste of time.

ssgharkness020147, which way you leaning so far, or did you already make a purchase? good luck with your shopping.

Sorry for the ridiculously long post everyone.:o

[ssgharkness020147]

I havent made a choice yet. Before I go shopping I want my check from the insurance company. I just got the stuff to file my claim in the mail today, I'll have it sent out by monday, and hopefully this will get figured out easily. While I'm hoping... I hope I get a $10,000.00 check from them too. Max coverege. Fingers crossed.

[dеiтайожни]

I'll just start from you first point, comment on it and go from there.

Uhh... what? Did you mean to say "I'll just start from your first point, comment on it and go from there."? If you could just use proper grammar it wouldn't have taken me 11 minutes to get passed that sentence. :jump: :giggling:

BTW - Firefox has a cool feature that underlines misspelled words as you type them and gives you suggestions. It won't help with your grammar though. ;)

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

5 pages of "my dick is better then your dick:

ENOUGHT !

[Tah2oe]

Someone posted a screen of a mac with all kinds of programs opened, that was pointless. Having windows open does not require more power than my ti-89 has. Why dont you try having the autocad software do a rendering of a 40 mb drawing, and have the other programs do stuff at the same time, it ain't gona happen no matter how much you wish it. A PC wont do it either, I just wanted to point out that having programs loaded into memory means jack.



Did you notice that there was a mix of Apple and PC software running simultaneously? :twak:

I use AutoCad for electrical design and it is in use when open. I don't do any 3D rendering with AutoCad. I also use Microsoft Project for project scheduling, I was also working on a Visio drawing because we are a data/comm contractor also.

I was trying to show that these are all PC programs running fine on my Mac. At the same time I was running some of my Mac movie making programs and other Mac software. You cannot show me a PC running PC programs and Mac programs at the same time.

My machine never bogs down, it handles all of these programs not just open but actually performing tasks when open.

Machine Name: Mac Pro
Processor Name: Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 3.0 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
Memory: 7 GB
Bus Speed: 1.33 GHz

I also have a lot of windows machines as well. I just prefer working on a platform that allows me to run whatever software I want.

[SnakeH2]

5 pages of "my dick is better then your dick:

ENOUGHT !


...and you went through all five pages in search of the best dick:p

[evldave]

Machine Name: Mac Pro
Processor Name: Dual-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 3.0 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Total Number Of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
Memory: 7 GB
Bus Speed: 1.33 GHz



And how much did you pay for that (nevermined I configured it on Apple's website)??? I bet if I spent as much as you on a regular PC I could get myself a quad core Dell (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_710h2c?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19)with a crapload of ram and I bet I can run all that software you run, still be able to play top-flight games (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8219769&type=product&id=1166236336853), plug my PC into my entertainment system (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-qTGoIbW24rc/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=10420&I=033AV3806S), download porn (http://meatspin.com), run a file server for the rest of my home network, watch movies via Windows Vista (http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3333198), stream music (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-qTGoIbW24rc/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=200650&I=593M1000) to my garage stereo, feed live webcams (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Lorex-PC-Camera-with-Night-Vision-DMC2030/sem/rpsm/oid/161720/catOid/-13346/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) to the internet, track the weather via my weather station (http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=2&scid=84&pid=685) and still have enough money left over to pay for crack, hookers, and beer. :fdance:


Plus I can (hypothetically) get a lot more pirated software for the PC, not spend a fortune on hardware upgrades, there is significantly more accessories available, compatibility across machines, etc etc etc.

[BKLYNH2]

Just for kicks I checked it out with a comparable dell with 20" widescreen monitor like you did with the apple. I'm at 6,380.00 with only 4gb memory no bluetooth, or wireless capability, no usb modem although i have no idea why you added it. Why can you only buy 4gb of memory for the top of the line dell? Buy the time you add the left out items you will surely wind up a tad higher than the apple. You still won't have great software programs like iphoto, itunes, imovie, or garage band. So looks like your wrong.
:twak:

[Boar-Ral]

Just for kicks I checked it out with a comparable dell with 20" widescreen monitor like you did with the apple. I'm at 6,380.00 with only 4gb memory no bluetooth, or wireless capability, no usb modem although i have no idea why you added it. Why can you only buy 4gb of memory for the top of the line dell? Buy the time you add the left out items you will surely wind up a tad higher than the apple. You still won't have great software programs like iphoto, itunes, imovie, or garage band. So looks like your wrong.
:twak:
The Dell Precision workstations allow up to 64 GB of memory. I think the Optiplex only allows 4 GB of memory.

