<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Seriously, have you ever actually wheeled??? A couple of degrees of approach and departure angle?? People spend THOUSANDS on lifts, tires, bumpers, etc to get a couple of extra degrees of breakover, approach and departure angle. It's really hard to take you seriously when you make such idiotic statements and don't even know enough about H2's to know that they have four tow loops. S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow...touchy aren't we. Must be that "tow loop" business. I don't know if 20 years of trail driving in 4x4s qualifies as "wheeling". I've never been to Moab or the other "wheeling" amusement parks. I tend to use my 4x4s to get to places in the boonies, not as an end in itself. I've never spent "thousands" to gain an inch of clearance but I have winched out some of those guys and loaned them tools to pull a busted axle shaft. I just like to have fun getting where I'm going, and have reasonable expectation that my rig can get there...and back.

I'm sorry I dissed your four tow loops, it was unintentional.

First off, I love the H3 enough to seriously consider adding one to the family.

But if you haven't banged the hell out of you undercarrieage you haven't really been running hard trails.

Every H2, except PhilD's, hit the front and rear bumpers on rocks at one point or another during this trip. There was simply no way around it on many trails. The H3 wouldn't have the height to get up on some of these ledges.

Now put a lift and some 35's on the H3 and your talking about one hell of a truck.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
First off, I love the H3 enough to seriously consider adding one to the family.

But if you haven't banged the hell out of you undercarrieage you haven't really been running hard trails.

Every H2, except PhilD's, hit the front and rear bumpers on rocks at one point or another during this trip. There was simply no way around it on many trails. The H3 wouldn't have the height to get up on some of these ledges.

Now put a lift and some 35's on the H3 and your talking about one hell of a truck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhm, Boo. The H2 is way more comfy than the H3. Put a lift, some 37's and a front locker on an H2....Boo Yaah!

It depends on what you want, both are cool and serve thier purpose.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
I have made a choice to get an H3 and to sell my SUT. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

R U Serious?

I agree - both serve their purpose. Before the H3 came out, I'm sure H1 and H2 owners had similar discussions. And I'm sure H1 owners felt they had the superior rig when the H2 initially hit the market. Fact is, the entire Hummer line is great. A debate surrounding the merits of an H1, H2 or H3 is simply a great testament to how strongly we all feel about our ride. All I know is I'm damn proud to be an owner. Yeeaah!!

I don't care about your approach angle or departure angle on the H1, H2 or my H3. I have driven my Wrangler on many mountain pass roads in Colorado and spent plenty of time in Moab (my parents on a large farm just south of Montecillo, Utah). I have been everywhere the Hummers have gone. Most all abilities are directly related to experiance and knowing the capabilities of the vehicle. I have even had a relative bring a stock Geo Tracker that I was able to take some places the H2's could not go due to their driver's ability. I have seen H1's stuck so bad it took 3 vehicles with tow straps and winches used for tieoffs to get them out and have seen a pickup go through the same mud hole and not get stuck. Personally I have only been stuck one time I could not get myself out and that was over the headlights in mud with a '83 F150 4x4.

All this talk about which is better is bull. It all depends on preference and personal needs.

I used to race a 500cc enduro for Team Honda in my younger days and even did the Baja race 3yrs in a row, believe me, every vehicle breaks. The Hummer's are no exception.

Heck I just sold a 2000 Expedition that more capabilities than most H2's due to lack of driver ability. (Factory off-road package with 35" tires, no lift)

[quote]Originally posted by Aubs:
All I ever really wanted the H2 for was the off-road ability and reliability. QUOTE]

Not sure how many folks here have owned both but I have. If rock crawling is all you want, then go with the H2. Also, if that is really your purpose then why lease one? You can buy a good used 2004 for $40K all day long with about 20K miles. Then take it wheeling and beat the crap out of it and don't worry about any lease return issues.

However, if you want a daily driver and you live in an area where you frequent the the city, get the H3.

To think we could have avoided all this nastiness if I'd just known about that fourth H2 "tow loop". I still don't know where I "dismissed" the H2...I just said the H3 was IMO more useable/practical for real world 4x4 use. $20K+ left in the wallet seems pretty damned practical to me. Excuse me while I quietly slink down some sissy "dirt trail".

My issue now is different having driven the H3. I know that I will never get my H2 out West. I'd have to sell everything I own to afford the gas. So at best, an H3 is the only thing I'd take out. So for the tight trails in the East, maybe the H3 is the better choice. If I was out West, an H2 would probably better suit.

Also, I'm leasing just to be able to drive such a fine car. I can't afford to up and buy it. With our H3 though, we're leasing, and then going to buy it out. It's kinda my way of financing it out. And I know it's not the best, so no criticisms please.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aubs:
My issue now is different having driven the H3. I know that I will never get my H2 out West. I'd have to sell everything I own to afford the gas. So at best, an H3 is the only thing I'd take out. So for the tight trails in the East, maybe the H3 is the better choice. If I was out West, an H2 would probably better suit.

Also, I'm leasing just to be able to drive such a fine car. I can't afford to up and buy it. With our H3 though, we're leasing, and then going to buy it out. It's kinda my way of financing it out. And I know it's not the best, so no criticisms please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The trails out West aren't any wider!

As for the lease and than buy, whatever works for you is best!

Okay, I test drove a LR3 (V8) today at Jaguar of Seattle. Freaking NICE! You can't even compare it to my Disco II. If someone told me it was a Range Rover I would have believed. It's a wonderful rig (way better inside that outside). But no amount of perceived sophistication can erase those memories of leaving my Disco at the dealer, week after week after week....

This Thread reminds me of some other forums i
belong too.. AK47 vers AR15 or Mustang vers Camaro. My personal choice is own a few of each Rifle, Mustangs are the Top Pony Cars.
And the H3 Rules in its class.......

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aubs:
My issue now is different having driven the H3. I know that I will never get my H2 out West. I'd have to sell everything I own to afford the gas. So at best, an H3 is the only thing I'd take out. So for the tight trails in the East, maybe the H3 is the better choice. If I was out West, an H2 would probably better suit.

Also, I'm leasing just to be able to drive such a fine car. I can't afford to up and buy it. With our H3 though, we're leasing, and then going to buy it out. It's kinda my way of financing it out. And I know it's not the best, so no criticisms please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>We live in VA and just got back from Moab. It was a blast.

"Tight trails in the east"? Want to join us at Paragon next month? Just PM me to let me know.