From the explanation of how it occured and the picture of the one ring gear I saw, I would say no. The trucks were apparently not moving, no spinning tires, so the tires were just "there" exerting no force. The only "extra" they probably added to that situation was a little more contact patch and the associated traction, but that could occur with any tire.

I'm guessing that this shows that the I-5 isn't all that weak after all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Trucks werent moving...but the tires were spinning (on Neo's at least...didnt get a good view of Bebe).

I got a good look at her lol

Hey, I thought this thread was about pics?

side note, I think Neo and Bebe both have adjusted their torsion bars...would that have contributed in any way to the carnage??? just askin.

They should have designed weaker CV's then, that way the CV would break and protect everything upstream of it. I wonder of there is a market for weaker half shafts?

If the wheels were spinning it makes more sense, one (or both) most probably suddenly got traction and the sudden shock to the ring just stripped a few teeth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yeppers

bebe has done the t-bar adjustment , i have NOT my truck sets the same as when it left the factory just 35's on stock wheels for me . 35's and t-bar crank on bebe's with stock wheels . only differince in tires is i have Toyos and she has BFG's


still in moab drinkin beers

[/quote]They should have designed weaker CV's then, that way the CV would break and protect everything upstream of it. I wonder of there is a market for weaker half shafts?

If the wheels were spinning it makes more sense, one (or both) most probably suddenly got traction and the sudden shock to the ring just stripped a few teeth.[/quote]yeppers[/quote]

i think you nailed it we got hook up and sh1t busted , pretty simple

still in moab drinkin beers

YOU DA MAN

I don't think any of the winches overheated. I thought my thermometric one did for moment, but the controller had just slipped out of place. Alec's winch acted up randomly and would stop working. But I don't think it was due to overheating. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

10-4

YOU DA MAN </div></BLOCKQUOTE>and margaritas!

Looks like there might be another reason for tierod problems....

It looks like the is after Golden Spike, what happened? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>this is going 5mph in the sand on saturday, and the tie rod came out! I'm happy to report no damage to the car, and we were NOT on the highway at the time. I was able to put it back in and limp back to town, but it's not driveable until a new centerlink and tie rods get here. I'm SOoooooo happy I was waiting in Moab for an alignment, or I'd have been on the Highway driving home when that happened.

My car has been in for alignment and driverside issues before, now I think I know what was causing those problems.

The shocks are still going bye-bye.

It looks like the is after Golden Spike, what happened? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>this is going 5mph in the sand on saturday, and the tie rod came out! I'm happy to report no damage to the car, and we were NOT on the highway at the time. I was able to put it back in and limp back to town, but it's not driveable until a new centerlink and tie rods get here. I'm SOoooooo happy I was waiting in Moab for an alignment, or I'd have been on the Highway driving home when that happened.

My car has been in for alignment and driverside issues before, now I think I know what was causing those problems.

The shocks are still going bye-bye. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That sucks Rox. I'm glad you found it there though an no extra damage was done!

...too bad on the shocks too. SUCK! Rancho 9000's time? Do the steering stabilizer at the same time.

The end of the centerlink where the threads are looks angled upward. Phil, Ken and I have been going back and forth about how much the centerlink might be contributing to failures. The centerlink is made to give or flex and that flex might be a little too much allowing for the tires to move too much.

Ever since, it's always been stated that if you wheel a IFS GM truck, that you will have to get an alignment done afterwards. Most of this is simply due to it being IFS but something has to move/give for it to come out of alignment and many times the mis-alignment is toe.

With the centerlink flexing so much it also is prematurely wearing out the pitman and idler arms where they attach to the centerlink, IMO.

Kind of off topic but your post reminded me of this. I recall someone mentioning 6 months or so ago about a national tire chain that offers a lifetime alignment. Whenever you think it might need it you just go back and they do it for free. Anyone remember this or is it all in my imagination?

Look at the shiny new sway bar connecting rod!

Kind of off topic but your post reminded me of this. I recall someone mentioning 6 months or so ago about a national tire chain that offers a lifetime alignment. Whenever you think it might need it you just go back and they do it for free. Anyone remember this or is it all in my imagination? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I said it, and H3s will work, but H2s with 37" tires won't.

Firestone service centers. A little over $100 for a lifetime alignment.

How much, if any, do you think the Cognitos remedy this?

I said it first

$129 when I got mine from Firestone, but stopped been any use when I got 37's. I understand some Firestone centers can do 37's, and I'm pretty sure other tire stores offer similar lifetime alignments. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I pd like $110 for mine. Used it 4 or 5 times so far...there's only one firestone across town...but definately handy...

I said it first

$129 when I got mine from Firestone, but stopped been any use when I got 37's. I understand some Firestone centers can do 37's, and I'm pretty sure other tire stores offer similar lifetime alignments. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I probably knew about it because you said it........

but I still said it.

Very cool thanks. I have a Firestone service center about 5 minutes from my house

I said it first

$129 when I got mine from Firestone, but stopped been any use when I got 37's. I understand some Firestone centers can do 37's, and I'm pretty sure other tire stores offer similar lifetime alignments. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I probably knew about it because you said it........

but I still said it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hell, thanks everyone that may have said it, thought about it or knew about it

I've been crawling around under my truck (trying to keep my hands out of any unsuspecting slots) and I am really thinking that Cognito is on to something.

In that picture of CP on Metal Masher where the front tires are trying to meet up with each other in front of the truck, there is obviously something giving. We know it can't be just because the front end was drooping some because we do it all of the time without that kind of toe-in. So, assuming it was the centerlink because the centerlink is a tube of springy steel, it would have been bent upwards and toward the rear of the vehicle. This also creates rotation in the centerlink. The Cognitos braces against this rotation. While it preserves the pitman and idler arms, I am betting that it also reduces the amount of flexion experienced by the centerlink in situations such as the pictures shows.

I am thinking that the Fabtech tie-rods along with the Cognito kit is the best option for stabilizing the steering on our trucks and will reduce the chances of breaking.

Secondly and this is much more far-fetched a thought, I am wondering if this could possibly contribute to the failure of the CVs. A lot of stress is created on driveline equipment when the CVs cause the driveline to represent a U-shape (which would be the case if both front tires are pointing inward). If power is transferred to both tires and the tires are trying to point at each other, it seems that this creates a lot of bind on the front driveline.

Interesting P, still thinking about it and picturing it() but very interesting.

Alec- was that on Hell's prior to Escalator?

(**fingerscrossedpleasesayIdidn'tdoit** )

Those tires will not move on any rock. I believe that was the problem in Tellico when I pinned it slightly up on a bolder around a tight turn prior to a ledge (resulting in the bent knuckle/tie-rod end) and the slickrock in Moab. Not only do the knobs stick to wherever they are originally placed but they are wider than the body of the truck. So if I am squeezing through and obstacle they will toe in and but the body stays stationary, i.e.- that pic from Metal Masher.

Could we have aired down too much? Are the tires too knobby? Are they too wide? Any thoughts?

Ken and I have talked about trying some Super Swampers.

Roger that guys.



So does that mean I prolly did Escalator in 2WD?

(**pleasesayyesbecausethatwouldmakemeadrivingmah-sheeeeen**)