EDIT: Unfortunately, Dell's web site changes from week to week. I've seen Bluetooth offered in the past, but it is missing now. (It is about a $25 option.) I have also seen Fibre Channel offered before, but not now. This is my biggest complaint about Dell, that if I build a computer online and suggest it to someone, they can go two days later and the options are missing. Regardless, the final cost was $5722 for a Precision workstation with the same configuration as a Mac Pro, except it has a Quadro video card instead of Geforce, and the previously-mentioned Fibre Channel and Bluetooth issues. I much prefer the Mac Pro's styling though. The handles are horrible for lugging the things across any distance, though. The edges aren't rounded and after a few hundred feet, hard on the hands. They weigh a lot!

[bparker]

My two cents - if you want a "real" work horse PC look at the HP xw8200 with dual xeons and 15k scsi drives (supports SATA and IDE as well) and all the ram you want as it will hold more than you want to pay for. I am running 6 gigs and thats all I need for my porn.. haha

:excited:

[BKLYNH2]

Ok I went back at it, figured out a few mistakes, but I think you might have made a few too. There are probably a few fine points that could be argued but this is as close as I could get the two. Apple still comes with better software.

[evldave]

Ok I went back at it, figured out a few mistakes, but I think you might have made a few too. There are probably a few fine points that could be argued but this is as close as I could get the two. Apple still comes with better software.

OK, my bad on configuring it wrong. There isn't enough left over after getting the Dell to also purchase the Denon stereo receiver. But, for the money, you are going to get more bang for the buck going PC - too much competition, prices will always be lower.

It's almost like the H3. There aren't a lot of aftermarket companies yet, so the prices stay high. Tack on that Hummer owners are perceived as 'loaded' with cash (trust me I'm not), and so the price will be high not because of cost but because of the perceived purchasing power of the buyers in that market. The same bumper for a Jeep might be 10, 15, or 20% cheaper than an H3 because that's what the Jeep owners will pay.

And wow, I burned a good portion of 'casual work' Friday hanging around these forums...maybe I'll go take a half day...:dancingbanana:

[NJHummerGuy]

Thats what I've been thinking about. But, only in 17 inch screen.

I couldn't get past page 2 with out having to jump in.

I have just gone to a new macbook pro. It is intel based and fantastic. I am a Unix/Windows Engineer and have been in IT for over 12 years. The MAC is a fantastic system. Run parallels on it and you can run any OS you want. I currently run, MAC OSX, Solaris 10, CentOS 4.4, CentOS 5 and XP all on one machine. It is great! Go with MAC.

[KenP]

Since you all aren't talking laptops, I'd get this one. All I do is fart around on the internet messing with people anyway.:popcorn:

I'm quite sure you can't get an Apple for this price.

BTW, the laptop I'm on was under $400 and I can fck with people just fine with it.:giggling:

[bparker]

after all its all about fukn with people :D

[bparker]

http://www.insight.com/site/product/detail/index.cfm?item_number=PP886UC%23ABA&searchLink=y&search_params=C%3DC%252DAA%26CN%3DDesktops%252FSer vers%26OS%3DY%26K%3Dxw8200%26PID%3Dxw8200%26KT%3DB %26SB%3Dphl%26PS%3D10%26P%3D1%26%26p%5Fsess%3D&NugsTracking=Results_Full_Specs

You cant get much better than this...

15k rpm scsi! :D

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[marin8703]

how about this one, for a little more the price of a toyota prius you can get this machine!:excited:

This thing would make any nerd drool like a fat boy in a candy shop!

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i317/marin8703/misc/25gcomp.jpg

[bparker]

hahahahaha yeeeeeaaaaa

Hp doesnt bull$hit! :D

Would be perfect for making/editing movies - you could start your own home adult video editing business and write it all off!!

:jump: