35's on stock rims - Q&A

[Humm3r]

I've seen quite a few of you on here with 35's. From what I'm gathering, 315/75/r16's ATs do NOT rub at full lock, but I also read that 35x12.5r18s MTs DO rub. After checking out tire dimensions (315/75/R16 MT vs. AT), it seems 35" MT's are about a 1/2" taller and wider than most AT's. I'm guessing we're limited to 35" All Terrains without modification. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Questions:

1. For those with 35's, what brands are fitting without rubbing? bbyhummer mentioned Mickey Thompsons and Pro Comp Xterrains, but I couldn't find true tire dimensions on these.
Nitto Terra Grappler AT's maybe?

2. The stock 33's kick up dirt all over the rear fender and side. Are the 315/75's 'much' worse? I'm more concerned with regular driving...off road, its something you have to expect.

3. Stock chrome rims are the same dimension, but the dealer swears they can't hold the same tire as adv. pkg wheel. Why, I don't know. Will 35's fit stock chrome wheel? 8" seems to be the minimum wheel width required for 35's, but I'm seeing 37s on stock rims http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's confusing.

4. Power - Is there a noticeable difference in power? Sticking to a lighter stock rim, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too noticeable.

5. Torsion bars - How many turns, if any, do you recommend?

Kacyk answered a lot of these questions in a past thread, but he had MT's and a heavier 18" rim. I wanted to gather info on 35's on stock rim.

Thanks

[Humm3r]

I've seen quite a few of you on here with 35's. From what I'm gathering, 315/75/r16's ATs do NOT rub at full lock, but I also read that 35x12.5r18s MTs DO rub. After checking out tire dimensions (315/75/R16 MT vs. AT), it seems 35" MT's are about a 1/2" taller and wider than most AT's. I'm guessing we're limited to 35" All Terrains without modification. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Questions:

1. For those with 35's, what brands are fitting without rubbing? bbyhummer mentioned Mickey Thompsons and Pro Comp Xterrains, but I couldn't find true tire dimensions on these.
Nitto Terra Grappler AT's maybe?

2. The stock 33's kick up dirt all over the rear fender and side. Are the 315/75's 'much' worse? I'm more concerned with regular driving...off road, its something you have to expect.

3. Stock chrome rims are the same dimension, but the dealer swears they can't hold the same tire as adv. pkg wheel. Why, I don't know. Will 35's fit stock chrome wheel? 8" seems to be the minimum wheel width required for 35's, but I'm seeing 37s on stock rims http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's confusing.

4. Power - Is there a noticeable difference in power? Sticking to a lighter stock rim, I'd imagine it wouldn't be too noticeable.

5. Torsion bars - How many turns, if any, do you recommend?

Kacyk answered a lot of these questions in a past thread, but he had MT's and a heavier 18" rim. I wanted to gather info on 35's on stock rim.

Thanks

[timgco]

I am in the process of doing the same thing. The Rancho lift is coming off on Thursay and they are putting the 35/ 12.50 Procomp Extreme AT's on the stock rims. they told me that the 35's should be fine on the 7.5" rim. The tire manufacts. suggest 8". but we'll see.

[Humm3r]

It's only a 1/2", I'm sure the tire companies are playing it safe for liability purposes when it comes to wheel recommendations.

[KCJohn]

As far as your #2 concern ... I have installed the 3M Paint protection kit for the fenders and lower body. I would HIGHLY recommend installing this on any H3. I had this product on the nose of my last car and it is great!

We had a couple of snow storms here in the last few weeks. The places that the kit protects is exactly where the snow and sand was caked on.

It took me about 2 hours to install the kit (yes I am slow but I ma careful).

I woudl have sent pictures but you would not have been able to see the installed kit in the photos.

[The Green Lantern]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I am in the process of doing the same thing. The Rancho lift is coming off on Thursay and they are putting the 35/ 12.50 Procomp Extreme AT's on the stock rims. they told me that the 35's should be fine on the 7.5" rim. The tire manufacts. suggest 8". but we'll see. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm planning to put this on my stock rims - LT35 x 12.5 R16.

[BbyHmmr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Green Lantern:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I am in the process of doing the same thing. The Rancho lift is coming off on Thursay and they are putting the 35/ 12.50 Procomp Extreme AT's on the stock rims. they told me that the 35's should be fine on the 7.5" rim. The tire manufacts. suggest 8". but we'll see. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm planning to put this on my stock rims - LT35 x 12.5 R16. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think those will fit on the stock rim. I looked at those before I bought mine.

[Sewie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BbyHmmr:
I don't think those will fit on the stock rim. I looked at those before I bought mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Already been done.

