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oma 04-24-2006 02:31 PM

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Bebe in Squeeze play. It looked like she was just about on her side.

The Green Lantern 04-24-2006 02:32 PM

man, I love that shot of Neo...Pic of the Month!!!...gotta download it to my comp.

Oma is it possible to email me the full size of that pic?....thanks.

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by dochummer:
Did you guys lose gear oil at all? Or was it all contained?

no fluid leaks in either of the 3's i saw bebes front diff with the cover off at moab 4x4 ring gear did not shatter only about a quarter to a third of teeth were gone i told her to make some earings out of the busted teeth

oma 04-24-2006 02:32 PM

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WTF is this??
But I still have more pics to load!!!!!!
I'll try again later.

CO Hummer 04-24-2006 02:34 PM

Man it sounds nasty when those teeth break off. But that is nothing compared to watching Neo's rear tires rattle around when he tried to engage. I've never seen anything like that.

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Just out of curiousity, what t-case mode was the H3 in before it grenaded?

S

4-low, I'm sure. Who would that obstacle in anything else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

low and rear lockers on

CslRkH2 04-24-2006 02:37 PM

Front Locker

oma 04-24-2006 02:41 PM

I can send you the full sized picture. Send me your email and I'll get it to you.

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 02:42 PM

with a front locker we may of craweled right up ? or may have busted worse i have heard the front is too weak for a locker . CslRK what a great trip and great meeting you bro

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 02:44 PM

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What did you all do, pull the shafts and drive off the trail in 2WD?
just put in neutral with engines running so we had power steering and brakes the tow out was as gnarly as the rest of the trail it was a seven hour tow over some serious sh1t

PARAGON 04-24-2006 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
no fluid leaks in either of the 3's i saw bebes front diff with the cover off at moab 4x4 ring gear did not shatter only about a quarter to a third of teeth were gone i told her to make some earings out of the busted teeth
What did you all do, pull the shafts and drive off the trail in 2WD? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What would be easier? Pulling the ring and chunk or pulling the front shaft and both half shafts? Wouldn't you want to pull the half shafts so the front wheels wouldn't spin the diff up front?

DDWH 04-24-2006 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by oma:
Neo right after Hell's Gate. I love this shot!

That would make a nice poster!

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 02:58 PM

i was getting no power front or rear and in park was showing 5 mph on speedo maybe also thru the chain in the t-case . would that make speedo read weird when not moving ? and park wont hold truck either just rolls weither park or not . any ideas on this ?

CO Hummer 04-24-2006 03:10 PM

What was funny on the GS carnage day was that the tie rod breakages were sort of a side item. We were so busy towing/winching vehicles over obstacles that there was plenty of time to have Adam repair tierods off to the side. By the time we'd get the last dead vehicle over the obstacle, Adam would have a tierod in place and the H2 ready to go.

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 03:21 PM

hey fox not sure if tcase or shafts or diffs yet should hear from salt lake today and have more info tonight they are tearing it down now at the dealer .

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by oma:
Neo right after Hell's Gate. I love this shot!

boy oma this is a awsome pic thanks for getting it up

NEOCON1 04-24-2006 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by sfox:
The shuddering you were talking about earlier USUALLY indicates a t-case is gone...did anyone notice if the driveshafts would still spin?

S

pretty sure some said front shaft still spinning but nothing to the wheels .

CO Hummer 04-24-2006 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by sfox:
..did anyone notice if the driveshafts would still spin?


Yep, they were spinning. The front wheels did nothing and the back wheels didn't rotate, but shook violently.

Kiraco 04-24-2006 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by ShaggyX:
There is some stabilitrack (or something like that) junk on the H3 that is suppose to reduce wheel spin or something I think. The light was still on while in 4lo...so I would imagine that meant it was still engaged. It might have over applied the brakes to regulate the wheel spin and caused excessive resistance. Dont know...talking out of my ass like usual.

Was it an actual light or just the display read out???

PARAGON 04-24-2006 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by sfox:
Both diffs blew? Or the front diff and a rear axleshaft?

S
maybe not if he had the rear locked up.

I've snapped an axle before and there is no shaking or jerking once it's snapped.

Maybe it blew a spider in the rear diff.

PARAGON 04-24-2006 03:56 PM

THEORY:

assuming it's not the t-case because it sounds like alan is saying power was going front and back.

while on the obstacle the front could have spun the teeth like Bebe did and then all of the torque is now applied to the rear, since the front is free-wheeling. In an instant it could have blown the rear as all of that pressure transfer totally to the rear wheels with it still trying to make the climb.

MarineHawk 04-24-2006 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by CO Hummer:
What was funny on the GS carnage day was that the tie rod breakages were sort of a side item. We were so busy towing/winching vehicles over obstacles that there was plenty of time to have Adam repair tierods off to the side. By the time we'd get the last dead vehicle over the obstacle, Adam would have a tierod in place and the H2 ready to go.

Were these all stock tie rods? If so, sounds like the Fabtech solution should be mandatory prior to entering Moab.

ShaggyX 04-24-2006 04:13 PM

Seth...From what I could tell Neo had 0 power to any wheels after the breakage occured. There was a loud pop and shaking of at least 3 of his wheels and then nothing. The rear driveshaft definately kept spinning, but I never checked the front personally.

Marine...All stock tie rods, but I think they were flukes. There was another contributing factor in their somewhere. Think maybe an overly soft suspension caused too much wheel hop.

PARAGON 04-24-2006 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by sfox:
Power would have been transfered to the front when the front blew....but only if they were in 4hi not 4lo locked...no power transfer would have occurred. The weight of the vehicle would have been mostly on the rear to begin with.....were you under your own power to get off of the obstacle or did ya'll simply strap forward as soon as the breakage occurred?

S
I'm not sure I follow what you are saying. If you are in 4lo there is a 50/50 split at the t-case. If you drop one of the driveshafts ALL of the power is then being applied to the other end. You are in essence droping a driveshaft in this case therefore all of the engine torque would be applied to the functioning output shaft.

PARAGON 04-24-2006 04:19 PM

So, it sounds like it spun the teeth on the rear as well.

Anyone know what the front/rear ring/pinion is for the H3?

GeneseeMtn 04-24-2006 04:22 PM

For broken drive line in either the front or rear, you can remove the drive shaft and plug the holes in the transfer case and differential (a wad of duct tape works, or you can get some machined out of plastic, rubber, etc), and drive in either high or low LOCK.

The same trick works with half-shafts on the H1 by removing it & plugging the heared hub & differential output and driving in LOCK.


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