Just to put that in perspective for you ATX...

In its first "corporate citizenship report," issued at the company's annual shareholders' meeting in Atlanta, Ford Motor said "...SUVs contribute more than cars to global warming, emit more smog-causing pollution and endanger other motorists..." But concluded that they will "...keep building them because they are so profitable."

Now, I agree with the previous poster that it's important to give credit where credit is due -- and in the case of Ford, they did go ahead and improve safety and emissions standards of SUV's on their own after making this surprising admission.

However, the other American auto makers building oversized SUV's have neither admitted to the problems posed by SUV's or taken their own steps to correct them.

A million dollar donation to the Red Cross is a very nice gesture. But I question the sincerity of auto makers who continue to build cars that increase our dependence on foreign oil by millions of barrels per day when they know they can do better.

-Jason

Socialist. Heil Jason!

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Jason do you realize how many recalls Ford has had for faulty tires? Apparently you are way to quick to give Ford credit. Daimler Chrysler and Ford are amoung the worst for vehicle safety recalls.

"Honesty is the best policy...unless you are really good at lying."

"Jason do you realize how many recalls Ford has had for faulty tires? Apparently you are way to quick to give Ford credit. Daimler Chrysler and Ford are amoung the worst for vehicle safety recalls."

Did they ever accept guilt for that or are they still pointing to Firestone? Regardless, my point is they are the only ones that both recognized problems and made improvements to their SUV emissions and safety (by lowering the bumper so if they hit a small car, they won't do as much damage).

-Jason

That is all well and fine Jason but as long as there is a market for large SUV's and their numbers continue to soar because of it's uniqueness, you will not see this trend stop anytime soon.

"Honesty is the best policy...unless you are really good at lying."

Just remember...the reason that anything is ever built is because there is a market for it. Hey I would love to buy an SUV that gets 30-40mpg, but until automakers start doing it with a technology we know they have, I will continue to buy what is offered. As a business owner, would you produce a venture where the cost outweighed the profit? I don't think so. Jason I respect your viewpoint...I really do. But one person will not change the viewpoint of many intellectually capable individuals. We all have our reasons for doing the things we do because we are all individuals with our own set of values and beliefs. On the contrary I kind of like having you on this sight for your well thought-out viewpoints but lets get real...You are doing nothing more than wasting your own time.

"Honesty is the best policy...unless you are really good at lying."

Jason, I hope you have a long beard, sandals made of straw, a loin cloth made from mother earth and a wooden staff other wise you are just as guilty as those you claim are contributing to the distruction of the environment. Are you a hypocrite? unless your GOD go away!

AMEN Sandra!

Sandra: "Originally posted by Sandra:
Jason, I hope you have a long beard, sandals made of straw, a loin cloth made from mother earth and a wooden staff other wise you are just as guilty as those you claim are contributing to the distruction of the environment. Are you a hypocrite? unless your GOD go away!"

Maybe you're just tuning in, but I think those who have actually read my posts realize that unlike you -- who claim that I'm a hypocrite if I use an ounce of oil -- I have never taken an absolutist position and argued that people should give up anything in their lives that consumes energy.

-Jason

Again, you're a GUEST of this forum and you're pushing an AGENDA that does not respect the choice of its members. You are here to "badger" or convert other guests and members to your method of thinking. You even state this much in your Profile.





[This message was edited by SJ on February 27, 2003 at 12:00 PM.]

SJ: "Again, you're a GUEST of this forum and you're pushing an AGENDA that does not respect the choice of its members. You are here to "badger" or convert other guests and members to your method of thinking. You even state this much in your Profile."

With regard to respecting other members, I've explicitly written several times that I do respect the decision of people who come to different conclusions, as long as they at least listen to the arguments with an open mind. I don't think that's too much to ask.

With regard to badgering, I already provided several arguments in defense to your accusation in another thread, which I see are still unanswered. So without trying to put too fine a point on it, either kindly reply or I stand by my words. With regard to the profile, I already said it was intended as joke, like my screen name. But when people started complaining, I apologized and changed it long ago.

-Jason

Jason:

If I respond to every point, then I'm repeating the encompassing thoughts I've already conveyed in 3 different threads.

This will be my last post to you, as I feel that we agree on some levels, but not the items that keep volleying back and forth. So, on the remaining details, I "agree to disagree with you."

I've read your concerns and accept them for what they're worth. Likewise, I've written my position in what I feel is a reasonably exhaustive nature.

Bull****! Get lost. Go be a human shield.

What you really need is an attitude adjustment!