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2671031121/m/8061081051

[H3 Hummer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Already been done. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think those are 33's

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BbyHmmr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Green Lantern:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I am in the process of doing the same thing. The Rancho lift is coming off on Thursay and they are putting the 35/ 12.50 Procomp Extreme AT's on the stock rims. they told me that the 35's should be fine on the 7.5" rim. The tire manufacts. suggest 8". but we'll see. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm planning to put this on my stock rims - LT35 x 12.5 R16. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think those will fit on the stock rim. I looked at those before I bought mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't the 35 x 12.50 x 16 the same as 315 75R 16? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Humm3r]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BbyHmmr:
I don't think those will fit on the stock rim. I looked at those before I bought mine.


Already been done.

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2671031121/m/8061081051 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're 33's.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">H-Unit
Hummer Veteran
Posted 12-21-05 09:51 AM
I got lucky and the Hummer Logo was on the truck when I bought it! I bought it off their showroom floor and I haven't seen it anywhere else! The tires are basically the stock size, 33x11.5x16

Cheers!

2006 Shadow Green H3
2002 Black/Mod Red Z06 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[BbyHmmr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sewie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BbyHmmr:
I don't think those will fit on the stock rim. I looked at those before I bought mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Already been done.

http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/2671031121/m/8061081051 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm sure those are 33's

[BbyHmmr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BbyHmmr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Green Lantern:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I am in the process of doing the same thing. The Rancho lift is coming off on Thursay and they are putting the 35/ 12.50 Procomp Extreme AT's on the stock rims. they told me that the 35's should be fine on the 7.5" rim. The tire manufacts. suggest 8". but we'll see. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm planning to put this on my stock rims - LT35 x 12.5 R16. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think those will fit on the stock rim. I looked at those before I bought mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't the 35 x 12.50 x 16 the same as 315 75R 16? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
On paper they seem to be but for some reason once they are on the rim they are to wide and rub

[Humm3r]

So answer me this, how did Rough Country fit 37's on stock, but some 35's don't fit? And what brands are P metric ?

Confuses the hell out of me.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BbyHmmr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BbyHmmr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Green Lantern:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I am in the process of doing the same thing. The Rancho lift is coming off on Thursay and they are putting the 35/ 12.50 Procomp Extreme AT's on the stock rims. they told me that the 35's should be fine on the 7.5" rim. The tire manufacts. suggest 8". but we'll see. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm planning to put this on my stock rims - LT35 x 12.5 R16. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think those will fit on the stock rim. I looked at those before I bought mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't the 35 x 12.50 x 16 the same as 315 75R 16? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
On paper they seem to be but for some reason once they are on the rim they are to wide and rub </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UGGHHH http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

so the 315's will fit becasue they are metric?
I hope so, because that's what they are doing today. the Extreme AT's are the same size as your X Terrains. so they should. I guess I'll find out in the next couple of hours. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Humm3r]

so.....did they fit?

[crop000s]

And pictures??????.....

[timgco]

... still waiting. I pick it up later today/ I hope! I will post some pics too.

[The Green Lantern]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
RANCHO = SUCK! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[timgco]

YEAH! They fit. They touch the sway bar just a tad. My torsion bars are at the stock height too. So for those that are questioning if they fit, they do! I went from 35's to 37's on my SUT and had way more rubbing than this. They barely touch and that's at full lock in reverse only. I'll post some pics in a day or two if anyone still wants some.
Now all I have to do is order a new front skidplate. They cut mine to make it fit for the Rancho Sucko lift. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif So, other than that, it rides just like it did two weeks ago when I picked it up from the dealer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[StarsnBars]

timgco,,, You probably saved alot of peeps a bunch of grief posting the problems with the Rancho lift. Hats off to ya bro. Really sux you had to go thru the mess. I was thinking about getting that lift and your posts stopped me cold. Some pics of those new meats would be nice. Thanks ,, Happy Holidays

[HummerB]

timgco if they rub "a bit" that doesn't fit. sorry to sound like johnny cockrin with the ryhme. i mean i dont really like the idea of any rub on a brand new expensive tire. they look awesome but i dont want any damage. do you plan on adding wheel spacers to correct? i want to keep my wheels or atleast the size and add 35's but i would like to be comfortable with the clearance in the fender wheels.

[cherokeekid]

when you bump the tire size it's pretty tough not to touch a tad here and there, especially if you twist the suspension up. with these the fonrt doesn't flex much so you avoid alot of contact.

I would expect to trim a bit here and there. remember every manufacturers tire is going to have a differnt actual size from the one listed, wheel width/air press etc can also affect the actual size and your backspacing/width will affect contact

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerB:
timgco if they rub "a bit" that doesn't fit. sorry to sound like johnny cockrin with the ryhme. i mean i dont really like the idea of any rub on a brand new expensive tire. they look awesome but i dont want any damage. do you plan on adding wheel spacers to correct? i want to keep my wheels or atleast the size and add 35's but i would like to be comfortable with the clearance in the fender wheels. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO at your avatar. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ok,
Defenition of rubbing on my truck: It only touches on the dr sd sway bar at full lock and you cannot even feel it in the steering column/ wheel. It is so minor that it won't mess up your tire. The only reason I even mentioned it, was so that owners wanting to MT's on there with larger lugs than my tires will expect a little more rubbing on the swaybar.

the H2 I had with 35's rubbed more than the H3 with 35's. the 37's on the H2 polished the swaybar on both sides at full lock and never showed wear that it was damaging the tire. I only had about 14,000 miles of wear on them though.

[crop000s]

Cool, glad it worked out even though you had to take one for the team. If your ever down this way the beer is on me. Would love to see some pic's when you get time, maybe front, rear and side shots?

[hmrlvr]

OK tire guys you seem to know what your talking about. I'm thinking of going with a 17 or 18 inch wheel. I know the extra rubber is needed at the sidewall when airing down, but will the slightly larger wheels get f-ed up when offroad or will there still be enough rubber. Obviously, if I'm too hard on it, any wheel will be damaged but I'm just talking trailing, hill climbing, and nothing too crazy. Thanks for the input.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hmrlvr:
OK tire guys you seem to know what your talking about. I'm thinking of going with a 17 or 18 inch wheel. I know the extra rubber is needed at the sidewall when airing down, but will the slightly larger wheels get f-ed up when offroad or will there still be enough rubber. Obviously, if I'm too hard on it, any wheel will be damaged but I'm just talking trailing, hill climbing, and nothing too crazy. Thanks for the input. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'll still be fine with 17's. 18's would still be good too, but you will find the price starts to jump up there too.

[NEOCON1]

the wheels i wanted wont fit in a 16 so now thinking 17's with these http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/all_terrain_ta_kd.pdf in a 315 70 r17 they measure 34.5" overall the wheels are 17 x 9 with 4.5" bs offset is -12 how will these work thanks

[Humm3r]

Mathematically, they should work....but they'll stick out quite a bit. Let us know how it works out.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
the wheels i wanted wont fit in a 16 so now thinking 17's with these http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/all_terrain_ta_kd.pdf in a 315 70 r17 they measure 34.5" overall the wheels are 17 x 9 with 4.5" bs offset is -12 how will these work thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They will stick waaaaaaayyyyyy out! If you go look at my post inthe photos section with the lift, those were 4.5" of backspace. I hated it so bad becasue you drive through on puddle or rain/ snow and your rig is trashed! If that's the look you want, great, it looks good. But as a daily driver, I am happy they are back in!

[hmrlvr]

Neocon, which wheels were you looking at?

[NEOCON1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hmrlvr:
Neocon, which wheels were you looking at? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I really like these and wanted them in a 16 x 8 but they wont fit http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif so was thinking 17x9

[NEOCON1]

timgco , thanks for being our rancho guinne pig http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and letting us know about problems you had . not sure if i want that wide of a look but maybe with truck at stock height it will look good . the 315's should really fill up the wheel wells http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
humm3r i will post pics if i go with this setup.

[hmrlvr]

Those will look good on the green rig.

[Humm3r]

NEOCON1....

I was playing around with the numbers and this is what I'm figuring. The 17x9's should stick out about 3" farther with the 35's, than the stock rims with 33's. Even with a wider tire & rim, the interior of the 35's will be out about an inch from where the 33's sit now. Rubbing shouldn't be an issue. Looking forward to the pics.

[NEOCON1]

thanks for crunchin those #'s i think i will go for it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif should give an agressive stance http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[NEOCON1]

just went to big O on my lunch tires 315 70 17 will be there tomorrow but 2 to 3 weeks for my 17x9 chambers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif . now i have to get grill line-x'd before wheels arrive http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . i will keep you all posted as it progresses http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
just went to big O on my lunch tires 315 70 17 will be there tomorrow but 2 to 3 weeks for my 17x9 chambers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif . now i have to get grill line-x'd before wheels arrive http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . i will keep you all posted as it progresses http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what offset/ backspace did you order?

[NEOCON1]

hey timgco 17x9 with 4.5 bs they will stick out about 2 in more than stock should be ok i like the stomper look and so cal not as many puddles and stuff to splash sides. not sure how they will tuck up in wheel wells in serious flex situations ? hopefully the tires wont rip my fenders off http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif if problem with serious flex will throw the 33's back on for hardcore wheelin just until the rough country is ready for us . thanks again for all the info on your experience with the rancho kit http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bruce]

OK>>>>>> so basically I have stock suspension adventure package with the 33' tires and stock wheels. I want 35's on my stock wheels. What 35' will fit the best. without rubbing.

and just for curiosity how big can i get the tire on stock wheels without rubbing
thanks guys
Bruce